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block from atop the queue. These reservations all have a "time-to-live" (TTL) of ~10 minutes. If the edits aren't classified in 10 minutes after receipt, the reservation is released on the server side (despite the fact they still may be cached and enqueued locally for subsequent display). This is a practical necessity: We can't let an attacker own the entire database by taking out infinite reservations on everything, and if someone does not close STiki correctly (or it hits a bug) then the reservation will not be elegantly released (and we want someone else to classify these edits). There are *also* checks ran every couple seconds to de-queue locally cached edits that have since incurred an edit conflict. In all probability, a pause/delay/slowdown/break by one user caused the edit to be re-issued, and the timing was narrow enough to avoid the aforementioned checks. I don't see this is a significant problem (the edit conflict was noted); this is lots of checking and my timing evidence shows 99.9%+ of edits are classified within their 10 minute reservation window (or elegantly released).
718:. although they have done some with vandalism, and warn users pretty consistently, it seems like there are some issues with false positives, ie, reverting constructive contributions. a related concern is that the user has not always fully replied to reponses made by users whose edits they reverted. i think CVUA would help EoRdE6 get a better sense of how to deal with ambiguous cases, discussion with other editors, using the talk page, etc. aside from some sparse contributions on an old account from over a year ago, EoRdE6 has only been editing for about a month. i think it's a good idea to take more time to become familiar with counter-vandalism efforts. ~
2560:"Provides for" is an interesting one. Similar to "support" really, but slightly different connotation... like it is less likely that the collaborative approach would exist without STiki. "Empowers" doesn't work for me. "Employs" is a new way of looking at it. It's like the collaborative way of working was already there and STiki just uses it. Kind of the opposite of "provides for" but also kind of true. Makes me wonder if there is a word that means something does both. Likes "Fits in with"... "coheres with".... although we've still got the problem of it not being clear that this collaborative approach wouldn't exist without STiki.
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add emphasis (a la red text)? I'm not sure Java's bare bones browser can handle the "spans" and other techniques used in the current
Mediawiki style. As a bit of a hypothetical is there even a need to try to show this white-space? If it doesn't effect rendering, who cares? If rendering is not affected, could it just be treated as a null diff? Maybe a note could be added when excess whitespace is present (acknowledging the fact it might not be rendered)? Point being, I can't imagine a completely elegant/straightforward solution at the moment. Does the community have any thoughts?
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restart interfaces in Linux, things like "service network restart", "ifup eth0", sending commands to the specific network manager, etc.). I emailed my on-site colleague within one hour, but unfortunately it was caught in a spam filter, and the correction was not completed until he returned to the office on Monday AM. These maintenance windows have slowed dramatically now that classes are back in session at the hosting site, so I am hopeful we will have a good long run -- and if not -- I am hopeful I have finally found something that works on the auto-reconnect front. Thanks,
2780:, STiki was responsible for the trailing "2014 (UTC)" instance at the document's end, but the diff-parse suggests it pre-pended a ""2014 (UTC)" to its section creation, and then awkwardly "in-line inserted" (vs. "appended") a warning without a full date to instead use the date that was associated with the previous warning (tough to describe; sorry). Clearly, this is not how the edit happened in practice. This is something I've only seen very recently, and I suspect this weirdness may be confusing the MediaWiki parser about the section creation.
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is obviously not obvious vandalism: at first sight, the figures look plausible. So only a thorough check somewhere else will uncover whether this is a constructive edit or not. I actually hate such edits. I do check sometimes; but at other times I say to myself: please, let the soccer fans or movie afficionados concerned do the checking themselves - it is just so time-consuming. Subsequently, I press 'Pass' (leaving it to someone else). What are your opinions about this?! How do you co-patrollers handle such edits?! Thanks for any feedback.
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exact title, which STiki created just seconds earlier. STiki's policy and that of other tools is to append warnings to the existing section (assuming there is one that matches the month/year). Why this happened is a bit perplexing, but 'replag' (replication lag on the WMF servers) is a leading candidate since the two warnings were made only a couple of seconds apart (the failure to escalate the warn-level on the second warning also corroborates this). This might not be STiki's fault, but STiki poorly handled the situation after that.
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your name not appearing at the top of the window, or the "You are not logged in. Your IP address will be publicly visible if you make any edits." warning that appears above an edit window. However, when making automated edits with a tool like STiki, none of that happens. STiki thinks it is logged in, and it would be difficult for it to detect that it no longer is. Bots are supposed to use something called "assert=user" to check they are logged in, but I don't know if there is a good way of doing that for a tool like STiki.
3188:: Those individual clicks are recorded privately on my server and not publicly released. Internal to my tool that feedback is used to: (1) Determine if someone else needs to review the edit (no duplicate reviews), (2) For ongoing algorithmic refinement (i.e., training of machine learning models), and (3) Analyzed in aggregate to prevent tool abuse (if someone submits 1000 "innocent" classifications per minute, we have a problem). Externally, aggregates of your classification behaviors will become publicly available at
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router. Chances are this shared IP resides at some institution (school, business, etc.) that has blocked the MySQL port (3306) from sending/receiving traffic. This can be done for security reasons, content policy, bandwidth savings, etc. You may be able to speak with a network administrator about opening that port in the institutional firewall, but this is nothing STiki has control over (STiki is never even seeing your connection attempt). Thanks,
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1742:. so by default, these edits are still presented for assessment, but the user could have the option to tick a box and turn thr filter on. this way, the editors who just want to "pass" all of them can skip a step in the process, while users who have time/patience to be more thorough can handle these edits. maybe there could even be an option to
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STiki-initiated edits to be associated to user's IP addresses. If there is any concern a STiki user was "outed" in this fashion, contact me privately and I'll use my admin bit to REVDEL the edits into oblivion. This version will break previous ones; old versions should no longer work and pop a dialogue about the new version. Aside from this:
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session key and I don't think we even have "log out" code that could be mis-firing -- so something has to be happening on the WMF side to preliminary terminate things. I'm not privy to what that is, and it might be hard to file a bug report with the WMF given this strange junction of my third-party tool and their server-side behavior.
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side (login panel, classification) doesn't seem to be resizable. This isn't a big issue for me because I happen to know that that's the 4im button, etc, but I thought I'd let you know. One thought is if the left side cannot be resizable then perhaps we could reduce the width of the Back button. Here's a link to a screenshot:
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indeed, but make an exception for numerical-only-changes that change numbers and make them very much larger or very much smaller (say by a factor 10 or more)? With me such large changes always trigger the alarm bells.3. Deciding on such numerical-only-edits will remain a matter of judgment I presume.
734:. However, how many of those ever return to classify as part of the STiki team? To some extent this might speak to the fact the user wasn't *that* interested, but conversely, we could be losing participants due to borderline circumstances (trying to imagine through some cost-benefit-risk ratios here).
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I wouldn't mind if this option were added, but at some point the wish to have a message for every case runs up against the need to keep the list to a manageable size. We have
Unsourced and Unsourced-BLP messages; we can always see when a new addition is unsourced, but often can't tell if it really is
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As a matter of interest, if a user posted (for example) a uw-biog1 message on a user's page and then STiki reverted a different edit, would STiki give a uw-vandalism1 or uw-vandalism2? Some of the warnings seem very similar to vandalism. For example, the difference between a test edit and vandalism
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I know what you mean, as I have had to make manual edits/changes myself. Other cases include situations which require a revert across more than one vandal account/IP. This cannot be done via standard rollback, and so the only options left are "Pass" or "Innocent". It would hesitate to use the former,
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I made about 25-50 reverts last night (see my contributions) using a version that replaced "\r" with "\n". Going through the talk page notifications, I observed no issues, though I am unsure if I hit any cases that would have been problematic previously (not really sure what characterizes these cases
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In the initial diff that
Materialscientist provided there is a single carriage return -- by design -- after the previous warning before the section header that STiki placed (if there wasn't, the first two equals signs would likely be on the previous line). STiki's source code has been adding a single
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Do you do any unusual login/logout behaviors? Run any other external tools in parallel that require login? What version of STiki are you using? The new version released yesterday-ish can detect this as described in item T#048 (see the CHANGELOG thread above). Could you download the new version; spot
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Greetings, and thank you for your work. It appears all your actions are being logged by the STiki tool (and captured on our "leaderboard"). However, when I spot check the RIDs (you have provided feedback for) on the encyclopedia, I see many of them have been reverted by the STiki tool, but associated
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As a preface, GUI development is super un-fun work. Producing something that looks natural and aligned as resolutions change and whitespace disappears probably consumes 2/3 of the STiki code-base (as opposed to interesting anti-vandal logic). Your entire display is a bit "spacier" than mine, which is
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Hello everyone: I think the message could be rephrased like has been said (this is a regular editor - are you sure you want to revert him/her?); gives one an incentive to think twice. But after that thinking-twice I have enough buttons to live with (good faith with several messages; vandalism without
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At every subsequent warning STiki asked "does this user talk page have a 'November 2014'" section on it?". My code was always returning the first such section, parsing it to find the highest level (the level 1), and saying "give this user a level 2 warning". Then that warning was getting appended the
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I'm on a plane (and therefore a sub-par connection). Can someone search/link the archive on this? I recall this coming up before, but I am not sure I had a great explanation. STiki continues to record the username in its databases, so it seems the WMF is dropping the session? STiki never modifies the
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doesn't seem like a terrible burden to me. How long does it ordinarily take to complete (absent communications delays)? Others may have noticed our "milestones" page has been a little sluggish lately, and we haven't been on-boarding new users at the typical rate. Daily classification counts have also
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Be bold in making that change if you think it appropriate. I will investigate the possibility of displaying byte change counts somewhere in the metadata panel, although things are already quite tight. As you mentioned, a raw plus/minus doesn't always tell the whole story. The back-end classifier uses
3365:. This lets you give all sorts of messages in an efficient way. You can then unselect "warn offending editor" in STiki and press "vandalism". When you go to the vandal's talk page and use Twinkle, it will have already filled in the name of the article you reverted in the form for the user message.
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If an article edit is made external to STiki while that article is displayed in the STiki window, any subsequent (attempted) edits via STiki will fail due to an edit conflict. This conflict will be reported in the "last revert" panel. No matter which button is pressed, STiki will record the feedback
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Not at this time. We've only had ~50 tickets in STiki's history so a dedicated platform may well be more cumbersome than it is worth. Moreover, there is some convenience in having it adjacent to our project discussion. I think the current approach well serves non-technical portions of the user base,
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I have been using STiki over the last few days, and went back to one article to see how the vandalism reversion was logged. To my surprise, neither this, nor any other of the article edits I have been able to check on, were affected by my classifying them in the STiki interface. In other words, when
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Yes, I believe the back button has always been that big. Things never aligned perfectly but that is of little concern. The important part is the functionality which is clearly there. Here the only thing I see bothering someone who's never used the tool is that we don't see all of the 4im button. The
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I'd recommend caution before assuming these edits are innocent, because even small changes to numbers and dates surprisingly often turn out to be inconsistent with other parts of the article (lead, body, infobox, tables, persondata) or with an adjacent citation. One can imagine a young person saying
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for vandalism, I selected
Vandalism classification in Login panel for this purpose. To my observation warnings for vandalism were issued as "User warning for unconstructive editing found using STiki". Initially i thought user might have been blocked from editing as i have issued him many warnings(as
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I don't know about this, but recently, I tried opening STiki up on a shared IP address and it showed me the error message. At home, it always works but I can't seem to ge it to work in shared IP addresses. Is it because that I can't operate it under a shared IP or I can't operate it under an IP that
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It is perhaps worthwhile to look into how easy it would be to turn STiki into a Java applet that could run inside a browser (though I imagine some aspects of the GUI might not transfer simply). Anyone have any perspective on this? Otherwise, a thorough re-coding is probably not on my agenda (heck, a
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There is a larger shortcoming here, though, and that is that the diff display is essentially a bare-bones HTML browser. HTML renders multiple space characters as a single one. This is true also of actual
Knowledge pages. Notice that although wikitext may contain multiple spaces, they are rendered as
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My code has been using the "\r" code (carriage return) in the Java string formatting to achieve these line breaks. This is noteworthy, because myself and other programmers usually default to "\n" (new line) to achieve the same effect. This leads me to believe (and I can almost recall), I tried "\n"
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Has your "back" button always been that wide? On my machine (by code design) it is probably not a pixel wider than the vertical text it contains (and then everything in that panel fits nicely). Would you be willing to email me to open a thread whereby we can exchange screenshots and new versions to
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Hi, thanks for the awesome update! I use OSX 10.9, and with the update some parts of the interface are not completely visible. This includes the 4im button, the watchlist options dropdown, and the links in the edit properties box. The latter you can fix by resizing the whole interface, but the left
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certain numerical data: like a footbalclub, the number of goals made goes up from 8 to 9, when we move from 2013 to 2014. Or a baseball pro has a new score, up from 88 to 90, as we move from 2012 to 2014. Or a certain movie has new box-office results. Etcetera etcetera. Variations are endless. This
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STiki has considerable logic to auto-increment warning levels in an intelligent manner (designed to play nice with Huggle's system and other tools), and some aspects of that failed here. First, STiki should have never created a second section labeled "November 2014". There was already one with that
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That sounds a bit more like an "alternate" server, in which both servers run simultaneously, syncing data between each other, and one can take over when one goes down. Because the STiki server stores edits, having a temporary server that only runs when the main server is down would probably mean no
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As soon as one the aforementioned colleague walks down to the server room and presses a button. As pre-condition to this, he'd need to actually be in the office. We're getting dangerously close to the weekend, so I just sent an email to an additional contact who can help. There is nothing technical
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which "cannot" happen; it is a bot which has not noticed that it is logged out). Similar incidents have been reported in the past, although I've never seen a direct explanation. Apparently some bots (wmflabs?) access
Knowledge directly without going through the Internet, so private IP addresses are
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has had claims from people that they get logged out while doing normal editing. When manually editing, if something logs you out you might notice any of several clues such as your skin changing (if you have a non-default skin), or your signature not appearing in a preview (if posting a comment), or
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At any given time, a STiki user has ~15 edits on their machine that are queued up for display and have a "reservation" against them in the back-end database. Generally, this means that no other users can have these edits in their queues, nor will others receive these edits when they ask for a fresh
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Oh. So it is not a problem that I have only on my end. Apparently, the STiki software works so that "when a user is shown an edit, they have a "reservation" so that no other STiki users are viewing the edit simultaneously ... redundant work (edit conflicts, multiple reviews of good edits) is being
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Most of the time, they won't show up. However, as the queues empty, more and more will be the higher scoring ones, so will go to the top of the queue. Ignoring all admin/experienced edits can be a bad thing; If the account is hijacked and starts vandalising, if no one reviews the edits, how will we
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Thanks for that explanation. It may seem obvious to you techie folk, but for mere users, like yours truly, maybe a little note in the Using STiki section overleaf to the effect that in the unlikely event that an edit shows up on the diff display as having no apparent change, it's worth checking the
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I swear I did not change the text at all... and yet we don't get a null diff. I think that when you edit manually, MediaWiki must automatically replace the "wrong" new line character with the "right" new line character. This theory also explains why, on the left of the diff, you have an apparent
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OK, thanks for the suggestions everybody. Just a few last remarks. 1. On encountering a minor numerical edit, that looks more or less OK, I will henceforth press
Innocent (and not Pass and shift the burden to someone else). 2. About the proposed filter: would it be an idea to introduce that filter
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There is no blanket problem with "shared IP addresses" on
Knowledge or STiki. Even if an IP address is blocked (including Tor nodes), that does not prevent someone with a registered account from using that IP address. The more likely issue here is the configuration of the shared IP address and its
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Hi all, 'd like to be permitted to use STiki. I'm nowhere near 1,000 article edits, but have been using and somewhat editing
Knowledge for almost a decade. Lately I encountered vandalism in an article I've been editing, and so started doing some manual vandalism tracking and reverting. I've read a
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s, for example, but such changes would show up anyway on the diff display. On second thought, maybe the above suggestion is overkill... On the other hand, I don't remember a byte count showing up on the STiki diff display, and while for larger edits there's really no need, 'cos red text adequately
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In the code behind, STiki has all this whitespace and is coloring it red -- it just gets squished and you can't color whitespace. Can/how do we fix this? One can force whitespace to display, but this could cause some font and line-breaking weirdness. Even if we get it to render visually, how do we
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First, I hope you don't mind I changed the section title to something a bit more descriptive for archival purposes. Second, without digging into the source code, I acknowledge this is likely a deficiency of STiki's diff display. The color scheme and use of bold red text to indicate changes mirrors
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I notice that there has been no further bug reports since the latest version of STiki was made available on the 12th. I think that it would make sense to use the feature of STiki that prevents old versions from working and tells people to download the latest version. I say this for two reasons:
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Nothing grand to report here. The connection went down because of planned maintenance, and while my scripts used to *detect* the downtime were accurate, the reconnection code once again failed. I have already authored an alternative strategy for next time (these are all based on ways to check and
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If the displayed edit is half-undoing some previously done vandalism, I usually press good-faith revert. I can see arguments for the other options. It feels right to me because the displayed editor was probably acting in good faith but the edit is semi-unhelpful because it buries the remaining
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Noyster, Orphan wiki, To expand on what Andrew has said, when I am in the situation you describe, I edit the article using the normal wiki interface. I then go back to STiki and press the button that best describes the edit displayed. Sometimes this can be tricky. To go through some examples:
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The back button *never* becomes activated? By design the back button will disable itself when: (1) There is no previous edit (i.e., when STiki starts or you change queues), (2) After you have pressed the the "vandalism" or "AGF" buttons (trying to undo the revert action and any warnings would be
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First off, thank you for your long-term participation on the project. This certainly demonstrates good-faith in your request. However, just 60 edits across this time interval doesn't speak much about your knowledge of the warning system and some of the other practicalities by which the vandalism
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No, only if you revert an edit is your action stored in the page history of that article. "Pass" and "innocent" just register within the workings of STiki: if you select "pass" the edit will be displayed again to another STiki user, but if you select "innocent" it will be removed from the STiki
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Greetings STiki-ers... An emergency release was issued this morning because of slight extensions the WMF did to their login procedure (seems geo-location is now part of the process). Our code was not generic enough to handle this rather minor change, breaking login in some respects, and causing
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To add one thing: A vandal shouldn't need a description of how they have erred, it should be obvious. Moreover, we need to use standardized warnings on talk pages because all tools look for these as part of their warning escalation logic. We could add some additional notes/text inside of those
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Of course Yaris' suggestion to actually validate the number is the best policy, but absent that, I think an "innocent" label is appropriate so long as the change in numerical value is minor. These are pretty unsatisfying cases, I agree. In fact, it shouldn't be too hard to write a user filter
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If I have manually edited the article to correct errors introduced by the displayed edit then I will either press "innocent" or "good-faith revert". It mostly depends on how severe the correction was. If in doubt, I usually go for "good-faith revert". Although I haven't, strictly speaking,
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STiki access has been granted. The user has done exclusively patrol/anti-vandal work since joining the project. In the course of this, he/she has demonstrated appropriate use of the warning system, AIV reporting, and the detection of inappropriate usernames. Java expertise lends potential for
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There is no issue with the newline code. It's no problem to add a second carriage return so there is a blank line in the wikitext in these cases. However, some systems (including STiki and Huggle) leave a line of trailing whitespace after warnings that could create a larger-than-expected gap.
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This looks symptomatic of your "edit session dropping" (essentially, the WMF servers are logging you out when they shouldn't, rendering the authentication tokens STiki obtained on your behalf worthless). This page's archives mention this issue a couple of times recently, and there is evidence
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Good catch, and it is an easy fix (if that is the desiresdoutcome). However, I wonder if the real power of the "DTTR" dialog has nothing to do with people changing whether or not a warning is issued, but instead notifying a STiki user they are about to revert someone with a certain degree of
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Got a question myself. Quite often when using STiki I find it necessary to go into the article itself and make an edit that may be more than, less than, or different from a straight revert of the diff on STiki. So which classification to choose when returning to STiki, or doesn't it
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covers 99.9% of edits, could a byte count be incorporated as a default setting in the edit properties box (the Wiki-diff link doesn't show this āas I pointed out above, it's necessary to go to the page history to check that)? Or would you also consider this overkill? Regards, --
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My guess is that the code that generates the "December 2014" heading uses the wrong new line character. Has this code changed at all recently? Maybe the MediaWiki API used to correct the new line characters it was given but this has been removed... that would also explain
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Same here, I used to worry about it at first, but then soon started just pressing "Innocent" for such edits. While we are talking about certain edit types which pop up, I got one: those edits by IPs or newusers who blank articles and redirect them--what do you do for this?
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Note that good-faith revert messages are not warnings and shouldn't be used for clear cases of vandalism. In these cases the standard messages produced by STiki are usually sufficient but if you feel like being more specific then
Twinkle is probably a good option for
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Greetings. Edits by senior editors (admins, reviewers, more than a fixed number of contributions, etc.) are not likely to be unconstructive. So why are they showing up on Stiki? If we remove these edits from the feed, it will be easier to focus on actual vandalism.
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Yep, pretty sure I caught all of these in that initial fix Yaris referenced. It didn't seem worthwhile to issue a new "date of release" and cause confusion, although I guess I maybe should have appended some type of numerical identifier to the filenames. Thanks,
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I agree with Yaris' logic here. Through 600k+ reverts I cannot think of a single time that 3RR has been brought to my attention, and it seems exceedingly unlikely given the criteria above. I don't feel this is something that needs to be implemented at this time.
779:, which does not actually mention Huggle etc. not sure if there is some other message that does? i don't think it would hurt for this message to direct users to the additional tools that are made available by receiving rollback. might also be worth mentioning on
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I would like to use STiki. For awhile now I have been patrolling Real Time Recent Changes (Beta) and using Twinkle to revert vandalism. I think STiki could help increase my speed and ease of anti-vandalism. Note: I have made over 500 edits and created a new page
2882:. I picked these people because they are frequent users. I wasn't aware of them having this problem before. The Widr example is interesting because it shows that the problem is there even when no section heading is created. I say roll out the new version.
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Hi there, I'm new to STiki. I understand STiki looks at the vandal's talk page to determine the warning level, and I would like to ask if there is a way to select the type of warning placed on the vandal's talk page; for example the blanking of pages warning.
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messy business), and (3) After you have just pressed the "back" button (the depth is limited to one). If you classify an edit as "innocent" or "pass", then the back button should be enabled and you should be able to go back that one edit. Is that not the case?
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STiki can be a little temperamental when my Internet speed is slow, which means it sometimes stops responding and refuses to close. I can't find the process in task manager, so how can I close it? I can always open a new process, but prefer to close previous.
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By the way, I agree that there isn't much point in being specific about the type of vandalism. But if hz wants to be specific then hz may as well do it in the most efficient way. (Having said that, I don't know how helpful my advice was, given that the page
2185:(including third-party evidence) this is something the WMF servers are screwing up. We've always assumed this "session dropping" to be an unusual event. However, your history indicates otherwise, with it happening to you across multiple days and IP addresses.
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Sorry, but "STiki gives a collaborative approach" is just not idiomatic English. Several other suggestions are better: supports, facilitates, provides. "Supports" is not "wishy-washy"; it is a standard term in the documentation of computing systems.
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Thank you for the explanation. The problem is that I was shown the screen just a few seconds before the other edit was being made. When Onel5969 made the revision, it may have been handed to me by accident. It may be a one-time error, though. ā
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with an IP address instead of your login account. There are a couple of IPs in this set that are nearly adjacent in address space, but I'll decline to mention these to protect your privacy (contact me privately if you'd like to know them).
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The page works like any other page so if there is a change you don't like you can change it back or discuss it on this talk page. Changes don't get put into code automatically though so Andrew still gets the final say on what's in STiki.
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in STiki's early development, found it not to work when parsed by Mediawiki, and then shifted to "\r" and found it to work. So yes, something new in the Mediawiki parser may be to blame here (and I'll see what "\n" does these days).
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Some admins issue a template when they award rollback rights. If I recall correctly, this mentions Huggle and some of the other new capabilities available to rollback users. I don't think STiki is on that list; can and should we be?
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experience (perhaps giving the edit a second look with a widened margin of "good faith"). If this is the case, maybe we should change the wording slightly and pop the dialog regardless of the "warn user?" checkbox status. Thoughts?
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I realize there were some other minor items on the TODO list (null edits, AGF messages). Those have been pushed to the next release due to the haste with which this copy needed to be released. Thank you for the continued support.
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2nd "November 2014" section. Rinse and repeat; the process continued through several warnings. To wrap-up, identically named sections were a problem spot, and I've coded up a fix that will be pushed in the next release. Thanks,
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The STiki workflow means that the revert is normally a few minutes or hours after the original edit, unlike in Huggle. The vandal has normally got bored and gone away before the revert happens, reducing the chance of follow-up
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because there's no need to pass on the diff to anyone else, but at the end of the day, one assumes that the pending diff will be removed from the system when a further edit has been made by an established user to the article.
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Paul, I wasn't suggesting that STiki should enable automation of all the things in the bullet-pointed list. The idea was that the list is part of the message to users. To help them think of what might be appropriate in the
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with Huggle before, not paying close attention to the articles. I don't want that to happen again. Could there be a message box that pops up and prompts you to continue or abondon. That would save a lot of worrying. Thanks,
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Hello, I would like to request permission to use the STiki tool in spite of a relatively few number of edits. I've been involved quite a bit recently in vandalism reversion as you will see from my contribs, relying on the
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Is it possible to set up an alternative 'temporary' server for Stiki to run when the main server is down? Or to act as a switch to switch it back on or something? I suck at programming, my opinion does sound stupid.
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any message). If needed, just switch to the diff and you find every entry and button that one could need to leave messages etc. So do not complicate this issue - just change the wording, that is all.
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internally, for reasons described in the thread immediately above. For that reason, it is preferred to press the classification button that most accurately describes the diff displayed. Thanks,
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yet, or how prevalent they are). Does anyone see differences in my work and that being produced by the current STiki version? How bad are these issues, do I need to push out a new release?
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what happens in other tools like Huggle, Igloo etc.) but when i saw his talk page, no final warning was added, So i used Twinkle to issue him Final warning & reported the case at
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show numerical edits, for users who want to do some real menial labor. of course, these are just some ideas, and i'm not sure how easy they would be to implement. ~
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