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second belt alongside the WBA (namely WBC, IBF, WBO). However, I 'think' they changed it to where even if you defend your Regular belt 5 times, you can be promoted to Super. As for Unified and Undisputed, they usually award those when they end up having 2 regular champs. Meaning they can't award Super to someone (since they don't have a second belt) so they slap the Undisputed label so another guy can carry the Regular belt. This was the case with Juan Carlos Payano (and his successor Raushee Warren) and Jamie McDonell, the former (Payano/Warren) had the IBO belt so they made him WBA Undisputed, and McDonnell stayed Regular just so they could have two champions rather than two Regular champions or award Super to someone who hadn't won a WBC/WBO/IBF. As for why certain fighters are called Unified or Undisputed despite holding a WBC/WBO/IBF belt instead of "Super", that is anybody's guess. Even the WBA won't be able to tell you, because there's no logic to it.
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necessarily be meaningful for notability. The IBO titles don't have the same status as WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO titles but have reached a stage now where an IBO world champion is going to be notable enough for inclusion. There was a seamless transition in terms of titles in the UK between the NSC from 1909 to the BBBofC in 1929, so certainly from 1909 onwards the NSC English titles (equivalent to BBBofC British titles) should have the same status. Prior to 1909 I'm not sure - weights were not standardised, and my impression is that people were 'declared' champions at various poundages, sometimes with disputes over who was champion, and in some cases may not have really had the same status that champions had once recognised weights were brought in, but obviously boxing was massively popular before 1909 and there were many boxers from that early era who should be considered notable, so we should be open to defining some criteria. --
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much anymore, Pacquiao himself is considered as the lineal welterweight title by CBZ which is where Knowledge's own list is partly sourced from. Which is problematic after Horn's controversial win. Perhaps it would be better to tweak the wording to " has won x world titles from major organizations" or something of the sort. Of course, excluding the lineal titles wouldn't be the right call either, I just think adding them all up together is too crude. Pacquiao's lead also lists that he's won 5 different lineal titles, I think that's what should be emulated.
523:- lineal champ, never held an ABC belt. He could be left as is, but make his intro more uniform to others. However we define lineal (I gave my own opinion, but whatever is decided), I would think Mayweather's and others would change. So Mayweather would be "world champion in five weight classes and was lineal champ at super featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, and light middleweight." That is based on what his article lists. Let someone go into the article to see what sanctioning bodies, what reigns, how many times, etc. 1600: 1581: 2938:
creditable accounts from Foxwoods Resort Casino are placing incorrect locations on their site and accounts? Regardless of anything they are the most credible official sites coming straight from the horses mouth your basing yours on articles I'm gathering official accounts from Foxwoods as well as articles. At this point are you saying the official account are reporting false location information? If so I will no longer discuss the situation and Ledyard will go on as the Foxwoods Casino location
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major titles is 'Super' and a champion with all four major titles is 'Undisputed'". But the case is different. It is as if they call their champions however they like. And thus it becomes even more complicated to trace the "true" lineage of the title. The "Super" has its own lineage, the "regular" has its own. But do "Unified" and "Undisputed" also have different lineages? It is truly complex to comprehend.
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most won the initial fight and had a defense - these usually created two bodies of sources to achieve the multiple source requirement GNG requirement. Those that didn't defend often fought for another secondary title (e.g., BBBofC and then Commonwealth) or had a world title shot (since many organizations favorably rank their own regional title holders).
4031:. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are 2311: 4182:. I would say it's worked OK since then, at least insofar as eliminating the hideous use of proper nouns ("Light Heavyweight") and determining when hyphens are used (US/"light heavyweight"; UK/"light-heavyweight"), but one thing with which I've never been truly happy are the varying names as it relates to sanctioning bodies. 3020:
Americans can do with their land it seems as if it is an unofficial town within the United States. They tax them for the Indian gaming laws but have no control over the name of the town they choose to have. That's why they say the Foxwoods Casino is in Mashantucket, CT because no one can legally tell them otherwise
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the article stating the surrounding area of Mashantucket not the surrounding area of Ledyard. at this point I don't know what more I can do to support my claim. I even gave a official very strongly creditable video from there website where they state Mashantucket. Now I don't know if a consensus will be reached
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After reading through the comments I have put these together one proposed changes. Any further comments or discussions feel free to add above. Please comment under each change if you oppose or support as listed below I invite all members to vote including the following people who contributed to the
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Well it is necessary since discussion here has reached a stalemate, having been here all day. I'll get on it and rescind the earlier WP:EWN report, but only if you agree to refrain from making further edits regarding the Mashantucket/Ledyard element in other articles until there's a result at WP:DRN.
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I said I'm done if you called the official sites wrong. The tribe owns the land which is within the town of Ledyard, CT and they refer to the land as Mashantucket, CT the Foxwoods Resort sits on Mashantucket Tribe owned and controlled land. any news or map source can say whatever they want, but facts
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refers to the social movements, legislation, and beliefs by which the tribes in the United States exercise self-governance and decision making on issues that affect their own people. they have chosen to name their land Mashantucket, CT according to all the official legitimate straight from the horses
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stipulates that self-published sources—which you are relying heavily upon—are not always credible, and that we should accept third-party material if something is to the contrary. In this case, if Foxwoods themselves want to downplay their location as simply Mashantucket and nothing else, that's their
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I'd prefer if this was specifically limited to the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO. Although this may apply to few fighters, there are several points of contention in all world championships lineages, especially if you go back a few decades. For instance, and although they don't seem to update their site that
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With women boxing starting really kick off over last 2 years, more titles are being fought for both in regionals and world title. WBC have been very serious about the female division and been active with their titles. The other couple of sanctioning bodies last year only started to catch up. Even in
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with their real name and champions at the lowest weights who haven't really fought in the West listed under their birth names as well. Most media publications (especially ones that focus on the region like Rappler or Asian Boxing) refer to Thai boxers by their fighting name and not their birth name,
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and in which iv heard enough from him and would like to hear from others regarding this matters instead of just him, Knowledge is a sight where if you have legitimate resources to back up your information it can be placed the President of the WBC has stated this is indeed a legit Title fight but for
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fought for the "Super title". And while the "Super-Regular" case may not be that hard to understand, here comes the "Unified title" and even "Undisputed". You know what, I am okay, provided there is strict criteria which says e.g "A champion with two major titles is 'Unified', a champion with three
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is to remove the note that states "Note that female title winners... ...will be given no presumptive notability without winning one of the above titles or meeting another criterion of WP:NBOX", just the female part. Then Again I really only noticed WBO Asia Pacific (ignore boxrec as they only added
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I must emphasise that the point of the MOS is not to diminish the existence of Mashantucket, its native sovereignty, or the various issues they've had with Ledyard and Connecticut. It is not the task of this Project to deal with politics—this is about labelling for a wikitable. Likewise if Foxwoods
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three legitimate commercials from the official Foxwoods Resort stating three live shows at the Casino Located in Mashantucket, CT at this point if people can argue with these even more credible sources then people need to study the state of CT and the Mashantucket tribe to learn Mashantucket is its
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I was editing some of the WBA lineages as they were seeming rather ambiguos to me. The WBA policy of having multiple champions at one weight class at the same time and each one of them being referred to differently is even more perplexing to normal readers. Yes, they may have a “Super champion” or
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was recently expanded significantly and a passing editor saw fit to remove its {{boxing-stub}} template, as it has surpassed the quality of a stub-class article. However, its class from this project on its talk page remains stub, and it has not been assigned any other class. As someone with little
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Inter-Continental is the 2nd-tier belt of the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO, equivalent to the WBC's Silver (although Silver does have the larger recognition due to its marketing); note that the WBC doesn't have an IC belt. The WBA's Contintental belt is equivalent to the WBO and IBF's own European belts,
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6th and 8th - I'm good with both as top-15 are eligible to fight for titles and therefore have coverage generated from potential title fights. That said, don't know how much is slipping through, but I am good with it (and since many organizations rank different fighters, boxrec top 15 is a pretty
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4th and 5th - For Australasian and NZ titles, since those are English can we do some case studies. As a start, what about John Hopoate (AUS, HW), Roberto Lerio (AUS, 126), Asher Derbyshire (NZ, 200), and Ricky Murphy (NZ, 154). I just went through boxrec and picked fighters in a cross-section of
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That's exactly what I'd like to get away from. In theory, a lead with " has held the WBC super lightweight title" works in isolation, but as soon as a differently-named title enters the picture, the need to change it to " has held the WBC and WBO light welterweight titles" becomes very cumbersome.
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OK, seriously—how many times do I have to repeat myself? I've provided plenty of sources (including from the casino themselves) stating that Ledyard can be considered acceptable for the location of Foxwoods, and you've so far had no support amongst the Project to change it to Mashantucket. This is
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I think this should be about the geographical location and the name of the recognized town it's in, rather than how it's reported, as some sources are often a bit lazy about getting these things right. Google Maps shows Mashantucket as part of Ledyard, rather than being recognized as a town in its
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every source I've provided are official links from creditable Foxwoods Resort accounts and website which all state Mashantucket, CT not Ledyard, CT. looking at a map I see them both separate from each other and even pointed out one of your sources which has Ledyard as the title and Mashantucket in
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Mentioning it in the fight article is fair, but nothing more needs added. Nothing in records table, nothing in sporting positions, etc. A one line mention in the fight article is enough. I don't even think the winner of the fight needs it mentioned in their respective article let alone anywhere
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User:JMichael22 has "heard enough" from me, yet first posted on my talk page demanding answers and posting nonsensical replies—and now arrives here doing the same, making it appear as though I've made up the definition of what a legit world title fight is. Safe to be said, he's the only one making
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Also not on board. It seems fine the way it is and falls under "if it isn't broke..." Besides, "type" can be considered type of decision such as unanimous, majority, split, majority draw, split draw, or technical decision. The only thing preventing the decision is a knockout (TKO or KO). Maybe
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That's what I've always thought, but they're in a heapload of articles now—I'm not about to go around deleting them, but I'm no hurry to add a guideline for them to the MOS either. To me many of them are completely redundant when such information is, as you've said, already linked to in the record
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if the land belonging to the Tribe is in Ledyard and it is indeed the tribes land if they choose to refer to their land as Mashantucket, CT and the resort sits on the land they own that means the Foxwoods Resort Casino is indeed in Mashantucket, CT as the government as no control over what native
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in that Asia gained more representation. Also, I did some informal test cases on some of the titles (e.g., WBO Asia Pacific) and found a lot of good sources on the champions, but not so many on the challengers. To be frank, a lot of the challengers were never heard from again. For the winners,
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to keep things minimalistic, so I don't see why more trivia such as retirements, imprisonments, inactivities or suspensions need mentioning in a cramped table, when they can be expanded upon in the article body. If a reader is left wondering why there is a substantial gap between fights, they can
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I'm not sure if this is a personal commentary for the sake of it, or you want to implement some sort of edit on Knowledge itself. I will say this, there is absolutely no consistency in logic between the WBA's various use of title prefix/suffixes. Initially, Super intended to be anyone who held a
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As far as I am concerned, the "special" titles should have only one lineage, judging by the fact they all offer the same priviliges to the respective champions (except maybe for the mandatory defence period, but I am not sure) and they only differ in name. Additionally, I believe if there are to
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2nd - If memory serves me, it was removed because is disassociated with the WBA. People mentioned capping the year to when it was affiliated with the WBA. However, due to history, can we establish the presumption considering a lot may be non-Internet sources. Between the Asian Boxing Council,
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I made an edit recently and once I was finished I saw someone had come in a changed it a bit. I'm curious to know why Wiki chooses to add a – Inbetween Super-Middleweight I feel it doesn't serve any purpose and don't understand why it's needed. If anyone could explain this edit to me I'd greatly
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for any fighters. Note that female title winners, interim title winners, and title challengers will be given no presumptive notability without winning one of the above titles or meeting another criterion of WP:NBOX. Any change to this list must be discussed and approved by way of consensus at
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to understand why the town is not necessarily the proper location. Also, what's the official USPS mailing address? That seems to be something no one has actually supplied yet, and might be useful. I have no dog in this fight, so I have no firm opinion, but I felt like an understanding of local
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field in MOS:BOXING/RECORD has long used city/town/municipality/commune as the first level after venue, not areas within them, because a wikitable does not need to be a travel brochure or geography lesson—brevity works. So in the case of Connecticut, Ledyard as a town should suffice, per the
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I'm going to make this final statement and be done with it. According to the official Twiiter Account, Facebook Page and Website along with the other links ive provided. Are you here by saying all of them which hold Mashantucket, CT as their location wrong? Are you stateing that the official
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You sound exasperated. I can assure you—you're not the only one. I won't parrot myself by linking to my Foxwoods source for a fifth time, as it should be clear by now the point I'm making. However many times you link to other sources that don't mention Ledyard, I can simply bring up Foxwoods
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Generally in favour of all of the above, with the exception of the 7th one - with so many boxers these days getting padded records by beating a string of journeymen, or have a large number of fights without fighting at a high professional level, just having a certain number of wins wouldn't
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mouth sources Twitter, Facebook, Website... Etc. Foxwoods sits on the land Named Mashantucket, CT that is where it is located the land is within Ledyard, CT but Foxwoods technically does not sit on Ledyard, CT land it sits on the tribal land within the unofficial town of Mashantucket, CT
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What if we forget about "x-time world champion" and change to "world champion in x(number) of weight classes." This way we don't worry about reigns or ABC title numbers. During Mayweather-Pacquiao, I heard references to the number of divisions they won titles in much more than how many
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The system we currently have in place gets especially irksome when a boxer, having first won (e.g.) the WBC "super lightweight" title, later unifies and wins the WBO "junior welterweight" title. I know I'm not the only who finds it silly to then have to retroactively change it to "light
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After all, perhaps it would be best if the WBA had only one champion, being referred to as, simply, "champion" which is the case with the other major organizations. Or they may create a kind of honorary title, similarly to WBO, to award boxers who have accomplished resounding success.
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International Boxing Federation Pan Pacific, Oriental and Pacific Boxing Federation, World Boxing Association Oceania, World Boxing Organization Asia Pacific, and World Boxing Organization Oriental titles its not like there is a big gap in Asia at least for relatively modern fighters.
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While not wanting to get into the political issue of the flags — being from and having fought for Northern Ireland at the Commonwealth Games, and then fighting for Ireland at the Olympic Games, should his flag not appear as the NI flag as more appropriate for his nationality?
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being an example—he only had a single reign, but importantly did win five legitimate world titles in a single sweep. Likewise, Andre Ward has only had two reigns as champion but has amassed eight world titles, something which I made a point of mentioning in his lead section.
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For multi-weight world champions that sounds OK, but for single-weight world champions I think the way Froch's lead is now worded also works well—rather than saying he was a "three-time world champion" (meaning three reigns; ambiguous), it states right off the bat that he
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weights that fought in the last 10 years (so Internet sources shouldn't be too hard to find), didn't appear to reach notability through another title (some guys later won the OPBF title, and had two or three fights (idea behind "win" requirement is fought and defended).
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1st point - As a layman on the topic of female boxing, i have to say i've never noticed a regional female boxing bout, but is that due to my ignorance, or general lack of popularity? Does it have to be notable to the general public, or to those interested in the
1123:- you are active on this talk page and I have seen you opine on various topics. Care to chime in with your yes/no and comments? I would like at least four editors agreeing, but all six would be great (or even more, just reaching out to those that seem active). 4578:
7th - no for a lot of reasons. The biggest may be that fighters of years past (and not even that long ago) and fighters from less regulated countries have a high fight count and in turn a high win count. Who wants to argue that Tommy Abobo here is notable -
5738:, when he satisfies NBOX per rule #3 and rule #2. Having held both the WBC ABCO title (indicated in the article) and the WBA Asia title (#2), and being ranked in the world's Top 10 by one of the four major bodies (#3). A few days ago, you did the same to 2248:. I provided multiple sources while he provided none and he continued to attempt to argue the facts. So with this talk page I'm going to provide every source I have that states the Foxwoods Resort Casino is located in Mashantucket, CT and Not Ledyard, CT 1904:.. buuuuut if the UK/ENG/SCO/WAL/NI thing is still a point of contention for some folk, then might as well hash it out now. We have quite a few different editors around than last time, so opinions may vary a lot. Welcome to the Project either way! 518:
Fair enough, but I think its fine to say Froch is simply a "former world super middleweight world champion." Let someone go into the article to determine belts held and reigns. While Froch is easy, need to figure out what to do with someone like
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has since held that specific title. Instead, we've only had Super and Regular champions, including after Povetkin lost his Regular title in that farce of a 'unification' against Klitschko. As we know, the WBA simply creates it again every time.
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in boxing winning by (KO, TKO, UD, TD and MD) are the methods of victory they are the same as MMA there really is no difference it's the method of victory and "Method" would be best for a box rec instead of type which really doesn't fit I feel
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7th having discussion about having boxers that dont meet the notability but could be notable under a new rule that would have a certain amount of wins that makes them notable *like a boxer that has not win a regional title but have 25 or more
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of New London County and Mashantucket is shown clearly within the boundaries of Ledyard. Just because someone says Mashantucket in a video doesnt't mean that's the location we should list. It'd be analogous to listing Midtown Manhattan for
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It would have helped if the article itself had stated the rankings and hence how he was notable. The article must make some indication of notability - it could have been speed deleted the way it stands - the Prod gives it some time to be
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it to boxrec recently and need to catch up on editing the champions in), WBC OPBF, WBA Oceania (again Boxrec needs to catch up on their edits) and WBC ABCO, which means asia pacific regions are being pro active with the regional titles. --
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decision to be made, and us two alone cannot agree on it, so what we'll do next is try to form a consensus with other editors on the Project. I will contact as many active Project members as I can, using a neutrally-worded talk message.
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have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.
2725:—that's Foxwoods themselves, no matter how many alternatives you bring up, plus all my third-party sources above. Can you find sources that state Mashantucket to be a town/city by itself, outside of Ledyard? In its current edition, the 2042:
I think it's for the best that most of them are moved to their pseudonym. I propose that the only time when we should default to the birth name is when a fighter has fought with 2 or more different names, other than their birth name.
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made (small change for clarification - instead of "Those titles not otherwise listed are considered to..." it reads "Those non-world titles not otherwise listed are considered to..." since it could be read to conflict with criterion
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Therefore, going by the sources below it is perfectly acceptable and accurate to use Ledyard, being that it is the town in which Foxwoods is situated. Furthermore, it is a fact that Mashantucket, and thereby Foxwoods, is considered
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I concur with DA per having it as Lineal (acronym), I think this should also include the Ring as "Lineal (The Ring), whether there are any other apart from those two with any acceptance to the point of inclusion remains unclear.
3552:, according to mainstream media. If going by the sources, neither location is wrong; therefore this is simply a labelling issue that needs a multi-editor consensus. Please read both viewpoints carefully, as well as the sources. 4102:
More like a small update, so that editors won't be confused and wonder when/why it started, and to encourage them to do the same at other articles they see fit. I'll try and do the same for any other changes along the way.
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I really didn't want to open a can of worms! That's a fair point on the British Licence, the best thing from it would be consistency, but that may be difficult to get considering what was said in the previous discussion.
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appreciate it. Also want to note after doing my research visiting different boxing sites and such I see no one uses the – besides BoxRec for the Inter-Continental other then that no major boxing Organizations use the –.
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For those Project members who are adept at creating fight articles, we sorely need one for this all-time massive event. There's enough content at both the Leonard and Hagler articles to form quite a substantial article.
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I was on a wikibreak so I missed this discussion, but I'd like to thank the involved editors for creating a solid list that removes so much of the guesswork and assumptions about what boxing titles confer notability.
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The yellow is definitely unnecessary, but I think it's useful for the reader to be able to see in a quick scan of the record when a boxer has been prevented from competing (Ali, Tyson). I don't like it for temporary
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belts/reigns. If we want to include lineal/Ring (til May 2012)/TBRB (from Oct. 2012), we could have "world champion in x(number) of weight classes and was considered the lineal champ in /list weight(s)/." Thoughts?
4384: 3526: 453:, are you saying we should not mention them at all if a boxer held them after 2012? Not sure if that will go down well; would need a large-scale consensus. However, I am in favour of considering the lineal title 4350:- What are we doing in regards to this on a boxers record table? I'm assuming as the time they hold the rights, we should be writing this as The Hulu Theater? Or the The Hulu Theater at Madison Square Garden? -- 5614:
If we go by a different type of succession, it was Povetkin who ended up winning the non-Super title last held by Haye, whilst Klitschko continued to hold the Super title (the same one now in the possession of
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It says "Ledyard, CT" in the title of the Two Trees link; not sure why it's different on the live page itself. It might be browser-dependent, but Ctrl+U in Firefox brings up the page source, and there it is.
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It shouldn't be based on what you "Prefer" it should be based on where the true location is I provided my sources and I'm basing I'm decision on the official Foxwoods Casino website which states the Address
4071:. The reason for this is because, within the cramped table, we already don't state the myriad other reasons a boxer may have been stripped (inactivity, sanctioning bodies being shady, etc.) Brevity is key. 3175:
the tribe doesn't answer to the town of Ledyard. The Casino is owned and controlled by the Mashantucket tribe and sits on there owned land which is 100% completely different from it residing in Ledyard, CT
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four world titles. But then, he is an easier example because he only held ABC titles. Super-accomplished boxers like Pacquiao, De La Hoya, Mayweather, and Hopkins are trickier to pin down when it comes to
5512:(who held the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO in addition to The Ring and Lineal titles in 2017 before vacating them) being referred to as "Super" by the WBA, you witness a pretty good example of sheer inadequacy. 5471:“Unified champion” but having two champions at the same time is just obsolete. They don’t even have a rigid criteria which explicitly explains when a champion can be referred to as “Super”. E.g last week 4520:
Would not want to increase top 10 to to 15 there is no point to that. I thought PABA was already included and have no opinion on IBO (not against). Sorry but can't see the importance of the New Zealand
633:-time former champion" in a bunch of leads a while ago, to emphasise the achievement of multiple titles. I can somewhat see a case for not going into detail about specific ABCs and expanding that for 3763:—I will not post a single response to you unless other editors come forward to support the change. Then, after maybe a week, it will be clear as to whether there is or is not a consensus to change it: 4497: 2137:
Since we don't include Lomachenko's WSB bouts in his record table, I don't have a problem keeping AIBA Pro out of existing records, until further developments are in terms of how they're perceived.
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Ah don't worry about letting worms out—I've been biding my time in restarting the topic myself. I probably still won't get my way completely (no flagicons at all), but to have it set in stone as to
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After nearly three years and a shitload of having to explain things to confused new editors, I propose we ditch this clunky element of MOS:BOXING and use WP's own neutral article titles—especially
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You can throw up as many as you want—none of those invalidate my sources stating Ledyard as the location, or that it is acceptable to state Mashantucket as being within Ledyard. This is simply a
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I've provided six sources stating that they are not a town—they simply own land within the town of Ledyard. They can display their location however they want, but multiple sources say otherwise.
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It's a British thing I believe. super-middleweight, light-welterweight, super-featherweight and so on. I believe on many British boxing articles, this would be the case. Not for any Americans. --
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look at it as a slot for decision type unless preempted by a TKO/KO such that the type of decision was not reached. Since you only have a type of decision or a KO/TKO, method isn't appropriate.
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remain all these different titles, at least we should maybe have a more clear criteria which correctly explains why and how a boxer can receive one of the "special" titles. Because when you see
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some reason a Knowledge editor has taken it upon himself to deem this not a legitimate Title or Title fight. so I'd like to know why is it in the realm of Knowledge not a Title or Title fight
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has a good lead too, I think. It states that Pacquiao "won eleven major world titles". Which is more concise than listing every single belt a fighter won if the list is too long and unwieldy.
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another source to show Mashantucket is separate from Ledyard if the casino was in Ledyard why wouldn't they promote it in Ledyard? why are all of these sources promoting it in Mashantucket?
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And Mashantucket is the name of the tribal land which is supported by every source. So if the casino was part of Ledyard, CT then the tribe wouldn't own the land it stands. and according to
1884: 1083:, and me on board for this change (see above - unless they want a wording change somewhere). I agree with PRehse that we need a bit more consensus to make this effective. Reaching out to 5812:, Thanks for pointing that out. I've never edited that article and it seems outdated, but I presumed the article including mention of the ABCO title should have been a deterrent. I think 2114:'s "pro debut" is happening this month. The Argentinian commission counts six fights under AIBA Pro Boxing as part of his record. BoxRec is probably not a reliable source in this case as 5367:. Note the rankings titled "Continental Ranking" under the page header "Europe Ranking". I'm sure this is something that confuses many readers as well and is best to be disambiguated. 4006: 4234:
How it would look in practice: no longer would we refer to any WBO cruiserweight champion as a "junior heavyweight" champion—screw it, gone. Likewise no more "junior lightweight" for
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1st - Just not seeing it. World titles get some coverage, but I have not seen it across the board for female regional titles. Plus, with the combo of classic female tiles, such as
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as champion. However, there is a case to say that he is actually a four-time world champion, since he won four separate titles; his IBF and WBA reigns overlapped. Another example is
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prerogative. However, there are numerous independent sources—as I've listed—which correctly acknowledge them to be in Ledyard, therefore I'm going by WP's guidelines regarding
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I'm with Mac, it's not a real title. It's a commemorative belt created just for this fight. Will never be defended. Boxrec lists legit titles, whether it be world or regional.
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knowledge of boxing or classes in general I do not know what class to reassign the page to, so could someone from this project please visit the page and change it? Thanks :)
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was introduced as the British Title belt for all classes. the NSC had exclusive rights to sanction the awarding of the British Title (lonsdale belt) up until 1929, then the
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Your two trees in sources doesn't state anything about Ledyard, but does say (you can find many ways to relax after a day of touring Mashantucket and the surrounding area).
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site (see bottom-right panel, right below Muay Thai) in case anyone suspects its a fake. Here is the list of current International and Int'l Silver champions per the site
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I think it's important to highlight if a boxer has won more than one world title, rather than just "a former world champion." That's the reason I went around tacking on "
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this source is of the Museum within Mashantucket as some have said Mashantucket isn't a official town it seems one as a official Museum for the town has been established
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3. Where does it end? Are we going to stick in an explanatory row for a four-year inactivity period? Maybe they got suspended for two years? I dread someone adding it if
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I think there needs to be a consensus on what name we use for Thai boxers, the most prominent Thai boxers are listed under their pseudonym but you see some boxers like
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Seems like we have a green light. Four editors on board and no one has said no. If after 48 hours I don't hear anything to the contrary, then I will make the update.
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3rd - There were concerns about the first decade of IBO champions. Has anyone resolved that? I think IBO may be notable enough, but would like to see that resolved.
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That was no typo. Winning these secondary non-world titles would confer the presumption of notability. For the big four world titles - fighting for would be enough.
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change, consider whether or not it is warranted that Foxwoods should be an exception from the standard format of ", " for U.S. locations, per the current edition of
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article recently and have nominated it for GA, please take a look. Feel free to make changes or even review it. Anyone can review an article for GA. Kind regards,
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I never used to bother with these until I noticed other editors including them. For world champions, the myriad list articles (whichever apply) seem appropriate:
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To clarify: if a boxer has fought for a Commonwealth Boxing Council title, do they gain automatic notability for a new article on those grounds alone? I once had
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as well as a fruitless WP:DRN discussion, there has been no consensus by the Project to change this element of the MOS. It will stay as it is, and I will revert
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All of those lists will already be linked to in the record section and the succession boxes. There is no need for them to be repeated in a "See also" section.--
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pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of
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Finally I have found a very great and supporting source which comes straight from the horses mouth here is the official video from Foxwoods Resort Casino
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I would like to point this out to the regular editors of the boxing articles so we can all be on the same page. I've noticed a lot of articles mention a
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Likewise the Gatti–Ward trilogy. Maybe such requests for new articles could go on the Project main page, but I'm not sure if anyone actually reads that.
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should be linked, so that readers who aren't versed in the sport best understand the lead. Although, I think that's already the case more often than not.
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I think it's most commonly used to quantify every separate reign, regardless of whether they unified several titles. For instance, no one would refer to
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This has probably been raised before, but do we include AIBA Pro Boxing bouts as part of a boxer's professional record? The question sprung to mind as
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If we go by the absolute purest line of succession, in that the one-and-only "WBA heavyweight title" became vacant after Haye lost, then technically
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Yeah, those lists won't necessarily be there in the record or succession boxes but I expect they'd already be linked to in the body of the article.--
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applies. BoxRec has always been a bit weird with their naming formats, such as insisting on using full names for prominent Argentine boxers like
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outcome essentially meant that flagicons (whether the issue being their inclusion at all, or the use of sovereign/national flags) should stay
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And Mashantucket sits within Ledyard, which is supported by all the sources I listed, including one published by Native Americans. What now?
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and taking into account those third-party sources. That's not to say Foxwoods are lying or deliberately placing incorrect information. I've
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no source stating they are in Ledyard can be used a creditable as they are their own tribe who are located on their own land according to
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purposes. The WBA Continental title refers to the continent of Europe and is awarded by WBA Europe. This is its page on the WBA website
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world championships", wherever a single reign included more than one title; it'll hopefully leave less room for disagreement regarding "
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the title of the article indeed says Ledyard in it but reading the article it states nothing of Ledyard and only mentions Mashantucket
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I'm working on writing up a response, and my original rationale for how I've been formatting them, but haven't had the time recently.
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title. Which doesn't exist. It should actually state "International Silver" title. Its the fourth-tier belt in the WBC's hierarchy:
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article states "The Mashantucket Pequot Indian Reservation is a land base held in trust by the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) in
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I didn't vote on 9 yet. Why are we adding that? Isn't that already covered by BBBofC and National Sporting Club (1891-1929)?
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Here's one example of my thought process for when I tried labelling some of the Super/Regular/neither/interim title lineages:
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I would like to open the floor to do the annual review on boxing notability in their regional titles or even for other stuff.
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regards NSC Titles being Notable from 1909 onwards, as this is when weight class regulations were introduced, along with the
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welterweight". Picking hairs. It is also not feasible to favour either "super lightweight" or "junior welterweight", because
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If we are going by TBRB's version of the Lineal title, at the very least it should be referred to as "Lineal (TBRB)" on the
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I think that is a fair option. On a separate note, I am putting forth a recommendation to specify WBA Continental titles as
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over time), that does not invalidate a good number of third-party sources stating otherwise. This is basic stuff covered in
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If we go by yet another type of succession (the format I've been using so far), it was Klitschko who usurped the WBA title
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has actually held fourteen of them, rather than twelve. Alternatively, one could say he has held eleven major world titles
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I'm seeing this horrible.. row thing.. creeping into record tables whenever a boxer had an extended period of inactivity:
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falls flat: "super lightweight" is used by the WBA, WBC, and BoxRec; "junior welterweight" is used by the IBF, WBO, and
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per primary and secondary sources which deem Foxwoods to be in the town, and Mashantucket as an area within the town.
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Here it is the official confirmed Twitter account of Foxwoods casino they set the location on the confirmed account
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took over, and have been the authority ever since. The lonsdale belt is still awarded to British champions today.
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I'd like some clarification over what should be included under the See also section of any given boxer's article.
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Ach, I've run into a snag already. Do we include the lineal championship as a major world title? If we do, then
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I've noticed the OC has a number of articles that's been deleted recently, but I wouldn't want to see this one
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held the WBA heavyweight title, no Super or Regular version had yet existed at heavyweight. When he lost it to
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Good to know. I think I originally started using "WBC Silver International" because of the ease of linking to "
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After looking at the boxing records table I have something I'd like to suggest for change instead of the using
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as 1909 is the point that British Boxing was properly regulated regards weight classes, and was the year the
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I don't know of you are asking us or telling us, but if you are asking you have my support - brevity is key.
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s. Or worded something like: "... has won eleven major world titles, as well as four lineal titles, and four
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That sounds the most logical to me. However, there might be something to be said for also including "has won
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won the “Super title” at the super featherweight division although there was already a “regular” champion (
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Boxrec with their own version of wikipedia they list the current world champions in the sanctioning bodies
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to be part of this discussion as they were part of the original discussion about the notability changing
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and Mashantucket choose not to publicise much, or any, connection to Ledyard (since they have not exactly
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I should add that many other boxers records list it with the Irish flag, which I don't know about either.
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and being promoted as a legitimate Title where does it say that this Belt isn't a real Title as stated by
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as an example: in the current lead he is listed as a three-time world champion, to mean that he had three
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Its headed by Mauro Betti, who's also the WBC Vice-President. A link to that website is also included in
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At present, the UK flag appears to take precedence over national flags because professionals box under a
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I think should have a more convential boxing record template on his page what does everyone else think?
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However, I vehemently disagree with the use of these lists, as they are guaranteed to become outdated:
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and provides a list of men's non-world titles that qualify for the purposes of meeting criterion #2 of
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Anyone can remove the Prod notice for any reason. Please feel free - its kinda the point behind them.
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A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at
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1. It looks ugly and intrusive—at least if the colour was grey or something instead of bright yellow.
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own right. My knowledge of American geography is insufficient for me to offer much more insight. --
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Yes, definately. I wouldn't mind, but I have a rather lengthy to do list for some boxers profiles.
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title as part of the title list as its one of the oldest commissioning body of NEw Zealand history
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themselves stating it as an address on their own website. No need to go around circles. Also, per
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be counted amongst them? It's all open to a lot of interpretation. At this time, both lineal and
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I read it. What we have is simply a labelling issue. Do you want to file the DRN notice, or me?
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Changes will be made now to the votes that were unanimously voted yes. Voting has now closed --
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labelled as WBO junior heavyweight is so lame. I'm all for this. Don't like 'junior' anywhere.
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Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've
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in articles where they are present, but not to introduce them to articles created without them.
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world titles" to convey the significance of a single reign comprising multiple championships.
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I will give votes an extra 48 hours to come in and make changes accordingly but looks good --
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And Mashantucket is a location within Ledyard, whether they want to make that clear or not.
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of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you.
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because it is in fact the "method" in which they won rather then the "type" of way they won
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Where is a source that states Mashantucket is not a town and is just something in Ledyard?
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I would like clarification on how we should handle this phrase in lead sections. Let's use
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although it could be argued Tommy Abobo deserves recognition for astounding perseverance!
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The Money Belt for the Mayweather vs. McGregor fight is being promoted by the sanctioned
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Thought you said you were done on the matter. I've laid out my sources, and pointed out
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Just noticed that Wayne McCullough is listed with a UK flag on the Naseem Hamed record.
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1. All Regional titles under citation 2 are considered notable for both Female and Male
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Here is a new source I have found regarding Foxwoods being located in Mashantucket, CT
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Absolutely agree I have stopped editing anything referring to the topic of discussion
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Taking that into account, what I'll do is rewrite some lead sections to read "has won
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I'm all in, But before we get that party started you might wanna take a look at this
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That's the name of the WBO title. If you don't like it, take it up with the WBO. --
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shows the "Unofficial" Town has its own weather forecast from The Weather Channel
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Yeah, I think listing the titles that a fighter has won would be the best option.
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only British Boxing champions from 1929 onwards are defined as notable. Only the
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1st I want to look into adding female regional titles as being part of notability
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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is relatively small so I could do this on my own but I wanted everyone's input.
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currently holds the IBO heavyweight title. It's certainly notable in my view.
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and myself, it can be considered acceptable to list the location of Foxwoods
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are the casino sits on Tribe land located on the Mashantucket, CT named land
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OK, but grammatically "Has won for a..." is a typo; that's what I meant. ;-)
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8th having a top 10 or top 15 boxer on the Boxrec rankings marked as notable
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I've disliked doing that since the beginning, and I'm sure others have too.
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Yes, please zap/eliminate/murder/destroy/etc. for all the reasons you gave.
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Based on the above sets of discussion and multitude of sources provided by
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That's as clear an acknowledgement as any that Mashantucket is in Ledyard.
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tables, succession boxes, and categories. However, I do think the ones for
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as its long history in the sport as a title his quite notable and historic
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it's says it as a GPS Address but also states Mashantucket as the address
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Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.—
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Annual Reviews on Boxing Notability especially in ways of Regional Titles
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It's already in the article about the fight. Where else do you want it?--
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government divisions in the area might be benificial to the discussion.
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The last time record table flagicons were discussed extensively was via
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now. I've kept everything neutral tone-wise, so all we can do is wait.
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I'll leave it up to you to as you feel it necessary to bring it to the
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fought for...", it all looks good to me. No complaints, and it gets my
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2. WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF are added to the female section of Citation 1
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It seems like Mashantucket, CT isn't an official town or subdivision.
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WBA Policy of having Undisputed, Super, Unified and Regular champions
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My last sources on the matter, including one by Natives themselves:
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Well, I'm not on board with it. Let's see if others are or aren't.
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One of the locations is at Foxwoods and it provides the address
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BoxRec is the only source that prefers using their birth names.
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and "List of boxing champions" are useful, and even essential.
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As discussed above, there is a desire to change criterion #2 of
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Generally agree with the rest apart from point 7, I agree with
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world championships" may have to be invoked whenever the pesky
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This is the official page of the WBC International Committee
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Sounds good. Why not? They have their own articles anyway. --
3898:"Foxwoods Resort Casino opened in the sleepy town of Ledyard" 2908:"the Mashantucket Pequot Tribe owns several lots in the area" 2244:
After multiple disputes over the location of the Casino with
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Should the location of Foxwoods Resort Casino be changed to
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3. IBO World title is add to Citation 1 in the mens section
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Official Foxwoods Resort Website Casino Contact Information
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Those titles not otherwise listed are considered to confer
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Listen very carefully they state Mashantucket not Ledyard
4591:, I think the NSC title starting in 1909 is fine to add. 2669:
Knowledge's list of towns and cities in New London County
2536:"Really." Which is exactly what your BoxRec source uses. 2157:
Knowledge has many thousands of wikilinks which point to
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Knowledge:WikiProject Boxing/Title Assessment will read:
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can essentially trace its lineage back to Haye.. or not.
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Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
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That works for me. The only thing I have to add is that
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himself look like a "clewn", as McGregor would put it.
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AfD-nominated for that. Also, barring the typo in "Has
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can't dispute this source it's as official as it gets
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won it next, and the Regular title currently held by
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6th change top 10 rankings notability rule to top 15
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Roy Jones Jr. and Location of Foxwoods Resort Casino
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are indeed listed as major world titles at WP's own
2090:), followed by his fighting name and all the rest. 839:. I maintain that boxing records shouldn't either. 5644:Fucking hell, I'm only confusing myself now.. ;-) 5626:by defeating Haye. This is currently reflected in 5420:each intended to be a competitor to the EBU belt. 5270:World~~Silver~~International~~International Silver 3955:Nonetheless, it's been a week, and after a lot of 2437:shows the address within the town of Mashantucket 818:heapload of trivia not to include in record tables 3408:Foxwoods Resort Casino Location Discussion Part 2 2472:Address on the Google Map listed as "Ledyard, CT" 1949:flags should be used would go some way to making 1879:Just trying to clarify what it should appear as. 457:from the ABCs. This would then force a change to 4207:the entirety of all professional boxing articles 3527:Definitive location of Foxwoods in record tables 855:And if no feedback in a week, I'll zap 'em all. 282:three lineal championships. Furthermore, should 4125:Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Hollywood 3995:Talk:Pat O'Keefe#Request edit on 5 January 2018 3983:Talk:Pat O'Keefe#Request edit on 5 January 2018 2342:"Two Trees Inn at Foxwoods Casino, Ledyard, CT" 2283:Trip Advisor Foxwoods Resort Casino Information 1525:as the box for how the fight was won how about 3390:I'm happy we're finally getting this resolved 2417:Mashantucket Pequot Museum and Research Center 5442:Bare Knuckle Boxing Hall of Fame Class Change 4406:3rd Adding IBO World title as a notable title 4123:In fight records, please go ahead and change 3963:'s record to how it was before this came up. 3450:Mashantucket, CT Population and Races Article 2697:25th Anniversary Video Celebrating The Casino 2118:'s APB fights are included in his record but 984:Central American Boxing Federation (FECARBOX) 936:Knowledge:WikiProject Boxing/Title Assessment 3432:10 Day Weather Forecast for Mashantucket, CT 4418:New Zealand Professional Boxing Association 2538:Museum also listed under "Connecticut : --> 2521:Google maps over the official site really? 2224:Thank you greatly appreciate the knowledge 2082:works best—real name to open the lead (per 1050:World Boxing Organization Inter-Continental 5840:'ed when it clearly satisfies notability. 5663:What is consensus on this on Knowledge? -- 3993:You are invited to join the discussion at 1691:Im on Board I think it's the better route 4343:The Hulu Theater at Madison Square Garden 4307:. Thank you for bringing this up. Having 3229:Connecticut Indian Land Claims Settlement 2062:I agree with using Thai pseudonyms where 1467:List of undefeated boxing world champions 1393:List of undefeated boxing world champions 903:They're gone now. A note will be made at 5745:Pavel is currently ranked #6 by the IBF 4931:5. Citation 3 to include boxrec rankings 2273:BoxRec Locations: Foxwoods Resort Casino 831:4. MMA records don't use them, nor does 4542:International Female Boxers Association 4462:slightly in the “other stuff” category. 4389:As discussed here on passed discussion 3759:I will post these sources and then I'm 3693:I need to post both these sources here 2973:said or implied that. It is what it is. 2721:Fourth time, from the horse's website, 2337:"Foxwoods Casino, Ledyard, Connecticut" 14: 5748:. The article was already tagged with 4133:Hard Rock Hotel and Casino (Las Vegas) 3414:The Fox Tower @ Foxwoods Resort Casino 2483:Museum listed under "Connecticut : --> 1643:true but if you really think about it 1411:List of current world boxing champions 1261:) 02:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC) Update to 1053:World Boxing Organization Asia Pacific 1019:Oriental and Pacific Boxing Federation 292:list of current world boxing champions 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5504:, whilst the WBC was in possesion of 4367:Hulu Theater at Madison Square Garden 4015:nominated for featured article review 3626:sources mentioned in the discussion. 2435:The Mashantucket Pequot Tribal Nation 2086:; same as it's done for someone like 1376:List of lineal boxing world champions 970:Australian National Boxing Federation 4480:as an authority for the Brit’s. Yet 2263:Foxwoods Resort Casino Facebook Page 25: 5117:Transnational Boxing Rankings Board 4973:6. Citation 3 to increase to top 15 4242:(he's a light welterweight; easy). 4065:Stripped (title lost on the scales) 3808:"Foxwoods Resort Casino in Ledyard" 3803:"Foxwoods Resort Casino in Ledyard" 1371:List of undisputed boxing champions 23: 5389:Also noted. The proposed format – 4209:, except for the champions lists ( 4170:Names of weight classes, revisited 3467:Lion Fight Announces Lion Fight 15 3173:Native American self-determination 3069:Native American self-determination 2316:an area within the city of Ledyard 1794:He wants it in the record tables. 1056:World Boxing Organization Oriental 1032:World Boxing Association FEDELATIN 1014:North American Boxing Organization 955:. The list exclusively includes: 24: 5879: 4665:. My change with criterion #2 of 3893:"Foxwoods in the town of Ledyard" 2347:"Foxwoods Casino, Ledyard, Conn." 2078:. I think the current format for 1230:Fixed. Thanks, missed that one. 1067:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Boxing 1004:North American Boxing Association 797:. They were briefly in place for 149:as a five-time world champion. -- 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Boxing 5758:, I don't see why an additional 5680:List of current boxing champions 5448:Bare Knuckle Boxing Hall of Fame 4581:http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/41053 3988: 3555:Before posting your messages of 1598: 1579: 1035:World Boxing Association Oceania 1023:United States Boxing Association 1009:North American Boxing Federation 29: 5772:, which it already satisfies. – 5768:nomination is necessary citing 5035:(1891-1929) added to citation 2 4474:British Boxing Board of Control 3877:geographically and politically 1517:Boxing Record (Type vs. Method) 998:International Boxing Federation 980:British Boxing Board of Control 948:Knowledge:WikiProject on Boxing 5342:WBA Continental (Europe) title 4119:Locations of Hard Rock casinos 3926:– Connecticut official website 3915:– Connecticut official website 3719:Comiconn 2018 Mashantucket, CT 2025:08:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC) 2011:00:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC) 1989:06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC) 907:to not insert them in future. 781:So far it's in the tables for 681: 13: 1: 4468:According to criterion #2 of 4113:22:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 4096:22:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC) 4081:20:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC) 3973:02:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC) 3848:23:56, 25 December 2017 (UTC) 3822:22:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 3751:22:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 3731:21:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 3714:21:10, 21 December 2017 (UTC) 3688:20:03, 19 December 2017 (UTC) 3671:19:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC) 3653:07:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC) 3636:21:37, 18 December 2017 (UTC) 3615:21:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC) 3593:20:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC) 3577:20:13, 18 December 2017 (UTC) 3519:19:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 3496:05:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 3478:04:49, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 3461:00:51, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 3444:00:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 3425:00:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC) 1963:16:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC) 1933:15:55, 4 September 2017 (UTC) 1914:15:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC) 1859:16:36, 3 September 2017 (UTC) 1844:17:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC) 1312:Universal Boxing Organization 5742:(also ranked in the Top 5). 4887:Pan Asian Boxing Association 4401:Pan Asian Boxing Association 4047:17:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC) 4025:featured article review here 3903:"Foxwoods Casino in Ledyard" 3797:"Foxwoods casino in Ledyard" 3400:20:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3375:19:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3349:19:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3324:19:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3301:19:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3276:19:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3241:19:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3212:19:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3186:19:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3156:18:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3134:18:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3108:18:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3082:18:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3052:18:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3030:18:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 3004:18:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2948:18:09, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2920:18:07, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2886:18:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2856:18:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2830:18:01, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2811:17:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2770:17:50, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2747:17:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2709:17:38, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2680:17:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2664:17:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2642:17:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2620:17:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2598:17:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2573:17:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2551:17:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2531:17:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2516:17:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2495:17:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2463:17:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2447:17:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2429:17:11, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2409:17:02, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2386:15:30, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2303:15:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2288:UFC Fight Night Mashantucket 2258:03:11, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2234:19:23, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2215:17:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC) 2200:16:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC) 2180:13:50, 3 December 2017 (UTC) 2147:23:33, 1 December 2017 (UTC) 2132:19:35, 1 December 2017 (UTC) 2100:15:42, 14 October 2017 (UTC) 2057:14:59, 14 October 2017 (UTC) 1621:Whilst MMA wins occur via a 1570: 821:scroll up to read the prose. 7: 4567:good standard). Maybe add 4178:, and put into practice at 4007:22:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC) 2318:, reservation or otherwise. 1823:21:36, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1804:20:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1786:18:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1768:15:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1749:15:22, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1734:15:02, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1701:15:13, 24 August 2017 (UTC) 1687:21:18, 19 August 2017 (UTC) 1672:20:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC) 1658:20:42, 19 August 2017 (UTC) 1639:20:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC) 1539:20:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC) 1505:21:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC) 1479:01:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC) 1452:06:22, 15 August 2017 (UTC) 1324:16:26, 20 August 2017 (UTC) 988:Commonwealth Boxing Council 917:19:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC) 898:06:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC) 879:22:38, 10 August 2017 (UTC) 865:22:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC) 10: 5884: 5628:Klitschko's succession box 5544:16:48, 28 April 2018 (UTC) 5526:22:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC) 5461:20:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC) 5430:23:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC) 5403:21:55, 24 April 2018 (UTC) 5377:18:07, 24 April 2018 (UTC) 5329:20:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC) 5299:17:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC) 5255:01:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC) 5229:07:59, 28 March 2018 (UTC) 5215:07:54, 26 March 2018 (UTC) 5200:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5182:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5155:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5139:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5109:20:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5092:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5055:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5025:20:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 5009:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4993:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4967:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4951:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4925:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4909:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4879:20:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4863:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4847:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4821:20:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4805:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4789:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4763:18:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4747:15:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4722:10:45, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4680:10:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC) 4648:15:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC) 4601:22:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC) 4531:09:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC) 4514:07:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC) 4498:23:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC) 4455:03:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC) 4379:14:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC) 4360:10:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC) 4335:11:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC) 4321:11:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC) 4298:21:23, 11 March 2018 (UTC) 4281:21:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC) 4263:20:34, 11 March 2018 (UTC) 4164:03:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC) 4149:17:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC) 3889:– Ledyard official website 3833:. People here should read 2326:within the city of Ledyard 2163:WikiProject Disambiguation 2045:Category: Thai male boxers 1994:Jake LaMotta Boxing record 1829:Leonard–Hagler, Gatti–Ward 1629:of win: KO, TKO, UD, etc. 1614: 1596: 1577: 849:18:09, 9 August 2017 (UTC) 741: 647:18:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC) 589:01:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC) 533:21:31, 1 August 2017 (UTC) 5682:page and where relevant. 5190:See my remark in vote 7. 4445:tell me what you think -- 4029:featured article criteria 3534:Mashantucket, Connecticut 3098:. What more do you want? 2733:" Not my words. Likewise 2727:Mashantucket Pequot Tribe 2312:Ledyard, CT official site 1434:12:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 1356:03:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 1342:Manual of style: See also 1276:22:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC) 1240:03:01, 13 June 2017 (UTC) 1226:23:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 1200:23:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 1178:21:13, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 1160:21:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 1133:20:34, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 1062:no presumptive notability 1045:World Boxing Organization 945:This page is part of the 482:23:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC) 378:22:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC) 339:00:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC) 304:18:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 254:17:29, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 212:17:15, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 186:13:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 159:03:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC) 140:00:47, 23 July 2017 (UTC) 5391:WBA Continental (Europe) 5260:WBC International Silver 4434:I would like to invite : 3643:is what I would prefer. 2561:Foxwoods Twitter Account 1419:magazine Pound for Pound 1292:16:31, 9 July 2017 (UTC) 1027:World Boxing Association 5864:15:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC) 5850:13:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC) 5832:09:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC) 5822:is appropriate enough. 5801:09:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC) 5782:09:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC) 5711:11:52, 7 May 2018 (UTC) 5692:15:55, 3 May 2018 (UTC) 5673:09:07, 3 May 2018 (UTC) 5654:21:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC) 5566:21:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC) 2789:article about Ledyard: 2068:Sergio Gabriel Martínez 975:Boxing Union of Ireland 5068:National Sporting Club 5033:National Sporting Club 4889:is added to Citation 2 4486:National Sporting Club 4413:to notable titles list 3622:per multiple reliable 2357:"Ledyard, Connecticut" 2080:Srisaket Sor Rungvisai 2072:Lucas Martin Matthysse 1953:a little bit clearer. 1887:in December 2015. 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There's already a 110:-time world champion" 42:of past discussions. 5659:TBRB and Lineal link 5266:Silver International 5241:Been working on the 4546:World Boxing Council 3538:Ledyard, Connecticut 3465:Another source here 3448:Another Source here 3430:Another source here 3361:That's been started 3253:Pff, "party".. sure. 3231:read very carefully 2332:"Ledyard Center, CT" 1717:World Boxing Council 1039:World Boxing Council 965:Asian Boxing Council 960:African Boxing Union 793:, and most recently 459:Floyd Mayweather Jr. 4205:—and apply them to 3881:and not just within 3695:Foxwoods Commercial 3388:User:Mac Dreamstate 3337:User:Mac Dreamstate 3225:User:Mac Dreamstate 3169:User:Mac Dreamstate 3121:User:Mac Dreamstate 3065:User:Mac Dreamstate 3017:User:Mac Dreamstate 2935:User:Mac Dreamstate 2910:, meaning Ledyard. 2757:User:Mac Dreamstate 2693:User:Mac Dreamstate 2504:User:Mac Dreamstate 2397:User:Mac Dreamstate 2278:UFC visits Foxwoods 2116:Mathieu Bauderlique 1979:proposed a revision 1778:SaskatchewanSenator 1645:User:Mac Dreamstate 1497:SaskatchewanSenator 1444:SaskatchewanSenator 890:SaskatchewanSenator 671:Big ugly yellow row 472:magazine titles." 5734:was tagged citing 5730:, I am unsure why 5592:Alexander Povetkin 5584:Wladimir Klitschko 5066:, would recommend 4411:Australasian title 4203:light middleweight 4199:light welterweight 2735:Indian reservation 2185:Super Middleweight 930:to the following: 5763:Proposed deletion 5318:] International ] 4180:MOS:BOXING/WEIGHT 4061:MOS:BOXING/TITLES 4019:I have nominated 3565:MOS:BOXING/RECORD 2960:As I said above, 2902:And according to 2797:in Ledyard, Conn. 2374:MOS:BOXING/RECORD 2036:Wittawas Basapean 1951:MOS:BOXING/RECORD 1813:more definitive. 1618: 1617: 1610:Brampton, Ontario 905:MOS:BOXING/RECORD 779: 778: 103: 102: 54: 53: 48:current talk page 5875: 5821: 5815: 5767: 5761: 5757: 5751: 5639: 5633: 5510:Terence Crawford 5506:Adonis Stevenson 5446:Hello. 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Dreamstate 2241: 2238: 2237: 2236: 2218: 2217: 2186: 2183: 2159:disambiguation 2154: 2151: 2150: 2149: 2139:Mac Dreamstate 2112:Alberto Melián 2107: 2104: 2103: 2102: 2092:Mac Dreamstate 2031: 2028: 1995: 1992: 1974: 1971: 1970: 1969: 1968: 1967: 1966: 1965: 1955:Mac Dreamstate 1938: 1937: 1936: 1935: 1917: 1916: 1906:Mac Dreamstate 1897: 1896: 1889:WP:NOCONSENSUS 1866: 1863: 1862: 1861: 1851:Mac Dreamstate 1836:Mac Dreamstate 1830: 1827: 1826: 1825: 1809: 1808: 1807: 1806: 1796:Mac Dreamstate 1789: 1788: 1773: 1772: 1771: 1770: 1760:Mac Dreamstate 1752: 1751: 1721:Mac Dreamstate 1712: 1709: 1708: 1707: 1706: 1705: 1704: 1703: 1689: 1664:Mac Dreamstate 1641: 1631:Mac Dreamstate 1616: 1615: 1613: 1595: 1592: 1589: 1586: 1576: 1573: 1569: 1568: 1565: 1562: 1559: 1556: 1553: 1550: 1547: 1518: 1515: 1514: 1513: 1512: 1511: 1510: 1509: 1508: 1507: 1486: 1485: 1484: 1483: 1482: 1481: 1471:Mac Dreamstate 1457: 1456: 1455: 1454: 1437: 1436: 1426:Mac Dreamstate 1423: 1422: 1421: 1413: 1404: 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