Knowledge

8963:- a tragedy given a famous reading by Hegel. I remember taking a train in the city, sitting down to read in anticipation of an hour-long trip, noting with a smile a young couple of kids smooching opposite, and burying myself in my book. Three stops down, the train pulled up at a station opposite a football ground - and the compartment was filled with drunken fans disappointed in their side losing that day. One of the group of 6, full as a bull's bum from an afternoon of beers but built like a brick shithouse, eyed enviously the boy smooching with his girlfriend, and without much ado, went over, grabbed him in a headlock and began punching him in the head. The girl screamed, the kid wept - and I, opposite, made the natural rapid calculation. If I intervene, there are five of his mates who will join and and beat the shit out of me. But one had no option - you can't watch passively as someone is mercilessly beaten or ill-treated. With a sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach, I reached out and caught his wrist as it drew back to land another punch. I won't recount the following 25 minutes,-a stand-off with me holding my grip while palavering to stop the other five from doing anything other than menacing me, but no other person of the 20 or so male adults in the carriage looked up from their newspapers. It's not that folks are generally unethical - it's that before acting according to their inner lights, they tend instinctively from a self-survival biological reflex to calculate their own interests. The banning of Fram in obscure circumstances created, for some, an ethical dilemma, and Floqueanbeam, Bishonen and WJBScribe essentially said that the high risk of silent complicity in the exercise of blind power gave them little option but to do what they did, challenge the higher body by overruling it. I expect that the assertion of secretive powers will automatically translate into a very small minority being compelled in conscience to desist from donating (I'm not a tenant on this property) their labour to a charitable institution. I know that a bureaucracy doesn't worry about marginal attrition, a number of analyses like your's will tell them it will have a negligible impact. That others see no problem, and just move on with their hobby is the normal reaction one would expect. And all this crisis of conscience because? because somewhere across the world a small board is obsessed by legislating to objectify what is a cultural variable, good manners, and enforce an Americanocentric code globally regardless of what communities elsewhere may, if they ever do, think. It is unlikely to step back because there is a question of 7464: 7245: 6817: 3778:. I was trying to think of what would be comparable numbers for arbcom, but it's hard to compare apples to apples. Looks like case request acceptance has been in the 10-20% range for the last few years, but we don't keep outcomes data like that for private complaints/requests/etc. I see in that chart a lot of stuff about who approves what in which order, but I wonder if the box where the actual investigation happens can be opened up a little more. What does an "investigation" consist of? What would the investigator look at? Assuming we're talking about a harassment case, would it include things like contacting other possible victims if you discover them, or asking the opinion of others who were affected by the problem behavior but who did not get in touch with T&S? Or is the decision about whether a particular behavior is harassing made by the person doing the investigation? Under what circumstances would a particular report be referred back to arbcom (or to community processes) rather than pursued internally? The chart tells us how WMF staff communicate internally about these things, but not about communication with or information-gathering from anyone other than the directly affected parties. (The table has a bit more, but to be honest I can't understand the "Dissemination of information relevant to the office action to specific groups" row at all. That's quite a mouthful, but since it's separate from the reporter and the affected user, I assume that means other interested parties, but "conduct warning" gets a checkmark for that one and "interaction ban" doesn't? Is that right?) 8884: 13452: 5883: 3148:"You have clearly misunderstood what I said. Nothing about "facilitating and guiding community consultations" even remotely implies that I think they should be "judge, jury, and executioner". I don't even know what chain of thought got you from one to the other. The point is that there are things we know to be true: there are very few admins created and while most people (the vast majority) think that's a problem, there is no consensus and no process towards consensus towards resolving that issue. It's a thankless task to take on and run a project to work through various options to find something that would get us to a better place - no one has stepped up to do that (a few have tried, and thank goodness for them). WMF community support people have done a great job on consultations around terms of service and so on - we do have some positive examples of how to do this right. It isn't about ramming things down people's throat - it's about taking on the hard job of listening and framing debate, convening real-life groups to work on issues, etc.-- 4108:"As far as the ability for others to avoid making mistakes and finding themselves unexpectedly sanctioned, unfortunately, we cannot publicly disclose details of this or any particular case, for all the reasons previously discussed. This means that, as much as we understand your wanting the information, we cannot tell you what specific behaviors by Fram brought about this action. We can, however, say that abiding by the ToU is required of everyone who edits a Wikimedia site. That includes refraining from behaviors described by the ToU, including “ngaging in harassment, threats, stalking, spamming, or vandalism”. In cases where we believe a user may not be aware that they are violating expected behavioral standards, even repeatedly, we give conduct warnings prior to any action being taken. In Fram’s case, as noted on Commons, we did send more than one of those warnings/reminders before the most recent step." 3131:"This is pretty accurate as a too-brief summary of the history. This is an edited version of the key sentences as I would put it myself: "Jimbo's goals then were for the community to be self-sustaining and self-governing such that it would fulfill its mission with less of his involvement as time went on. It was never a goal for the WMF to have any sort of authority over or involvement in community or content decisions beyond the removal of libellous material and copyright violations and other limited actions for public safety of various kinds, which the WMF took on for reasons of compliance." And that isn't the whole of it really, I would also argue that the WMF can and should have a role of facilitating and guiding community consultations to help the community resolve sticky issues where there is a failing of process. Reading between the lines here, you can likely guess my view of the current situation.-- 14335: 8888:(in this case, Floquenbeam and Bishonen are acting as resisting lesser magistrates). Subversion is not allowable because honesty and truth are too valuable and lying is extremely wrong. In contrast, Hegelians tend to be more relativist and see honesty and truth as being at least somewhat compromised in the dialectic process, which will not resolve as long as history endures. One Kantian approach would be to let some of the other higher-ups deal with it, and to not take a position one way or another, or to just leave wikipedia and not think about it to maintain moral purity, maybe to go to a rival wikipedia website instead. Because in Hegelianism, "whatever is, is right," there can be a tremendous need to win, while in Kantianism maintaining your individual moral purity and establishing the truth is more important because what is right is determined through careful ethical analysis.-- 8224:- it sounds like this plan entails the WMF disclosing to Fram the names of those who reported him. I highly doubt they'll ever do that, unless the reporters themselves agree to it... whatever else may come out of this, the foundation's privacy policy for people who contact them will remain sacrosanct, and I would have thought rightly so. Other than that this may be a reasonable way forward if the WMF and Fram both buy into it, but let's not forget there are other avenues already being explored through Jimbo, DocJames and the board. As for Headbomb's point, I disagree. I've never really got into the discussions over language and tone before, and it offends me not at all, but we should be mindful that Knowledge has a diverse range of ages, genders, races, creeds and cultures, and if WMF enforce a stricter guideline on the tone we use then I for one won't be complaining. Thanks  — 9732: 2911:"I'd like to remind everyone that it is my long established view that all bans are appealable to me. I seldom intervene, even if I have some minor disagreement with a ban, because no major constitutional issues or errors are at stake. It is too early to know what is going on in this particular case, but please if anyone is planning to "fall on their sword" for principle, let it be me. But, I really don't think that will be necessary here. The WMF staff are diligent, thoughtful, and hard working. If an error has been made, I'm sure they will revert and work out procedures to make sure it didn't happen again. If the ban was justified, I'm sure they will find a way to make it clear to - at a minimum, if privacy issues play a role, to me, to the board, and to the Arbitration Committee. Therefore, dramatic action would not be helpful at the present time.-- 5980: 3199:"I will raise the issue. As you can imagine, I'm trying not to cause any additional problems by making any firm declarations of what I am and am not empowered to do in my traditional role in English Knowledge, but I can indicate that I share the view that I could do that - or should be able to do that. One reason we have kept some vestiges of a "constitutional monarch" system is precisely to have pressure relief valves for highly unusual situations. One reason I haven't tried to be forceful with it is that I don't believe in it as anything other than a safety mechanism. So long as other avenues exist for me to try to help everyone reach reconciliation and find a solution in which almost everyone says "we are now in a better place than we were when this whole mess started" - I'm going to try.-- 11925:? And other WMF officials are endorsing her? What kind of sad joke is this? I mean, that Tweet is not even as respectable as Trump Tweeting "fake news!" at an unfavorable story. The self-awareness is nonexistent. The professional competence is nonexistent. This is who we're trying to reason with? This is who's at the helm? Honestly, what's the point? This kind of shameful public conduct isn't tolerated in any professional field, at any level. I mean, seriously, a fast food chain wouldn't even tolerate this from an acne-faced shift manager. It really is stunning that the WMF Executive Director is not held and does not hold herself to even a basic standard of civility, maturity or professionalism in the public eye, particularly as the staff purports to hold Knowledge to a higher standard. 9075: 7095: 8919: 14480: 5336:- A reasonable compromise that will allow everyone to walk away having made their point and learned something: The WMF needs to understand that enforcing smiles and sunshine with an iron fist is not going to work here. We've adopted a culture of communication- and it's served us well- that forthright language, for the sake of the actual article contents, is welcome and expected. Handing out arbitrary and capricious bans to alter that culture ultimately will not work. All you'll accomplish is to lose a lot of good editors and make everyone hate you. At the same time, fixating on certain editors and their (admittedly dubious) edits can border on cruelty even if that's not the intent. Admins and rank-and-file editors can definitely work on our approach there. 3267:"Indeed. We've made it abundantly clear. I ask everyone who sees fire to try to soothe people. This is going to go the right way. My own personal view is that drama never helps, but making it clear (through strikes/retirements) that something is unacceptable is a totally respectable and useful way to move the needle in an important way. "There's a giant flame war on the Internet" never really makes a dent. "Our best administrators are writing essays about why this is wrong, and many of them have indicated they will quit" makes a big dent. Also: "The good people protesting are not, for the most part, defending bad behavior. They are asking the WMF to consider how this action undermines our efforts to improve behavior" is helpful." 8938: 5583:, not as a satisfactory solution, but as a start. As for the perceived problem of #2, regarding identifying those allegedly aggrieved editors: we can be pretty certain at this point that there aren't any. We know of exactly one case of somebody who complained to the foundation about harassment (no secrecy, because she said so herself); we know that the foundation took that complaint at face value; we know they were wrong in doing so because in fact there was no harassment. Per Occam's razor, there is no reason whatsoever to assume there are any more genuine complainants, at least none whose complaint would be seriously enough to warrant a demand for privacy, or if there are, their complaints are just as wrong as the first. 7779: 5735: 7278:. I cannot endorse this degree of extension of good faith to Trust and Safety or the WMF as a whole after these events and their statements. Nor can I agree to muzzling anyone's criticism of Arbcom, or to going against an RfC that explicitly recognized our right to say "fuck" on-wiki. There are governance issues here, but also classism issues and an abundant assumption of bad faith on the part of the WMF and some of its defenders. I cannot endorse anything that endangers individual editors by endorsing their treatment as pawns, or as subjects without rights. ArbCom has been bad enough in this respect, but at least we can seek to remedy wrongs done by ArbCom. 6710:- that is a ridculous all or nothing argument. Firstly, we're not saying revoke the standard areas of WMF ban-control. Secondly, the WMF is free to amend their ToS however they wish, once legal requirements are met. We argue that they have no other ownership than legal - which is not the be all and end all. We have various methods to act against them, and it makes no sense not to at least consider their usage. It's like telling employees at a company who don't like management's actions that their only option is to create a startup. This suggested solution may well be wrong - but it doesn't lead to (all of) your statement's logical conclusions. 5213:. Let me be clear. I am NOT happy if this is the outcome. This leaves unresolved major questions involving COI, the communities trust in the WMF, and how we prevent similar scenarios from re-occuring. I will note that point 5 is insufficient, and also the most important one here. The foundation exists to serve the community, and that relationship must be respected, or we're wasting each others time. That said, this is a compromise negotiation and a good compromise makes everyone unhappy, so even though I'd have liked to see the result include a more major wakeup call to the WMF, I can hold my nose and accept this. 592:, and why is it simultaneously so urgent it needs to be done instantly without discussion, but so unproblematic it expires after a year? "We're the WMF, we can do what we like" may be technically true, but the WMF only exists on the back of our work; absent some kind of explanation this looks like a clear-cut case of overreach. As Floq says, if there's an issue here that can't be discussed publicly then fine, but given the history of questionable decisions by the WMF I'm not buying it unless and until I see a statement from Arbcom that they're aware of the circumstances and concur with the actions taken. ‑ 9411:"I don't believe Laura Hale has had anything directly to do with this" and pigs might fly. Given the only evidence given to Fram so far by the T&S team points to his interactions with her previously as a causitive factor for the ban. We all know the reason why T&S have no wish for Arbcom to get involved, it is because arbcom (despite its many flaws) will take a look at all editors in a dispute/complaint and judge actions by their context. And that basic principle of fairness is directly at odds to T&S and certain editors ideological totalitarian approach to dealing with those not of the body. 3488:"However, in the hopes of avoiding any future issues and in the spirit of Laura’s own request on her talk page, we would like to ask that you refrain from making changes to content that she produces, in any way (directly or indirectly), from this point on. This includes but is not limited to direct editing of it, tagging, nominating for deletion, etc. If you happen to find issues with Laura’s content, we suggest that you instead leave it for others to review and handle as they see fit. This approach will allow you to continue to do good work while reducing the potential for conflict between you and Laura. 2688: 7178: 5926:'s two possibilities, I'd guess somewhere in the middle: they cannot have been quite so unaware as to think there would be no response, but obviously they didn't anticipate anything like the extent of it. Myself, I think the extent of it is not just because of the action itself or T&S in general, but the skepticism of all WMF actions focussed on the enWP, such as superprotect, or VE, or Flow--all of which derived from other elements of the Foundation than T&S. This may not have been obvious to T&S, who are devoted to a particular set of problems, not to problems generally. 1494:, I don’t see any recent suppressed contributions that raise red flags. I don’t know any more than anyone else other than “Yes, this was intentional, and yes, it looks valid” from people who are generally sensible. Of the WMF departments, T&S is usually one of the most sensible. My objection here is that I know they’re pretty sensible because I’ve worked with them in the past on other things and trust them. Most en.wiki users don’t know that T&S is any different than and so communicating with the local ArbCom so at least some name recognition here could say they know why. 1430: 9138: 5905: 3656: 9191: 7449: 3890:, we know what happens when volunteers cross the line and become salaried employees (or contractors). In 2013 one was desysoped for particularly egregious behaviour, right in the middle of an outgoing ED's valedictory speech at a Wikimania in which she was presenting a prerecorded video that specifically praised the individual's work (the surpressed sniggers in the lecture theatre were audible). Needless to say, although the community called for it, that individual was not sacked from their paid job. I am reminded of this recent comment by 2962:"Yes, I'm firmly recommending that we all relax a notch or two. It's not even 9am in California. There is no emergency here. I have raised the issue with the WMF, and so has Doc James. I am also talking to ArbCom. It is really important that we not take actions to escalate conflict - nor are such actions necessary. If there comes a need for a time for the community to firmly disagree with the WMF and take action, then that time is only after a proper reflection on the full situation, with everyone having a chance to weigh in.-- 14641:, It may not be an IBAN violation by the traditional definition. The WMF told Fram "we would like to ask that you refrain from making changes to content that she produces, in any way (directly or indirectly), from this point on. This includes but is not limited to direct editing of it, tagging, nominating for deletion, etc." This is a special sanction the WMF cooked up. I wonder if we could ask T&S if they used this diff in justification of the 1 year ban. I guess there's no chance they would ever answer that though. 8239: 397: 994: 8781: 10706:. Knowledge, now a recognizable treasure of civilization, changes the world for the better at an accelerating rate. In 2024, give or take a year or three, when the members of the Nobel Peace Prize committee fully analyze the effect our project has had, and will continue to have, on every person, household, and the historical advancement of knowledge and ethics it provides to every corner of the Earth, the recognition of Knowledge and Wikipedians will be an obvious and easy choice. 84: 6214:. Fram is in general factually correct, even when his attitude gets in the way on occasion. I highly dislike the Foundation meddling in the community. We must have communication, it would have been better for the person who was feeling harrassed to find a third party to approach Fram and ask if this is the case. Corrections can hurt and feel like harrassment, even if they are not. That's why it is so important to keep a respectful tone, and to assume no bad intentions. -- 3564: 2945:"I'd like to remind you that it is not even 9am in California. I think it quite clear that unblocking before they've had a chance to even get into the office will simply serve to escalate matters. I suspect that Fram himself would agree that there is no emergency. Rather than cloud the waters and make it even harder (emotionally) for a backdown (if such is warranted - we don't know yet!), it will be best to take the high road and wait until a more appropriate time.-- 9934: 4123: 3598: 3542: 3515: 3419: 3392: 3365: 3328: 2731: 2638: 2419: 246: 3111:"We on the board are in active conversations. I think you will receive a comprehensive, cogent reply, but we are looking to be thoughtful, reflective, to examine every aspect of this, and neither allow invalid precedent to be set, nor to set invalid precedent. The best way to avoid a bad outcome is to look to first principles, look at what has gone wrong, and to propose a process for healing but also for building a process that works better in the future. 3665: 10687: 5149:. On the point of "these people", I would also request the WMF explain what training/education is given to members of the team. Having former editors among them is a great idea, but what steps have been added to get them to the point from being an ordinary editor to such a crucial and sensitive role. (And globally it's an increasingly high-profile and important one, given the same type of departments popping up in Facebook, Twitter, etc). - 8356: 4056:? Regardless of the (HNMCP)'s recommendations and that the community should absolute see to strengthening those boards in-house, noticeboards are generally a good first stop, help to get more eyes on a situation and prevent a single editor who is working unilaterally from becoming overly frustrated and from being subjected to "anecdotal" stories. Again, if the question is not something you're able to answer, I'll understand fully. 1882:... "excessive monetisation of the site (a plan to put links to a booking engine on every page was one example) and the poor and worsening technical support offered by the site's owners" is given as the main reason. So maybe a sort of ongoing low-level constitutional crisis? The trouble is, it hasn't really worked. Last time I checked Wikitravel always appears way further up the Google hits than WV, and has more daily edits.  — 2477:, less intrusive office actions were introduced. Those options include time-limited and partial (project-specific) bans to address serious concerns that are, however, temporary or project-specific in nature. For example, if a user has been problematic on one project in particular while contributing without concerns to another community wiki, this can now be addressed in a more targeted way than a full Foundation global ban. 8588: 6597:. Blofeld was a solid editor. Like most WP editors, his later work was better than his earlier efforts. Fram, however, became obsessed about edits dating back a decade, mostly close paraphrasing more than straight plagiarism, and it perfectly illustrates Fram’s obsession about people who violate his personal guidelines. Just because he may be technically right doesn’t grant him carte blanche to hound people like he did. 5196:- Not as rough-and-tough an outcome as I would prefer, which would involve a unilateral retreat of WMF from matters that are not within their purview followed by some sort of internal penalty against those WMF employees who threw gasoline on the fire in the first place; but, all things considered, probably the best outcome we can hope for at this juncture, given the incredibly weak performance of the WMF Board and Arbcom. 6770:, WMF can, I suppose, tell us that they have laid down the law, and we should go fork ourselves. And how would that affect WMF's projects? Is it really in their best interests to encourage their most productive contributors to go and form a competing website? (Hint: no.) The fact that WMF has the legal right to assert their rights of ownership does not mean that it is sensible, practical, or ethical for them to do so. -- 9113:: There are a lot of users that WMF will never convince -- people who has a strong distrust for the WMF in general, people who don't think the WMF should ever supersede community process, people who don't think there's any reason to ever keep things private, people who worry about themselves if WMF is starting to issue blocks for long-term behavioral problems, etc. But there are also a lot of people you 4543:- The main issue here is the question of whether and where our policies are deficient, and that is something the ArbCom is best equipped to figure out (as this may well require assessing past cases where private communications were involved). That said, such an ArbCom case should stick to fact-finding on this subject and interpreting that as much as possible to make recommendations to the community. — 9083: 3029:"To be clear, to the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any direct requests by board members to line workers through middle management here. Certainly, James and I are speaking to the board and CEO, not attempting to intervene at that level at all. The board should only operate at the level of broad principles and through the top management, not detailed management of specific issues.-- 4612:: if and when an editor with an instance of problematic editing such as WP:CopyVio is identified, en-WP admins and editors – including Fram – may scrutinize other edits of that editor. WMFOffice accepts that this is neither stalking nor evidence of hostility or harassment, rather such efforts are in good faith and necessary to maintain or improve the "Quality and Reliability" of the en-WP. 9833: 3899: 14393: 8547:, with the email explicitly noting that it was part of a repeated pattern continued after the past warning. One example diff - likely the least relevant example diff, even, since the worst diffs likely had to be hidden to protect the reporter - does not mean that's "the offending comment that triggered his ban". You are trying to apply the ToU and determine whether it applies to 11996:. K. Maher has worked for Knowledge's benefit for years, and giving her the business because of a quickly worded probably off-the-cuff tweet does throw more unneeded fuel on this campfire. She'll answer at some point, and Jimbo is probably going to have to step in to take command of this entire situation soon, but we should all be reminded that this is all inside-baseball. 10702: 7160: 8593: 6483: 3866: 2894:"I can assure you that my commitment to, and support of, appropriate principles and our established constitutional order is far far more important than any personal conflict that I may have ever had with anyone. I'm not taking any position on this yet, because the reasonable thing to do is to listen to all sides calmly and come to an understanding of the issues.-- 3862: 3250:"The Board met yesterday to work on a full statement about this. It's not easy getting to consensus with a large group, but overall I think people are going to be happy with the statement and with the things we are asking the WMF staff to do going forward. As one board member wasn't present, we decided to give a bit more time so that we can get to unanimity.-- 3094:" I wasn't trying to contrast or compare the necessity/valuation of the WMF with the community at all. I agree with you that they aren't easily separable, and I also believe that when we fall into a too hasty 'WMF vs community' narrative - either in the community, or in the WMF, we are probably making it harder to see how to optimize and resolve problems.-- 4087:, you have provided some background about the position you hold in the WMF. Basically admitting that you are in charge of T&S but are not aware of what goes on there. Perhaps you could let Arbcom and the community know who your immediate superior is. It might help towards establishing lines of responsibility and communication for the future. 1833:- there is one other step we've seen before. In the wake of the Superprotect saga, and the failure of the Community board members to act, all three were replaced. But before we get that far, and waiting on T&S' "we can't tell you anything for your own good" - perhaps we reach out both to community liasions and to our board members? 3182:"Without commenting at this moment on any of the rest of it, I can say that I do not know, and don't personally consider it particularly relevant or interesting, whether legal was consulted beforehand. I don't think legal is the right avenue for any of us to be thinking about how to improve things in this or in related circumstances.-- 6344:, it must be responsible to maintain conduct. Any paid organizational maintenance of TOU should be as narrow and as transparent as possible. The methods and interpretations T&S has taken upon itself is harmful to the editing environment and should be developed further within the editing community, not the serving bureaucracy. The 5664:. Seems a perfectly reasonable compromise. If the WMF had just said "it's a private matter, we can't talk about it" and issued an indefinite ban, then I would assume something Really Bad happened, but since that isn't what WMF did, their explanation has been highly lacking. WMF should admit that it was an overreach and move on. 3440:. My experience of this sort of cross-wiki communication with a single-project banned user is that it can get out of control, so it should be minimised (but it is still important to keep an eye on what is being said). This is particularly important in this case, because the head of the WMF's T&S team have said they will enact a 12133: 8625:. The original email to Fram did not cite ToU violations. The WMF basically never cites ToU violations for office actions, because such statements could open them up to defamation lawsuits, theoretically. I know of one that is making its way through federal district court now, and it will probably be dismissed with prejudice 8400:. You're tempting me to argue the other side to my intended thrust, that the way forward should not require a resolution of the Fram question. I think the resoltuion need only deal with the process of WMF bans, the scope of WMF-only decisions, Community (inc. ArbCom) only decisions, and where there may be overlap. I think 7386: 9312: 12825:: No, I am being entirely serious. Quick question, before the incident with Fram, did you ever check her Twitter for updates about the Foundation? Because if you look at her timeline, I would think you'd stop going there for updates since she doesn't frequently post updates on it but rather her every day life. — 9164: 6673:. "Undo everything you've done, abdicate your duty/ability to enforce the Terms of Use, and don't do anything we don't like in the future, despite owning the site." This is not a compromise. It is a takeover. Fork the site if you disagree with the WMF enforcing the Terms of Use. That is your recourse. ~ 7597:- it's a Foundation with enormous responsibility, and we are simply volunteers doing whatever it is that motivates us to be here. There is nothing I'd like to see more than a harmonious community, but I am simply not convinced that the way we're going about it is the right way, much less the best way. 1745: 13513: 13007: 12992: 12363: 12288: 11835: 9750: 9716: 9701: 9171: 8759: 8661: 8247: 7688: 7618: 6482: 5510: 4348: 3994: 3865: 3792: 3752: 3650: 3493: 3448: 3345: 3299: 3009: 2687: 2379: 1632: 1398: 1216: 1156: 460: 432: 12542: 10701: 9107: 9027: 8958: 8937: 8587: 7998: 7951: 7463: 7448: 7385: 7177: 6816: 6130: 5071: 4859: 3980: 3959: 3563: 3065: 2387: 2383: 1744: 1668: 1596: 14545: 11942: 9731: 9621: 9082: 9078: 9074: 8918: 8432: 7244: 7094: 6929: 6885: 5882: 5839: 5816: 5551: 4723: 4164: 3988: 3861: 3735: 3622: 3571: 3068: 2117: 1034: 396: 14453: 14312: 13818: 13767: 13451: 12845: 12022: 11961: 10739: 10256: 9777: 9455: 9163: 9144: 9046: 8883: 8336: 8319: 8314: 8238: 7840: 7645: 7137: 6196: 5979: 5456: 5171: 4917: 3898: 3349: 1049: 886: 789: 527: 267: 14295: 13941: 13543: 11370: 10686: 9515: 9121: 8592: 8355: 7778: 7428: 5734: 4936: 4438:: I do admit that Headbomb has a point. However, having read through enough AN/I and AN threads with Fram's involvement, I'm sure that Fram can improve somewhat in terms of decorum. At least, I do hope so. Now, setting that point aside: I'd like to amend the proposed resolution to provide for the 2506: 1458: 1429: 1268: 1170: 14479: 14392: 9951: 9832: 8643: 8406: 7822: 6175: 4941: 4799: 4467: 14330:"shitty pseudo-thinkpiece" that "no one cares" about. That has nothing to do with Knowledge or the article. It was just a philosophical meta-commentary on Twitter culture. She knows she directly attacked it, but that has nothing to do with her intent. If she wanted to criticize the article, she 13668: 9989: 9547: 9440: 8187: 7919: 5904: 4140: 1323: 1171: 949: 14329: 12132: 9796: 9585: 9137: 8780: 7356: 6765: 6655: 6559: 3642: 12775: 2384: 14411: 950: 14334: 7623: 7159: 6904: 6508: 6135: 2012: 9190: 3672: 6935: 3664: 2611: 8578: 10079: 4724: 3113: 12083: 14607:, actually the Breitbart piece contains a very interesting clue to all of this. It appears Fram violated their WMF imposed IBAN on May 8, which leads me to assume the WMF saw it and banned for that violation (or someone brought it up to them), not any of the other possible complaints. 8433: 8320: 3499:"This decision has come following extensive review of your conduct on that project and is an escalation to the Foundation’s past efforts to encourage course correction, including a conduct warning issued to you on April 2018 and a conduct warning reminder issued to you on March 2019. " 461: 14509: 11070: 4629:. In my opinion, this focusses too much on the individual case, not on the general relationship between the foundation and the communities. But it might rebuild some bridges and de-escalate the situation to allow for a constructive dialogue. Thanks for a useful contribution, Brad! -- 3630: 3797: 411: 2979:"I continue to advise calm and slow movement. Further wheel warring will not be productive and will only tend to escalate matters further. I am recommending the same to WMF, as is Doc James. We are discussing the situation with them in the hopes of finding the right way forward.-- 1408: 2373: 1300:(where he's not banned) if he wants to make any public statement, and offered to cut-and-paste it across if he does. Technically that would be proxying for a banned editor, but I very much doubt the WMF wants the shit mountain banning Fram and me in the same week would cause. ‑ 4313: 3626: 2252:" camp - I cannot wrap my head around how or even why a veteran admin such as Fram was blocked by the WMFOffice.... I also find it slightly bizarre that the block only goes on for a year and not indef ? (Not that I want it indef but I just find it odd and somewhat pointless). – 8457:"Confidentially prevents WMF from sharing details with ArbCom", if true, with "violated the ToS", is the minimal sufficient statement I would ask them to give. Have they said that? If they say that, then the Fram ban comes of the table for the purpose of this discussion. -- 3793: 14454: 3638: 1338: 4148: 9145: 5612: 7002: 5166: 9586: 8315: 14355:-ish. When I make a mistake I own it but there is precious little owning here and if indeed we have misinterpreted the intent then perhaps that indicates the ED as being someone who is not fit to hold a post for which communication skills surely are a prequisite. - 9735: 9367: 6560: 4043: 1478:, given that it only affects en-wiki it must relate to en-wiki. I no longer have Magic Oversight Goggles, but can see nothing remotely problematic in Fram's contributions or deleted contributions in the past month; is there anything in the contributions of Fram (or 8755:"Overwhelming community condemnation"? This is just false, and a personal attack. Nice. I resigned from the Arbitration Committee for a variety of reasons, none of which included pressure from the community. Moreover, you are demonstrating plainly that you fail to 4144: 14573: 9751: 7624: 13226: 9351: 13481: 13847: 1611: 5566:), that might be an ask too far. So let's at least undo the damage the WMF have done, and then we can move on, but with a much more cautious eye on WMF, their behaviour and the various inter-relations in an attempt to avoid more such community devastation. 2368: 819: 14412: 7259: 13496: 12972: 12799: 3005: 2317: 2581: 202: 9441: 8476: 12556: 8519:, which was certainly uncivil, but not "harassment or abuse" as is defined by the ToU clause that is supposedly being enforced. So, yes, additional explanation beyond "see the ToU" is quite obviously needed, as it doesn't even seem applicable. 3681: 1847: 2558: 12432: 3575: 7937:, that's a highly bold and contentious statement from someone who has only made 3,400 edits in 12 years. You're going to need to come up with some very hard and compelling evidence if you want your vote and claims to be taken seriously. 9510: 4036: 3651: 2485: 1597: 192: 13008: 12270: 8188: 8243:, not the other way around. Yes, there needs to be dialog between the community and T&S, as well as between ArbCom and T&S. But a lot of that is already being initiated, and the proof will be in the proverbial pudding. WMF 3676: 13642:- it's true that the 460 editors who have weighed in here are only small subset of the community. But, how many singular issues in the community can even generate a response from 460 editors? According to Newyorkbrad, we have now 7796: 2333: 13466: 12543: 9067: 6176: 207: 197: 672: 14494: 4067: 13827: 12211: 10440: 9875: 8996: 4576: 11893: 9889: 4031: 14350: 8868: 8959: 2278: 8861: 6578: 14369: 9011: 7295:. Did Fram harass and abuse people? If the T&S thinks so, I trust their judgement. The identities of his victims should be protected, especially considering the utter vitriol that has been on display on this page. 13528: 4808:. And especially when the diff given as a main reason for their ban is telling ArbCom to "fuck off". A lot of editors have said that, many times, in many different ways. We don't ban them for it. And we never should. 1019:. As Fram's sysop access removal is not recorded as "voluntary", the way I see it is that a new RfA, after the prohibition period, would be the path to regaining admin access (outside of another WMF Office action). — 14118: 12977: 8471: 6531: 4860: 3817: 668: 173: 168: 161: 156: 151: 13243: 10606: 7869:, which for some reason is in a hidden archive?? I say it is high time the foundation stepped in and did something. If people want to strike or leave over this I say, that is your right and I'll wave as you leave. 642: 528: 144: 139: 134: 127: 122: 117: 110: 105: 100: 9817: 5476:- an ArbCom case is probably a good idea but is not a condition on my part (I don't think it's likely that one would not be filed). Encouraging actual communication and actual respect for the people involved on 4782:) 22:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC) Clarification: all I'm supporting here is the effort to work out a temporary truce. It's hard to keep up with everything. I'll come back to this after we hear from the Board. - Dank ( 11912: 10559: 282: 8141: 7344: 7329: 7315: 4152: 1151: 187: 2203: 12635: 10059:'s comment at the Fram case, that there is nothing further to be done by ArbCom on the affair; therefore, wrongly or rightly, WMF will reserve the right to conduct their own civility actions in the future. 7409: 5778:. I think that applies here. This is a good start. It may have to be tweaked along the way, there may be stumbling blocks, but it's a hell of a lot better than doing nothing and the best proposal we've got. 4508:(if I may, as I'm mainly active in German-language Knowledge and on Commons, so I don't feel wholly part of English-language Knowledge's community - although my first edits were made here, back in 2003 :-) ) 3046:" This is not about individual people, this is a question about our constitutional order. This is not about this specific situation, but a much more important and broader question about project governance.-- 10759: 3855: 831: 810: 14434:" (~1am EST 5/29) I have no idea where she tried, or what she has planned this afternoon (or what time zone she is in for "afternoon"). I haven't seen anything, but will reserve judgement for 24 hours. 9460: 7748: 3714: 13235: 2346: 13210: 9840: 9134: 7533: 4328: 3787: 2509: 1386: 1278: 1209: 771: 522: 2397: 2363: 1439: 686: 658: 13663: 13308: 13285: 12283: 12224: 12206: 9404: 9385: 9060: 8636: 7039: 5757:. Like before, this was not an emergency, this could have been resolved through communication. I've absolutely no trust in anyone who resorts to wheel-warring without even attempting to communicate. -- 3381: 2877:" Both Doc James and I are on the case, trying to understand what happened here, and the ArbCom is discussing it as well. Drama will not be necessary, but more importantly, drama will not be helpful.-- 2338: 2283: 2146: 1606: 1182: 780: 537: 391: 13039: 10815: 4077: 1710: 1577: 1044: 880: 478: 351: 326: 287: 12265: 9108: 8721: 8701: 2265: 1263: 12403: 12373: 9425: 9270: 8928: 4161:." Most of them come from the Knowledge communities, many from this community. They're not perfect, but they didn't accept jobs at the Foundation for the purpose of perpetrating a hostile takeover. 3807: 2194: 2180: 1985: 1025: 11716: 9007:, and that many people have criticised the WMF getting involved and overriding the community / Arbcom with no possible appeal, rather than Fram's actual conduct, I would like to see a guarantee of 4004: 3827: 3769: 2216: 2162: 1348: 1333: 1292: 1226: 14128: 12959: 12934: 12901: 11823: 11800: 11786: 11748:- do whatever you want. I merely wanted you to be informed. Maybe I should have pinged you after I found the list of people who publicly liked the tweet (this is public info on Twitter) including 11736: 11645: 9323: 8897: 13615: 13476: 10175: 9961: 9306: 7397: 3882: 3504: 2021: 1857: 1621: 1163: 845: 700: 14523: 13678: 13576: 13442: 13428: 13398: 12511: 11556: 11538: 11462: 10935: 10550: 4096: 2062: 2048: 1418: 1318: 1133: 985: 749: 14593: 13002: 12787: 12766: 12728: 12704: 12667: 11688: 11586: 11515: 11219: 11201: 6959:. I also agree that since this was done in such as way that caused a huge problem for relations between en.Wiki and the T&S team that further communication is necessary to repair the rift. 6617: 3969: 3623: 2322: 2308: 14260: 14200: 14054: 13720: 12427: 12184: 12009: 11664: 11377: 10715: 9984: 8277: 6804: 4165: 4018: 3691: 2099: 863: 14421: 14402: 14244: 14033: 13326: 12855: 12836: 12809: 12047: 12029: 11394: 10996: 10307: 10284: 10197: 10137: 9450: 9435: 9420: 9181: 8992: 2568: 1678: 1403: 1304: 1244: 14105: 13461: 12485: 12330: 12127: 11907: 11445: 11431: 11347: 11329: 11275: 11171: 11157: 10981: 10831: 10578: 10533: 10358: 10344: 10275: 9535: 8497: 7380: 6719: 6184: 6170: 3730: 3309: 3292: 3276: 3259: 3242: 3225: 3208: 3191: 3174: 3157: 3140: 3123: 3103: 3086: 3055: 3038: 3019: 2988: 2971: 2954: 2937: 2920: 2903: 2886: 2595: 2519: 1531: 1503: 1486: 663: 13802: 13139: 13106: 13088: 12645: 12142: 10842: 10696: 10435: 10417: 10396: 10232: 10074: 9827: 9696: 9678: 9492: 8948: 8878: 8849: 7012: 6779: 5506: 3697: 2239: 1958: 1646: 1589: 1468: 1453: 915: 794: 614: 551: 13777: 13758: 13737: 13491: 13021: 11876: 11846: 11365: 11127: 11021: 10788: 10769: 10750: 10086: 8266: 7763: 7737: 7723: 7698: 7683: 4602: 4591: 3560: 3461: 2553: 2474: 1739: 1719: 1663: 1251: 891: 14616: 14504: 14489: 14446: 14281: 14086: 14072: 13696: 12575: 12535: 12160: 11933: 11099: 10963: 10954: 10730: 10321: 9908:, close down the central place where people still want to talk about this and watch as dozens of discussions on dozens of pages are started. We still don't know how this will play out. -- 9812: 8136: 7568: 6760: 6746: 6698: 3931: 2085: 1585:, I was thinking something similar but that seems unlikely, as stewards have indicated that the ban was justified, and the wmfoffice account doesn't seem compromised, based on its edits. 1444: 406: 305: 14379: 14230: 13742: 13553: 13538: 13523: 13506: 13372: 12599: 12451: 12307: 12247: 12093: 12074: 11497: 10475: 10459: 10376: 10119: 7473: 5089:- Whether Fram's activity on the English Knowledge warrants action is something that needs to be address by the appropriate channels. WMF overstepped in attempting to circumvent that. - 3948: 2869: 2185: 1971: 1078: 506: 443: 421: 14650: 14633: 14463: 14141: 14019: 13995: 13960: 13932: 13837: 12987: 11318: 11300: 10312: 10104: 9662: 9362: 8976: 8466: 8448: 8416: 8387: 7920: 6431:, this whole situation seems to have been mishandled phenominally, and this is the only way that I can see forwrd without continuing to drive a wedge between the WMF and the community. 5072: 1842: 1786: 1754: 717: 13624: 12364: 12056: 11044: 10673: 10601: 10482: 10024: 10001: 9849: 9787: 9772: 8735: 8376: 8026: 8012: 6603: 6588: 4800: 3477: 2621: 1926: 1324: 956: 941: 734: 13263: 12551: 11059: 10638: 10611: 9653: 7147: 7132: 6976: 3912: 3841: 3736: 2034: 1657: 596: 576: 562: 14430: 14322: 9635: 9609: 9595: 9041: 8364: 7986: 7438: 6875: 1553: 278: 14364: 14171: 13119: 10153: 9917: 9563: 8815: 8789: 8771: 8675: 8652: 8605: 8562: 8527: 8337: 3858: 2813: 2666: 2539: 1891: 1821: 1109: 776:(moved from an) Holy shit, what? That’s insane. It appears that their admin rights have also been removed... can only wmf restore the rights, or will fram have to go through an rfa? 14555: 14343: 12626: 11077: 9745: 9726: 9711: 9505: 9249: 8163: 8121: 7961: 7946: 7268: 5264:. I am not happy with the communication or action from Trust & Safety so far, and this would restore my willingness to continue to perform administrative work on en Knowledge.- 3745: 2682: 2271: 1064: 11858:- my wording was too vague. I've never questioned that you are an advocate for free knowledge. What I meant is, you didn't say you were part of Wikimedia on your Twitter profile. 9338: 9288: 9071: 2443:, we investigate the need for an office action either upon receipt of complaints from the community, or as required by law. In this case we acted on complaints from the community. 1803: 433: 13867: 12038: 11252: 10499: 8102: 5840: 4338: 2711: 1637: 13026: 12112: 11982: 11952: 10053: 5002: 13978: 7227: 3165:"Yes, the ED is aware. The board is still discussing with each other and with staff. I'm a participant in this but not in a position to say when it will come to a conclusion.-- 2494: 5590: 3436: 7301: 1659:, but that seems unlikely here, and if there were some kind of misconduct going on, if it were at the level the WMF needed to intervene I'd expect the ban to be permanent. ‑ 14305: 13149: 7195: 4410: 3483: 8289:- The WMF has already claimed ownership of bat, ball, and the field - they aren't going to give any of it back. I'm sorry - really I am - but that's just the way it is. — 2802: 664: 14388: 14010: 11114: 9667: 5286: 3283: 2274: 6254: 5457: 5328: 3441: 3312: 3295: 2833: 2756: 10512: 9126: 6922: 6631:"Fram’s incivility has been longstanding and has affected multiple people" - Fram will be nicer is not really cutting it, they also have not agreed to be nicer anyways 5438: 4841: 2749: 6436: 5188: 4892: 13823: 12229: 7646: 5575: 4909: 12312: 7083: 3815: 3666: 3216:"I think of our constitutional arrangements as being very like those in the UK. A broad array of written and unwritten rules, policies, guidelines, and traditions.-- 2465: 11791: 9456: 6993: 6968: 6640: 6440: 6410: 5141: 4638: 4621: 4554: 3023: 2958: 2941: 2924: 2907: 2890: 10583: 8017: 7832: 7589: 6267: 6206: 5804: 5690: 4924: 4681: 3449: 12717: 11436: 9154: 7894: 7215: 6278: 5896: 5831: 5421: 5370: 5256: 4994: 4518: 2763: 11145: 9257:, Fram is communicating from Commons. Not sure about how he can edit en.wiki, given that T&S have threatened to impose a global-ban, shall he ever try that. 9095: 8834: 7911: 7877: 7655: 6423: 5874: 5787: 5607: 5239: 5081: 5019: 4885: 4664: 4481: 4250: 4231: 1522: 10006: 9966: 9895: 9142: 8999: 8516: 7510: 7287: 6795: 6547: 6524: 6474: 6381: 6357: 6003: 5954: 5766: 5394: 5222: 4977: 4812: 4715: 4462: 2779: 9202: 8331: 7554: 7492: 6997: 6945: 6332: 6315: 6223: 6117: 6081: 6012: 5656: 5115: 4850: 4829: 4568: 4498: 4377: 4358: 4271: 4214: 2408: 9022: 8257: 7637: 7458: 7187: 7031: 6985: 6566: 6369:. I'm not totally happy with #1 but at least it would be a path forward without further deteriorating the community and administrators' faith in the Office.-- 6140: 5726: 5673: 5543: 5158: 4985: 4535: 4199: 9626: 8346: 7811: 7577: 7254: 6849: 6731: 6684: 6457: 6298: 6060: 6033: 5971: 5849: 5639: 5520: 5494: 5304: 5270: 5205: 5063: 4877: 4753: 4184: 2847: 12656: 10037:+1. That is a decent article imho which captures the many sides of this affair without coming down heavily in any direction. I note from the just declined 9647: 9167: 8216: 8055: 7885: 7788: 7423: 7236: 5707: 5622: 4770: 4698: 4586: 4305: 3279: 10836: 8233: 7366: 7169: 6892: 6665: 5914: 5774: 5468: 5098: 4950: 4430: 4323: 2928:"I think you and I can both forecast that a wheel war will not serve as a useful introduction to a calm and reasonable discussion. Give it a little time.-- 10065: 7929: 7610: 7066: 7048: 6905: 6826: 5349: 5036: 4787: 4288: 648: 14535: 9226: 6496: 6263: 6098: 5937: 5406: 4732: 928: 14287: 13198:, or being accused of ill intent. I’d prefer the transparency of being held to account, and to leave it up, but that requires being taken at face value. 8306: 8088: 7850: 7660: 3669: 1945:. It would probably work even less here given that the English Knowledge is the world's 5th-(?)largest website and that any fork would likely fizzle. – 11966: 7104: 4102: 547:, I know you're heartily sick of my pinging you, but if ever there was a situation that needed an explanation from Commmunity Relations, this is it. ‑ 14206: 8664: 7335: 9687: 6913: 2453: 1142:. Without one, people will assume the worst, either about Fram, or the WMF. I'm ashamed to admit my mind already went to same place as Iridescent's. 235: 11840: 8437: 7858: 1094: 11356:, we may never know for sure. Perhaps one (or more) of the WMF staff members who "liked" it could share what they believed it was in reference to. 2791: 14624: 14622: 13763: 12652: 8093: 7022: 3974: 976:, they knew this would blow up. So waiting is inappropriate really, they should have already been in a position to respond immediately to this. 14213: 12609: 12434: 12290: 12230: 12057: 11472: 11414: 11413: 11283: 11258: 11067: 11027: 11004: 10621: 10584: 10561: 10442: 10290: 10258: 10007: 9967: 7846: 4385: 14093: 13186: 7689: 5378: 3580: 2770: 10850: 7430: 7415: 5740: 1763: 7429: 2297:. Accusing someone of being a sockpuppeteer without showing any hard evidence is at the least incivil and at the worst a sign of harassment. — 11282: 313:- Any clue about whether Fram's ban is the first exercise in implementing these or have other editors been subject to these P-bans, earlier? 8192: 7535: 6919: 6509: 2292: 1138: 1030: 876: 12889: 10778: 6652:. There seems to be mass amnesia where Fram is concerned, as the focus of their attentions were not simply at newbies, as is clearly shown. 6401: 3444: 2840: 14146: 12289: 10968: 9172: 4761: 3579: 3346: 13891: 6916: 3531: 3437: 3317: 1011: 11768: 8067: 5172: 3977: 2380: 11026: 10181: 9313: 7842: 4141: 2822: 13858: 7264: 3474: 2604: 1942: 567: 14432: 9923: 6248: 6056: 3587: 10426: 9600: 7506:) #1 is unacceptable. WMF has the right to deny service to anyone, just like any website or 24-hour diner. Parenthetically, while 3832: 12360: 11652: 9008: 2716: 10986: 11382: 10724:(e/c) It's more likely that this marks this end of Knowledge as we know it than for anyone involved to be getting a Nobel Prize. 6122: 5750: 1297: 13643: 11998: 3984: 12466: 10822: 10044: 6177: 12685: 3992: 2689: 222: 13645: 2627: 1012: 14582: 13949: 13885: 13652: 13565: 13417: 13361: 13297: 13133: 13077: 13062:- no no no! You will be accused of supporting a harasser and maybe even sexism. You will lose the optics war. It should be 12923: 12755: 12693: 12564: 12500: 12392: 12319: 11865: 11812: 11775: 11634: 11575: 11506: 11241: 11190: 10924: 10522: 8491: 6432: 6159: 5130: 2091: 1954: 677: 14666: 12356: 10811: 9941: 5434: 4130: 3605: 3549: 3522: 3426: 3399: 3372: 3335: 2738: 2645: 2426: 1905: 253: 8829: 8760: 7339: 7324: 7296: 7211: 7128: 6197: 5587: 4795:. In the end, regardless of what Fram has or hasn't done, this has been appallingly badly handled by T&S. Absolutely 3920: 1381: 14077: 12886: 10915: 7867: 7322: 364: 13921: 11478: 11003: 8991: 7728: 5366: 3408: 339: 12946: 9079: 5744: 4942: 3263: 3063:" If we characterize this as a clash between ArbCom and the WMF, we are factually in error. It's not as easy as that. 2230: 1035: 13514: 13037: 12263: 12204: 9684: 9383: 9304: 9268: 9058: 8699: 6543: 6520: 4741: 4660: 4443: 4408: 3757:. Unbeknownst to the community, X has already received two conduct warnings for WMF. How will WMF respond to this? -- 3445: 3002: 2853: 2388: 2178: 2142: 911: 859: 767: 640: 324: 7862: 5168: 513: 14198: 13753: 12423: 12279: 12220: 12180: 11660: 11493: 11390: 10412: 9433: 9360: 9020: 8997: 6376: 5950: 4457: 4415: 3765: 1572: 12913:- just because a source is perennial doesn't mean it is reliable (there are unreliable perennial sources), though 11086: 10367: 9469:. But if the complainer was who I think they are, it at least makes me believe that T&S acted in good faith. 6127: 2996:"Doc James and I have been pursuing this with diligence. I continue to recommend the following to everyone here: 2482: 14277: 12151: 12023: 11343: 11314: 6131: 4489: 3246: 3229: 3212: 3195: 3178: 3161: 3144: 3127: 3107: 3090: 3059: 3042: 2999: 2992: 2975: 2873: 2707: 1918: 755: 483: 10807: 8248: 6132: 5430: 2692: 2495: 293: 14224: 14190: 12620: 12445: 12385:- you're welcome. So, you asked on en.wiki, I asked on meta.wiki. Let's just see what replies she have for us. 12301: 12241: 12068: 11425: 11294: 11269: 11038: 11015: 10660: 10632: 10595: 10572: 10453: 10301: 10269: 10018: 9978: 9520: 9479: 8203: 7806: 7758: 7718: 7678: 6306:. Both sides need to relax, clear the air, and come up with a consensus solution. This is a good first step. -- 5584: 5539: 5282: 4112: 3678: 2447: 493: 17: 13915: 9232: 9004: 5747: 4472: 14255: 13472: 13281: 9807: 9673: 9530: 8272: 6340: 6242: 5487: 5313: 5060: 4872: 4597: 4549: 3354: 2462: 2461: 2303: 1482:, who the WMF have also ejected) that raises the slightest concern? (You obviously don't need to specify.) ‑ 1235: 1147: 13903: 13611: 9130: 8579: 4039: 1399: 13909: 13027: 12253: 12194: 9390: 9373: 9294: 9258: 9048: 8689: 7539: 7138: 5775: 4838: 4398: 4040: 2168: 1192: 630: 358: 331: 314: 13218: 10647: 9000: 7586: 5528: 292: 9559: 9393:, The way I would put it is that "everyone can edit" doesn't necessarily mean that "Everyone should edit" 9222: 8964: 8111:, if youd like NYBrad's comment changed you should ask him to change it instead of changing it yourself. 5179: 4889: 4426: 4397: 1922: 6556: 5630:- It's a way forward, beyond the "fork off or fuck off" mentality that some other people seem to have.-- 4169: 3859: 3233:"In the current situation, I think that the composition of the board is not a big part of the problem.-- 14519: 14398: 13897: 13049: 12369: 11210: 9957: 8156: 8081: 7376: 7311: 7079: 6613: 6398: 5753: 5571: 4905: 4208: 3783: 3687: 2549: 2044: 1981: 1853: 1617: 1414: 1314: 1288: 1240: 1074: 981: 827: 806: 11323: 6502: 5051: 1007: 14627: 13194: 11711: 11683: 11533: 10341: 10281: 8924: 8893: 6964: 6636: 6448:. This proposal is the most sensible contribution I have read anywhere in this whole extensive mess. 5278: 2027: 60: 14154: 8061: 4158: 3644: 3615: 3565: 1976: 647: 368: 363: 14588: 14250: 14124: 13955: 13879: 13658: 13571: 13468: 13423: 13367: 13303: 13277: 13128: 13083: 12955: 12929: 12897: 12761: 12699: 12570: 12506: 12398: 12325: 11871: 11818: 11796: 11781: 11732: 11640: 11581: 11441: 11247: 11196: 10930: 10528: 10171: 10115: 10070: 9802: 9668: 9525: 8486: 8267: 8175: 7828: 6406: 6390: 6236: 6165: 5136: 4634: 4617: 4592: 4544: 2298: 2235: 2095: 1950: 1143: 589: 13710: 13683: 9311: 8629: 8407: 4389: 3069: 342:; the timing of those dewiki bans suggests the policy was put into place to ban those two people. 14249: 10886: 9885: 9548: 9524: 9446: 9416: 9091: 8874: 8821: 7890: 7607: 7207: 7124: 6910: 6800: 6202: 5800: 5743: 5686: 4677: 4073: 3272: 3255: 3238: 3221: 3204: 3187: 3170: 3153: 3136: 3119: 3099: 3082: 3051: 3034: 2984: 2967: 2865: 2814: 2586: 2515: 1674: 1376: 1344: 1329: 1274: 1202: 1069: 855: 763: 544: 518: 12412: 9518: 9241: 8127: 5754: 1963: 1724: 14441: 14375: 14100: 14015: 13990: 13674: 13549: 13519: 13487: 13438: 13394: 12851: 12805: 12480: 12156: 11544: 11459: 11452: 10545: 10227: 9834: 8688: 7907: 7902: 7874: 7859: 7733: 7694: 7651: 5891: 5826: 5503: 5418: 5362: 5252: 5174: 4990: 4886: 4778:, with the disclaimer that I haven't been able to keep up with all the relevant pages. - Dank ( 4514: 3467: 2393: 2357: 1499: 1464: 1435: 713: 682: 655: 11142: 4366: 1809: 465: 14551: 14515: 14394: 14238:, the article turned out well, so apparently your information was helpful and well-received. 14029: 12998: 12831: 12782: 12723: 12662: 12413: 12380: 12365: 11552: 11511: 11361: 11215: 11167: 11153: 10909: 10871: 10784: 10746: 10372: 10317: 9953: 9763: 9197: 8326: 8179:"I am angry" in a "calm collected manner" can be in many situations much less effective than 8132: 7392: 7372: 7307: 7283: 7075: 7008: 6756: 6715: 6694: 6609: 6537: 6514: 6394: 5869: 5784: 5736: 5603: 5567: 5235: 5077: 5010: 4901: 4656: 4477: 4373: 4246: 4227: 4154: 4084: 4063: 4012: 3927: 3849: 3803: 3779: 3775: 3707: 3683: 3305: 3288: 3015: 2950: 2933: 2916: 2899: 2882: 2703: 2545: 2335: 2319: 2280: 2138: 2040: 1977: 1849: 1838: 1633: 1613: 1602: 1410: 1310: 1284: 1236: 1177: 1070: 977: 907: 841: 822: 802: 730: 610: 533: 53: 14500: 14459: 14196: 14167: 14082: 13773: 13749: 13733: 13716: 12420: 12276: 12217: 12177: 12089: 12043: 12005: 11706: 11678: 11657: 11528: 11490: 11387: 11207: 11139: 10977: 10711: 10643: 10506: 10466: 10431: 10408: 10391: 9431: 9399: 9358: 9018: 8920: 8889: 8543: 8253: 7488: 6960: 6941: 6775: 6632: 6470: 6373: 6353: 6275: 6000: 5947: 5762: 5389: 5218: 4968: 4809: 4711: 4453: 4000: 3823: 3762: 3457: 2695: 1779: 1732: 1703: 1642: 1527: 1040: 877: 651: 572: 556: 474: 384: 46: 12892:, as designated in 2019. Why does this crisis keep self-perputating at very opportunity? 11674: 11527: 11138: 10209: 9792: 6593: 5681:. It's refreshing to hear such a calm, reasonable, respectful, and compromising proposal. 3981: 3655: 2526: 2039: 8: 14577: 14485: 14273: 14120: 14115: 14068: 14060: 14047: 13944: 13874: 13791: 13726: 13647: 13560: 13412: 13356: 13292: 13265: 13254: 13246: 13237: 13229: 13220: 13212: 13200: 13188: 13177: 13123: 13120: 13072: 13017: 12951: 12941: 12918: 12908: 12893: 12750: 12688: 12559: 12495: 12387: 12352: 12314: 12170: 11860: 11830: 11807: 11792: 11770: 11743: 11728: 11724: 11629: 11570: 11437: 11339: 11310: 11305: 11236: 11185: 11120: 11093: 10969: 10919: 10867: 10765: 10517: 10191: 10167: 10133: 10111: 10066: 9913: 9845: 9177: 9147: 8972: 8666: 8481: 8478: 8462: 8412: 8342: 8022: 7982: 7824: 7633: 7469: 7454: 7183: 7027: 6981: 6402: 6328: 6311: 6219: 6154: 6114: 5652: 5125: 5111: 4846: 4825: 4630: 4613: 4564: 4493: 4354: 4265: 3741: 3643: 2440: 2231: 2081: 2054: 1946: 1914: 1449: 1261: 602: 439: 417: 402: 347: 301: 67: 5380: 2803: 1562: 39: 14646: 14612: 14239: 13620: 13457: 12024: 11903: 11372: 11324: 10991: 10901: 10837: 10827: 10656: 10251: 10206: 10081: 9881: 9475: 9442: 9412: 9168: 9087: 8941: 8870: 8842: 8816: 8731: 8671: 8199: 8114: 7886: 7803: 7755: 7715: 7675: 7628: 7573: 7250: 7198: 7115: 6842: 6796: 6198: 6123: 5796: 5721: 5682: 5669: 5533: 5445: 5154: 5043: 4919: 4673: 4531: 4192: 4069: 3891: 3878: 3813: 2662: 2511: 1866: 1670: 1391: 1371: 1361: 1340: 1325: 1270: 1193: 851: 759: 583: 514: 489: 31: 5382: 850: 14435: 14417: 14371: 14318: 14301: 14094: 14011: 13984: 13863: 13853: 13798: 13692: 13670: 13637: 13545: 13515: 13483: 13434: 13405: 13390: 13338: 13102: 12847: 12820: 12801: 12641: 12531: 12490: 12467: 12462: 12152: 12138: 11456: 10950: 10692: 10539: 10471: 10354: 10214: 9823: 9722: 9692: 9658: 9631: 9605: 9591: 8885: 8229: 8050: 8008: 7942: 7903: 7870: 7784: 7729: 7690: 7647: 7547: 7515: 7434: 7419: 7232: 6901: 6900: 6584: 6453: 6294: 6050: 6029: 5967: 5923: 5884: 5845: 5818: 5635: 5516: 5490: 5415: 5358: 5266: 5248: 5201: 5056: 4986: 4868: 4749: 4510: 4180: 4092: 3944: 3908: 3572: 2834: 2757: 2678: 2617: 2564: 2389: 2349: 2212: 2190: 2158: 1887: 1750: 1715: 1536: 1495: 1475: 1460: 1431: 1222: 709: 678: 652: 13252: 10740: 9801: 7619: 6152: 4918: 2750: 2070: 2030:(you need to scroll down to reach T&S); pick one you think looks trustworthy. ‑ 14604: 14566: 14547: 14360: 14025: 13534: 13502: 13353: 13012:, and I do not see how another 357 e-mails, tweets and pings would do any better.-- 12994: 12826: 12777: 12739: 12718: 12674: 12657: 11805: 11548: 11522: 11507: 11357: 11211: 11178: 11163: 11149: 11111: 10779: 10741: 10668: 10368: 10313: 9756: 9521: 9487: 9193: 8401: 8321: 8211: 8128: 8098: 7387: 7362: 7279: 7224: 7165: 7004: 6871: 6855: 6752: 6726: 6711: 6690: 6661: 6533: 6510: 6420: 6366: 5861: 5779: 5703: 5618: 5599: 5552: 5231: 5073: 5003: 4766: 4694: 4647: 4581: 4473: 4301: 4240: 4223: 4025: 3965: 3936: 3923: 3799: 3301: 3284: 3268: 3251: 3234: 3217: 3200: 3183: 3166: 3149: 3132: 3115: 3095: 3078: 3047: 3030: 3011: 2980: 2963: 2946: 2929: 2912: 2895: 2878: 2861: 2129: 1834: 1816: 1652: 1598: 1586: 1173: 1002: 936: 898: 837: 786: 777: 726: 606: 529: 501: 279: 9275: 7709:, and not to anything the above "response" addresses. I thought that was obvious. 1879: 14496: 14474: 14455: 14265: 14235: 14191: 14163: 14078: 14051: 13974: 13769: 13745: 13729: 13712: 13346: 12417: 12273: 12214: 12174: 12085: 12039: 12001: 11654: 11487: 11384: 11183:- this is a serious issue, I think we should go straight to the WMF CEO on this. 11051: 10973: 10851: 10804: 10707: 10427: 10404: 10386: 10148: 10126: 10099: 9783: 9741: 9707: 9685: 9580: 9555: 9426: 9394: 9353: 9216: 9013: 8993: 8249: 8003: 7957: 7925: 7819: 7601: 7565: 7551: 7528: 7484: 7061: 7044: 6994: 6956: 6937: 6834:. I really expected a smarter solution from you than "ask people to be nicer". 6822: 6771: 6466: 6370: 6349: 6271: 5981: 5944: 5910: 5758: 5463: 5383: 5214: 5094: 4959: 4707: 4449: 4422: 4334: 4319: 3996: 3837: 3819: 3759: 3647:, whether to include individual public office actions, which is more complicated. 3453: 2275: 2059: 2031: 1772: 1725: 1716: 1696: 1660: 1638: 1582: 1567: 1523: 1491: 1483: 1400: 1301: 1089: 1036: 953: 923: 888: 791: 696: 593: 568: 548: 470: 375: 284: 11762: 9717: 7357: 7143: 7100: 1941: 14638: 14630: 14481: 14352: 14269: 14064: 13320: 13184: 13097: 13013: 13009: 12593: 12113: 11948: 11335: 11306: 11234: 11115: 11072: 10875: 10761: 10725: 10664: 10202: 10186: 10129: 9909: 9841: 9483: 9282: 9173: 9035: 8968: 8458: 8427: 8408: 8371: 8338: 8298: 8207: 8150: 8075: 8018: 7978: 7629: 7590: 7465: 7450: 7179: 7023: 6977: 6649: 6598: 6573: 6561: 6324: 6307: 6215: 6110: 6069: 6009: 5648: 5343: 5107: 5032: 4842: 4821: 4783: 4779: 4560: 4490: 4350: 4284: 4260: 4209: 4045: 3737: 2860:"I was entirely unaware of this before just now. I'm reviewing the situation.-- 2699: 2533: 2253: 2077: 1969: 1906: 1801: 1563: 1445: 1252: 1127: 747: 497: 435: 413: 398: 343: 335: 310: 297: 11547:, egging on our model of wikipedia etiquette. I'm not outing anyone, right? -- 6751: 6045: 3921: 2764: 1808: 1017: 218: 14642: 14608: 14183: 14137: 14059: 13928: 13833: 13616: 13453: 13342: 13334: 12983: 12947: 12882: 12117: 12116:, I hope this will be a topic of conversation at a future Board meeting... ~ 11899: 11055: 10905: 10823: 10652: 10495: 9991: 9623: 9542: 9471: 8761: 8756: 8727: 8711: 8667: 8573: 8552: 8508: 8438: 8397: 8377: 8195: 8108: 7798: 7750: 7710: 7670: 7569: 7246: 6835: 6790: 6736: 6705: 6674: 6594: 6491: 6485: 6181: 6147: 6137: 6094: 5933: 5717: 5665: 5560: 5529: 5150: 4728: 4527: 4053: 4049: 3887: 3874: 3722: 3074: 3070: 2658: 2114: 1158: 1101: 1020: 485: 83: 11353: 4037: 2780: 2128:, site administration acting this tyranically would be a forkable offense. — 14413: 14314: 14297: 14158: 13859: 13849: 13794: 13688: 13170: 13098: 13070:(the most relatable). No FRAM, please, no one out there knows who Fram is. 13057: 12681: 12637: 12527: 12464: 12134: 11087: 10960: 10946: 10890: 10688: 10608: 10467: 10350: 9819: 9718: 9688: 9654: 9627: 9616: 9601: 9587: 9498: 9332: 9254: 9243: 8225: 8045: 8004: 7968: 7938: 7780: 7228: 6580: 6555: 6465: 6449: 6289: 6232: 6046: 6025: 5963: 5841: 5631: 5512: 5482: 5297: 5197: 5052: 4862: 4745: 4176: 4088: 3940: 3917: 3904: 3852:. The questions I have regarding the harassment investigation process are: 2674: 2613: 2560: 2436: 2208: 2186: 2154: 2122: 1902: 1883: 1828: 1746: 1547: 1479: 1218: 1058: 993: 12880: 11485: 8404:'s dot points 4 & 5 should be the focus. But your question is fair: 3989: 14356: 14187: 13530: 13498: 11853: 11842: 10538: 10210: 9905: 8094: 7863: 7585:: the proposal is premature, and for the record, it is not about being a 7483: 7358: 7161: 7074: 6887: 6867: 6657: 6021: 5699: 5614: 4762: 4690: 4578: 4297: 3961: 2848: 2718: 2118: 1813: 1539:, now that at least Fram's side is out, do you still trust those people? 1367: 933: 14048: 11962: 10616: 9933: 9315:-- If he edits enwiki, he will be globally blocked and globally locked. 5962: 4672: 4122: 3597: 3541: 3514: 3418: 3391: 3364: 3327: 2730: 2637: 2418: 1655:, the WMF have the right to ban from a single project on the grounds of 1217: 245: 224: 14336: 14212: 13970: 12544: 11975: 11926: 10143: 10094: 9779: 9737: 9703: 9550: 9316: 9212: 9047: 8782: 8750: 8645: 8616: 8598: 8538: 8520: 8357: 7991: 7953: 7934: 7921: 7823: 7598: 7056: 7040: 6923: 6818: 5906: 5458: 5090: 4943: 4417: 4330: 4315: 4064: 3833: 3494: 2125: 2014: 2008: 705: 692: 557: 12683: 8515:. According to Fram, the offending comment that triggered his ban was 7223: 7139: 7096: 2446: 722: 691: 13314: 12605: 12587: 11944: 10882: 9752: 9502: 9276: 9029: 8293: 8144: 8069: 7664: 7594: 7543: 7265: 5337: 5028: 4280: 4019: 2527: 2090: 1964: 1873: 1796: 1669: 1121: 816: 742: 14182: 12797: 11614: 6859: 4157: 14150: 14134: 13925: 13829: 12979: 11052: 10897: 10504: 10491: 9876: 6648:"quasi-volunteering to improve decorum" is insufficient. Thank you 6090: 5928: 5556: 5403: 4725: 3717: 3382: 2119: 1096: 427: 220: 9990: 6653: 1309: 14543: 13159: 12189: 11206: 10648: 7742: 7706: 5480: 1541: 1052: 5169: 3505: 2055: 13290: 2792: 13942: 13410:- I thought you personally emailed her. Did I get that wrong? 13174: 11974:, and yet she literally can not give two shits anyways! Lol!! 11705: 10646: 3754: 296: 225: 11997: 10703: 10055: 9086: 7538:" had anything to do with Cirt's extensive contributions to " 6766:"crowd" should speak out about problems that concern us. And 5749:. At that time he was nearly entirely unable to communicate, 4446:. Of course, I may be able to accept it without this change. 12915: 11670: 2771: 2491: 2072: 872: 13843: 13172: 11162: 8726: 8551:. Do you understand how that is an exercise in futility? ~ 4296: 3659: 801:"HELLO? IS THIS THING WORKING???" Explanation required. 758:, I believe that is the place for a wiki-talkpage-request. 13768: 12193: 10803: 10340: 6608: 3673: 3451: 2657:+clear right so content fills width: no content change. -- 14546: 14313: 11970: 10401: 8967: 8662: 6689: 5739:, lead manager of T&S. In 2014, he participated in a 5453: 1157: 11756:, Joe Sutherland, jdforrester and Gregory Varnum. These 11565: 10990: 10142: 10061: 10039: 6955: 6419:, a sensible way to de-escalate the situation. Regards, 14541: 13196: 12748: 11921: 10336: 2841: 13558: 10049: 9293: 5647:- a reasonable suggestion to de-escalate this crisis. 4258: 2450: 367: 12586: 11760: 9622: 8513: 6008: 371:(about two hours prior to the bans' implementation). 338: 13983:Odd that he was blocked longer than Fram, however. 13433: 11230: 10704: 9122: 2673:"empathically"? I suspect you meant "emphatically". 1120: 77: 14626:but I don't see a violation of the IBAN. This one 13276:At least she hasn't actually said "Fake news" yet. 10490:prone to paralytic moralizing over victim privacy. 6089:I'm late to the party, but it seems obvious to me. 4279: 3939:, 'ED' in this context means Executive Director. 3873:Thanks in advance for considering these questions. 3480: 952:Nice of them to ask if we wanted this, isn't it? ‑ 929: 13790:I couldn't sleep so I also responded to her tweet 12018:A public tweet in response to a journalist by the 10125:I'm surprised no Australian editors have proposed 8710:Vetting an RfA candidate is stalking? Get real. ~ 8511:The ToU clause that you're referring to prohibits 8044:. This is a better community without Fram in it. – 7550:). Sometimes, life just isn't fair.  ;( ^^ 🌿 6864:And lots of us think it is plenty smart, actually. 4646:. This seems reasonable. Neutral on ArbCom case. — 3559:The changes to our Office Action policy were made 12746:retweet your shitty pseudo-thinkpiece three times 7371:Then why didn't they allow Arbcom to arbitrate? 7338:it seems it was due to privacy and COI concerns. 7306:Then why didn't they allow Arbcom to arbitrate? 6024:, although less reluctantly (for the moment…). —— 5942:Probably symbolic anyway, but per Doug Weller. -- 4393:to learn the rough details. Also, echo Headbomb; 3706:This all seems pretty par for the course; but to 1795:Was that fork borne of a constitutional crisis? – 815:I sent a note to the WMF email address listed on 14571:- I see that the bottom of that article states: 12776:launching personal attacks at her on Twitter. — 5715:– seems like a sensible course of action to me. 8839:Even if, if we're being honest with ourselves. 4837:A sensible path. I'll resist the temptation to 4175:All of that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. 1459:could say “We’ve seen why and it’s warranted.” 428:#FYI: Similar incident in de.wp some months ago 11917:stoop to respond—not to make her case, but to 10959:Well, we'd all been waiting for a statement. — 10914:. Extremely likely reference to a media piece 10422:Thanks from me too, for bringing the article. 2409:Statement from the WMF Trust & Safety Team 2294:YOU accused him of being a sockpuppeteer first 14296:helpful to have more matter, with less art.-- 14024:Poor blighter was indeffed for lèse-majesté. 13208:it wasn’t about a specific author or article. 9207:We don't know what is behind the ban, so I'm 7703:To be clear, I was referring specifically to 7525:Fram was "right" about every case they argued 3710:, you never gave a figure as to describe the 2206:(my third attempt at leaving a comment here.) 1767:take an action, doesn't necessarily mean the 12890:Knowledge:Reliable sources/Perennial sources 12526:So the T&S people liked it by mistake?-- 9372:ought not be taken in a very-literal sense. 5294:a sensible compromise if all parties agree. 5123:- a possible way forward for the community. 4041:Reporting systems on English Knowledge (pdf) 3698:Community questions, responses, and comments 2475:Improving Trust and Safety processes program 2470:Why did the Foundation only ban for a year? 1050:because of this action, being right or not. 13814:. If you want to have a say in Knowledge, 11148:offline about a Knowledge-related issue? -- 8583:such "abusive communications". You're just 6735:generous, given your collective actions. ~ 6389:, for most of the English speaking world a 5357:. I guess this is a sensible compromise. – 4349:so let's compromise on six months"). Best, 12744:- if you actually believe that this quote 10972:was anything to do with our current woes. 5812:per Doug Weller and many others. We can't 2458:Who made the complaint to the Foundation? 1394:, disappearing people without explanation 14268:, Great job. Thanks for taking that on. 13924:. His talk page access was also revoked. 13808:"Very few people have asked her directly" 12493:- thank you for that astute observation. 11596:Trust & Safety @Wikimedia/@Knowledge. 9117:convince: people who do think that there 7320:Sounds like a question to ask the WMF... 236:User:Fram banned for 1 year by WMF office 9497:So it's a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, 9009:Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fram 4742:Fram suggested a less lenient compromise 4559:Makes sense to me as a possible option-- 4440:opening of an Arbitration Committee case 3654: 3066:is better than if I do something sudden. 588:If it's a T&S issue, then why is he 14629:is close but probably not a violation. 13351:- you may be interested in this quote: 10945:Wow. That's pretty stunning, actually. 9940:This section is pinned and will not be 7994:, don't take my words out of context - 4129:This section is pinned and will not be 3604:This section is pinned and will not be 3548:This section is pinned and will not be 3521:This section is pinned and will not be 3425:This section is pinned and will not be 3398:This section is pinned and will not be 3371:This section is pinned and will not be 3334:This section is pinned and will not be 2737:This section is pinned and will not be 2644:This section is pinned and will not be 2425:This section is pinned and will not be 2167:Noting that you are *employed* by WMF. 1943:Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español 741:A big ‘ole whiskey tango from me too. – 252:This section is pinned and will not be 14: 8961:Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders, 6656:reporting policies will come of this. 4442:, pursuant to Fram's request, as seen 790:permanent rather than time-limited. ‑ 665:2A02:C7F:BE76:B700:C9AE:AA89:159B:8D17 14514:she started "closely monitoring" it. 12606:the same taste in corporate law firms 10280:You could do that, or read a book :| 9702:reveal who that are seems foolish. - 2690:Knowledge:Knowledge does not need you 2223:Overly harsh and punitive blocks are 1368:repressing people with no explanation 13150:Katherine Maher responses on Twitter 11943:it is about it is kinda unfortunate. 10385:Pretty much what I was going to say. 9927: 7110:case evidence that was always public 5598:as a way forward from this debacle. 4744:the better part of a week ago, now. 4116: 3795:This is unfair trial par excellence. 3591: 3535: 3508: 3412: 3385: 3358: 3321: 2724: 2631: 2412: 629:WTF? Echo everything that Iri says. 590:still trusted on every other project 239: 14162:job to be aware of these things. -- 13389:Why should I find that interesting? 12993:email (no reply from them either). 12355:. I've asked a question about this 11627:(UPDATE: Seddon reversed the like) 9896:Suggestion to archive this proposal 8183:that you are angry (Whether or not 5776:"the best is the enemy of the good" 5027:Although I'm not overly optimistic. 3645:Vermont’s suggestion from last week 3532:Further comments from Jan Eissfeldt 3318:Further comment from the Foundation 2439:As described on the Metapage about 2056:here's what Sydney Poore looks like 24: 11836:the argument. Given that a single 11479:File:Krmaher tweet 27 Jun 2019.png 10864:Arbs, you need to see this above. 6323:That's the obvious way forward. -- 4689:. Also support the ArbCom case. -- 4610:Endorse with an additional request 708:, T&S means Trust and Safety. 340:de:Special:Contributions/WMFOffice 25: 14676: 10555:I wasn't aware that civility fit 9924:Interesting BuzzFeed News article 9648:Response from Fram to Newyorkbrad 7977:don't think that's being fair. -- 7667:The Office terminates Fram's ban. 6178:Sunlight is the best disinfectant 3588:Jan Eissfeldt update (06/17/2019) 2854:Special:Contributions/Jimbo Wales 1810:Wikitravel#Community fork in 2012 972:Actually, if the WMF office knew 14662:The discussion above is closed. 13261:This was not a directed comment. 9932: 7564:: The new information shown by 6930:tools, based upon that editing). 5429:- Not perfect, but good enough. 4121: 3596: 3540: 3513: 3417: 3390: 3363: 3326: 2729: 2636: 2417: 992: 601:I've asked ArbCom to comment at 244: 82: 14061:This was not a directed comment 13920:was just blocked, I assume for 11451:I don't know. It seems, well, 7521:concerning access to their site 947:This is worth quoting in full: 756:meta:User talk:JEissfeldt (WMF) 334:, first on enwiki at least per 13810:-- well of course not. We're 11677:or someone impersonating him. 9837:for some reasons why (smile).) 7745:That is not the full sentence. 13: 1: 11257:I guess we're "no one". 😢 —/ 10257:stagnation and status quo. —/ 10180:Is it too early to call this 9005:picking a fight with BU Rob13 6348:of oversight is important' — 6286:as a compromise way forward. 5402:– A good way to cool down. — 4958:per Swarm and so many above. 4506:Sounds perfectly reasonable. 1298:I've already asked on Commons 14621:May 8 had some ugly diffs. 10289:Why not do both?! Genius! —/ 7540:And you are lynching Negroes 6854:Heh. I see you've never met 6068:as a sensible way forward. – 1370:now? What did they violate? 7: 13856:) 14:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12351:Thanks for the ping above, 10166:Don't give me ideas ;-). -- 9443:Only in death does duty end 9413:Only in death does duty end 9227:12:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC) 9169:Only in death does duty end 9088:Only in death does duty end 8056:23:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC) 4900:as a sensible way forward. 2512:Only in death does duty end 2463:general information section 1695:prevented from unblocking? 1671:Only in death does duty end 1341:Only in death does duty end 1326:Only in death does duty end 1271:Only in death does duty end 897:Don’t forget Media Viewer — 203:/Proposals about WMF Office 10: 14681: 14536:A less desired news source 14046:For the record, Maher has 8549:evidence you have not seen 6399:right to face your accuser 5698:. Get a fresh "re-start". 5414:- a sensible way forward. 4932:A sensible compromise. An 4541:Endorse - with ArbCom case 4015:. I have a few questions: 3409:Further response from Fram 2628:Fram's response on Commons 2270:Just recently we ran into 2026:The whole lot of them are 29: 14617:09:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 14594:05:32, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 14556:17:17, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14524:17:59, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 14505:17:35, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 14490:17:30, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 14464:21:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14447:12:20, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14422:09:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14403:08:37, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14380:08:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14365:06:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14344:05:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14323:04:38, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14306:02:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14282:04:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14261:04:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14245:02:05, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14231:01:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 14201:22:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14172:19:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14142:19:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14129:17:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14106:17:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14087:17:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14073:17:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14055:16:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14034:17:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 14020:14:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13996:14:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13979:14:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13961:01:31, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 13933:14:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13868:14:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13838:10:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13803:10:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13778:19:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13759:18:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13738:17:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13721:09:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13697:10:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13679:09:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13664:09:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13625:09:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13577:09:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13554:09:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13539:09:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13524:09:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13507:09:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13492:09:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13477:09:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13462:08:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13443:08:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13429:08:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13399:08:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13373:08:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13327:08:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13309:08:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13286:08:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13140:13:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13107:07:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13089:07:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13040:12:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13022:12:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 13003:11:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12988:10:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12960:09:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12935:09:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12902:09:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12856:15:42, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 12837:17:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12810:14:53, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12788:10:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12767:08:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12729:07:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12705:07:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12668:07:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12646:06:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12627:06:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12600:06:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12576:07:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12552:06:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12536:06:30, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12512:07:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12486:06:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12452:06:31, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12428:06:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12404:07:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12374:06:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12331:07:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12308:06:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12284:06:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12266:06:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12248:05:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12225:05:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12207:05:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12185:05:30, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12161:05:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12143:05:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12128:05:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12094:05:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12075:05:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12048:05:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12030:05:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 12010:05:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11983:06:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11953:05:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11934:04:30, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11908:04:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11877:07:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11847:05:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11824:04:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11801:04:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11787:03:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11737:03:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11717:03:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11689:04:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11665:04:08, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11646:04:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11587:04:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11557:03:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11539:03:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11516:03:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11498:07:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11463:03:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11446:03:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11432:03:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11395:04:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11378:04:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11366:03:20, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11348:03:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11330:03:05, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11319:03:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11301:03:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11276:02:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11253:02:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11220:02:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11202:02:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11172:02:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11158:02:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11128:03:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11100:02:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11078:11:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11060:02:30, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11045:02:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 11022:01:53, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10997:01:50, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10982:01:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10964:01:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10955:01:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10936:03:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10843:17:19, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 10832:00:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 10816:09:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10731:16:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10716:04:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10697:02:43, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10674:02:54, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10639:02:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10612:02:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10602:01:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10579:01:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10551:01:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10534:01:07, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10500:01:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10486:moribund -- and they are 10476:01:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10460:00:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10436:00:37, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10418:22:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10397:22:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10377:22:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10359:23:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10345:22:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10322:22:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10308:21:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10285:21:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10276:21:04, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10233:22:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10198:21:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10176:20:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10154:14:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10138:06:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10120:04:12, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10105:02:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 10087:20:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10075:20:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10025:22:12, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 10002:22:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 9985:19:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 9962:19:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 9918:22:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC) 9890:21:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 9850:22:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC) 9828:04:24, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 9813:04:14, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 9788:21:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 9773:19:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 9746:06:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 9727:05:27, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 9712:21:25, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9697:21:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9679:05:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9663:03:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9636:20:39, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9610:12:09, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9596:11:20, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9564:19:22, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 9536:09:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9506:17:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9493:17:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9451:13:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9436:12:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9421:12:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9405:15:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9386:11:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9363:11:04, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9339:07:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9324:07:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9307:07:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9289:07:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9271:07:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9250:07:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9203:20:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 9182:17:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9155:15:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9096:12:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9061:11:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9042:11:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 9023:10:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8977:09:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8949:05:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8929:04:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8898:03:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8879:02:02, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8855:"Control" is irrelevant, 8850:01:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8835:01:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8790:08:34, 21 June 2019 (UTC) 8772:15:05, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8736:06:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 8722:21:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8702:15:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8676:13:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8653:13:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8623:because they already have 8606:06:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8563:03:56, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8528:03:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8498:04:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8467:02:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8449:02:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8417:01:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8388:01:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8365:01:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8347:00:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8332:00:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 8307:22:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8278:20:27, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8258:20:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8234:19:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8217:19:26, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8164:19:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8137:19:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8122:19:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8103:19:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8089:19:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 8027:19:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 8013:19:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 7987:17:36, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 7962:13:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 7947:20:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC) 7930:19:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC) 7912:03:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC) 7812:15:02, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7789:14:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7724:23:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7699:15:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7684:15:02, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7656:14:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 7638:05:25, 25 June 2019 (UTC) 7611:04:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 7578:23:48, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7555:06:19, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7493:08:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7474:05:43, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7459:05:09, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7439:02:33, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7424:02:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7398:23:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7381:21:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7367:19:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7345:01:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7334:Actually after rereading 7330:01:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 7316:21:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7302:18:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7288:18:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7269:14:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7255:13:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7237:13:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7216:12:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7188:12:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7170:10:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7148:13:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7133:12:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7105:08:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7084:04:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7067:04:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 7049:03:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 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6224:14:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 6207:10:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 6185:10:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 6171:10:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 6141:09:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC) 6118:18:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 6099:11:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 6082:00:38, 25 June 2019 (UTC) 6061:15:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC) 6034:15:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC) 6013:08:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC) 6004:17:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 5972:03:39, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 5955:03:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 5938:03:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 5915:07:36, 21 June 2019 (UTC) 5897:18:55, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 5875:02:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC) 5850:21:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5832:18:59, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5817:would be insurmountable. 5805:16:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5788:14:51, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5767:09:48, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5727:09:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5708:08:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5691:06:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5674:05:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5657:00:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 5640:18:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5623:18:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5608:16:02, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5591:15:12, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5576:14:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5544:14:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5521:13:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5495:12:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5469:10:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5439:10:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5422:09:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5407:09:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5395:08:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5371:08:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5350:07:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5329:07:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5305:06:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5287:05:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5271:05:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5257:05:40, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5240:05:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5223:05:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5206:05:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5189:04:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5159:04:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5142:04:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5116:02:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5106:dot points 4 & 5. -- 5099:02:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5082:02:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5064:02:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5037:02:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 5020:01:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 4995:01:54, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 4978:00:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 4951:00:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 4925:23:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4910:23:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4893:23:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4878:22:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4851:22:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4830:22:47, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4813:22:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4788:16:04, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 4771:22:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4754:21:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4733:21:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4716:21:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4699:21:08, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4682:20:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4665:20:51, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4639:20:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4622:20:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4603:20:27, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4587:20:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4569:20:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4555:19:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4536:19:56, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4519:19:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4499:19:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4482:19:45, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4463:19:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4431:19:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4411:19:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4378:19:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4359:19:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4339:22:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 4324:19:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4306:19:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4289:19:11, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4272:19:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4251:18:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4232:18:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4215:18:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4200:18:29, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4185:18:28, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 4103:Response from Fram to Jan 4097:09:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 4078:00:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 4005:22:10, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3970:14:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3949:03:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC) 3932:00:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC) 3913:00:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC) 3883:12:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3842:15:49, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3828:10:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3808:09:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3788:08:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3770:03:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3746:03:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3731:02:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC) 3692:21:53, 17 June 2019 (UTC) 3462:23:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC) 3243:12:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 3226:12:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC) 3209:14:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC) 3192:13:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC) 3175:13:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC) 3158:19:51, 21 June 2019 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Not mere incivility. 10213:could do with updating. 10093:JANFRAMBAN? JANBANFRAM? 9683:I asked about this, and 7895:21:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC) 7878:23:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC) 7851:10:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC) 7833:01:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 7764:11:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 7738:10:34, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 6391:presumption of innocence 6382:17:25, 2 July 2019 (UTC) 6358:15:50, 2 July 2019 (UTC) 6333:19:08, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 6316:17:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 6299:12:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 6279:08:34, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 3810:(from German Knowledge). 3310:07:32, 3 July 2019 (UTC) 3293:07:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC) 3277:12:41, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 3260:11:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC) 2712:04:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC) 2683:16:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC) 14288:Katherine Maher's reply 14207:Comment from Guerillero 13258:12:28 AM - 28 Jun 2019 13250:12:20 AM - 28 Jun 2019 13241:12:08 AM - 28 Jun 2019 13233:12:03 PM - 28 Jun 2019 13224:11:59 PM - 27 Jun 2019 13216:11:56 PM - 27 Jun 2019 13204:11:54 PM - 27 Jun 2019 13192:11:12 PM - 27 Jun 2019 13181:11:09 PM - 27 Jun 2019 13167:10:21 PM - 27 Jun 2019 12846:the current situation. 11764:Free Knowledge advocate 11624:Free Knowledge advocate 11567:Free Knowledge advocate 9755:, I'm rooting for you. 9391:Winged Blades of Godric 7536:a bit of today politics 5230:- This seems sensible. 4706:- sensible compromise. 4627:Endorse as a first step 4035:In the findings of the 2607:— I'll tell ya how I'm 545:User:Whatamidoing (WMF) 359:Winged Blades of Godric 332:Winged Blades of Godric 14292: 11545:User:JSutherland (WMF) 11334:How do you know that? 9942:automatically archived 9904:. 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