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more or less the same shape, however much they disagree about the title. For different reasons they both want to see a sweep from the
Sumerian king lists through to cases of people who died in the last decades, although there doesn't seem to be a single expert on myth who thinks that there is a single phenomenon (of exaggerating ages) from early civilisation through to the present.
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1882:. This WikiProject got off on the wrong footing, with discussion still visible on the project talk page about the "group leader", and similar misguided attempts to run the project as a cabal. The founding editor was later blocked for a month for harassment, and hasn’t returned since. The recent bolding war on
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Although I instituted the COIN post and the ANI about Ryoung122's activity, that doesn't mean that I agree with JJBulten about the future shape of longevity-related articles. Biblical literalism is a viewpoint that needs to be covered in the encyclopedia, but it isn’t generally a notable viewpoint in
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When I reviewed the AfD and the contentious discussion that resulted, I did a quick once over of the various people in the AfD, and the area. I tend to think we have folks treating this area as a BATTLEGROUND, and showing ownership. There has been a long-running MedCab case in this area that has not
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JJB edits under his own name, which makes it easy to find out that he is active elsewhere on the web, and is puzzles editor of World Net Daily. This allows Robert Young to accuse him of being a biblical literalist and POV-pusher. Both JJB and Young wish to see the
Longevity myths article remain in
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and failure to discuss his reverts, (C) pushed POV (biasing GRG over other verifiers, verified cases over unverified, and various age claims over others with math-abusive criteria), (D) inserted unverified information, often attributed to his inaccessible Yahoo group or not found in cited sources
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was tagged as essay-like in April 2008 and for refimprove in July 2008. The article was still unsourced SYNTH of a myth-debunking character in April 2009 when John J Bulten came to it. By that point it had acquired a reference to a work by Lucian Boia, the nearest it has ever come to a reliable
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is an exercise in debunking. The creating IP added the name Louis
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secondary source, and to William Thoms' work of 1879, as well as ELs to GRG and others. JJB cleaned up some very confused paragraphs and added some dubiously sourced material on Biblical longevity.
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