1472:, I actually agree with your general commentary here (I think we're already well within policy to delete this nonsense if we deem it necessary), but there's a reason I supported and brought the RfC to the community's attention: a failure of this RfC would mean next year the April 1st crowd would point to the failure of this RfC as evidence that they could create AfDs about BLPs. Is this just clarifying what should already be a best practice? Yes. Is it unfortunately necessary to make the clarification now that the question has been raised? Also yes.
1841:: Only ban joke AFDs for contentious living people. The cited examples as provided by the IP are two extremely contentious figures in American politics. They're reasonable to preserve the integrity of Knowledge. However, Tom Brady, Taylor Swift, Kylie Jenner, and Bernard Arnault should not be off limits as long as Rules for Fools are being followed. Banning jokes off of Tom Brady in the real world at all would be a SNOW, and banning jokes about him on an obviously humorous page is an absurd move.
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1513:, and I would suggest we disallow any and all April Fool's activity in mainspace. Like it or not, we're a much bigger deal than when this tradition began; we need to take our credibility a little more seriously. Moreover, April Fools is not equally popular across the world, and odds are we're confusing a non-trivial number of our readers.
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Was your takeaway from my comment "this should be deleted because it isn't funny"? The AFD being unfunny, crude humour that took 2 years to get 2 people to comment on isn't the problem. The issue I have with that AFD is that it consists entirely of mocking someone for their appearance, which I find
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I get what you're saying, but we can thump people over the head with this new rule for all the rest of this year, someone's just going to say "but it's funny!" and do it anyway. They can point to this discussion all they want, I'm still going to delete their stupid attack page "jokes" with the
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I just read every article in existence in regards to April Fools' but still can't understand what the rules are? Let me get this straight, no pranks on any visible page, no pranks on user pages, and no pranks anywhere else than your own user page? Am I getting this right?
1330:. WP:BLP policy, and the spirit behind it, overrides the need some people apparently have to make jokes at the expense of living people on something that represents itself as an encyclopaedia. If you must make such jokes, find a toilet wall somewhere to publish them on.
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