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buried deep in the edit history, it was pure luck that I spotted it and decided to double-check it. Once again, refrain from such edits. They are detrimental to accuracy of the encyclopedia. It is of course desirable to use an unambiguous date format, but you can only switch to it after you've properly researched what the original date refers to. In contrast, judging from your list of contributions, you didn't bother to spend half a second to check what you were doing. Even short of checking the links as I suggested above, it is a no-brainer to guess that a European topic is much more likely to use European date formats, whereas you seem to be mindlessly converting everything as if it were in the American style. —
35: 447:: Hmm, five brackets removed correctly and two added incorrectly. My fixes won't add second brackets to external links. What's happened is that two links were too long to be caught by the fix that caught five above (there's a performance problem with making the fixes catch longer links...). Then AWB general fixes completed the brackets as though it was a regular wikilink, due to an 517:. This is the second time a bot has "corrected" in the article the use of square brackets. I understand the purposse of these bots and think that they are important. However, how can i protect a page from future bot square bracket edits, as the use of square brackets is infact needed in the article. this is an example of the text befor edit: 477: 408:. A template there contained the erroneous parameter "format=.PDF"; your edit added the correct parameter "format=PDF" (without removing the erroneous one). However, it seems to me that the Wiki software denotes a reference to a PDF file with the correct icon anyway, so such an edit as the only edit seems unnecessary. 1266:
You changed the title of R.T. Kendall's DPhil thesis to read "died", not "d.". I do not think that this is an appropriate use of house style: the author has chosen to write "d." in the title, so I would leave the title that way. It is a direct quotation. If necessary you could write, "d", but that is
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I object somewhat to the tone of your message. Now, I think ambiguous dates will be wrongly interpreted by many readers due to their ambiguity (as not one of the supported Knowledge date formats), so in a sense are 'wrong' before my edit. Therefore I think it's better to correct these ambiguous dates
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ambiguous, and therefore be aware of the potential misinterpretation. On the other hand, there is no way one can guess from the ISO format that it may be incorrect due to being mindlessly converted from an ambiguous format. Your mess up in the Kosovo article went unnoticed by six editors and it was
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Thanks for letting me know, I didn't spot the error at the time. I've now corrected the article. The problem was that the date of birth used an abbreviated month (Dec) rather than the full one (December), which I've now corrected too. I'll have a look at catching abbreviated months in my script.
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edit was wrong to use the US format. I'm sorry for not spotting that error, but I stand by my comment that at least the clear edit summary prompted another editor to review my edit. I'm only using the American style by default as that's what seems to be used in the majority of cases – the Kosovo
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that expresses a preference for one or the other (I seem to recall if anything that there's a preference in some of the other citation templates' manuals - perhaps cite journal - for using the date rather than month and year parameters in fact. Though ISO is probably preferable when possible.)
387:. A couple of them accidentally already had a surplus spare bracket on the end, and your general fix added another redundant square bracket to the start. I have now fixed it up, but you can take a look so that the automated fix doesn't do that again. Cheers -- 645:. Then tick enable and press make module. There shouldn't be any errors, but I don't have AWB on my PC here so can't test the module but believe it's all correct. However, I have tested the regexes and they work on your examples. Two caveats are: 250:
and be open about the fact. If the corrected format is right, the article is improved. If not, the clear edit summary will prompt another editor who is knowledgeable about the article to amend the change and improve the article. Thanks
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dates. If you do not know the meaning of an ambiguous date format, do not make wild guesses, but check your facts. It's not that difficult to click on the bloody links to find out when the articles were published, is it?
343:). Thank you for correcting that and making me aware of that particular item. I consider myself an above average writer of English, and this bit of constructive criticism only strengthens my skills. 1136:
and "lang-xx" templates, please make sure the text inside the template is actually in the language in question, rather than the English translation of the foreign term. Otherwise, silliness like
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is quite clear: when the full date (i.e. day and month and year) is known use the date= field (preferably in unlinked ISO format) or otherwise, when the day isn't known, use year= and/or month=.
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My apologies, I hadn't spotted that. IMHO it's not correct to use ]: ''English translation'', as what follows ]: shouldn't be English, so I've adjusted the Trinity article slightly. Thanks
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In AWB choose Tools – Make Module and paste the code below into the box (remove whatever is in the box first). Adjust the edit summary below if you don't like it or replace the line with
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I've reported and been working on. I will see if I can increase the allowed link length without hurting the performance so that the above would all have been correctly fixed. Thanks
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I don't think using square brackets in that way is correct. For links to maps there are various templates to provide a generic link to a list of available sources - one is
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I am assuming that what you're doing is useful, not controversial and meets all WP guidelines etc. (I've had a problem helping another editor in the past...). Thanks
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This changed "d." to "died" but left "b." unchanged. I have neither reverted your change nor completed it as I assume you will want to try your robot again.
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I've reviewed all my edits to do with ambiguous dates (all are in the last two days), there are about 15 of them and I think only the
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Heya, I've noticed you've been contributing to articles similar to mine, i.e. related to activist/anarchist people. My article on
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Me, trouble? Never. hehe No worries here boss. Thank you very much for taking the time out of your day/evening to help me out.
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A reader who sees an ambiguous format may well interpret it incorrectly, but he/she will also understand that the format
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Where OH-Project could be substituted with "WikiProject Ohio". There would also be cases like:
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is threatened of deletion, could you please vote to keep it? You can vote . In solidarity!
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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is there a way to make the bot accept the square brackets as valide? yours,
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page, I was ignorant of the style guide item of not including "of" (as in,
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You're right that the preference is for using date=, but only when the
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not adding class= per your second example, as null value entered
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My apologies – I hadn't seen that it was in a title. Thanks
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are for entries without the day. I think the information at
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For corrections you make... Keep up your excellent work! --
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and month and year are known. The changes you refer to in
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Hi Rjwilmsi/Archives/2008. I noticed you recently did a
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doing just that. That's what I'm implementing. Thanks
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page, you removed wikilinks to a number of dates (eg.
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not necessary. "d." would be even more ridiculous.--
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For your excellent efforts in delinking the dates on
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article being the first one I've found that didn't.
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User talk:Rjwilmsi
Archives/2008
archive
current talk page
Les Bartley
May 15
2005
MrBoo
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22:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Knowledge:Date#Date_autoformatting
Rjwilmsi
22:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
MrBoo
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23:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
High Sheriff of Staffordshire
Ordyg
talk
12:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
List of symphonies in E minor
Template:Cite web
Schissel
Sound the Note!
09:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Template:Cite_web#Optional_parameters
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Template:Cite_journal#Further_Examples

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