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when that was not their intent. You've contributed a lot towards
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side note, yes, I read his comment, and I initially didn't see anything wrong with it. I re-read it and attempted to see it from your point of view, and yeah, I guess some of it could have been cut out or worded better. However, if the way you portray yourself through your words and actions deserves comparison to "random message board users", then people are going to make that comparison. Perhaps you could attempt to change the way people perceive you by acting and speaking differently? Calling people "elitists", in particular, is something I've noticed you do often, and it may not be taken well by many people, leading them to say things like Folken did.
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page once, insisting I apologize for "being racist" because I noted that his user page says he is from France, and I suggested that the reason we were having difficulty communicating may be due to a language barrier. From the disjointed manner in which he barraged me with demands that I apologize, and denying he had made any personal attacks, while simultaneously launching more of them, it only supported my suggestion.
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Hello, my name is Sir james paul and I am here to resolve the dipute inbeetween Animedude360 and you. Both of you need to work on this fast so you can get this over with. I would like to ask both of you to be civil, and follow policies and guidlines at all times during this. What we will have to do
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So there are some articles for DVDs. I think they're fine as long as it's an actual long running and popular show. The only articles that I've seen lists like these get deleted for are game and reality shows. If you feel strongly about it, I would suggest putting them up for deletion.
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choosing an illustrated image, which can demostrate the deep soul of the character whether it coloured by author or not. That small pic of Sasori only depicts a half of his face, that's so unfair for Sasori. So I critically recommend to change it with another better one.
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point of view, and it would be perfect on one of these countless message-boards full of ignorant kids. But here we're on Knowledge, that is, a serious project, with very precise rules: we have to be ojective, and we don't allow personal point of views.
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Why did you bother typing all of that? Really, you just turned a paragraph response into a giant rant. Just say I'm wrong. You don't need to try to feel superior to me(just to let you know, you really didn't decimate me like you probably think you
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I put all that stuff you reverted back onto onto page... Its something we're trying to set up for all the characters (See Franky's page). I'm gonna remove it again because of that, please understand what everyone is trying to set up here.
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is reach an agreement on the article talk pages. I would like the articles to be 2 while we are talking about this, if we agree to merge them, then we will, vise versa. If you have any questions regarding this you can talk to me here
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I fixed up the first two paragraphs of the article. So what do you think? I'm starting on the characters sections now. Please help me fix it if you think it's still worded strangely, but don't just revert it. Thanks!
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According to my buddies at #Knowledge at irc.freenode.net , it's not a good idea to start a move request immediately after a move request has failed for the same move. I would wait three months before trying again.
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