601:. If Sweden split up there would be a king of Södermanland, a king of Närke and so forth, but not more than one Swedish king, which makes succession boxes quite easy. In Denmark on the other hand there were several Danish kings anytime Denmark split up in Funen, Zealand and Skåne. This means that after Hrólfr Kraki we have to divide the Danish kings into the one that ruled Zealand and the one who ruled Skåne. Since Saxo has one version of how Denmark split up, and Icelandic sources have a different version with other names, it easily becomes a succession box mess.--
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Thanks for considering it. I understand that it could turn into a mess. I do see that in other topics, some people have many succession boxes attached to them, showing all the different titles they held, and how those titles were inherited. I guess it would be possible to do the same here, especially
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Also, the titles of the link boxes differs between "Saxo's kings of
Denmark" and "Legendary Danish kings". I think each linked list should show one official source, with the title of the box referring to the source. That way, it would all be consistent. (This is also how it seems to be done with all
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I'll admit right out that I'm no historian, linguist or expert of any sort, but it seems to me that linguistic parallels could very well be drawn between Idunn, the goddess with the garden of apples of life, and Eden, the garden with tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It just doesn't seem far
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Now, I understand that there are different sources with different opinions and all that, but I think a particular linked list should match exactly one and only one listed sequence. If different sources disagree, I think that should be reflected by splitting the box in two, e.g. the box in
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Well, I gave this some consideration when I made the succession boxes, but I was too lazy at the time to work out a solution such as yours. It sounds like a good idea, and since I have the source material necessary to fix it, I guess I'll do it later
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The reason "featured articles in wikipedia are dominated by military history" is that the project applies their tags to articles which have little to do with military history, and which the project did nothing to create or improve.
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I have been maintaining this portal for a few weeks now, trying to get it up and running. I've put in a few hours, but it has a long, long way to go. I am also currently trying to drum up interest in an
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Swedish king, since the office was by definition tied to
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