1086:. As for yours, I think the dorsal fin is alright. I looked over Wilson & Caldwell, and they say that the dorsal fin is either absent or greatly reduced (perhaps they were thinking the same as you). The throat region of your restoration should be deeper and rounded out; W & C say that the orobranchial chamber was probably laterally expanded in life because there are many folds and wrinkles in the throat region of the fossil. When you make a new version, make sure the margin of the throat is very far from the branchial openings. The caudal lobes seem very small in your restoration in comparison to other furcacaudiforms. I know it seems that way in the photo, but W & C say that the dorsal and ventral lobes are large, there are twelve narrower intermediate lobes, and the dorsalmost and ventralmost intermediate lobes are much shorter and arise from the main lobes. They don't say anything about how short the lobes are, so I suspect that the apparent shortness of the lobes is a result of the poor quality of the photograph and/or the fossil itself. The caudal fin probably doesn't look much different from that of any other furcacaudiform.
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have time, and so on. But at the moment, as long as I get green light from Laurie once in a while, I don't think it'll take long to finish. The drawing does not show a rhinarium as separate form the rest of the snout, I'v emade most of the proboscis (which Laurie requested) naked. Also, since there are multiple species, Smokey could surely make his own restoration of
Megaladapis, I've based mine on edwardsi, so he has two others to pick from if he doesn't want overlap. We've also illustrated a species of
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newer skeletal, the head in your restoration seems to be too short and robust. The tip of the snout should be slightly downturned. Also, the hands may need to be smaller and the feet bigger. Unlike the skeletal in Sereno & Arcucci (1994), the skeletal by J. González shows the hand with five fingers, with digits IV and V greatly reduced. You should add these in. In your restoration, the torso seems too short relative to the limbs. The tail may need to be a little longer, too.
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premaxillary teeth, which are significantly larger. As for the lower jaw, there are around 28 teeth. They gradually decrease in size from the first tooth until the seventh or eighth tooth. The ninth and tenth teeth are a bit larger. After these two teeth, size begins to gradually decrease once again. Don't trace over the teeth exactly, because they are not perfectly preserved. Also, the nostril is too large in your illustration. The naris of
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456:, 3rd edition, which is due to hit the press in a week or two. Because he does not own the image, he could not give rights to publish the image on Wiki, but anyone may use the image to create their own life restoration. Since I can't post it on the web, please go to my user page and email me your address if you need a copy of this illustration to assist in the creation of a life restoration for these extinct lemurs. –
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against photos of the fossils, it looks like the scale bar I used to make the original said 5cm instead of 10 cm. So, I re-did the whole thing and added some wingspan silhouettes for good measure. I'm not handy with svg images so hopefully it came out ok. Figured I'd run the change past the committee to make sure I haven't overlooked anything :)
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It's almost as if the head is turning around to look at you. Therefore, I think you should remove the snout like projection on your restoration and make the head more rounded. Also, if you want to, it would probably be a good idea to add scales to the ventrolateral fin flap, because the scales are quite apparent in the fossil.
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2619:—who's made all the other subfossil lemur art to this point—agreed to take this one on eventually. Honestly, I won't be offended if you opt to bow out. You picked the hardest of the subfossil lemurs to illustrate. But if you want to keep at it, I'd suggest emailing Dr. Godfrey and maybe CC me. Thanks! –
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as well as any future ones. Sorry that this creates a lot more work for you, but you seem to care about accuracy and I'm sure you want your restorations to be some of the best ever done. With her guidance, I'm sure that will be the result. Keep up the good work and keep me posted on your progress. –
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Kear (2003) doesn't give an exact estimate, but a skull reconstruction based on MCZ 1285 is about 160cm. I'm not sure where he got a total length of 9m, though. My first version was scaled isometrically, but I later shortened the dorsal vertebrae. Because of this, I increased the size of the head to
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The color appears red to me and I used the color found in several maps which display counties. With respect to the range, this is based solely on fossil evidence. At a point I only placed localities as fossil collections show no evidence of a particular genus or species elsewhere. Suggestions? Thank
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I actually emailed her before posting here, so I'll see what she says. The problem for me has mostly been that I had to leave for
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Looks good. I'm thinking though that in the first two, the hind limbs are projecting at a strange angle. If they were pulled back that far, I'd expect the feet to be out to the sides more, in line with the rest of the leg. In all three of your illustrations, the pelvic area seems to be too wide. If
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has a short tail, scaling it the the published 90ft estimate makes the known elements (verts, tibia, etc.) way too big, because the underlying assumption of the 90ft figure is an animal with a long, diplodocid-like tail. So to fix this I had to adjust the underlying diagram to lengthen the tail and
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skull? You've scaled both estimates isometrically, but surely such different length estimates would have very different proportions. For example, wouldn't the larger estimate have a relatively smaller head relative to the body length, or longer tail, or something? Or is the Kear estimate based on a
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Sloths don't look up, they look straight ahead or down even if upside down (normally, anyway)." Once you reply to my email (so that I have your address again), I can put you in direct touch with Dr. Laurie
Godfrey. She seems willing to send a critique of all your subfossil lemur life restorations
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I definitely noted the perspective in the fossil. However, you might be right that the mouth might be a little too protruded, so I'll shorten it in the next version as well as make the forehead more round. I will consider the scales on the ventrolateral fin flaps as well. As well, should I make the
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That looks incredibly good! This may be your best restoration yet! Anyway, before you finalize it, I'd like to send you the only photo of the skeleton that I've seen. (I don't have access to the article you linked to.) The photos may be the same. Once you reply to me so that I have your email
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I couldn't do the image on paint so thats why its that bad. I HAD TO LOOK AT IT, draw, LOOK AT IT, draw. Is there any chance you could make a drawing of the skull so I could fix it all. I'm kind of in the quitting my hobby mood. Is this alright for a template for you to do the teeth on or are the
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Maybe you just traced the outline of the skull? There are still some major inaccuracies to be fixed. The eye is placed too far back on the skull, and the jaw margins are wrong. Look at the skull, the jaws are relatively straight. There are too few teeth, and they are too large. You can see in the
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total length, then adjust the rest of the recon based on that. We don't know how long of a tail the estimates assume, for example. If you scale for overall length and then find known elements are coming out too big, the diagram (and usually either underlying reconstruction it's based on or length
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illustration. I'll warn you, though... she's very thorough and will discuss anatomy and locomotion in depth. If you're up for the challenge, just email me through Wiki and I'll pass your email along to her. She's been a little busy lately, but maybe we'll get lucky and you guys can find a few
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had a large, wide head like a frog; you have drawn it too small in comparison to the rest of the body. The skull seems a little to tall in your first illustration, the one that's in the article. It probably should be flatter. Also, I'd expect the eyes to be more bulgy, like in modern amphibians.
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last night.) The two things that would help the most there are 1) keep making images for the extinct genera so I have something to work with, and 2) maybe help create the shadow image for various species or genera (extinct or not). It's all up to you, though. Anyway, keep up the great work! –
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Hey guys, going through my old scale charts, this one seemed particularly weird. Using
Headden's scale charts, I kept coming up with drastically different sizes for old Archie. It took me a while to realize that one of the scale bars in one of the images must have been mislabeled. Checking them
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be like that), it's that the feet are facing forward. They should be in line with the rest of the leg, meaning that they would face outward. Ignore what I said before; your second illustration has the feet in the right position. However, the knees should probably be positioned farther forward,
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Stephen Nash drew it. (He works closely with the experts to create restorations for all the newest lemur books.) I also had a
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Never heard of this genus, it has a very deep body! There seems to be a lot of muscle on the tail near the part where the chevrons are lengthened. In most restorations of pliosaurs that have this expansion, there isn't much muscle surrounding the chevrons and it almost looks like a fin (see
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Thanks, she liked it, but she will be going to Japan for most of
September, so I won't be able to get input from her the coming weeks. As for skull shape etc, it will become much more "concrete" when I get to work some more on it. This is just to get the initial colours and pose blocked in.
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The image looks great! I'll try to put it to use soon. Coincidentally, I am planning to write a page for Hadropithecus tonight, so the previous image will be up very soon. As for the size comparison illustrations, I think I've now got the feel for creating those. (I made
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Oh, thanks for telling me. I've shortened the length of the body, increasing the length of the head, tail, and limbs. The head looks a little big based on what was shown in Kear (2003), but I suppose it will do. I've uploaded the files to Commons, any problems with the SVG
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Cool! All look nice to me, but I think I once read that the proportions of that restored Kronosaurus skeleton were wrong... I'll see if I can find a ref. You're probably safe with the hairs on Ischigualastia, there doesn't seem to be consensus on when they originated.
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A reconstruction will take priority over some of the other images. Anyway, I still need to re-write that article, and completed life restorations will give me a strong incentive to bump it up on my priority list over the next month or so. So don't worry about that.
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based on MCZ 1285. It may be from a smaller individual. As far as I know, the skull of MCZ is incompletely known, so it's still likely to be an overestimate. Now that I'm not as limited by skull size, I've made the head bigger and the tail shorter.
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Here's finally a sketch of Megaladapis edwarsi with blocked in colours, I redid a lot of sketches, and didn't have access to my PC for a couple of months, that's why it's so late. And after all this time, it ends up looking like goddamn Alf:
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of North America and may not have gone up into the trees. Is it possible to adjust the background of the image so that it is on the ground, possibly pulling a tree limb down to eat the leaves? Sorry! Also, let me know when you get to
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from which fossils have been found, because it is more likely that the taxa occurred throughout most of the range of the formations. In any case, the localities should probably be marked as points in each map. I've recently
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Wow, FAC! I'll try to get a drawing up for review as soon as I can. I would have made one sooner, but I've been very busy lately, and haven't had much spare time. I'll probably try to put a sketch up here sometime tomorrow.
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map where there are three disjunct "ranges" that are not connected. I think the concept is great but should be adjusted to show fossil sites without trying to infer palaeorange for taxa. Thoughts?--
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Great! I might try to get the book when it comes out. I'm not too sure how the EmailUser feature works, but I emailed you and you should be able to find my address.
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each for example. Also, it appears a user named Megaladapo has made his own restoration, which can be seen at the right, but it appears to have a few inaccuracies.
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It's not a bad attempt, given how weird this lemur was. It's more of a question for Dr. Godfrey, since she makes the final call. Does the nose demonstrate a
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Hi everyone! I'm a stranger on this page, as most of my illustrations has been dinosaurs. But now, I may will start to visit this page. I start with my
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Ah, missed the life restoration! Diagram looks good, and on the restoration, only thing is the right hind leg seems to maybe be a bit too far down?
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osteology. The snout crest in one specimen was the result of crushing and "enhancement" to the specimen, i.e. not real. So there are no crested
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It's good to see we have some new people making paleoart here! To make it accurate, I'd suggest you look at pictures of the skull in the paper
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poor preservational conditions or geographic barriers. Maybe we should ask the creators of these maps if they want to change them themselves?
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make sure the known bones were coming out to the right length. The best bet is first to scale based on the length of known elements,
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Do you think so? don't be sad for that! It can take time to grow as illustrator for Knowledge, but you are at the start, continue!.
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occurred throughout most of Mexico, as is shown in your map? Fossils in one Mexican locality (according to the Paleobiology Database
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Yes, this looks very nice! Keep up the good work and keep me in the loop—both of you! I've just finished an important article (
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Here's an svg version I just uploaded. For some reason, the text doesn't show up. Any idea why that is? I can't figure out why.
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So well, I hope Smokey haven't stolen my thunder already, but if, it can probably be modified into another species. Any issues?
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The link above doesn't work any more. Could you send me the file so that I can write to Dr. Godfrey and inquire about it? –
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702:04:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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638:03:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
618:Illegal logging in Madagascar
612:21:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
363:based primarily on the skull
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3150:I've also made a diagram of
2914:Yup, this link should work:
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772:may have been more like the
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2226:is nearly vertical like in
1926:Sorry, forgot to log on. --
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67:by J. González in the book
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2757:Oh, I meant which species
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2292:Nice, I think it's ready.
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650:. I might also illustrate
375:has a stubby tail like an
153:The colouring looks good!
3969:state (on page 116) that
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2346:Here's some trematopids:
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1048:Here is an outline of my
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914:14:24, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
891:03:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
864:04:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
743:File:Microcebus_scale.svg
195:Here is an outline of my
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2158:08:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
1289:Based on this skeleton:
64:There is also a skeletal
3871:'s a new version of my
3306:I'd say go ahead then.
3126:03:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
3111:02:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
3101:and a scale diagram...
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454:Lemurs of Madagascar
433:Lemurs of Madagascar
3744:saltwater crocodile
2789:Now has a philtrum.
2109:while you work ;)--
1685:Here's a sketch of
1450:The silhouettes of
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1221:Who is to say that
1065:Giant Blue Anteater
311:Giant Blue Anteater
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228:Furcacauda heintzae
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3216:Quick sketch
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1730:How is this?
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3933:restoration
3748:this figure
3597:mgiganteus1
2763:M. edwardsi
2733:Megaladapis
2449:Megaladapis
2373:Phonerpeton
2341:Trematopids
2312:Nyctosaurus
2308:Nyctosaurus
2262:N. gracilis
2244:N. gracilis
2240:N. gracilis
2236:N. gragilis
2187:Nyctosaurus
2172:Nyctosaurus
1800:these horns
1687:Asilisaurus
1679:Asilisaurus
1567:Kronosaurus
1462:Kronosaurus
1452:Kronosaurus
1439:restoration
1420:Kronosaurus
1223:Merychippus
1111:Merychippus
868:Here it is.
783:Megaladapis
670:Megaladapis
652:Megaladapis
3971:Simosuchus
3949:Simosuchus
3945:Simosuchus
3918:Simosuchus
3902:MMartyniuk
3760:Isisfordia
3756:Susisuchus
3752:this paper
3742:, and the
3739:Isisfordia
3733:Susisuchus
3717:osteoderms
3645:this paper
3582:MMartyniuk
3406:MMartyniuk
3379:Pakasuchus
3368:Pakasuchus
3281:this paper
3220:this paper
3156:Typothorax
3142:Typothorax
3134:Typothorax
3103:MMartyniuk
3048:MMartyniuk
2352:Anconastes
2316:MMartyniuk
2280:MMartyniuk
2266:MMartyniuk
2248:MMartyniuk
2220:Pteranodon
2191:MMartyniuk
2150:MMartyniuk
1804:Dicrocerus
1796:Dicrocerus
1788:Dicrocerus
1777:Dicrocerus
1460:described
1230:formations
1142:Allosaurus
1133:Allosaurus
674:Pachylemur
59:Marasuchus
33:Marasuchus
3953:Smokeybjb
3927:based on
3880:Smokeybjb
3833:Smokeybjb
3804:Smokeybjb
3764:Smokeybjb
3715:Eusuchian
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3267:Smokeybjb
3262:Meiolania
3232:Smokeybjb
3162:Smokeybjb
3097:Recon of
2617:Smokeybjb
2613:rhinarium
2482:Babakotia
2415:Smokeybjb
2394:Tambachia
2129:Smokeybjb
2073:Smokeybjb
1990:Smokeybjb
1948:Smokeybjb
1900:Smokeybjb
1873:Fedexia:
1740:Smokeybjb
1702:Smokeybjb
1651:Smokeybjb
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1553:Smokeybjb
1514:versions?
1467:Smokeybjb
1352:Smokeybjb
1320:Smokeybjb
1285:Drawing:
1243:Smokeybjb
1235:annotated
1209:Noles1984
1166:Smokeybjb
1088:Smokeybjb
1052:drawing:
938:Babakotia
883:Smokeybjb
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823:Babakotia
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728:Smokeybjb
680:with the
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648:Babakotia
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392:Babakotia
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74:Smokeybjb
3995:FunkMonk
3929:skeletal
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2294:FunkMonk
2232:N. nanus
2206:FunkMonk
1755:Dinoguy2
1718:Dinoguy2
1632:Dinoguy2
1601:Breviora
1586:FunkMonk
1572:Dinoguy2
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1483:FunkMonk
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1338:FunkMonk
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932:Bradypus
604:FunkMonk
418:FunkMonk
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3941:diagram
1943:Fedexia
1938:Fedexia
1893:Fedexia
1869:Fedexia
1603:article
1124:"range"
1113:"Range"
873:Science
722:Here's
678:Aye-aye
579:Here's
450:Update:
3976:Ag.Ent
3925:Sketch
3637:Sketch
3465:Also,
3343:Done.
2534:koalas
1694:Nature
1194:Kevmin
1150:Kevmin
3568:scale
3031:scale
2941:talk
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2815:talk
2745:talk
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2224:N. sp
2120:would
2098:Conty
2059:Conty
1885:Conty
1863:Conty
1835:Conty
1808:Conty
1239:image
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1082:than
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