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No, I'll agree that WMF can't control the myriad of wiki-centric conversations that take place off-wiki. I think a forum/chatroom WMF formally conducts business in becomes the responsibility of WMF to monitor. If a bunch of editors take their conversations "away from the flagpole" that's their own
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