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654:". Almost all aricles on Knowledge use term dialect, not "dialect groups". I was able to find onlh a few articles about dialects in Slovenian that use term "dialect groups", but in that case it is direct translation of term "narečna skupina" instead of "govor" (dialect). In Polish, its dialects are refered to as "dialekty" not "grupy dialektowe/grupy dialektów" etc. I also doubt English sources use "dialect groups" instead of "dialects". As such, we should stick to what sources use, not what you think is "the most accurate term in accordance to your reaserch". Same with subdialects. Listen, I'm not here to argue if Polish linguistist got the categoristion of dialects right or wrong, becouse I'm not a Polish linguist. But I'm here to argue what's a proper translation in accordance to dictionary and current sources. If one day, majority of sources come to conclusions that "dialect groups" (grupy dialektowe) is a better term, and start using them, we will change names of articles on Knowledge too. But for now, I'm still standing behind what I wrote above. 741:, which was recently added to the encyclopedia. I replied to the editor who added it, explaining the problem with the many promotional external links in the article, but I can't understand the references so I can't tell which facts are supported by independent published sources. It seems to me that the article needs to be trimmed of some promotional material in order to meet Knowledge standards; can someone from this project (who maybe knows what iconography is) please take a look at it? Thanks! — 266: 834: 146: 195: 177: 121: 205: 58: 21: 862:! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 793: 585:". I personally think we should stick to already existing standars of translation, even if you personally find those terms not as descipitive as you would like. As such, I would petition of reverting "dialect groups" back to "dialects" (dialekty) and "dialects" to "subdialects" (gwary), and using plural names where Polish bibliography uses those. Sincerely, 673:
necessarily apply. I'm trying to explain this to you as someone deep within the Polish linguistic community, and I'm reporting to you what I've seen after having talked with Poles within the community as well. I'm not trying to be "smarter-than-you", just relate what I see as someone involved in the community.
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Hi. I'm not accusing you of acting "smarter than others" or anything. I'm just explaining why I disagree with your opinion and your idea. As I said, writing Knowledge is about what sources say, not what you think sources should say instead. Also "I talked to bunch of people and they agreed" is not a
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A redirect is not indicative that a term is "made-up". The term "dialect group" may instead be explained within it, or seen otherwise. Within Polish linguistics, classifying them as sub-dialects/dialects as opposed to dialects/dialect groups does not make sense. Your literal translations also do not
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Hi, first of all let be begin by thanking you for your contributions to the topic. However, if I may, I have reservations about how you are naming the articles. Specificly the fact that you translate word "dialekt" as "dialect groups" which on its own seems to be very much made up term, not used to
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I understand. I still completely disagree - while I may have just "talked to a bunch of people" (current scholars in the field, I'll add) you have not. Googling "dialect group" brings up plenty of results, as well, it's not completely unjustified. I am beyond a shadow of a doubt that the current
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categorise any other dialects of other languages. Subsequently, you are also naming "gwara", which should translate as "subdialect", as "dialects" instead. I also notices that when the Polish article is in plural, like "gwary chełmińsko-dobrzyńskie", you translate them as singular, in this case "
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Currently it seems many of our articles are based on Nitsch's original classification. I propose we use the classification at dialektologia.uw.edu.pl as it's a combination of most modern analyses. We can probably mention these old
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Also, as to the plural-singular distinction - this is because within Chełmno-Dobrzyń you can have a dialect particular to a singular village. Within the material cited, it's translated as gwara, not gwary.
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proper justification to move tone of articles to new names. And no, article about dialects does not explain what "dialect group" is, or even really mentions it. Just so you know. Sincerely,
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as opposed to separate articles, making the separate articles redirects. This would allow us to mention these isoglosses at individual dialect articles while pointing to the main article.
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is a group of dialects which have a few common features, namely whether they have final voicing between words and
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I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow,
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I propose we include explanations of major isoglosses and sound changes such as
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This standard does not make sense for Polish at all -
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if you are addressing a new issue. Thanks in advance.
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