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8052: 9168:, Sorry, but I need to push back on this — both the content and the curious timing. I trust you're aware that we have a long-awaited statement from the board and from the ED talking about a path forward that seems promising to many. It seems an odd time to repeat complaints that have literally been made 100 times before. Let no one misread this to think I believe the WMF handled this perfectly, but this diatribe doesn't even hint that there may have been some less than ideal handling by the community. While we frustratingly don't know the full details, it seems likely we know a lot about the history of the interactions, and a fair question is why the community was unable to respond. Regarding the time-limited ban, that has been explained in some detail. While there may be some open questions about why it's 365 days and not 90 or not five years, there has been substantial explanation of the new concept of ban that are both limited in time and scope. I still have some unanswered questions but that one is not near the top of my list. You challenge Jan for not engaging on three issues. I'll bet a weeks salary he has been directed not to and I support that instruction. You suggest the board cannot as if it's a deficiency but that simply means you don't understand the board's function. I see positive signs of a path forward and I strongly disassociate myself with just about everything in your post. 9023:, one where metaphors which tend to ring a stronger tinkle in people's ears win over the dull logic of propositional cogency. The tendency to go for ballistic hyperbole, even in discussing rather humdrum situations, is now so thoroughly ingrained in mainstream speech and writing that we no longer even recognize how the ground has shifted under our feet. What is being promoted is the intimidation of tolerance of the vernacular and the shoehorning of thought into a bureaucratically regulated straightjacket. 'Toxic' as in McTavish's essay can embrace any phrase an interlocutor might bridle at because, to their minds, it is disrespectful or slightly irritating, through to the other extremity of the linguistic diapason where real-life threats are uttered. The use of words like 'toxic' to span verbal behaviour so loosely inclusive that it embraces anything from a put down, a snarky aside, anything smacking of a lack of total focus of your interlocutor on your personal pursuit of blandishment, consideration or dignity - to incitements to suicide, pedophilic innuendoes and death threats, can only translate into a flustercuck of exasperation. No one can define 'toxic' as used here, but non-toxicity is what is being used to define 'civility'. Don't take it, or the people who use it, seriously. 13048:, prefaced by a remark along the lines, 'Knowledge is a work-in-progress dedicated to building a comprehensive encyclopedia which anyone may edit. All are welcomed to join the community in contributing material. At times, through impatience, confusion over whether Knowledge is a social forum or a work-place, conflict arises. All conflicts will be judged according to whether the behavior of involved editors contributes to article construction, or hinders it. Obstructive behavior encompasses trolling, unprovoked rudeness, hounding a contributor over numerous pages, refusing to listen or focus on the core problems raised by other editors, consistent carelessness in citing sources, the abuse of arbitration and conflict resolution boards to get at editors one disagrees with, outing the real life identity of users' and such like. We are a community, not of like-minded people, but of people from highly diversified backgrounds united in a common aspiration to compile the default resource for a global community seeking rapid access to readable information, vetted for accuracy and the quality of its sourcing. Personal animosities have no place in our culture which is premised on civil engagement with others towards the shared goal of producing accurate articles. 5148: 13107:'Toxic' is an hyperbolic metaphor, referring to the putative atmosphere created by certain disputes between a few editors, which all those present (watching or participating) cannot avoid being contaminated by. Most people aren't sucked in or up by such ostensible 'toxicity'. You're correct that saying someone is 'incapable of presenting reasonable arguments' lends itself to queries about civility. But at least it is specific, doesn't refer to some epidemic or contagion that affects everyone, like it or not. Everyone is immediately swept up into a sense of shared victimhood by asserting they're exposed to a toxic atmosphere - it presumes no one can escape it. Cavalryman was saying recourse to the toxic metaphor tends to nudge out specific, focused discussion by deploying a strategic 'poisoning of the well' alarmist discourse which inhibits rational exchange. You are also right that we should not identify a list of bad words - an Orwellian approach. I have struck my thoughtlessly hasty use of 'banned'. We should simply discuss, and be made aware of, the problems in the terminology that quietly tends to creep into our exchanges and, by being used reflexively, 'contaminates' clarity of exposition. 7705:- taking advantage of a chance to justify something as being within T&S scope to ban someone they believed should have been banned by the community for incivility long ago. If that was the case, it should be obvious by now why (regardless of whether you think Fram should have been banned or not) that was a terrible approach, since it put them in a position where they couldn't give their real reasons for Fram's ban, couldn't explain to the community how we could change our policies to avoid this in the future, and couldn't even articulate what the underlying problem was beyond vague references to the community "failing" in some non-specific way, since admitting that they didn't trust ArbCom to ban Fram on the evidence would undermine their argument that this was a T&S issue solely because of privileged information and would essentially be admitting that even with all the evidence the community as a whole probably still wouldn't have gone for a ban, at least under our current policies. If the goal was to encourage the community to strengthen its enforcement of 6571: 9957: 11923: 3537: 11048:, I think everyone, me included, has to accept that we will never get answers to all of the questions we might have. You are free to ask questions but I think it is unrealistic to expect any organization of WMF's size to satisfy our curiosity. If you have ever worked for a large corporation or nonprofit, you know that every employee doesn't have access to personnel decisions or how all decisions get made, and I think that dealing with harassment complaints is as much, if not more, sensitive that these subjects. You can keep asking, but I think if you have these unrealistic expectations of complete responsiveness, you are bounded to be disappointed. Knowledge isn't a democracy and even in democracies, individuals do not have access to all information that exists but only that information that is chosen by the organization to give out or that media groups can dig up. I don't think we can expect any organization to have 100% transparency. You will probably have to live with some questions being unanswered. 270:, I agree. Couple quick points about board responsibilities. Some contributors have groused that the board statement is short on specifics. That's an unrealistic expectation. Some have expressed the belief that the board ought to be identifying people to be fired. That's not the proper function of the board, with the singular exception of the Executive Director. And with respect to the ED, I hope that the boards general view is "we want you to be bold. If you never make a mistake, that might be a sign you want being bold enough. If you do make a mistake, we're going to judge you on how you rectify the mistake, not simply dismiss you based on the first false step". Obviously, there are mistakes and there are mistakes and one can imagine a mistake so serious that it alone requires termination by the board but this issue is not remotely at that level. Things were mishandled, apologies have been forthcoming, the key will be to see how the community works with WMF and T&S to find a way forward. 8037: 13775:, I am also a bit disappointed, but "bifurcated proceedings" can't reliably protect secrets. If there is an onwiki issue that Arbcom wish to keep secret, they can't allow any publicly submitted evidence, or somebody might submit that very evidence, and then they can't delete it unless they wish to Streisand-publicise it. I can't quite imagine what type of issues might force the complete secrecy (while not being a matter for Oversight or an indefinite global ban), so I can't tell whether the committee made the right choice. By opting for secrecy, the committee has asked for an immense about of trust from us, and although I would have preferred a standard open case, I am willing to extend that trust for now. It is not an enviable situation to be in, and I don't think there is an easy way out of this mess, and I am happy the Arbcom volunteered to deal with this. We don't have enough evidence to say they are volunteering wrong at this point. — 215: 7413: 9952:, an arbitrator says that arbitration requests should be filed by parties, not "busybodies". This is a completely ineffective approach. There should be some way for ArbCom (or someone) to undergo a comprehensive review of an editor's record without demanding that a reporter step forward to be a target of abuse for that editor's fans--or even worse, that a victim of the unblockable step forward to be the reporter/re-victim. Perhaps arbcom could accept private/anonymous complaints/evidence, and when they see enough from editors in good standing that relate to a particular person, they could open a public case about that person in which some of the evidence is presented by the committee itself. (2) Our processes typically entail the evaluation of one event or set of events rather than an editor's pattern of editing over a career. (3) Our representative bodies represent only existing members of the community and not those who 4718:. Rather an omission, in my opinion. Convenient however if ones' sole objective is to promote fluffy-bunny niceness amongst the 'community' and eradicate all those nasty toxins. Convenient because it omits having to face the obvious fact that not all 'good faith editors' will necessarily have the attributes to usefully contribute to an online encyclopaedia. And sometimes having to tell people this isn't nice, even if done wearing a fluffy-bunny suit. If the WMF wants this to be a free-to-all niceness club, it should say so explicitly, take away all the admins mops, and rename the encyclopedia as 'Uncle Jimmy's wonderful write-what-you-want website'. And if it doesn't, and still wants something which bears even a vague resemblance to an encyclopaedia, it should acknowledge this, and stop trying to kid people that you can create something as complex as Knowledge without people's feelings getting hurt. 12893: 181:), I appreciate the tone of it. Hopefully this will enable a smoother rapport between the community and the WMF. That brings me to a more meta question, so to say, of the interplay between the community and the WMF, which are inextricably linked. The WMF has been in the past (and I assume in the present as well) supportive of new language wikis and on-ground outreach, for instance, which I find to be quite useful and often necessary. At the same time the very reason why we even need a WMF is because we as a community have made this project what it is today (not to be too Hegelian about it). I hope that this sort of an existential question remains at the fore of your thoughts and efforts to work closer with the community. In plain English: how does the WMF perceive the community? In what role? And how do you want the community to perceive the WMF in turn? 12982:, but you did not provide a source. As Knowledge is a very visible website we have to be very careful with biographies of living people. In fact, our ToU describes us to thoroughly reference all information about BLPs. I have therefore removed the sentence, if you want to add it again can you please provide a suitable RS?'. So, that was very friendly. However, the editor moves on to another living person and does something similar. They collect another, bit more direct warning. Third time .. fourth time with increasing warnings. Yes, they become increasingly impolite, but looking at the start of it, not heeding the remark that you have to source BLPs is the first impoliteness. I agree that we have to 'ban' the word 'toxic', and likely be very careful with 'harassment' and even 'incivility' .. but where do we end? -- 6428: 13372:"Unblockable" is a practical reality of the corporate situation. If a user has a long term track record of improper editing, and abusing WMF funding policies, but is the spouse of a WMF Board member, as a practical matter, neither the community nor an admin can block them. I think that T&S staff was in an impossible situation: on the one hand if they failed to take action against the admin, both spouses would go after the staff member politically, and on the other hand, if T&S takes action against the admin they are sending a loud message that there are "unblockable" families." The typical community AN or ANI can be a way around this problem because most editors and admins do not know who is married to whom, and the family can't file T&S complaints against all of the participating editors. 10473:... I thought that was the case when I returned in early 2013 from a 1-year wiki break (extremely busy life and annoyance over an incompetent Arbcom, especially Jclemens). My impression then was that many admins had forgotten about me and some were new and had never known me. And that this was the main reason for the unconstructive behaviour I was dealing with, which ultimately led to my following 4-year break. However, things seem much better now. And looking at those 2013/2014 conflicts today, it seems that somehow always Jhm649 = Doc James was involved – who has since fallen up the stairs, it appears, Maybe it wasn't a sudden influx of incompetent admins with a contempt for normal users, after all, but a bunch of admins specifically supporting Doc James on his POV crusade through baiting behaviour. 6693: 9673:, I agree that we need to remove the incentives for poor behaviour. I talked about how the shortcomings in English Knowledge's content dispute mechanisms result in bad behaviour, but another motivation for abrasiveness is essentially to brush off users who aren't effective as editors and who don't appear to show potential to improve. If English Knowledge can develop better ways to sort editors into those who can use time to become effective and those who should be discouraged from continuing to edit, and to provide more active guidance for a new editor, then abrasiveness wouldn't be needed to discourage editors. (Due to the immense amount of time required to provide active guidance, this might be an area where the Wikimedia Foundation could help with paid mentors.) 7177: 5315: 9288:, so far as that goes, many of the names which come to mind when I think of "highly skilled and mistreat others" aren't admins (and probably wouldn't want to be). I also don't think that we should confuse frankness with incivility. If someone is edit warring to reinsert a BLP violation, for example, they are not going to get (at least from me) a "Will you stop that, pretty please?", they are going to get "You must stop that, and if you do it once again, I'll block you." Sometimes, delivering a stern warning like that can forestall the need to actually use the block button, so I see it as a less-bad outcome at least. My problem is more with editors who seem, for whatever reason, to feel the need to attack the 10872: 4305:"the unnblockables", the statement does not entirely allay my fears that we are still looking at "we in the WMF have decided what civility is, and we are planning to educate the rest of you about it, but you are going to have to abide by what we decide". I'd like to see some acknowledgement that it's possible that the communities will insist that WMF modify their assessment of a "safe and respectful environment", as in "cases which obviously need some form of sanctions, in which sanctions have not occurred", and that WMF will actually respect that. That said, I want to say explicitly "thank you" to those board members, particularly Doc James, who have fought to make the statement what it is. -- 4483: 151:, hats off to the Director for that. I only have some concern about a hint that there might be some compatability "gap" between the original, and by far the largest project, the English language Knowledge, and the broader movement. This makes no sense to me, and has a vague odour of something being used as an excuse to try to push the Knowledge culture in some way. This happens in some EU initiatives too, and always ends badly, as we see with Brexit. Now I'd like to see a freshening up of the Board, and a "normalising" of the "Trust and Safety" unit, and a red carpet rolled out to bring back resigned and prematurely retired editors and administrators, and I hope Ms Maher can do that too. 13159: 8758:(dispute resolution 'et al') and approach the WMF directly. It is to be remembered that Framgate was initiated by a party going to T&S. I think it imperative that the concerns of anyone wishing the anonymity of going outside of the local community to a body tasked with dealing with issues in camera is considered, while also ensuring that any findings and evidence do not form the basis of actions without input and review by members of any community that is directly effected (preferably by those with a demonstrated degree of trust) is fundamental. Only in this way can we ensure a safe environment for all parties. I hope this can be clarified as soon as possible. 6110:. While it's true office actions traditionally can't be appealed, it seems some people take issue with that, to put it mildly. I have faith in ArbCom's ability to review this case fairly, and a verdict from a body that is in some true sense accountable to the community will help calm things down. Instead of letting ArbCom's hands stay tied, I'd argue we should say "hang the code" and do what will be best for the encyclopedia. If you really do think this is a bad idea, by all means say it loudly, but the fact that it's outside established norms isn't enough. This is as exceptional as a case can get, and the rules are already changing, one way or another. — 9185:(mixed); I'm in the camp that it's deficient, but still an attempt at trying to help deescalate things and remand the ban to the community (via ArbCom). I also note that the LauraHale situation would likely not have escalated as much as it did were it not for Wikipediocracy's accusations and Raystorm's invocation of GamerGate; both of those directly led to the community scrutinising LauraHale far beyond any reasonable point. And as for Jan being instructed not to, such an order seems absurd on its face, as those three topics are very specifically (a) ones that could be answered without risking the anonymity/privacy of the complainant and (b) 8303:. I think that's an important concession. I would like to see a firmer statement in the end but as someone else said a page or two back (I have read for 10 minutes solid) too clear a position by the Board could have led to a crisis within the Foundation. If the Director is not being fired then they need to be allowed to fix their house and if they were fired, a new Director would insist on this even more. The Board's job, in a charity same as in a company, is to set policy and only to intervene operationally in emergencies and then only as much as needed. I do think this "T&S" unit should have been 3159: 13177:" is surely a fantasy. At least, I think it's so hard that nobody has yet mastered it, and I don't see the WMF people (with the best will) being able to achieve what nobody else has. I've worked in managing online communities, and it was for a company that didn't even try to define any objective standards, but instead issued guidelines that were to be interpreted on a contextual basis - the way Knowledge policy is supposed to be used. I think that worked as well as any I've seen, but it did still frequently draw the ire of literalists who'd complain along the lines of " 553:. It tries to model itself on the post-war/60s-70s German flat-hierarchy (or heterarchy) model, which might have been fine in pre-2007 days when there were only 7 paid employees, but with today's bloated force of 300 employees is no longer a sustainable management system. What they now have is an anarchic hybrid system of departments competing with each other, overlappinng with each other, and all vying for importance, and all of them believing themselves to be software engineers and sociologists while all of them only tell the CEO what they want her to know. 8597:. It's possible though that once your consulting experience goes all the way to multilateral institutions, you might better appreciate the difficulties in achieving perfect precision in a statement from a multilingual board, which obviously has internal differences of opinion, and was under time pressure to produce this statement. It's still my view the board statement was rather good all things considered, other than the omission to recommend an immediate un-ban. And hopefully you're not so critical about the outstanding follow up statement from the ED? 7957: 6478: 11256:(voluntary demission) might have been preceded by a request, but self asking for desysop within that month (most are really voluntary due to job, health, family or other reasons). Some cases are from a kind of misusing this instrument; it happened that admins from the early 2000 years, making the project great, but almost inactive during recent years, did not candidate again and were kicked out by a very indecent and deliberately disrespecting appointment of a certain user group. Names of those participants are not forgotten, on the record forever. 12469: 6598: 3963:"focus" on their traditional roles. They will not overturn the ban themselves. "as we have cases which obviously need some form of sanctions, in which sanctions have not occurred" - please cite them. Hell, cite one. The community and the WMF obviously have a huge disconnect on this point. Following this statement, I have no confidence in the WMF as a whole. I will not be contributing further outside of this dispute until this issue is satisfactorily resolved, and at this point I suspect that's equivalent to a retirement. 710: 10056:, is typically the place where toxicity spins out of control. The easy cases, the ones that fall into one of the "negative contributor" categories, are usually dealt with pretty efficiently. But the difficult cases turn into multi-day shout fests, and can leave well-meaning complainants feeling awfully beaten up. I think we all feel like "I know who is right and who is wrong when I see it", but if we were to compare notes, we would find that when something is obvious to me, it will be obvious to someone else that the 5000: 8737: 31: 5227: 8822: 4774:. You can have an online encyclopaedia (or other useful repository of 'knowledge') or you can allow anyone to edit. Not both. This is the fundamental flaw in the WMF's 'mission'. It is at the heart of this dispute, and it is at the heart of so many disputes on En Knowledge and elsewhere in the WMF's fiefdom. It is a contradiction built into the very heart of the project, and one that cannot be resolved by fine words about 'good faith'. Or by nit-picking irrelevances... 12734: 6308:"We do not consider any of the admin resignations related to the current events to be 'under a cloud' (under suspicion) though we also realize that the final decision with respect to this lies with the community." Who considers any of them "under a cloud"? The community considers their resignations principled acts of bravery. There is no way around it: this is an insult to each & every one of them. The board would have done far better not to even raise the idea. 9348: 322: 1063: 8994:, attention-deficient gossips, and kill-time boredom sufferers, worry-warts, and, mostly, nice folks who don't have a sufficiently stimulating social life and think talking with the former can be a fascinating ersatz for the deterioration of companionship in our 'neighbourhoods'). We even have comical attempts to theorize it, that gather up anything from expressions of mild distaste to death threats under that omnium gatherum rubric (Anne McTavish, 10858:'bad words' when it makes sense. This is one of the things the 'Trust & Safety Committee' apparently accused Fram, a Dutch editor, of. It's even more absurd because if he had used th abbreviation 'n*' instead – which for anyone who might plausibly be 'triggered' is easily decipherable but for some other users of this international site might be a complete mystery – then they would presumably have had to look for something else instead. 8056:, or whether you consider Fram himself to be one of the unblockables, this is a bit of an omission. I have previously made the point that if the WMF want to make the community a less toxic place, a good point to start would be to acknowledge that just a few years ago under the last ED but one, it was Arbcom who had higher standards of civility and could only desysop but not ban an admin who was also a WMF employee. In that case it was 4596:. There are a lot of people who intentionally do not follow this page, but are concerned about the overall state of the encyclopedia and community. This statement is significant enough that it should be on our main noticeboard for people who don't come to this page. A link directing discussion here at the bottom like is often done for ArbCom motions would work to centralize the discussion while making the statement more visible. 13265: 12123: 7608: 6299: 7376: 2820: 2370: 11789:, even. They're hard-to-block because they're longstanding contributors who have added a lot to the encyclopedia, and because it's easier for people to see those contributions than it is to see the harm they've done by driving people off. This is also why "unblockability" applies particularly clearly to policies that are hazy and whose negative impacts when ignored can be hard to collect into a single clear picture - 6445: 11573: 13228:"But which is less civil ...?" - I don't think we need a competition of inappropriateness. Not using "toxic" (= "poisening" = "contaminating") in official statements would be a step forward. In the pictured 2014 speech, "incredibly toxic contributors" was used to promote "kindness, generosity, forgiveness and compassion", which I found an incredible contradiction in terms. I am sure that we can do better. -- 8308: 8020:), I'm now seeing this board statement as actually significantly better than I had hoped. It gives ArbCom the final say in Fram's ban, and we have concrete assurances that there will be no more similar T&S actions without community agreement. Jimmy has come down strongly in support of the community here, and we should recognize that and thank him for it (and the rest of the board, of course). 12378:, at least with enough of the people who tend to involve themselves in wonky process stuff that it's hard to sanction them. And this means that recalls (even done cautiously) could actually make the process worse. Lots of admins would be far more unwilling to make the call to block a popular editor under DS (or some other situation that allows for admin discretion), which would throw it back to 10084: 10420:. I don't normally say so because I am aware that that's a subjective value statement that stems from a personality clash. However, some of them seem to have no restraint labeling people with a different personality as toxic. From my point of view that creates an inequality in power between the nice people on one hand and the toxic people who keep calling the nice people toxic on the other hand. 10201: 2257: 3552: 4301: 11362:, the main objection to the proposal was fears about admins being forced to continually defend themselves against the kind of usual popular outrage that naturally comes up when moderating controversial issues (even if the admin's actions were totally correct). I think the general idea is good, but it could use some tweaking. Two ideas off the top of my head: requiring editors to be 13391: 8874: 9234: 11600:, that is indeed quite interesting. Basically a cumulative pile-on of crap (with I presume socks and other problematic accounts removed from the tally), until a threshold is reached, and the RFA process occurs automatically. People can then opine if it's worth removing the tools, or letting them keep it. Interesting indeed. That's certainly worth thinking about. 10397: 195:"Alternative approaches to supporting communities dealing with onwiki harassment"? "Offering training opportunities for community leaders (including ArbCom) involved in dealing with harassment"? "We also believe strongly in the principle that no one participating on the Wikimedia projects should be subject to harassment, abuse, or intimidation"? Is she 7315: 9828: 6305:"T&S has established a track record for managing highly complex situations." Until T&S banned Fram, few of us had even heard of T&S, let alone thought it had a track record. In fact, as debate raged here, three other cases of its misjudgment in other projects have come to light. I'd say that, at best, T&S has a mixed record of success. 7991:", that has to be respected. ArbCom can reach its own decision based on the available evidence, and we'll have to see what happens then. I really don't see what more we could have expected, I think this is the best we could have hoped for, and I think it's time for a bit of AGF. Let's not dismiss the proposed process until we've seen the result. 9006:(1962:pp.31ff) that electronic media would lead to a retribalization on a global scale of humanity, 'constricted into a space resonant with tribal drums', meaning the new expressive inclusiveness of communications would transform from modernity's metropolitan urbanity into squabbling hothouses of village resentments. Even he was anticipated by 11903:, I think I might ask you why you think both of those things. When I was on the ArbCom, I can recall four desysops, one of which was a functionary who had other permissions removed as well. This year, I can recall I believe three. (Which seems to beg the question as to ArbCom actions being "too rare"; one would hope there wouldn't be more of a 8090: 13329:. If there are specific issues with users, call them out. Eg he is harassing someone via near-constant stalking and reverting of their edits. Or he is using profanities in his comments / edits. The term is loosely defined by design, its a feature, not a bug, and both us and WMF should avoid using it and instead use specific examples of 11260: 10849: 1325: 9698: 11278:”, a standardized way to complain about admin decisions of any level which seem to violate rules and might be influenced by personal conflict. That will be decided by an admin who is not involved in any struggle and is a lower stage than our ArbCom. Sometimes the decision is that the action is marked as questionable or even reverted. 7053: 8537: 3311:- you are presuming that ArbCom will not be given enough evidence to be satisfied that the current remedy is sufficient. Per my comment below - I think at this point we need ArbCom to let us know if they have satisfactory information to at least certify the existing remedy, or if T&S is preventing them from being productive. — 7806:. That is not a mandate. That is not a requirement. That is not a prohibition. That is aspirational language. Just as that same sentence does not render it a violation of the TOU to engage in non-encyclopedia-building activities like writing the Signpost, it does not render any acts of impoliteness or incivility TOU violations. —/ 13847:"Will this recommendation have a negative impact?" and "What could be done to mitigate this risk?" appear to be part of the standard form for reporting recommendations in this project. The diversity team, across its various proposals, consistently answers those with, paraphrasing, "No." and "Convince people it's a good change." 12237:, and so it struggles with making decisions if there isn't a large majority in favour of one option, or if there are highly aggressive opponents. Unco-operative behaviour is, as a result, a viable strategy, as it takes advantage of the good faith of more collaborative editors, and can discourage their participation. Clay Shirky 10428: 6291: 12016: 12981:'I find your remarks impolite'?? 'The way you are addressing me makes me want to leave this place'?? I am sorry, by far most of us will be gentle on a first encounter with someone who does something that is not in line with our core policies/guidelines. 'Hi, I saw you adding this sentence to <living person: --> 11826:, to generally make it clearer that it's a core policy, and to make it unambiguous that repeated, constant incivility will eventually get you a permanent block regardless of any other factor (just like trying to ignore any other core policy would.) We would not accept editors who routinely and unambiguously ignored 13416: 1006: 9293: 9864: 5939:"In exceptional circumstances, typically where significant privacy, harassment or legal issues are involved, the Committee may hold a hearing in private. The parties will be notified of the private hearing and be given a reasonable opportunity to respond to what is said about them before a decision is made." 12910: 12724:"If Fram’s ban—an unappealable sanction issued from above with no community consultation—represents the WMF’s new strategy for dealing with harassment on the English Knowledge, it is one that is fundamentally misaligned with the Wikimedia movement’s principles of openness, consensus, and self-governance." 5190:"We're handing this stuff back over to the community" as possible without in someway putting the Foundation at legal risk or firing someone. On the whole, it is a move in the right direction, and now we need to see what the staff-level actions will be to comply with the board's directives and requests. 13561: 13390: 12433: 12272: 12232: 12178: 12122: 12052: 11980: 11838: 11762: 11028: 10962: 10917: 10871: 10811: 10427: 9319: 9292: 9184: 8772: 8307: 7956: 7358: 7052: 6850: 6427: 6362: 6290: 6004: 5856: 5700: 5574: 5496: 5263: 4610: 4152: 3767: 2965: 2293: 2256: 1000: 13861: 12451: 12241:; attempts to make them non-hierarchical by replacing human judgement exercised by administrators with rules interpreted by everyone eventually fail as the rules become overly complex. Sound familiar? We need to unlock the stalemate produced by English Knowledge's current decision-making traditions. 11922: 11545: 10848: 9956: 9875: 9697: 8361: 8263: 7438: 7333: 6982: 6663: 6243: 5781: 5421: 5226: 4502: 3647: 3158: 2462: 1062: 321: 231: 13525: 13508: 12733: 12114: 11813: 11719: 11425: 11266: 11259: 10934: 10559: 10406: 10396: 10391: 10200: 9863: 8736: 8553: 8546: 8364: 7522: 6513: 5189: 5159: 5147: 5093: 5035: 4845: 4492: 4477: 4300: 3808: 3522: 3285: 2304: 2200: 619: 250: 12204: 12149: 11487: 10179: 10078: 9314: 8873: 8757: 7661: 7637: 7412: 7022: 6570: 6298: 6274: 5522: 5314: 4999: 4887: 4274: 3851: 3410: 3201: 3044: 1510: 1005: 709: 562: 428: 354: 11784: 10998: 10411: 10261: 9233: 8089: 8051: 8036: 7934:, Someone up thread explained it well, but my summary is: someone on the board wondered if these resignations might be considered "under a cloud" by the WMF or T & S or the board, and they wanted to clarify they didn't feel that way and any such decision could be made by the community itself. 7375: 6692: 6616: 6444: 4865: 3962: 3551: 306: 12478: 12468: 12140:, thanks for your perspective on it. I think that particular issue, of admins being less likely to be willing to work in controversial areas, is one concern that's often been raised in regards to "admin recall" procedures. I don't know if de.wp has anything comparative to the English Knowledge's 11233: 8237: 7176: 6477: 6086: 5630: 4482: 4005: 106: 13415: 13158: 12739:"We feel strongly that this commitment is necessary for the Arbitration Committee to continue to perform the role it is assigned by the English Knowledge community. If we are unable to find a satisfactory resolution, at least four members of the committee have expressed the intention to resign." 10775: 10318: 10083: 9827: 7582: 7314: 6907: 6890: 4558: 4487: 840: 214: 199: 11589: 11572: 9797: 7607: 6194: 5845:"This could include current and upcoming initiatives, as well as re-evaluating or adding community input to the two new office action policy tools (temporary and partial Foundation bans)." might mean re-evaluating the existence of the new office tools, i.e., maybe take them away, ideally, imo. 4943: 4172: 12015: 11151: 10893: 8536: 8060: 7843: 6597: 3536: 12038: 7207: 6810: 13349: 12321: 11843: 9784: 10001: 6366: 10750: 5808: 6557: 5450: 6518: 11101:. I think impartiality could certainly be ensured with a limited redaction copy being provided (it could also be ensured by other, odder, means we haven't yet mooted). Fairness however, is questionable even if ARBCOM gets a full copy, because ensuring fairness for the accused requires 2222: 8520: 13301: 13211: 9648: 4944: 4435: 7023: 3572: 4541: 1321: 10246: 9189: 6302:"Even the larger projects struggle to effectively address the most difficult and controversial cases." -- A banal statement. If they weren't difficult & controversial, it would not be a struggle to solve them. So I don't know what the point of the paragraph that follows is. 13242: 11907: 11720: 9119: 6087: 5497: 5174: 3701: 2692: 754: 13150: 3060:- if ArbCom are able to review the length and scope, then it would be possible for them to reduce it to 'time served' (or, conversely, to lengthen it to indef). Regarding the scope, presumably they could change it from a siteban to an iban, or whatever they deem necessary. 7359: 934: 13619: 9792: 9134: 8989: 7577: 12373: 10114:. In industry, they measure lines of code written, or revenue generated, or quarterly increase in widget production. Here we measure edit count. What we don't measure is new editor recruitment, or current editor retention. Or even, collective editor time wasted at 5014: 8532: 8514: 6165:—then it is making clear that the Arbitration Policy is not binding, and is spitting in the face of all the people whose requests it has denied citing that policy over the years. It is furthermore cementing its own subservience to the Board by jumping on its command. 1422: 13544: 3831: 970: 10549: 9802:) leads people to underestimate the value of the editors who get driven off by incivility or the pointless disputes that waste our time and energy due to a few high-maintenance "diva" editors refusing to follow the fairly simple and lightweight requirements of 8611: 5079: 9706: 10110:, I agree with this, and the situation is not unique to projects like wikipedia. It's seen in industry too. Lots of big companies have their high-performing people, who also happen to be anything from just plain jerks to sexual predators. It's a case of, 3809: 10134: 5658:'asked' and 'compelled' is pretty much the same in the corporate world. I have asked/directed my assistant to waive the fee is basically telling them 'your job is to waive the fee, and if you don't you will have sucked at your job, with all that implies'. 4924: 13591: 12047: 11283: 6763: 1436: 3614: 13294: 12545: 9692: 4827: 12118: 12906: 10022: 4421: 513: 11270: 7597: 5734: 12887: 5415: 13562: 6829: 5715: 5044:, without being prejudiced by T&S's sanction, and make whatever judgment they see fit to make, as if none of this mess ever happened. Then, if ArbCom's sanction, or lack of sanction, differs from T&S's, we see how they respond to it -- 1035: 9256: 6795: 6155:? This will be anything but. It is a request for an advisory opinion and it is as such contrary to the policy and practice of the Arbitration Committee. If the Committee does this without following the process to modify its own policy—and that 3433: 11209: 355: 7124: 3981: 3457: 13350: 8642: 889: 13702: 4866: 549:, there is actually no proper hierarchy within the WMF, not in the sense that one would expect in a proper company anyway. And that is why, in spite of all the pretty pictures and laudatory CVs, they will not publish an arborescent 10999: 8564: 6625: 6617: 728: 13962: 10554: 6928: 1278: 11158: 6542: 6462: 2829: 2379: 11013: 5826: 13940: 11963: 4666: 9767: 12684: 12144: 10717: 7858: 10079: 6707: 4448: 4056: 3782: 825: 7407: 13957: 7613: 12382: 12296: 4651: 121: 8767: 8354: 8000: 6148: 10423: 8891: 8974: 8077: 4497: 841: 9745:, you'd support the outright ban of the three editors I listed above -- Eric Corbett, Tony Sidaway, & Betacommand? No matter just how valuable their contributions may be shown to be by a disinterested third party? -- 8481: 7154: 2625: 4428: 11981: 10935: 7435: 6282: 6607: 5342: 13155:). It is just that they either do not believe or understand that construing an argument in propositional terms can afford a valid set of objections to what they are doing, and which they should feel obliged to answer. 8449: 8029: 7966: 7328: 2673: 13832: 6968: 3836: 89: 84: 72: 67: 8748: 8501: 7653: 6885: 8469: 8230: 8203: 8187: 7853: 6528: 3177: 97: 59: 13102: 6900: 6845: 675: 13181:" (and we do have quite a few literalists in the community here too). I don't know how this will all work out, but the one thing I'm certain of is that a lot of people will be dissatisfied whatever the outcome. 11997: 6923: 6286: 5160: 4953: 13252: 13237: 11779: 7429: 7244: 7093: 7047: 7015: 3511: 10888: 10664: 10651: 10635: 10237: 8046: 7844: 4934: 2294: 11091: 8464: 8099: 4989: 1418: 438: 241: 13190: 13168: 13138: 13116: 11329: 11145: 10359: 9536: 9037: 8410: 8374: 8317: 8165: 6950: 4551: 4084: 12671: 12662: 12079: 10853: 10693: 9933: 9240: 8289: 209: 13087: 12527: 10903: 10444: 10435: 10413: 9098: 9076: 8882:. In the name of that, and for more transparency, I believe that Fram should be unbanned (best by those who banned him), and then the normal community procedures of conflict resolution could take place. -- 7656: 7353: 7031: 4512: 4259: 2865: 2702: 2687: 2649: 2635: 2616: 2602: 2588: 2574: 2560: 2217: 13912: 12582: 11879: 11482: 10626: 9562: 9431: 8945: 5199: 5184: 4661: 4528: 1098: 13664: 12976: 12922: 12233: 11763: 11514: 11404: 11349: 10351: 10337: 9496: 9228: 9209: 9179: 9129: 8782: 7774: 7217: 7202: 5868: 5065: 4676: 4466: 3951: 349: 224: 190: 13842: 13827: 13671: 12820: 12029: 11857: 11557: 11540: 11040: 10504: 10477: 10464: 10170: 10156: 10144: 10125: 9590: 9576: 9513: 9153: 8390:, and as such you will desist from attempting to patronise people. Those of us still approaching the WMF's actions with a semblance of good faith are—certainly were—in a rapidly decreasing demographic. 5896: 5646: 5335: 4113: 3937: 3141: 3112: 1074: 396: 336: 13950: 13856: 13721: 13697: 13436: 12479: 12419: 11934: 11914: 11895: 11023: 10841: 10544: 10273: 10256: 10043: 9550: 9522: 8722: 8621: 6142: 5836: 5744: 5681: 5373: 5105: 5024: 4230: 3756: 3711: 3594: 3098: 13765: 13342: 13311: 13071: 13057: 13031: 12273: 12227: 11298: 10929: 10821: 10741: 10712: 10342: 10303: 10287: 9893: 9888: 9299: 9280: 9051: 7297: 7236: 6650: 6096: 5722: 5445: 5299: 5210: 5169: 5140: 4727: 4565: 4475: 4453: 3991: 3875: 3861: 3383: 2280: 2232: 13659: 13645: 13363: 13062: 13000: 12986: 12959: 11008: 10782: 10766: 10751: 10684: 10378: 9461: 9442: 8606: 8156:. A hero who fought against unblockables? Very dubious. As for Ironholds, IRC is generally a nasty place and historically never held to anywhere near the standards of civility that Knowledge enjoys. 7680: 7647: 7632: 6805: 6580: 6552: 5273: 5258: 5009: 4875: 4783: 4757: 4701: 4646: 4629: 4611: 4400: 4387: 4348: 3051: 1377: 882: 857: 820: 806: 785: 771: 749: 719: 142: 13880: 12648: 12488: 12473: 12250: 12070: 10594: 10564: 9966: 9916: 9902: 9329: 8984: 8969: 8955: 8936: 8913: 8807: 7717: 6995: 6977: 6740: 6673: 6031:, which is why I said above I'd prefer if the board had used the word "appeal". I trust the forthcoming statement from T&S will make this clear. Either way, ArbCom can and should handle this. – 4396: 4206: 3921: 3690: 2457: 2428: 17: 13629: 13518: 13503: 13221: 12705: 12368: 12342: 12291: 12197: 12105: 12006: 11577: 11466: 11383: 10971: 10862: 9658: 8960: 8728: 8652: 8588: 7945: 6820: 5813: 5791: 5769: 5621: 5391: 5349: 5154: 4856: 4029: 3803: 3733: 2989: 2191: 695: 301: 13933: 13430: 12156: 11952: 11118: 11059: 10946: 10073: 9843: 7824: 7789: 7756: 7592: 7385: 7370: 6782: 6758: 6726: 6702: 6537: 6472: 6457: 6253: 5950: 5925: 5710: 5555: 5527: 5489: 5461: 5086: 4911: 4295: 4194: 4162: 4066: 3822: 3638: 3196: 2749: 2542: 835: 13535: 13480: 13459: 13400: 13381: 12306: 12267: 11692: 11659: 11623: 10957: 10401: 10093: 9815: 9763: 9754: 9732: 9643: 9478: 9032: 8274: 8258: 7924: 7896: 7882: 6941: 6514: 6487: 6414: 6380: 6345: 6215: 6123: 5604: 5515: 4973: 4837: 4574: 4223: 3567: 3295: 3280: 3252: 3172: 2934: 2804: 2783: 2357: 2032: 633: 607: 414: 316: 13741: 13601: 13585: 13554: 12719:"As of 30 June, two bureaucrats, 18 administrators, an ArbCom clerk, and a number of other editors have resigned their positions and/or retired from Knowledge editing in relation to this issue." 12505: 12414: 11420: 10210: 6869: 6437: 5584: 4605: 3546: 3490: 3467: 3338: 3317: 3238: 3211: 2729: 2523: 2509: 2328: 1045: 929: 899: 12461: 12428: 12173: 11975: 11848:, and sometimes to evaluate whether a particular issue is a mistake that is unlikely to repeat itself, but should never simply excuse a clear rules violation or result in lighter sanctions. -- 11139: 10985: 10431: 10189: 8543: 7726: 7117: 6501: 4822: 4236: 2849: 2766: 2486: 2472: 2411: 1339: 913: 730: 523: 508: 482: 262: 160: 47: 13790: 12452: 12396: 12132: 11449: 9682: 7541: 7477: 7457: 7283: 6079: 6047: 6023: 5999: 4331: 4314: 3972: 3907: 3846: 3664: 2950: 1432: 281: 11743: 11714: 8462: 4269: 3789: 947: 12081: 7134: 7081: 7065: 3452: 961: 12446: 12402: 10911: 9320: 7557: 7510: 7256: 5382: 4751: 4369: 3032: 3017: 2975: 1484: 383: 12115: 11990: 3777: 12205: 5117: 12667: 8476: 7701: 6664: 3364: 10008: 9337: 6507: 5760: 3531: 3426: 3405: 2887: 9194: 8362: 2966: 2622: 13325: 12790: 11959: 10416:.I don't know if it's true, but it appears to me as if they are more interested in power structures and powerplay than in actually building an encyclopedia. For me, these people feel 9670: 9596: 131: 13746: 5907: 13924: 12405:, we need to foster an environment where there isn't an advantage to acting unco-operatively. Without an incentive for poor behaviour, the unblockable issue becomes less important. 11263: 7981: 3912: 13918: 7971: 376: 12853: 6566: 1506: 13015:'Waal, gen'lemn, the hard world of warfare ain't cut out for beaten about the bush, so frankly, lemme shoot straight and cut to the chase. I think it's the asshole of the world.' 1182: 11635: 9261: 9424: 2909: 448: 13143: 10894: 8634: 6128: 3794: 200: 11801: 10976: 4972: 2514: 11359: 9217:, I am totally on-board with a reassessment of how we handle harassment, include the challenging task of defining it, as well as rethinking our standard DR escalation model. 6811: 3523: 2832: 2448: 2389: 9690: 13750: 3390: 2980: 2579: 1679: 1173: 405: 8875: 3472: 3359: 13005: 12828: 12745: 12347: 10812: 10387: 9666: 8554: 1084: 1080: 922: 456: 251: 113: 12434: 11409: 6188: 5809: 8796: 1370: 641: 422: 12150: 10656: 7070: 6591: 3768: 3259: 3232:- I highly doubt this, there are many types of NDA's - and most of the volunteer ones don't require actually presenting identification or providing your real name. — 1353: 13421: 13009:. After preliminaries, speeches had been delivered and dinner served, they took their post-prandial drinks over cigars, and the elderly gentleman politely inquired:- 12620: 8900: 12991: 8438: 8435: 8432: 8429: 8015: 8012: 8009: 8006: 5364: 3926: 13411: 11698: 10951: 9780:- and I don't think we should give individual editors a pass to ignore core policies based on their history. So it would depend on their willingness to adhere to 6973: 3329: 1800: 1470: 13726: 11590: 11130: 7515: 5612: 116: 12084:. On one hand, the conclusion given by Softlavender is quite fair, but the end result was nothing was done. I think we can hold each other to a higher standard. 10573: 4559: 1795: 776: 364: 9435: 4417: 1394: 13805: 7394: 5532: 1480: 499:, and then click on the individual people to get to their user page on meta, which link to their user pages on their home wikis (provided that they have one). 8518: 7709:, especially when it comes to longstanding editors, then this was one of the worst possible ways to go about it. (And if their goal was to take on enforcing 2381: 6195: 11337: 1311: 11706:, pointing out that it may deter candidates and also deplete the existing administrative pool (i.e. it would have the opposite effect that was intended). – 9719: 9159: 7659: 1185: 13471: 12913: 12209: 11546: 9310: 9019: 1408: 6851: 5040: 2738: 904: 387: 7004: 1498: 12653: 11509: 7338: 1828: 7546: 3558: 12967: 12576: 12096: 11241: 10510: 4439: 2831: 13093: 10392: 7776: 7638: 1744: 12857: 6385: 3942: 996: 790: 7975:" statement, so those who would not be satisfied with any less than that were always going to be disappointed. I also strongly disagree with the " 13863: 13772: 13704: 13486: 12942: 12274: 12210: 12180: 10695: 10320: 10034: 8295: 8241: 7807: 7739: 7663: 7615: 7524: 7440: 7266: 6909: 6852: 6765: 6709: 6633: 6198: 6103: 6062: 6028: 6006: 5930: 5908: 5498: 4684: 4634: 4612: 3495: 3473: 3435: 3179: 1836: 12043: 11191: 6005: 4794: 4843:... we recommend T&S focus on the most severe cases, (...) until consultation and agreement between T&S and the community are achieved. 4458: 1198: 8280: 6317: 1841: 13593: 13546: 13527: 13121: 12869: 12480: 12453: 12406: 12298: 12242: 9674: 9252: 8126: 2879: 1823: 12560: 9715:, they should get a block without regard for any other part of their history, because a refusal to edit collaboratively means that they are 6749: 563: 12638: 11426: 8878: 8550: 4846: 4075: 2957: 12531: 9858:@Aquillion - there are not "four boxes". At most, they're fluffy clouds. If they had clear, rigid, barriers then things would be clearer. 9759: 8218: 7697: 2344: 10443:"Some admins of this type apparently try to make me feel small and worthless because they somehow imagine I have lower status because of 5074: 4319: 1815: 1790: 12892: 12731: 10757:, speaking as a third-generation inhabitant of Portland, Oregon -- although I'll concede we have a few shallow hipsters living here. -- 8456: 5422: 365: 12524: 9702: 7973: 7096:" There will not be further cases until there is agreement from the community. Thus no need to commit to defer future cases to arbcom. 1133: 11225: 8365: 7901: 3721: 13609: 12778: 12554: 11702: 10019: 9949: 8593: 8458: 8398: 8342: 7342: 1810: 1553: 3163: 2774: 432: 10005: 7439: 7288: 3103:"That is also my understanding of what we meant" does not really inspire confidence in the clarity or strength of the statement... 2336: 5631: 621: 13200: 12255: 11703: 11643: 11182: 6236: 4336: 1805: 12601: 10226: 8120: 8086: 1335: 4806: 2248: 2201: 1104: 11275: 11162: 10118: 1714: 1544: 1255: 460: 435: 380: 178: 11340:. It may be time to revisit this, but those previous discussions are a good place to look before we formally propose this. 11197: 8703: 6632: 5971: 2551:, and my contempt for trying to stir up shit when the community/ArbCom/WMF/board/Jimbo have made very significant progress. 1130: 12699: 12336: 11814: 8876: 8460:. This is represented by the two new "tools" the office awarded themselves in February, namely temporary and partial bans. 5329: 5235: 4289: 129: 12753: 9355: 8330: 2875: 9948: 8529:. It would be a stronger statement if a sentence were included to the effect, after taKing advice from the WP community. 3606: 9315: 8557: 6731: 5204: 811: 11822:, but it doesn't excuse repeated incivility.) It would also help to try and establish some more clear "red lines" for 11500:, the issue is dismissed. But if X (auto-confirmed/extended confirmed) people agreeing they lost faith in an admin for 6238: 9020: 6136: 2205: 1673: 559: 12877: 12711: 12542: 11089: 10830: 9149: 8185: 8132: 8018: 7405: 4210:? The constitutional nature of this argument (who has the jurisdiction, the ArbCom or the T&S), make me think of 3509: 2661: 2607: 2500: 2385: 1692: 13078: 9265: 8057: 3373: 1764: 13640: 12263: 12169: 11462: 11400: 11336: 7575: 6991: 6937: 5407: 4965: 4344: 4327: 3751: 3659: 3286: 2744: 878: 852: 801: 766: 745: 10675: 3045: 2593: 2477: 13968: 13581: 11699: 10586: 10536: 10149: 7109: 6562: 6406: 6337: 6321: 6186: 5291: 4930: 4186: 4105: 3682: 3586: 3272: 3133: 3090: 2926: 2419: 1349: 13044: 12088: 12020: 11886: 8144: 6244: 1774: 13874: 13715: 13497: 12953: 12285: 12234: 12221: 12191: 11730: 11639:(in which case it only matters that 7 specific editors like you) but if that approach worked, we wouldn't have 11610: 11527: 11488: 11436: 11230: 11226: 10706: 10331: 8575: 8527: 8252: 8138: 7911: 7869: 7818: 7750: 7674: 7626: 7535: 7451: 7277: 7189: 6863: 6776: 6720: 6644: 6209: 6073: 6017: 5919: 5883: 5668: 5632: 5542: 5509: 5476: 5432: 5245: 5127: 4898: 4695: 4623: 4016: 3625: 3484: 3446: 3190: 2315: 2267: 2178: 2019: 1759: 1156: 662: 13012: 12860:. (Disclosure: I made a statement in the latter case, and also participated in the related discussion at ANI). 8927: 5278: 13800: 13760: 13692: 13248: 13186: 13175: 13134: 13098: 12881: 12785: 11324: 11035: 10924: 9997: 9204: 8445: 8405: 8349: 8285: 8025: 7996: 7348: 5641: 5601: 5358: 3932: 2861: 2698: 2669: 2645: 2612: 2584: 2556: 2503: 1639: 11237: 10560: 9555: 9039: 8879: 3023: 1734: 11303: 11079: 10108: 8175: 7395: 4969: 3499: 3498:, the statement was a bit hazy but I agree about Amakuru's impressions. And, now Jimbo has confirmed it:-) 2565: 2213: 1754: 1729: 1466: 1363: 369: 12907: 12539: 10319: 9623: 8488: 7987: 6448: 4410: 870: 13786: 12570: 12089: 11770: 10879: 10850: 10590: 10540: 9879:"Toxic constructive editors must go" is a red herring. It's never going to be a useful yardstick for us. 8068: 7113: 6410: 6341: 5575: 5295: 4190: 4109: 3686: 3590: 3276: 3137: 3094: 2930: 1921: 11471: 11185: 9610: 6836: 6151: 12361: 10347: 8114: 7293: 7213: 7150: 6612: 4926: 4153: 1860: 38: 10060: 8426: 7780: 7611: 12668: 12645: 12238: 11552: 11477: 10661: 10646: 10632: 10631: 10621: 10298: 10268: 10232: 10166: 10140: 9930: 7174: 6831: 5863: 2140: 2048: 1769: 1248: 172: 11818: 11392: 7738: 7265:? Do you seriously believe this should rise and fall on the value of WMF's intellectual property? —/ 13946: 13908: 13755: 13687: 13307: 13244: 13182: 13152: 13130: 13094: 13083: 12865: 12796: 12771: 12694: 12331: 12025: 11319: 11030: 10919: 9925: 9798: 9532: 9311: 9214: 9199: 9165: 9072: 8763: 8594: 8441: 8419: 8391: 8335: 8281: 8021: 7992: 7343: 5755: 5688: 5653: 5636: 5324: 4284: 4080: 4062: 3927: 3108: 2857: 2694: 2665: 2641: 2608: 2580: 2552: 1610: 1571: 594: 237: 12493: 5466: 2660: 2289: 13509: 12470: 11891: 11004: 10817: 10737: 10500: 10487: 10460: 9602:"Toxic member" & "positive contributor" & "many supporters" can be traced to two effects: 9394: 8151: 7463: 6603: 6367: 6092: 5832: 5369: 5180: 5101: 5061: 4657: 4570: 4383: 3563: 3243: 2894: 2239: 2228: 2209: 2160: 2156: 2104: 1981: 1933: 1601: 1093: 1069: 346: 12760: 9723: 8240: 7977: 7417:. Fuck. Not good. Not self-aware. Not attached to the community culture. Not hopeful. We waited 6134:. That is a very specific word with a very specific meaning in the English language, and if you 4927: 1661: 1387: 147: 13896: 13823: 13233: 13067: 13006: 12996: 12972: 12918: 12658: 11765: 11644: 11640: 10874: 10753: 10374: 9962: 9912: 9884: 9125: 9094: 9047: 8965: 8932: 8887: 8717: 8602: 8105: 8095: 8063: 7962: 7643: 7588: 7381: 7324: 5850: 5590: 5269: 5195: 5165: 4779: 4723: 4642: 4601: 4397: 4256: 3707: 3542: 3374: 3069: 2424: 2064: 1855: 1126: 392: 331: 205: 12799:, there has been extensive discussion on Wikimedia-l, although the discussion has slowed. See 11289: 11203: 8108: 6225: 6171: 4637:, was this reply meant for me? I just asked that it be posted at AN, which Primefac has done. 4488: 1532: 13963: 13852: 13838: 13577: 13526: 13338: 12681: 11930: 11875: 11798: 11363: 11308: 11114: 10837: 10776: 10343: 9559: 9412: 9389: 9145: 8199: 8161: 8109: 7289: 7241: 7209: 7169: 7146: 6816: 6736: 6669: 6548: 5977: 5020: 5005: 4949: 4871: 4672: 4547: 4524: 3987: 3857: 2985: 2068: 1957: 1749: 1307: 13485: 12839: 11943: 11870: 9876: 6240: 5935:"To resolve matters unsuitable for public discussion for privacy, legal, or similar reasons" 4275: 13900: 13655: 13625: 13569: 13514: 13476: 13396: 13359: 12840: 12833: 12829: 12712: 12632: 12625: 12621: 12614: 12607: 12260: 12166: 12066: 11584: 11547: 11472: 11459: 11397: 11345: 10859: 10680: 10641: 10616: 10561: 10474: 10432: 10293: 10263: 10227: 10162: 10136: 10069: 10039: 9492: 9399: 9270: 9223: 9174: 9086: 9003: 8778: 8617: 7940: 6988: 6964: 6934: 5858: 4803: 4341: 4324: 4310: 3968: 3947: 3903: 3871: 3842: 3747: 3655: 2538: 2290: 1977: 1273: 1241: 1041: 875: 848: 816: 797: 781: 762: 742: 715: 691: 276: 168: 12631: 12613: 12606: 6324: 496: 8: 13942: 13929: 13904: 13303: 13217: 13164: 13112: 13079: 13053: 13027: 12873: 12804: 12800: 12689: 12686: 12680: 12392: 12326: 12323: 12021: 12002: 11853: 11809: 11648: 11497: 11019: 10981: 10899: 10582: 10532: 9811: 9728: 9654: 9639: 9629: 9586: 9572: 9528: 9509: 9368: 9325: 9068: 9028: 8803: 8759: 8370: 8313: 7785: 7722: 7105: 6881: 6754: 6698: 6576: 6468: 6453: 6402: 6333: 6249: 6052: 5946: 5787: 5765: 5740: 5706: 5617: 5319: 5316: 5287: 5096:- surely an acknowledgement that conduct issues should be handled by Arbcom not T&S. 4852: 4683: 4508: 4279: 4276: 4265: 4182: 4128: 4101: 4089: 4076: 4058: 3917: 3799: 3678: 3582: 3268: 3168: 3129: 3117: 3104: 3086: 2922: 2797: 2779: 2120: 2116: 1961: 1941: 1905: 1893: 1739: 1630: 1589: 1404: 1150: 909: 649: 629: 586: 504: 444: 233: 220: 186: 156: 13958: 7523: 2202: 13666: 13465: 12424: 12151: 12101: 11948: 11919: 11909: 11887: 11726: 11606: 11523: 11432: 11379: 11194: 11135: 11045: 11000: 10952: 10813: 10777: 10733: 10520: 10496: 10470: 10456: 10153: 10122: 9838: 9546: 9379: 9316: 9294: 9277: 9247: 9235: 8648: 8571: 8466: 8267: 8223: 7907: 7892: 7865: 7849: 7564: 7185: 6599: 6524: 6483: 6117: 6088: 5963: 5879: 5828: 5729: 5717: 5664: 5538: 5472: 5428: 5402: 5365: 5241: 5176: 5123: 5097: 5057: 4983: 4894: 4653: 4566: 4379: 4219: 4211: 4207: 4158: 4040: 4012: 3816: 3621: 3601: 3559: 3248: 3057: 3046: 3039: 2722: 2311: 2263: 2243: 2224: 2174: 2164: 2084: 2072: 2015: 1989: 1953: 1945: 1204: 1088: 1064: 658: 590: 13634: 12847: 9012: 7319:, and if the staff doesn't implement it satisfactorily, they can intervene as needed. 7092: 7036: 6371:. These merely emphasize my opinion that the Board's statement was poorly written. -- 4922: 2888: 2791: 2252: 686: 13819: 13736: 13443: 13426: 13330: 13290: 13229: 13063: 12992: 12968: 12914: 12880:. There may be further changes to that page; some related discussion may be found on 12654: 12012: 11819: 11294: 11173: 10762: 10517: 10370: 10252: 10206: 9958: 9908: 9898: 9880: 9750: 9716: 9121: 9090: 9062: 9043: 8980: 8961: 8951: 8928: 8909: 8883: 8704: 8598: 8174:, do you know what a wheel war is? 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Since no candidature was launched desysop followed. There is another example of 8995: 8918: 8798: 6876: 4473: 4420: 360: 13782: 13651: 13635: 13621: 13510: 13472: 13412: 13392: 13355: 12384: 12257: 12163: 12093: 12062: 11971: 11840: 11835: 11823: 11810: 11806: 11790: 11493: 11489: 11456: 11415: 11394: 11341: 11099:"to insure fairness and impartiality without requiring in full with the Arbcom?" 10676: 10514: 10065: 10035: 9803: 9786: 9781: 9769: 9712: 9703: 9488: 9266: 9262: 9253: 9218: 9169: 9082: 8774: 8613: 7935: 7710: 7706: 7702: 7552: 7472: 7365: 7251: 7231: 7076: 7042: 7010: 6985: 6960: 6931: 6042: 5994: 5387: 4817: 4338: 4321: 4306: 4000: 3964: 3943: 3899: 3867: 3838: 3743: 3651: 2739: 2534: 2439: 2076: 1937: 1901: 1897: 1037: 957: 895: 872: 844: 812: 793: 777: 758: 739: 711: 687: 574: 519: 478: 468: 312: 271: 137: 12905: 12888: 11374: 11109: 10412: 9541: 5873: 4748: 110: 46: 13925: 13573: 13453: 13213: 13160: 13108: 13049: 13023: 12814: 12588: 12388: 12355: 12128: 11998: 11986: 11900: 11849: 11734: 11712: 11614: 11531: 11440: 11127: 11015: 10977: 10895: 10574: 10524: 10490: 10103: 9977: 9822: 9807: 9740: 9724: 9650: 9635: 9582: 9568: 9505: 9321: 9024: 8799: 8579: 8489: 8381: 8366: 8309: 8042: 7915: 7873: 7781: 7718: 7601: 7193: 7097: 7026: 6974: 6877: 6750: 6694: 6572: 6534: 6464: 6449: 6394: 6386: 6353: 6325: 6245: 5942: 5887: 5810: 5783: 5776: 5761: 5751: 5736: 5702: 5672: 5613: 5546: 5524: 5480: 5456: 5452: 5436: 5398: 5344: 5279: 5249: 5230: 5221: 5205: 5149: 5131: 4902: 4882: 4847: 4795: 4587: 4504: 4261: 4201: 4174: 4120: 4093: 4047: 4020: 3913: 3893: 3795: 3784: 3670: 3629: 3574: 3360: 3260: 3164: 3121: 3078: 2914: 2792: 2775: 2345: 2319: 2271: 2182: 2152: 2148: 2128: 2096: 2023: 1965: 1909: 1580: 1562: 1295: 1233: 1194: 905: 666: 625: 544: 536: 500: 440: 410: 216: 182: 152: 12644: 11366: 10455: 9634: 9439: 8659: 926: 13616: 12983: 12420: 12379: 12097: 11944: 11794: 11722: 11689: 11684: 11656: 11630: 11602: 11595: 11574: 11519: 11505: 11428: 11375: 11371: 11367: 11131: 10369: 10150: 10119: 10115: 10053: 9829: 9542: 9519: 9425: 9405: 9285: 9274: 9258: 8744: 8644: 8567: 7931: 7903: 7888: 7861: 7845: 7222: 7181: 6520: 6479: 6135: 6111: 5875: 5695: 5660: 5534: 5468: 5424: 5237: 5119: 5112: 5081: 4977: 4890: 4752: 4215: 4169: 4154: 4008: 3810: 3617: 3527: 3418: 3397: 3324: 3312: 3308: 3244: 3233: 3009: 2504: 2307: 2259: 2170: 2056: 2011: 1969: 1188: 1178: 1169: 654: 373: 307: 258: 11966: 2757: 13727: 13422: 13286: 12589: 12499: 12440: 12141: 11831: 11304: 11290: 10758: 10556: 10248: 10221: 10202: 9992: 9894: 9777: 9746: 9620: 9607: 9472: 9374: 8976: 8947: 8905: 7800: 6892: 6837: 6797: 6429: 6372: 5593: 4829: 4593: 4583: 4361: 4053: 3886: 3459: 3330: 3302: 3287: 3218: 3203: 3024: 2997: 2967: 2901: 2841: 2758: 2679: 2627: 2594: 2566: 2515: 2478: 2464: 2449: 2443: 2403: 2299: 2100: 1889: 1007: 827: 614: 599: 564: 293: 18: 9615: 8821: 6320: 361: 13373: 11827: 10723: 10279: 10181: 10180: 10085: 9773: 9699: 9450: 9007: 8870: 8834: 8829: 7770: 7126: 7054: 6493: 5576: 4231: 3769: 3722: 3226: 2939: 2080: 1973: 936: 918: 98: 12161: 10161: 9347: 8547:.... I would be mindful of the laws relating to 'malicious allegation's' 8428:", these follow-up clarifications from Jimmy Wales provide the answer - 1650: 13777: 11967: 11410: 11213: 10964: 9772: 8991: 7570: 7547: 7503: 7467: 7422: 7360: 7246: 7226: 7165: 7088: 7071: 7037: 7005: 6032: 5984: 5974: 5383: 4807: 2136: 953: 952: 891: 550: 540: 515: 490: 474: 464: 342: 308: 132: 13201:'You are not focusing on the specific problem raised in this section,' 12557: 11146: 9872: 9198: 7497: 7494:(Prohibited behavior per this ToU clause that was supposedly breached) 6106:, I think this is a good time to remember that Knowledge policies are 5857: 455: 13448: 12809: 12767: 12585: 12349: 12179: 12137: 12124: 11982: 11707: 10615: 9449: 9384: 8038: 6275: 2092: 582: 406: 12057: 11785: 11647: 11314: 13437: 12567: 11508: 11050: 10937: 8739: 5941: 3524: 3413: 3392: 3004: 578: 267: 253: 13264: 13129:". In civil discussion, I'd say one is acceptable and one is not. 12085: 11206: 1523: 1460: 1079: 13892: 12496: 12437: 11075: 9711: 9469: 8053: 13123: 12858: 12536: 8636: 8264: 5036: 734: 473: 13018:'Well, of course, sir,' the don replied quietly, 'you are just 11454: 11155: 9466: 7736: 13285:. Silly me. I did think Jimbo had darker hair than that ..."-- 13179: 9518: 8924: 8219: 7466:#4 seems pretty clear that civility is a requirement. Regards 4251: 2623: 429: 12872:, including being changed to communicate that it describes a 11360: 10912: 10726:– both located on the West coast of the United States – have 9067: 4888: 127: 13268: 12866: 12563: 10052: 8508: 232: 11267: 9985: 9338: 9021: 8480: 7499: 13145: 8359: 6908: 11358: 9907: 8729: 8005: 6959: 5610: 4092: 3002: 2678: 12235: 11517: 11318:, which is opt-in but very similar to what de.wp uses. — 11227: 8525: 368: 12551: 8388: 7802: 6161: 1001: 13615: 12752: 925: 6061:. This is NOT changed by this worthless statement. —/ 1493: 13127: 8540: 8058: 6138:. Knowledge is "not law", but that does not and has 2640: 495: 292: 13752: 11305: 7421:for this non-committal statement? Not good enough. 7317: 6508: 1621: 1137:(there seems to be a lack of interest in the idea). 1115: 652:has been created to address some of these issues. 11490:rouge neo-Marxist admin working for the reptilians 11078:is at all true. From where do you ascertain that? 9581:Thank you. This is why the ArbCom is respected. -- 9527:Not perfect, but plenty good enough to endorse! -- 8998:). The consequences of its advent were set out by 8880:"kindness, generosity, forgiveness and compassion" 6492:Why did it take so long to release this statement 6231:considers the resignations not to be under a cloud 6177:considers the resignations not to be under a cloud 5455:) explaining what and why something was withheld. 4521:^This seems to hit the nail squarely on the head. 1207:- June 31 issue published. In particular, note ... 1010:. We get only narrow glimpses of the whole person. 642:The WMF is disconnected from the editing community 12909:: "Almost three years ago, the board published a 12387:by being really active or something like that. -- 4964:For the record, while it could be unrelated, the 4747:to write an encylopedia, but the WM Foundation's 3120:I will also back ArbCom on whatever they decide. 2208:(Your ping list includes several former staff.) 13199:Do newbies know that even saying something like, 12239:has discussed the problems of online communities 9597:The reason "unblockables" are, well, unblockable 7334:would imagine that someone like that would be a 3866:It's a shame the Board did not make that clear. 3077:That is also my understanding of what we meant. 1263: 5626:Don't "ask" T&S to co-operate with ArbCom. 6363:the project communities rights & freedoms. 5983:I'd say this is well within ArbCom's remit. – 5933:, Good thing it seems to clearly be a case of 12092:, and I think it would be easier to maintain 2463:to do so wouldn't be the way to go about it. 1249: 558:According to Katherine Maher's replies to me 13919:It's happening: The community "consultation" 12595:After that, one year term to be cruel again. 11655:would have been wrong for appointing them.) 11250:nach Wiederwahlaufforderung nicht kandidiert 9160:A stunning lack of perspective by the office 8638:, under "Partial Foundation ban," it states 5782:that has already had gasoline poured on it. 4592:would one of you mind cross-posting this to 4443:as the word harassment ever used by the WMF? 4052:Perhaps a nitpicky question, but I see that 3648:I ask this out of curiosity, nothing more.) 11866:" requests. This is fine, but we'd have to 11862:People are mooting using 'Crats to screen " 11200:No reason necessary, just drop a signature. 9430:I linked this on meta at the talk pages of 7983:". I agree that not allowing ArbCom to see 7887:As it should be, so why mention it at all? 5822:Can't the Board's statement be cnsidered a 4714:Words missing from the board statement: #1 620:of Community Engagement who is part of the 11338:it's entry on our perennial proposals page 11307:. Our controversial areas tend to attract 9016:which forecasts much of what we have here. 8820: 8511:Para 1. An acceptable content free filler. 1256: 1242: 7519:grounds for terminating service. I quote: 3669:Yes the entire board signed off on this. 2664:would obviously not be the place for it. 13263: 12911:strong statement against toxic behaviors 12891: 11504:poor judgment (with diffs) and repeated 10732:the same interests, likes and dislikes. 122:Discussion (Katherine Maher's statement) 12082:this issue with Ymblanter as an example 11169:It is called “Request for Re-election”. 9354:This section is pinned and will not be 8194:Was unaware if this definition. Sorry. 4429:Fram’s invitation to T&S on 12 June 2533:Completely unnecessary and disruptive. 2392:of the compromises proposed. Thank you. 14: 12896:Not just toxic; "incredibly toxic"...? 10793:BTW, I believe Knowledge should cover 8483:.... which I'm generally pleased with, 1197:- Bigger items of discussion included 1183:an expansion of Account Creator Rights 1181:- Bigger items of discussion included 461:meta: Wikimedia_Foundation_departments 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 12878:an English Knowledge community policy 8238:purpose and mechanisms are completed; 7979:" line. What we effectively have is " 7179:That seems pretty reasonable to me. 2880:Update from the Arbitration Committee 2856:It's CLOSED and not going to happen! 1237: 107:purpose and mechanisms are completed; 13806:"There will be resistance to change" 12086:Another similar issue with Gatoclass 9341: 9273:? Sometimes it's hard to tell. -- 9081:I learned two things today: we have 8017:) and the statement from Katherine ( 7462:I don't know which ToU you read but 6057:outside the Committee’s jurisdiction 2814: 2364: 2305:of their regular responsibilities. 25: 9929:everyone else who thinks that way. 6745:Doc James is one of the people who 3202:the decisions already made by WMF. 23: 11234:establishing WMF Community health. 10516:and again in 2014 for edit warring 8869:Late reply - yesterday I was busy 8640:They are final and non-negotiable. 6197:For God's sakes, don't do this. —/ 3898:- Why was the Chair not involved? 1199:Phase 2 of talk page consultations 737:. But I do share your concerns. -- 24: 13979: 13610:Fram arbitration case is now open 13386:I have no quarrel with using the 12575:Currently one recall election is 7703:getting Al Capone for tax evasion 7662:they can be held to its terms. —/ 6393:. There was no nefarious intent. 5937:and that they have the option to 4173:agreement is reached on process. 4125:, I also have same question with 2662:MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn 2501:MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn 13812:People who do not wish to comply 11370:or had their article go through 11172:I did not find that approach in 11166:to avoid power misuse by anyone. 10513:back in 2013 for civility issues 9487:letter. Thank you, well done. -- 9346: 9089:, and we know what to prefer. -- 6278:First, there is no mention of a 4493:into a position where they were 2871:The discussion above is closed. 2818: 2368: 2337:Editpage-head-copy-warn petition 571:) 03:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC) Add: 29: 13682:I was expecting the case to be 12053:new desysop mechanism needs to 11844:immensely. It can be used for 11700:User:EVula/opining/RfA overhaul 10064:handing it over to T&S). -- 7989:Do not share with ArbCom/anyone 6221:In fact, the Board has made it 6167:In fact, the Board has made it 4503:like this because reasons." -- 3056:I interpret it the same way as 1174:moving (local) files to commons 9271:call out a colleague in public 9010:, in his early post-war poem, 5094:and the community are achieved 1157:de:Knowledge Diskussion:Kurier 13: 1: 11183:Administrators open to recall 9950:this edit from a few days ago 9567:Thank you for saying this. -- 7415:primary theme of your message 6688:Doc James (who is, remember, 6180:. The Board does not and has 2825:The Wikimedia Foundation has 2621:Please accept my apology for 2375:The Wikimedia Foundation has 1172:- Bigger items of discussion 1111:For distribution to WMF Staff 12602:Pine's emails to Wikimedia-l 11126:Perhaps re-establishing the 10918:or family. As for (2), no. — 10799:the subjects of interest to 9667:discussed in another section 8332:that is no permission at all 4133:. In particular the sentence 2958:Discussion (board statement) 1264:Active Wikimedia newsletters 370:Council on Foreign Relations 7: 13951:12:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC) 13934:18:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 13913:12:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC) 13881:23:22, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 13857:23:11, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 13843:22:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 13828:16:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC) 13040:I concur 'toxic' should be 12090:Knowledge:Assume good faith 11181:It is similar to voluntary 11128:personal attack noticeboard 10112:be careful what you measure 9042:, in case you missed it. -- 8294:I would like to agree with 5592:– any specific examples? – 5091:I think the key section is 4966:community health initiative 4449:WMFOffice’s 11 June comment 471:) 11:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC) 167:Thank you for this letter, 10: 13984: 13818:. Yeah, no fallacy there. 13442:Thank you for the update, 12061:is failing in some way. -- 11252:(no candidature) and some 10963:that question is central. 8851:trying to conduct business 7573:says, the TOU also state: 2827:recently adopted processes 2377:recently adopted processes 645: 13791:09:10, 29 July 2019 (UTC) 13766:21:25, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 13742:12:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 13722:19:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13698:19:46, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13672:15:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13660:14:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13646:14:25, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13630:14:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC) 13602:01:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC) 13586:01:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC) 13555:23:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 13536:21:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 13519:20:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 13504:20:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 13481:20:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC) 13460:18:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC) 13431:20:03, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 13401:18:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 13382:13:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC) 13364:19:47, 12 July 2019 (UTC) 13343:20:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC) 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June 2019 (UTC) 8845:unresponsive bureaucracy, 8841: 8828: 8819: 6358:, the sentence you quote 3852:users in the community.-- 1850: 1783: 1705: 1449: 1294: 1269: 948:17:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 930:13:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 914:13:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 900:12:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 883:23:54, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 858:04:37, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 836:03:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC) 821:22:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 807:22:40, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 786:22:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 772:22:29, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 750:22:14, 29 June 2019 (UTC) 13897:Twenty Seconds to Comply 13686:given prior precedent. — 12882:the associated talk page 12791:03:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC) 12506:23:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC) 12489:18:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12474:13:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12462:14:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC) 12447:16:25, 6 July 2019 (UTC) 12429:09:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12415:08:35, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12397:06:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12369:05:42, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12343:05:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12307:08:29, 5 July 2019 (UTC) 12292:06:13, 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1648: 1645: 1641:Status updates 1636: 1627: 1624: 1619: 1616: 1607: 1598: 1595: 1591:Wikimedia News 1586: 1577: 1568: 1559: 1550: 1541: 1538: 1529: 1520: 1517: 1503: 1491: 1477: 1463: 1458: 1453: 1451: 1447: 1446: 1444: 1443: 1429: 1415: 1401: 1384: 1367: 1360: 1346: 1332: 1318: 1303: 1301: 1292: 1291: 1289: 1288: 1281: 1279:Recent Changes 1276: 1270: 1267: 1266: 1261: 1260: 1253: 1246: 1238: 1232: 1231: 1227: 1226: 1222: 1221: 1217: 1216: 1212: 1211: 1208: 1205:en:WP:SIGNPOST 1202: 1192: 1186: 1176: 1166: 1165: 1161: 1160: 1154: 1147: 1146: 1142: 1141: 1138: 1123: 1122: 1112: 1110: 1109: 1106: 1103: 1102: 1101: 1085:this statement 1081:this statement 1077: 1059: 1058: 1057: 1056: 1055: 1054: 1053: 1052: 1051: 1050: 1049: 1048: 1022: 1021: 1020: 1019: 1018: 1017: 1016: 1015: 1014: 1013: 1012: 1011: 983: 982: 981: 980: 979: 978: 977: 976: 975: 974: 973: 972: 965: 964: 886: 885: 868: 867: 866: 865: 864: 863: 862: 861: 860: 838: 752: 725: 724: 723: 722: 704: 703: 702: 701: 700: 699: 643: 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13171: 13170: 13166: 13162: 13157: 13154: 13149: 13146: 13142: 13141: 13140: 13136: 13132: 13128: 13124: 13120: 13119: 13118: 13114: 13110: 13106: 13105: 13104: 13100: 13096: 13092: 13091: 13089: 13085: 13081: 13077: 13073: 13069: 13065: 13061: 13060: 13059: 13055: 13051: 13047: 13043: 13039: 13033: 13029: 13025: 13021: 13017: 13014: 13011: 13008: 13004: 13003: 13002: 12998: 12994: 12990: 12989: 12988: 12985: 12984:Dirk Beetstra 12980: 12978: 12974: 12970: 12966: 12963: 12961: 12955: 12949: 12945: 12930: 12924: 12920: 12916: 12912: 12908: 12904: 12903: 12902: 12901: 12900: 12899: 12894: 12883: 12879: 12875: 12871: 12867: 12864: 12863: 12859: 12855: 12851: 12850: 12846: 12845: 12842: 12835: 12831: 12822: 12818: 12813: 12806: 12802: 12798: 12794: 12793: 12792: 12789: 12784: 12782: 12777: 12775: 12769: 12765: 12764: 12755: 12751: 12750: 12747: 12743: 12742: 12738: 12737: 12732: 12728: 12727: 12723: 12722: 12718: 12717: 12714: 12707: 12703: 12698: 12693: 12688: 12683: 12679: 12673: 12670: 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12152:Seraphimblade 12148: 12143: 12139: 12136: 12135: 12134: 12130: 12126: 12121: 12117: 12113: 12112: 12107: 12103: 12099: 12095: 12091: 12087: 12083: 12078: 12077: 12076: 12075: 12072: 12068: 12064: 12060: 12056: 12051: 12046: 12042: 12037: 12036: 12031: 12027: 12023: 12019: 12014: 12010: 12009: 12008: 12004: 12000: 11996: 11992: 11988: 11984: 11979: 11978: 11977: 11973: 11969: 11965: 11961: 11958: 11957: 11954: 11950: 11946: 11942: 11941: 11936: 11932: 11928: 11927: 11921: 11920:Seraphimblade 11918: 11917: 11916: 11911: 11910:Seraphimblade 11906: 11902: 11899: 11897: 11893: 11889: 11888:Leaky caldron 11885: 11884: 11881: 11877: 11873: 11869: 11865: 11861: 11859: 11855: 11851: 11847: 11842: 11837: 11833: 11829: 11825: 11821: 11817: 11812: 11808: 11804: 11800: 11796: 11792: 11788: 11783: 11781: 11778: 11774: 11769: 11761: 11760: 11745: 11740: 11736: 11732: 11728: 11724: 11718: 11717: 11716: 11713: 11711: 11710: 11705: 11701: 11697: 11696: 11694: 11691: 11686: 11679: 11678: 11677: 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11205: 11202: 11199: 11196: 11193: 11190: 11189: 11187: 11186: 11184: 11180: 11175: 11171: 11168: 11165: 11161: 11157: 11154: 11153: 11150: 11149: 11141: 11137: 11133: 11129: 11125: 11122: 11120: 11116: 11112: 11108: 11104: 11100: 11097: 11096: 11093: 11090: 11088: 11086: 11077: 11076: 11071: 11070: 11061: 11057: 11055: 11054: 11047: 11046:Shhhnotsoloud 11044: 11043: 11042: 11039: 11034: 11033: 11027: 11026: 11025: 11021: 11017: 11012: 11011: 11010: 11006: 11002: 11001:Shhhnotsoloud 10997: 10987: 10983: 10979: 10975: 10974: 10973: 10970: 10968: 10961: 10960: 10959: 10954: 10953:Seraphimblade 10950: 10949: 10948: 10944: 10942: 10941: 10933: 10932: 10931: 10928: 10923: 10922: 10916: 10915: 10905: 10901: 10897: 10892: 10891: 10890: 10887: 10883: 10878: 10870: 10869: 10864: 10861: 10857: 10852: 10847: 10843: 10839: 10835: 10834: 10829: 10828: 10827: 10826: 10823: 10819: 10815: 10814:Beyond My Ken 10810: 10809: 10804: 10803: 10798: 10797: 10792: 10791: 10784: 10779: 10778:Seraphimblade 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