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:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2008/Vote/George The Dragon - Knowledge

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2716:, with some reluctance. I was ready to support the candidate strongly—he professes to appreciate well the nature of the project (as one in which, most notably, the community are sovereign and that nothing here is immutable)—but his answers to Lar's questions reveal an astounding willingness to abandon his admirable elevation of the community where the decisions the community might make are inconsistent with those that he should like, at least with respect to BLP (as, e.g., in, "Given the seriousness of enforcing BLP policy, if the community fail to act strongly, I have no real problem with ArbCom stepping in for both the good of the project and, far more importantly, the subject of the BLP", which plainly suggests a willingness to substitute his judgment for that of the community, which would, after all, be entirely within its rights to jettison BLP tomorrow absent some intervention by the Board of Trustees or someone acting pursuant to a delegation of authority thereby). I like almost all of the candidate's answers, and I quite like the candidate qua person and editor, but the most pernicious thing the committee have done across the past year-plus is to usurp the role of the community in the formulation of BLP and the practices that follow, and I can take no chance on a candidate, even one who offers as much good as does George, of whose commitment to 2397:. Candidate has little evidence of all round experience of building the project. Contributions appear to be mainly vandal reverts, and some minor comments on Admin noticeboards which add little to the discussions themselves. Lack of perception and insight. Lack of generating respect. Lack of conflict resolution experience. There's a lot lacking here for someone putting themselves forward for ArbCom. The candidate's statement in itself is not helpful. 235: 133:
decides who to appoint to the Arbcom. Mr Wales retains the right to ignore the results of this poll and appoint whomever he so desires. A vote for me will be a vote to say this situation is not right and then Mr Wales will have to decide whether to appoint me or use his powers as Knowledge's de facto
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That's it? You're basing your whole candidacy on not letting Jimbo appoint ArbCom? He's always picked the top vote getters except for a small exception one year. I mean, I think the top vote-getters should just get in, too, but there are real issues the new ArbCom is going to have to deal with, and
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One day, this project will be edited, administrated and governed by people with as much quality and ability as Giano. Until that day, why should anyone be surprised that Knowledge has critics, has people prepared to attack it, has proof that it defames senior politicians so many
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A lot of us want to see a lot less Jimmy (like the Queen of England, you see her in photo ops but never in an actual governing position where it matters), but voting for you won't be the way to go about it. It's too vague.
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I didn't think the answers to questions were that bad but question the ability of this user to divorce their personal views from their on-wiki judgement. I have a couple of other concerns too.
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I can find no information in the nomination that shows this user is qualified for the job. He statement clearly shows he is trying to prove something. Arbcom is not the place for agendas.--
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While I have no problem with reducing Jimbo's role, needs to focus more on other issues as opposed to only this one, minor one, which is enacted (from what I understand) not very frequently.
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I agree that Knowledge has grown too large to be "governed" by Jimbo, but that doesn't make you qualified for ArbCom. On top of that, the answers you gave to Lar truly worry me.
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You voted oppose to some other candidates. The fact that you voted support to some others gives partial redemption but still opposing your fellow candidates is very poor.--
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I like this candidate's answers more than those of any other editor I'm opposing, but I don't believe that his record on the project is one that inspires confidence.
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for being the only candidate statement so far to make a straightforward suggestion to improve the project rather than being full of wikipolitician prose.
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Drama seeker. Possible might have added some content at some stage, but wheather or not is now lost in the hot air and either. No thanks, very much.
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I wish we could speed up the Jimbo devolution too, but this sort of referendum candidacy is the wrong way to go about it. Other concerns as well. --
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Nothing personal; good answers to the questions, but I really think that some experience as an admin is necessary for this role.
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Sorry, but I think you have a really poor attitude; ArbCom requires magnanimity, an area in which I think you're lacking. --
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Not because I disagree or agree with your statement but because I cannot support a candidate who runs on such a basis.
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per concerns about attitude and temperament. I am not convinced this editor would be responsible in the position. ···
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Has not Knowledge now reached a stage where we need to be free of the whims and personal views of one man?
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Moral support. Not so much for the statement, but for the answers to the questions I (and others) posed.
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While I agree with regard to Jimbo, I don't want this editor on the Arbitration committee.
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ArbCom must be disbanded and replaced with a system which actually works. Sorry, I oppose.
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Sorry, even-keeled temperament is an absolute requirement for any arbitrator in my view.
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Grandstanding in his statement is enough to demonstrate his unsuitability for the role.
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in ArbCom cases in the coming year, to demonstrate suitability for 2009 election.--
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I agree with you about Jimbo, but I don't think we have a viable replacement yet.
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Disliking Jimbo's role in the community doesn't make you qualified for ArbCom.
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as making a grandstanding point - not a good starting pointing to be an Arb.
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It's really as simple as that: Who governs Knowledge - one man or all of us?
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Of the "breath of fresh air" candidates this one is the most interesting.
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Concern over conduct, plans if elected, and experience. Full rationale:
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Poor answers and an overdramatic candidate statement devoid of facts.
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I feel adminship is a necessary prerequisite to ArbCom membership.
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Any votes cast after 00:00 15 December 2008 (UTC) will be reverted.
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Appreciate the sentiment, but this isn't a serious nomination. —
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oppose win, so why not vote against the current when its safe?--
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Statement is a bit silly, but question answers were excellent.
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Don't entirely agree with the platform, but answers were good.
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Knowledge is not a democracy, or a theocracy or a monarchy
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Even the nom statement is chock-full of wikipolitics.
371:. Judging from George the Dragon's responses to the 2921: 134:Constitutional Monarch to appoint someone else. 375:, I hope this editor will step in sometimes as 2930:Knowledge Arbitration Committee Elections 2008 841:Oppose. 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Knowledge:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2008
Vote
Shortcuts
WP:AC2008
WP:ACE2008
Arbitration Committee
Nominations
Voting
vote tallies
Jimbo Wales
appointed
George The Dragon
George The Dragon
User:Jimbo Wales
George The Dragon
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Support or Oppose this candidate
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