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Not sure if this is the right place for this discussion, but... league tables. Points on the right is the standard accepted throughout the world; so why oh why are there so many with points to the left (mostly in articles about competitions with group stages;
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Project. Failing that, a discussion about the decision would be a good goal - it's been raised on a couple of the individual articles, but I feel it should be brought to the attention of the Project as a whole.
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I'm going to manually redirect all of the 2006 FIFA World Cup (gosh, that feels weird, calling it what it's supposed to be) qualification articles, for sheer sake of having the conventions uniform in the most recent cup. —
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Good! I think, in the future, we need to split up this page in subpages, but this is fine for now! Hope everyone else follows and makes contributions to the styles, or gives suggestions on the corresponding talk pages. --
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It seems it's the same issue for the argentinian league, even if it would be better to make an article for every clausura/apertura tournement rather than a whole season, which is not that representative, is it ?
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Perfect. I quite support your final suggestions. Now you'd better to ask for move these articles directly in the associated page talks, and of course making a reference to this discussion. Let's start from
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its not an article, why does it have to be neat. If you are looking to use this place as an encyclopedia, you have inadevertantly stumbled upon wikipedias inner workings, where neatness is a low priority.
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