User talk:Richard New Forest/Archive 2008

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about 20 years ago, and there was a subtle but noticeable stop/start motion at low speeds. I thought the brake discs needed machining, but I discovered that it was because of the drive shaft setup. I think that car makers simply try to reduce the shaft speed variation as much as possible. Like you, I couldn't work out why they would use 3 cardans. There are methods to align the axes, but these all have their drawbacks, including friction and wear. The other problem is that even with correct alignment, the shaft or coupling that joins the double cardans still changes speed as the shaft rotates - one cardan induces the speed change, the other cancels the speed change out, provides a source of vibration and wear.

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or so weeks prior to conception to increase fertility (number of eggs/offspring) especially, but also to increase birth weight. How long the added nutrition continues, I don't know - I guess it would depend. For example, if flushing were used to create extra eggs and to remove them, there is no need to continue the rich diet after they are removed. I suppose modern factory farms use objective scientific diet formulas for each stage (egg production, womb growth, milk production). One might think extra nutrients would be useful post-birth to help the babies, but modern farming tends to value the milk too high to waste it on non-humans.

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Longwools have much longer faces with a Roman nose, so I agree that it looks like one of those south-western breeds. I can't pin down a solid difference though between Greyface and Devon – and of course being from the same county they are presumably related. Both have the chunky face with dark nose, face free of wool but with longer wool round eyes. Now I think of it, I think Greyfaces have a reputation as conservation grazers, so that could well be more likely if they are being used for that. Perhaps I'll give the LWC a ring in the morning... --

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with jacked-up suspension, which of course have large variations in angle as the suspension works over rough ground. They are actually triple cardans, with a one cardan as normal at one end, then a pair back to back at the other. This pair does look somewhat similar to the Thompson joint, and has a similar gadget to align the axes of the two joints – however they are not concentric. What I don't understand is how an odd number of cardans can balance the input and output velocities.

925:). Posh harness in the UK is rather different to this, usually with a lightweight proper collar. The driving style is very different too – we'd not have the hands up round the ears like that. Though perhaps the horse has just jumped forward or something. Really posh driving is done with both reins in the left hand, in the lap, the right hand only being used to take up extra slack on tight turns (either rein). Personally I'm lazy and usually drive with both hands. 2204:

instead of conker trees. Horses are showy, okay they're nice and can eat the flowers (near got a bug in this year, though). But the flowers are not exacly nutritious compared to chestnuts, the conkers taste a lot less nice and you can't even get there without what boils down to too much work, since in any case one can eat better for a lot less work. Can play with chestnuts all the games one can play with conkers. Thank you for helping me promote Chestnuts ! :-)

3041:) behind each pair of leaders, and the traces of the leaders would only go back as far as these. Here the traces seem to connect all the way back to the carriage, making longer lengths needing to be controlled. This army harness seems simpler than either cart or van harness, I suppose to make it quicker and easier to work with in field conditions. (Are the horses' tails docked or just cropped short?) I wonder if the image could go in 2119:– a worthy admin has just done it, as part of clearing the backlog. However your move does seem to have worked for the talk pages. In fact the first thing I tried was to move Conker to Conkers, but it wouldn't let me – which was why I went down the Requested Moves route. Sorry if I seemed to be messing up your work... Were you thinking of keeping one's head? I try, but I do find myself losing it sometimes... 1927:

at the source itself and see what you think. If you see something that still doesn't fit the source, go ahead and tag again with comment and I'll look into it. Otherwise, if you question the content of the source itself, we can chat further on the talk page. I like your going in and spotting odd stuff, though, so thanks for all you did,even if I sound a bit touchy about it (LOL!)!

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in freeze-thaw cycles, releasing a slurry of flints carried down the valleys by seasonal flood water to the floor of the English Channel. That is clearly alluvial. She also writes (next page p 31) "indeed silt is still being deposited in the Rother estuary"; that's one in the eye for me. Let's leave it as estuarine unless you are moved to re-describe the soil of the Marsh as both.

2485:. Both Una and I have hacked at it quite a bit and I think it is now coherent but without unnecessary tangents. I noticed in the process of editing, that it is very tough to find many harness diagrams on the web, found a few, a lot of inconsistency in terms, even beyond the usual US/UK thing. For example, saddle versus back band versus back pad, etc... Bleech! :-P 2290:? There is a minor dispute there over coat color terminology. Aside from figuring out whether to listen to the registry's web site or the more informal breed enthusiasts' site, the real concern for me is just finding the correct words. You were helpful with the piebald/skewbald/tricoloured thing, so I'm coming to you again. In short, how are various shades of 1853:

we get a lot of tourists from Alberta, so much good humor here! Usually we say things like that on purpose, just to make Canadians stomp their feet and insist how VERY different they are from "Americans" -- except they point out, rightly, that they ARE also North Americans. (Hmmm. Am I an "United Statesian??"). We tell them how much we love

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link to the list, but the topic is so complex, especially on a worldwide scale, that I'm a little scared to even go there. (I'm having enough trouble just sorting through the relative toxicity of stuff in my own area, complicated by the presence of certain popular but non-native landscaping ornamentals planted around the average house...)

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as one spinoff. I actually think that ox driving (or draught cattle?? Don't forget the Water Buffalo!) IS worth its own article, even if we start as a stub and expand later. (Especially because I think that Ox currently redirects to the cattle article anyway...) We also have to consider if we want to spin something off of

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the saddle, with the braking forces ending up at the crupper. However, in a vehicle with any significant weight the horse's tail is not enough for stopping and so breeching is needed. Harness breeching attaches to the vehicle (not to the saddle or girth) and gives the horse something solid to sit back into when slowing.

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areas, but there is also a lot of regional variation in the details...I am thinking that a separate article on pasture management for horses might be more appropriate, as one can get into pasture rotation, grasses ideal for horses, and the whole "safer grass" issue that is now the hot topic in the USA. (see

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because of the similarities of equipment (i.e. can't really use a yoke on equines, etc.) as that might help broaden it in an appropriately logical way. But if we were to do an article on Driving animals in general, I think we may want to make that a completely new and different article with this one

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Hi Giano. No, not registered organic, although pretty near – we don't use any fertilisers, herbicides or pesticides, and only minimal veterinary treatments for parasites etc when needed. For us it's not worth the cost of organic registration for a minimal additional premium on the beef. We use the

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P.S.: conkers contain 1/3 of the opium in poppies. Or so it says on the net. No wonder Victorians planted conker trees all over, what with I think was 3/4 of them including babies, taking opium more often than a hypochondriac takes pills. Am trying to have my local park replanted with Sweet Chestnuts

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The howto issue is always a tricky one. Basic guidelines versus how to. I suppose really it is mostly just word choice. I'll look at that at bit and think about what to do. The grazing issue could be a good new short subsection under forages as far as "poop spots" ("roughs"), dirt spots and grazing

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Ouch! Is this genuine? I suspect an elaborate windup, or a legend not actually used in practice. I'd not risk my bull's future this way... I do notice that all the first hits on Google are WP itself or derivatives. Why not tie his nose to something less delicate, or use the traditional method of

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Sounds reasonable. I only know a surcingle as a strap for holding on a rug or racing saddle, or for use when lungeing (in what you call a bitting harness). I've never heard it in relation to driving harness – but perhaps that's my ignorance. Will see what I can find. Is your driving surcingle the

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Hello, Richard re the Romney Sheep article. estuarine vs alluvial. The soils of the Marsh can I think be described either way correctly. Jill Eddison in Romney Marsh, Survival on a Frontier Tempus Publishing 2000 writes in Chapter 2 "The Legacy of the Ice Age" that the chalk of the Downs broke up

515:, which makes it clear that the L is now often pronounced. My family were originally from there, but several generations ago, so they obviously use the old pronunciation. As it seems it is said both ways, both versions ought to be given. I've changed the page & copied this to the talk page. -- 2820:

What I noticed about the current wording is that it doesn't really explain what the principle is, nor how it differs from other universal joints. Perhaps a good way to illustrate this is to imagine the article with the identical wording, but with the title changed, to, for example, the "Richard New

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OK, so, long story short, I guess I'd kind of like to keep the horse driving article focused mostly on equine driving, with splits between the styles as needed (draught work versus show at least), maybe more of a nod to mules and donkeys if we can, but sticking to equidae, and maybe a name change is

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Terms look pretty similar to Brit ones, though I don't know about American ones. I do wonder whether the article subject is a little mixed. WP articles should be about a "thing", not a word (which is why we have disambiguation pages for similar names). If we classify by name rather than thing, we

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But goofy Canadian humor aside, I saw your tweaks on easy and hard keeper and I'm surfing over to the Equine Nutrition article now. But to address a couple of your points. The list of poisonous plants is very long, I don't even want to start. We could, I suppose, do a super brief paragraph with a

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into the Channel, but those would mostly be gravels and sands ending up further offshore (with a much lower sea level), rather than the more recent silts which comprise most of Romney Marsh. There are in fact sands, gravels and shingle along the south coast of the Marsh – but those derive from wind

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No, you're right. What I saw (or at least thought I saw) was an actual redirect (not a note of one) – either there was a hiccup in the template at that moment, or more likely it was late and I saw something which was not there. I'd also not yet seen the disambig page you'd done, so I was trying to

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That looks much better. I can't say I fully understand it, but at least I have a vague idea of what it is I don't understand... I wonder how the Thompson joint compares with the "double cardans" used in heavy duty Land Rover prop shafts? These are used for the front shaft, especially in vehicles

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would not normally be used without a crupper, as a horse that slows a vehicle will normally be a wheeler, and a saddle (with crupper) is needed to attach it to the shafts or pole. There is one minor exception – for teams used behind a very heavy vehicle to hold it on a steep downhill. These would

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Follow up on equine nutrition. Is fermentation ALWAYS bacterial?? You made some good edits for flow and wording that I tweaked only a little bit. Most of the stuff you questioned was directly sourced, I commented in hidden text (sounds snarky, wasn't intended as such) or tried to fix, maybe look

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Canadian usage similar to USA usage... EH??? (Hope you get that one; LOL!) Canadian usage is sort of a cross between UK spelling and US word use, which makes life particularly interesting. We Yanks are terrible, we joke and say, "Canadians are just like us--only a lot nicer!" LOL! Where I live,

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Tricky to see on that photo... As far as I can see there is a belly band coming down from the shaft, and something inside that which must be the girth. Then there's another looser narrow strap coming down just behind the leg – not sure what that can be. Looks as if it might stabilise the rear end

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and did not know what it meant by "flushing". So I googled it and learned stuff and added to the article now linked. I learned that the term is used to refer to removal of embryos/eggs and also used to refer to giving some animals (goats, sheep, cattle, deer, and similar) extra nutrition in the two

2628:, however. That article has sections on harness animals, though about one sentence each. I wonder if there should be some sort of general organization of articles on working animals; the categories don't seem very well set up...hoo boy, I think we just stumbled into a whole bunch more work...! 2480:

a real article, not a redirect. It's just a stub, if you want to add anything to it I'd be glad! I mostly did a copy and paste from your stuff at horse harness, and added a bit about packhorses and mule saddles, you may want to take a peek and see if I got it all correct. By the way, also look

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For driving, the breeching and crupper really have different purposes. The crupper in most harness does no more than hold the harness saddle in place. In very light harness with a very light vehicle a crupper alone is also enough to allow the horse to slow the vehicle – the horse pulls back with

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Dear Mr Richard, I do not understand why that you took away my EXTREMELY important warnings about reedbed safety. I happen to know that bears have attacked many of my friends who got too close to a bear infected reedbed. If only they'd have shouted, the bears would have gone away. I hope for the

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It does need some improvements – the harness they are using is attached in the wrong place (not from the breast collar), and it does not look strong enough to cope with heavy braking. What holds the horse in on sharp corners? Also, the idea of putting a horse in a greenhouse is not the best one,

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I wonder if you were upset by my latest comment: "I see why you like short DAB entries. It's so you have words left over for arguing about them..."? I do hope not, as this was intended as no more than a mild and slightly teasing joke – I think you'll agree that your replies are even wordier than

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term to the harness article, at least temporarily, many people with light harness show horses around here call the girthing system a "surcingle" here, but I don't know if that is incorrect terminology or regional terminology...if you can give me a chance to check on that point, I'd appreciate it.

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I think the critical difference is that estuarine sediments are saline, and alluvial are freshwater – the sediments themselves may both ultimately derive from rivers, but they are chemically and structurally different. You are quite right that massive periglacial sediments from freeze-thaw flowed

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I breed Romneys in the U.S., have for 25 years. My wife and I and enjoyed a visit to the Marsh in 2001 just before Foot and Mouth hit the fan. I got involved in the Wiki business early last year when planning an article on the breed for a Sheep Festival. Glancing at what wiki had then I thought it

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As I understand it, flushing is done before tupping to increase the number of eggs, and so increase the lambing percentage. On the other hand birthweight is controlled mainly by nutrition in the period before lambing (in fact large birthweight is not necessarily desirable, and the aim is to avoid

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I started to add it to the article, but the section that seemed best (styles or some such section) appeared to be mere unsourced assertion after unsourced assertion, and probably should be rewritten from scratch using appropriate sources; which I am unmotivated to do; so I copied the above to its

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The Thompson joint is a difficult coupling to understand - it took me a while to get a handle on it. Triple cardans won't give you constant velocity - in drive shafts, an attempt is usually made to reduce the angles involved to reduce the shudder and vibration. I used to own a car with 3 cardans

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page, and have had to defend it for some time. I would have preferred that the page included a more comprehensive explanation, but there have been critics who haven't understood the coupling, that have reworded, suggested speedy decline, etc. The coupling is difficult to conceptualize, even with

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Richard; did you discussed before remove it? of course, them are montages of many different images. they are photographies that "I shoot" in the zoological ones from zacango, chapultepec, africam safari, reinoanimal and bioparque estrella in México. Apparently if somebody strives to offer a good

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that is GA but always room for improvement. Would you eyeball it and add any additional UK terminology that might be needed? I tried to get as many alternative terms in as possible, (NUTS??? They're PELLETS! Nuts are for squirrels! LOL!) but probably missed some. Note it's footnoted up the

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My point with removing this was that these other species are named in English as sheep, but they aren't technically sheep, they are caprids. Only Ovids are scientifically sheep. These others members of different genus' (that are still in Caprinae) are named inaccurately as sheep, scientifically

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That does look a good candidate, though the wool coverage doesn't seem entirely consistent – those Greyfaces that have enough wool also seem to have rather more woolly legs, but less wool on the face – but the degree and pattern of woolliness does seem to be variable. The northern and Midland

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Interesting, I just read it, are your beef organic? - are you able to make any money doing that? I just wonder, I do have a vested interest. Do the unfortunate cattle get fed that nasty weedy low yielding discoloured stuff that passes for organic wheat/barley/protein. Just an idle curiousity.

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link will explain what it is. The Rock pigeon article is rated GA. Please don't stuff it up by going on about differences in colours etc in the article when that information is clearly found at the other articles. Have you actually read the article? See the sections on Domestication and Feral

1518:). Finally, I don't understand why it needs the drag of a generator and the weight of batteries and motor – if the horse needs a rest, stop for a bit! If you're going to have electric drive, have an electric vehicle charged off the mains and leave half a ton of horse at home... -- 1503:

I was pleased and fascinated to see this invention. As a schoolboy cycling uphill home from school I used to fantasise about a horse-powered vehicle much like this, though I had neither the drive nor the engineering skills to implement it. Nor a horse, at that time, though the

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External links can be references. The Fleethorse link is (appears to be) the home page of the Naturmobil, the other links are news articles and write ups that are the source of all the content in the article so that makes them references. I agree that the references should be

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in winter – we give a little additional high-protein feed in winter to cows and calves to let them digest the heather better. They winter out. So no, little cereals, organic or not, and very small carbon footprint. Killed at 30 months, hung for 4 weeks or so – proper beef.

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I'm very sorry you should think that – it certainly was not intended. I did make it very clear that I considered your edit to be in good-faith, and I thought I had made my other comments in a spirit of friendly discussion – indeed, you generously commented that one para was

2607:, etc. I guess I don't know which way to go on this. I know that when I created the article, per the intro, my intent was to focus on equines (not that I can "own" the article, of course! Just explaining). So I guess that I wouldn't kick about a rename to something like 2402:

Of course, leader harness and plough harness don't need breeching, as these do not do any slowing. They do not absolutely always have a saddle either, and then they would have no crupper – so I was not quite right, it is possible to have harness without a crupper. However

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first before answering. In short, in the US, a genetically bay + dun gene horse (tan with black mane and tail) is a plain old "dun", or else a "zebra dun," or "bay dun." A chestnut + dun is a "red dun" (creamy with a red mane and tail) and a black+dun is a "blue dun,"

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You could try it, but I don't think it would be very easy. A neighbour of ours was running his dairy cows through the parlour for milking one day and had the opposite problem – he was trying to get the cluster on our bull, who'd jumped the fence and come on a visit...

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Yes, that's it, and now i'm sorry, and i think no apology was called for. Standing alone it seemed, earlier, implicit that you thought the wordiness was just intended to ... filibuster, i guess, and deserved no reasoned response. In fact it's not a bad joke, bcz there

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than the various goat-antelope genera are from each other. As far as I can see the term sheep is just used for any caprids which appear more sheepy than goaty, irrespective of their scientific relationships. I do agree that it's off-topic for that article...

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Sarah – you'd got the pages themselves straight, but the histories of the article pages were still swapped. If it's done properly (by an admin), each whole page is moved, history and all. In the past I've found that it just happens by magic once posted on

3045:(ie "gun carriage"). The photo is a good one – the action is frozen, so the exposure must be a 500th or less, fast for cameras of the time. It must have been set up for the occasion, with the carriage going over a good big bump in front of the camera. 304:"Under the intensive sheep production based on a cut and carry system, sheep are kept in pens with grass and concentrate being provided regularly. Some flocks are kept on slatted floors, others on litter beds that are cleaned once or twice a year." 3032:

It's a fascinating photo... The breeching is there, though you do have to look quite hard. I think those loops around the legs are to stop the traces of the leaders flapping about. In ordinary harness this job would be done (if at all) by

746:. My hope is that it would be a more inclusive article that would be a portal to the various species pages, and that it would allow us to eliminate some of the redundancy in the current pages. Any help or suggestions would be very welcome! 2695:. I would be willing to do the grunt work of tagging the various draft animal articles with a new category, but what to create and what to call it? We have a harness category, maybe it needs some reorganization over there... thoughts? 2602:

Thanks for your comments about the driving issue. Hm. Driving animal, versus separate articles on all the critters. We also have the issue of show driving versus heavy carriage driving, versus draught work, there is also an article on

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for your help with the SAMM article. I have yet to figure out how to re-direct it. Thanks also for your comments on the sheep rolling bit. There have been quite a few people who disagree with this rot, but I suspect VT will will again.

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Hi. They do look like external links to me... A reference supports a fact or claim in the text (and generally ought to be done as an in-line reference). These links are general information – how do they differ from the Fleethorse

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The sources I have specify that flushing can be done before/during mating, during pregnancy, and during lactation. Some choose to only flush during one or none of these periods, but it can and has been commonly done in all of them.

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is a caprid too though). A musk ox is even less an ox, but it's still called an ox. Not at all sure that there really is a technical definition of "sheep" which is meaningful in this sense. The scientific definition is that of

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Madness! I wish I had remained in ignorance, poor things. As sheep are notoriously good at spontaneous dying, I find it hard to believe that they don't take the opportunity in this system. It's bad enough treating cattle that

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Some UK usage added. Actually should really be "British English" or "British Isles" throughout, rather than "UK", as Irish usage is pretty much the same as British. I suspect likewise US and Canadian usage will likewise be

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pigeons? Go read them and add info there if you like. A lot of work was put into this article by people who actually know about the subject. The external link section can be done without as that pdf link is unnecessary.--

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calves. Perhaps make it about cattle calves (including bison, buffalo, yak etc?), with a minor ref to the others, as for bull and cow in the cattle article. Otherwise looks good – I'll have a tinker some time.

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of the breast collar (which incidentally is ever so narrow – he couldn't pull anything much with it). I'll have a look at a book I've got (unfortunately also not quite out of copyright, or I'd scan the pic for

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You were right -- Dartmoor Greyface, used for conservation grazing. I rang them just now. Apparently they use Greyfaces because they are hardy and adapted to wet ground. They have some Highland cattle too.

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I see the point with riding, at least Western-style. I wonder if that is (or was originally) largely to hold the saddle when anchoring roped cattle? A crupper (or tail) would not be nearly strong enough for

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and I expected the article to grow more in the first 24 hours then it has. My thought was the article would grow then I would go back and insert them as properly formated references and possibly submit it to

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I've had a go at the units. Unfortunately the convert template can't yet do "10 to 12 gallons" in one go (though it does do lengths like that). Couldn't work out what the non-SI equivalent of KJ/kg was.

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I think the article needs more description of the construction and principle (though I do appreciate what you say about it being difficult to explain), and some explanation of how it differs from other

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I think I finally see what one link per item in DAB pages means! Sorry to have been so slow to catch on. Thanks for pointing out this policy for DAB pages. I'll help edit towards it in the future. -

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source for males having more iridescence on the neck? I bet you can't. This is the biggest problem with Knowledge. People who have absolutely no idea about the subject trying to add information.--

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a short chain on the nose, so he stands on it when he ducks to snort? And anyway, what's to stop him running forward, nose, ring, string, bollocks and all? Or leaving the whole lot on the fence?

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some of mine, and that this is ironic compared with your desire for short defs. In retrospect perhaps I ought to have made a longer reply, as short sentences are often easy to misinterpret.

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of the subject. I was kind of expecting the article to flourish a bit more. There are a number of other interesting facts and details in the references, like the relationship to

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and see if it is detailed enough for you to see what's there. If not, I can find some off-wiki photos (unfree images) that show the show ring harnesses seen a lot in the USA.

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speaking. I thought about talking about this in the article, but I decided it's a little off topic. That would be a better discussion for the main Ovis article in my opinion.

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Can you use this "wow" photo? Harness breeching is visible on the wheeler. It looks like the side lines have loops around the horses' hind legs. What are those called? --

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designation from the LWC when it was a clump of very dull urban reservoirs, but by all accounts it's now an outstanding nature reserve and it was made SSSI again in 2002. --

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process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Knowledge's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also

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gets thrown into the mix on top of the dun gene, but I suspect this may be a "cream dun" to you folks??? Anyway, any clarification is welcome! Thanks much as always.

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When I go into a reedbed I always wear a bear-charm to keep the bears away, and this seems to work very well, as I have never seen a bear in a reedbed here in Britain.

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I have never heard of this hitch here despite a very long association with cattle of various breeds and types and think all of it is nonsense. The article should go.

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And I noticed the other day that one of our neighbour's heifers (of about the right age) has the same colour pattern as our bull, so his visit was not wasted... --

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and see if you can add stuff on driving bridles and driving bits? We riding people realize that there is a need for the info, but we have insufficient expertise.

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and noted that article needs expansion. Can you expand it? Also, I think a navigation template would be helpful, to navigate among all the "rein" articles. --

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horses described in the UK generally, and does this article use the right lingo, and/or do the Highland pony folks have their own specialized terms the way the

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Ah the "true sheep"... What else could you call a Barbary sheep though? It may not be a true sheep, but it's undoubtedly another legitimate use for the word (

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Sorry, can't really do much to that – not really my expertise (which stops at knowing what the hook on the driving saddle would be for, if I used it...).

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for further information – let's see if anything turns up. I agree that it must be nonsense, but there is some chance it's interesting nonsense... --

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animations, so a wiki page is probably going to struggle to completely clarify the operation anyway. I'd be happy to reword - what do you think?

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Forest Coupling" (a little something I've been keeping in my back pocket for a while...). I don't think it would need to be changed much.

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did not do justice to this important breed. The only other wiki article I have a personal interest in is the one on the Bradford system.

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Careful instruction throughout my childhood... Not being local to there myself, I had understood that everyone said it that way, but see

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How about we copy this entire discussion, including the inline comment and edit summary that started it? To the article's talk page? --

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and in Iran it's madness; the horse ought to be outdoors, with extra air scoops to keep the animal cool (as humans have in fully faired

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people do? In particular, what the heck is a "biscuit dun," a "fox dun" or a "yellow" "gray" or "cream" dun? You may want to skim

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pages should be merged? Seems to me the latter is a good candidate for merging into the former. What do you think? Care to reply on

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Thankfully sheep are not yet factory-farmed... Again, over-rich nutrition after birth may not necessarily be a good thing (see

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Spot on! I took some myself the other day (in central France – no idea what they call it there...). Yours is better though.

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needed. But I also think you are right that other animals are driven and need proper attention paid to them (well, maybe not

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Richard, I believe I had the talkpage and article both aligned and you appear to have reverted everything. Remember what

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Well, I'm not entirely convinced, but I don't think it makes all that much difference, so leave it be for the moment. --

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Hi, Because of the recent discussion about the difference of Crows/Ravens (where you made very good points) I've created

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and marshland. Income is from beef, from sales of live animals for breeding and conservation grazing, from the EU

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Could do with something about grazing behaviour – the length of grass preferred, uneven grazing, and dunging areas.

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quality work is better not to try show it in wikipedia. sorry the spelling :User:Sergiodlarosa|Sergiodlarosa]]

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Teeters on the brink of "Howto" in places: eg "it is important to remember", "should not be kept from water".

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Thanks for your comments - I did a rewrite - see what you think. I'll try to get an image in at some stage.

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Thanks – I must have hit the wrong key. I did check the saved page, but obviously not carefully enough...

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at the moment – we need something really tough which can live on heather and will eat scrub readily. --

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Did my edits answered your questions or do you feel that there are more unclear topics in the article?

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Horses are sometimes shown in a special type of harness, but I don't know the terms for that. Look at

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As to whether it deserves its own article, I'm not sure. As it stands, it could just be a section in

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I do not understand what you are asking regarding flushing sheep. I read the very interesting article

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sake of your soul, that no more reed bed related bear attacks occur. Because you may become upset.

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wazoo, so if you add anything of substance other than minor cleanup, please footnote it. Thanks!

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I straightened out the posts a bit before I took it, the neighbors probably thought I was nuts.

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Have you run across anyone particularly well informed about troikas etc? I made the template,

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It's a pleasure to correspond with someone who says what he or she is doing with Wiki and why.

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Anyway, that's my thoughts. Maybe take any further chat over to the relevant article pages.

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lacks some links, due to missing content elsewhere. Could you help fill in the holes? See

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Would you please take a look at this article. I'm uncertain as to northern terms etc. TIA

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I had considered that but do not have much info on others. Any help appreciated, thanks.

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have had breeching but would not have needed a saddle, so might not have had a crupper.

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whole thing, with the same construction (back band, belly band, girth and saddle)? --

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or just for show). They'd probably tell you if you asked them... I once removed the

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Could you please take a look at this article and assess the suitability of it as is?

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Lucky for us our bulls are all pussycats (it's the cows you've got to watch...). --

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Thanks for correcting my errors in even-toed ungulates, sloppy writing I'll admit!

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template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to

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Note a bunch of uploads to commons I made for Dana's Suffolk Punch project:

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Please accept my apologies for anything which caused unintended offence. --

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There is absolutely no need to expand on what a domestic pigeon is on the

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Have fun choosing a sheep breed for your farm. Keep in touch, cheers,--

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You could be right and I could be wrong, take a look at the getup in

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Thanks. Will wait a bit for more comments. Above comment copied to

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page. I wrote quite a bit of the content, what do you think of it?

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I don't see a loop. The redirect looks perfectly correct to me.

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Thanks for your comment in the sandbox. Necessary perspective!

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Nothing about parasites, which can also affect nutrition hugely.

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A few fact tags & corrections – mostly physiological stuff.

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article, for instance. Draft and Draught animal redirects to

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Hi. Re crupper vs breeching on riding horses, see for example

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But does flushing at tupping have an effect on birthweight?

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In the process of the editing of crupper, I decided to make

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Hey Richard, will you check out the discussion going on at

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May have uses for your draft horse and harness articles.

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A few points on that article, which does look a good one.

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mare I have now would love it, if it was hard enough work.

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Legitimate globalize tag on this article; can you help?

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and such, my guess is Greyface Dartmoor. Thanks Richard!

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Query flushing before conception increasing birth weight.

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do it as without one. All looks good now – thanks. --

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both too-large and too-small lambs). See for example

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Hi Richard, you've got a note at the discussion page

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Nothing about poisonous plants (except a See also)...

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Oh and what is "irridescece"? It's a new one on me!--

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