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658:, if railways were measured in decimal miles, or even miles and yards, I might agree with you that the note is unnecessary. But even people who use miles for measurement will rarely ever use a chain. It's a valid unit of measurement sure, but it's not one that most people have heard of, or if they have heard of it they don't have much idea of how big it is. The note both explains what a chain is and why the article uses them in preference to more common units. This makes the article more readable, which can only be a good thing. - 1762: 1327: 1275: 1990: 1936: 1490: 2054: 1846: 1678: 1414: 476: 2144: 871:- mileages on the GWR weren't measured from Paddington station. Indeed, Paddington itself is at 5 chains, this being the mileage of the buffer stops of platforms 9 & 10 (those of platforms 1-8 are at 6 chains; those of platforms 11 & 12 are 4 chains). I have been trying to find a reliable source which states where the zero point is: the two primary candidates are (i) the boundary of GWR property on the north-western side of 1171: 768: 762: 1545: 724:. On the subject, though: I intend to remove the Crossrail components as they are nowhere intimately related to the Circle line; unlike Thameslink, Crossrail does not share or interact closely with the line at all. No other lines which are similarly unrelated are shown, other than by an icon at appropriate interchange stations. If this is to be a problem, best up front. 1779:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 1344:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 1292:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 765:-type symbols, while plain filled icons are used for changes of lines. I realise this contradicts the TfL map notation. I'm not fussed one way or the other (although I prefer to stick to guidelines), but we should be consistent, so High St Ken, Gloucester Rd, both Baker Streets and the Hammersmith pair also ought to be interchanges if 963:, for example, is 6 miles 21 chains from London Bridge. The Trackmaps book does show 2 miles 25 from Victoria, but in addition to the primary mileage from LB, and also it is in parenthesis; this is the distance along the Chatham main line, which has had no platforms at this location for many years - they closed in 1916. -- 554:

I got told that using chains, a unit no one has ever heard of, in the lead was a bad idea. Frankly they're right (and indeed there is now a note in the articles I write which explains what a chain is the first time it's used). Also I think it's important to say a direction compared to Bristol, rather

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to lowercase line, but then got talked into going with caps on those, as they seem to be unlike most of the others, being more like modern marketing trademarks, not line descriptions. So the train fans are likely to revert those recent moves of yours. But I appreciate the sentiment for consistency

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You are edit-warring and acting like a dictator by removing the tags. You created the articles and are therefore biased, as demonstrated by choosing the policy that suits you rather than the more obvious policy relating to the notability of "buildings". Perhaps you should find someone else who agrees

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It doesn't as such. The second bullet point simply provides an alternative path to notability for buildings that have not been "officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level". The policy is really quite clear. And please

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give distances for one specific train: the 06:07 Moorgate to Stevenage on 9 July 2018 (headcode 2F04). These distances should not be confused with those on the actual line surveys; a line is not re-surveyed when a train is re-routed to have a different start point. It's also a transient source: the

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I don't think adding petty roundels is clutter. One person's clutter is another's treasure. Have you checked out where such roundels are used? I have. I have to say stations such as Stratford are the main exponent of their use as have so many confusing criss-crossing lines to choose between. If

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Hi and thanks very much for that. I see what you're saying but I feel that this is a different case, London being so huge and the City of London being rather more specific and also an incredible collection of buildings and thus articles. I get your Digbeth point but I feel it doesn't transfer that

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I sourced a PDF from Network Rail's website, "Network Capability Baseline Declaration...Track and route mileage Kent and Sussex..." which in that example shows Southease at 53m 40ch, via Lewes at 49m 74ch, which is in turn via Keymer junction at 40m 69ch from Victoria. Please do let me know if you

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with the summary: "it is in the prose, in the lead prose of the article, thanks". Well I simply cannot see any prose, let alone any referenced prose, stating that this incident is part of the "Islamic terrorism in Europe (2014–present)" campaign, and that is what we need to see to support the

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I actually wasn't aware of the WP guideline that the symbol should only be used if there's a change of mode only, rather than lines as well, so I had referred to the tube map. Happy to stick to the guidelines also and only use that symbol for interchange between modes.

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Redhill is on page 397 at 22mi 40ch which I believe is from Charing Cross. On the next page is Earlswood which is 21mi 50ch from Victoria. On page 404 there is a mileage change which may be where the confusion comes regarding Keymer junction being at 40mi 69ch.

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say that Southease is 53 mi 43 ch via Redhill, or 53 mi 49 ch via the Quarry line. Neither of these is 53 miles 40 chains. It's best to avoid the OR, and stick to what is V, which is that Southease is 53 mi 40 ch from London Bridge via Redhill, as stated at

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Whilst I agree that work did commence on the infrastructural work on this proposed station, by the Great Eastern Railway at the turn of the 20th century, those works were ceased and the area was never in a condition to receive train services.

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Also, the tag itself generates the following at the top of the article, "Although not required, you are encouraged to explain why you object to the deletion, either in your edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed,

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Moorgate. Although Moorgate is a zero point for the line through Drayton Park, its mileages cease at Finsbury Park South Junction. It all comes down to history: the lines out of King's Cross all the way to Doncaster were built by the

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Hi there. Without wishing to start on fisticuffs, I would love to know your rationale for all the changes from "City of London" to "London". Is this not a useful bit of extra detail? I'd always assumed so, but, clearly, YMMV. Cheers

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well to this case! That said, I'm very happy that you've been adding postcodes and the whole issue is not something I'm going to lose sleep over! So I will just thank you for the courteous reply and wish you Happy Editing! Cheers

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Therefore, it is my contention that a fully-completed station named Crowlands was never operational on that site and therefore should not be described as such on the line template of the Great Eastern Railway Main Line,

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Hello, I believe the "infobox" should have the primary location being London, with the "City of London" being referenced in the lead paragraph. The City is, after all, a tiny part of London. A building located in

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as 17 miles 71 chains - this is measured from Bishop's Stortford. It gives the junction at Witham as 24 miles 15 chains from Bishop's Stortford, and 38 miles 55 chains from Liverpool Street, giving (this is a

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from? On the former LBSCR routes radiating from London, most distances are measured from London Bridge via Redhill, although there are exceptions (such as, obviously, the line from Victoria to East Croydon).

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Pubs are not artificial geographical features, they are buildings, and the policy states that "they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." --

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Yes. Firstly, where are you finding the mileage information for your changes to chains in articles. Secondly, again, what does this "downline" business add? Is it further the other way?

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After the 1923 Amalgamations, this line became part of the London and North Eastern Railway. That company did look to opening a station on the site, but that came to naught.

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What is the URL of that PDF? I suspect that it was compiled by somebody who didn't appreciate that the mileage basis changes several times between Victoria and Southease:

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No worries, and thanks for that link as I've not seen that before. Happy for you to remove Crossrail, agreed not really relevant to the Circle line. Cheers. --

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Hi TBM10, sorry to bring this discussion here, but rather than entering into an edit war, I'd rather try and understand where our misunderstanding is.

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At Earlswood North Junction, 23 mi 16 ch from CX (via Redhill) and 21 mi 37 ch from LB (via Quarry Line) both become 21 mi 31 ch from LB (via Redhill)

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They are notable not only as buildings but as cultural and geographical artifacts in the United Kingdom. Ample critical discussion supports this.

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tag; it's also clear that once such a tag has been removed, it must not be re-added except under a very few special circumstances. Consider

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than "down the line" which, while jargonally correct, is a colloquial wolly phrase which does not give any useful geographic information. -

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violation) a distance of 44 miles 79 chains from Liverpool Street. This agrees with the previous version, but not with yours. --

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stop replacing the PROD tags - this is disruptive behaviour and edit warring, and is liable to end up with you being blocked.

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As for my removing reinstated PROD tags, I'm not dictating anything, simply following longstanding well-established policy.

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On the Great Northern routes (both through Hatfield and through Hertford North), distances are measured from King's Cross,

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There is currently a Heathrow Express shuttle between Terminal 2 and Terminal 4. This will also transfer over to TFL Rail.

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Heathrow Express will continue to operate between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 2 and onto Heathrow Terminal 5.

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Interesting, in that case perhaps I should amend the mileages to approximate values to the nearest quarter-mile, e.g.

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et al. While I accept the accuracy of your change, I initially had it using exact mileages but when I took it to

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At Coulsdon Junction (just south of Stoats Nest Jc), 15 mi 2 ch from LB becomes 16 mi 66 ch from Charing Cross

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Windmill Bridge Junction, 10 miles 3 chains from Victoria is also 9 miles 69 chains from London Bridge

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Even on the South London Line, which does serve Victoria directly, distances are from London Bridge -

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That is a perverse interpretation - "buildings" form a sub-set of "artificial geographical features".

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at Lewes East Junction, 50 mi 29 ch from LB (via Redhill) becomes 50 mi 40 ch from LB (via Redhill)

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There should be no need for that "Railways in the United Kingdom historically ..." note. Just add

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From Real Time Trains, which I presumed had the most up to date measurements. Examples here

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would be better shown in the infobox as being located in "Birmingham, United Kingdom". --

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Keymer Junction is indeed at 40 mi 69 ch - but from London Bridge, measured via Redhill

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Still on this subject: you altered some stations recently to become interchanges (e.g.

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about whether to include her or not, and would appreciate your input.

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feel a more relevant mileage is available, but that's my source. --

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Why does the policy differentiate between the two, then? --

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I thought the point was to discuss this at Darlington...

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