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She pointed out some factual mistakes, which I've now fixed. She also said that although the article is heavily influenced by somewhat older scholarship (Newcomb 1980), it is generally suitable for a general encyclopedia. She expressed some hesitancy over citing Yarris, which I previously found
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It seems like the
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The additions look great, thanks Jo-Jo! I recall working on this for a bit but stepping back due to time commitments. Hopefully I can look throughout it more next week... am thinking that the biggest issues right now are source
References formatting and the rather poor lead.
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Ferrera court and practically none in comparison for the equivalent ensembles at Mantua, Florence, etc. Britannica's article is (surprisingly) a good model in this regard
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Ferrara, rather than a detailed analysis of the
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Began to work a bit with Stras. I am going to warn folks that since musicology is very far from my areas of knowledge/interest, I am perhaps not the person to ask for a proper due weight evaluation. I got as far as p.167 in Stras. I've asked at
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Music section has been rewritten/reorganized; new paragraph added to the new "background section". At this point, the Roster and duties, as well as influence sections just need some touch ups—though more so on the former section.
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Scholar. There are some bits in the page source that need further thought.
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I just found a PDF. If you email me I can send it to you.
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have you finished what you wanted to do with this yet.
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1271:I've given a go at rewriting the lead.
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