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template documentation that states the template is on the way out, more-or-less, to be replaced with something else. It's pretty much a statement of fact at this point that the template is deprecated. All those who said "don't deprecate" pointed to the upcoming Wikidata solution; a solution which will replace the current template. That basically makes the template de facto deprecated already. The reason editors (myself included) were advocating a deprecation notice on the template is because it can either (a) encourage editors to move to the new solution now, making less conversion work later (this isn't really applicable here) or (b) prevent future confusion when the template is suddenly converted to the new solution. B is the applicable part here, since we have the upcoming Wikidata solution. I don't think we did a very good job of explaining deprecation. Discussions between the template crowd and content creators tend to go this way because the template crowd uses terminology that the content crowd isn't familiar with without defining it. And yes, I agree about the documentation, but that bit isn't my fault; I've never edited this particular template. I stumbled upon the discussion based on the ANRFC notice, I believe, but had strong enough thoughts on deprecating these sorts of templates that I contributed instead of closing. ~

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resolved. No Confederate state listed tariffs as a reason for secession and the Morrill Tariff didn't pass the US Senate until over two weeks after the Confederacy formed. The Fugitive Slave Law, the LeCompton Constitution, and the Dred Scott Decision show that politicians from the slaveholding states were quite willing to trample on States Rights so long as it preserved and expanded slavery. Lee's reasons for joining the Confederate army are irrelevant, since they do not say anything about why the Confederacy was formed or why they attacked Ft Sumter. The reasons individual Confederate soldiers fought are irrelevant was well, since they do not say anything about why the Confederacy was formed or why they attacked Ft Sumter. Knowledge is not required to "present both sides of the argument", it is required to present the view of the majority of historians. There is no requirement to present fringe views, such as slavery being "benevolent", and if they are presented, they must be clearly shown to be fringe views. "Historically inaccurate" is the correct way to refer to the Lost Cause, though it probably should more accurately be listed as "the deliberate falsification of history".

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question of to what extent the Federal Government take action in the affairs of the states. Regardless of whether or not the institution was benevolent or not-I occupy something of a middle ground, but again, it's not my job to say so in the article-we must give a representation of the position of these people without denouncing it as wrong. Leave that for the readers to decide. I also add that I noticed that I'm not the first person to object to this part of the article. If you want opinions from historians, I suggest you read these words from

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opinion, the appropriate close here would just be "Consensus to keep, no consensus for or against deprecation because it appears both sides were talking around each other" more-or-less. The original RfC question didn't do a good job defining what deprecation of a template means, and editors on the "don't deprecate" side were arguing against something other than the proposal. There was never a full discussion actually related to what was being proposed. I'd be satisfied with such a close. ~

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need to do much better than citing an interview by Shelby Foote. His trilogy is a great read, but the fact is that this work has only a few pages on the causes of secession and they reflect the standard issues regarding slavery. I'm not aware of any published works by Foote that show he has researched the politics of the antebellum era. Until you get another editor to agree with you, there is no purpose in carrying this discussion any further.

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fight in the first place, and many of these taking arms for their states just did so out of loyalty whether than being guided by the politics behind the war - with Robert E Lee the classic example. Also, Foote's work was primarily military history, and he didn't much discuss the social and economic issues behind the war.

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state's rights, the south was largely upset that the northern states actually had state's rights that they used to oppose slavery. State's rights, in any debate, is a canard - they support the state's rights that they like and not that they don't. Finally, Foote pretty much entirely rejected the Lost Cause anyway.

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I'm not changing to a deprecate result, since none of the people who opposed deprecating struck their votes after discussion. Part of the problem is that nobody ever proposed what text would be included on this mythical documentation, so how would you ever expect anyone to consent to anything anyway,

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My interpretation of the consensus was that whether to deprecate the templates or not is a moot point to be decided later. So, whether to deprecate or not deprecate no longer is the issue, since it seems the decision was that it doesn't matter yet, and you couldn't properly decide it anyway until the

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The key thing about South Carolina's tariff fight is that it never left South Carolina - no other states were really interested, and it was not really a precursor to the civil war. While Foote's quote might accurately portray why some soldier's chose to fight, it didn't really explain why there was a

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Display99 Does not rely on any reliable sources, which leads to garbling key issues. For example he says that the tariff issue was part of states rights. No reliable source states that. There was tariff issue, but it was a grievance held by the northern industrial states against the South. The tariff

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Well Rjensen has checked in and disagreed with you; I'm now doing the same thing. There is no academic debate going on questioning either the significance of slavery in secession or the malevolence of slavery. To play off your language, ""Knowledge describes disputes; it doesn't make them up." You

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to do with the war, blaming every general with whom Lee disagreed for helping lose the war, denouncing every Union general as a barbarian or alcoholic, etc.), others I am more sympathetic to. But I try not to edit based upon those beliefs. The war was in fact about states' rights, as it was over the

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Lost Cause proponents tend to exaggerate when they say that slavery had nothing to do with the war. I personally see it as the primary reason. However, it is also an exaggeration to say that it was the only cause-and that tariffs such as the Morrill Tariff were not a concern. There is still a level

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the war, often by the exact same people who publicly stated they were fighting for slavery before the war. The few examples of state's right's dispute were all disputes about the right to hold slaves. Yes, there were tariff disputes and other issues, but these were similar to today's disputes about

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since these are scientific topics. Allowing non-science into science articles means undermining the actual science involved, and taking seriously the idea that the East is flat or that vaccines cause autism. We need to treat history articles the same way, since for many historical topics, there are

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There was certainly an element of those who chose to fight for the Confederates because they decided to side with their state whether than their government - Robert E Lee himself, for that matter. But they had that opportunity to decide because the state decided to fight to keep slaves. As far as

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Though the idea that slavery was cruel rather than benevolent may seem obvious to you, as it does to nearly everyone, it is yet still a moral opinion that cannot be endorsed in any way on a Knowledge article. Although it may be tempting, we should not treat it as historical fact, especially when

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All I care about regarding Foote in this discussion was that the quotation above gives a reliable insight into what most Southerners fought for. I'm not concerned here with what else he may have said. Foote did not accept many aspects of the Lost Cause, and neither do I. But he knew how to write

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I have reverted it back. I should have notified you before doing so, but I shall state my reasons now. First, there was a somewhat wider states' rights issue at play that led to the Civil War. These included the question of tariffs on imports, which were seen as unfairly harming the South while

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on the documentation page to let editors know a change is coming and wait. No disabling of the bot, subpages can still be created in the meantime, and no scheduled deletion at any point (that would require another discussion). The advantage is in editor awareness of the impending change. In my

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I think most editors don't get what deprecation is. I think you misunderstood, but I also think most people in the discussion as a whole misunderstood, so maybe "no consensus" on deprecation with consensus to keep is the best outcome. Anyway, deprecation is basically just a notification on the

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Oiyarbepsy is correct when they state that every Confederate state that gave reasons for secession gave slavery as their primary reason. Tariffs had been a source of disagreement in the past, but as Alexander Stephens made clear in his arguments against secession, that issue had already been

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Neelix redirects, but ones that don't make sense. Nearly every -ly that's made a visit to RfD has been deleted. And I have no idea what Agreeability would even mean. (Challenge: use it in a sentence). Maybe it would make more sense to put these redirect deletions under G5, banned users?

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means "discouragement of use of some feature, design or practice, typically because it has been superseded or is no longer considered safe, without (at least for the time being) removing it from the system of which it is a part or prohibiting its use." In other words, it means slapping

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I didn't ask for a definition. I asked what deprecation would mean in this specific instance. Would this mean disabling the bot that creates the pages, for example? (Keep in mind that I'm hobbled by not having a clear understanding on how this works).

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And just to be clear, I'm not necessarily encouraging you to close in favor of deprecation. I'm not commenting on that because I'm certainly involved. But I do think the close should address the heart of the matter, whatever the outcome is. ~

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Thanks for commenting as I am still experimenting with editing text and finding the best places to put it as I just wrote a relatively large paragraph related to writing styles with little punctuation and I'm not entirely sure where it went.

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I'll add that the more I think about this template, the less I understand what deprecating it even means. Does it mean a mass-delete? Does it mean to to remove transclusions? Does it mean not to create any more of them? Or something else?

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of debate as to the relative importance of all the things listed here. We have been having one. The term "states rights" covers both tariffs and slavery, and many other things as well, dating back to the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions.

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cite slavery as his primary reason for joining the Confederate army? I hope you don't mind, but I really want to get this issue settled. With all respect and no offense intended, is it possible that some other recent contributors to this

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For both photos, we need written explicit permission. And this is not just permission to use it on Knowledge, but it is permission for anyone on Earth to use the photo for any purpose. Some licensing options include releasing it to

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I have updated the article about a Monk and Nun. I added 2 Photos one each in the article. One photo was given to me by the Nun herself. Khanti Khema. I have sent her a email asking to give me permission to use the photo on wiki.

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As far as I know, that's not what deprecation means. As far as I know it means that old stuff can stay but don't make any new stuff. If you're still making subpages and running a bot, then you haven't deprecated anything.

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This does an adequate job of explaining how most people today see the Lost Cause movement, as well as some of the basic tenets of the movement's proponents. Also, I was looking at the Knowledge page for the

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You may think that the Lost Cause is wrong, but you cannot edit based upon that belief. I object to some aspects of Lost Cause philosophy (going a bit too far in defense of slavery, claiming it had

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will help to have documentation pages for templates that actually explain what they do and how they work. Complex templates like PBB & Infobox gene shouldn't have essentially blank doc pages

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were created in 2008. They existed in the database for 8 years without worrying anyone. I suggest it's a waste of admin time to go "cleaning them up" now - and the thousands more like them. --

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Please don't tell me that Shelby Foote is not a historian. Read the quote! (Also, how is stating what most historians think, rather than what we Wikipedians think, considered pseudo history?)

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And I finally would like to mention the sense of horror I felt when you said you hold a "middle ground" on whether slavery was good for slaves. It's terrifying that these ideas even exist.

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The idea that there was any benevolence to slavery is also not supported by any historians. It is a purely southern view, part of trying to excuse their actions instead of coming clean.

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aside from a magic word that non-technical people don't understand. I'm willing to reopen for clarification if you have some specific wording proposed for the template documentation.

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As consensus is against me, I suppose I'll have to let you revisionists have your way for now. But be prepared for someone else to object to the content, as I am not the first.

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These are not cherry-picked. The full statements are 90% about slavery and various ways that the North had undermined it. The history is clear and the Lost Cause is wrong.

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Slavery was an issue taken within the context of states' rights. You claimed in your last revert that each state cited slavery as its primary reason for seceding. Did

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We typically allow seven days for you to send in the permissions for the file before they are deleted. If it takes longer than that, we can undelete the files later.

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Clearly, that soldier fought because he wanted to preserve the sovereignty of his native state. He was not thinking about fighting to keep some rich man's slaves.

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in effect in 1860 was written by Southerners for the benefit of Southerners, and designed to hurt the industrial states such as Pennsylvania, NY and New England.

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Sorry A5 doesn't apply since these pages were created before his topic ban. And without a community decision to delete these redirects, they don't fit under CSD.

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I am unsure of the why copyright rules work. But I assumed that if we are using a photo of the person in a article about that person it would not be a problem.

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Thanks for the information given on the licence details of images, I have accordingly changed one image and will do so for the other also.

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Wikidata stuff is done. That's how I read the discussion section that appeared below the voting sections. Did I understand it incorrectly?

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A fairy is a magical creature popular in fiction, having a human form, but with wings, about 8 cm tall in most works. Most famously,

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As far as my opinion on the article, the wording should be strengthened, not weakened. I think it should have a section similar to

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of 1861, which some blame for starting the war. It includes a quote from British writer Charles Dickens, which reads in part:

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No historian takes seriously the idea that the civil war was about anything but slavery. State's Right's was largely invented

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The elements are not controversial, but settled historical facts, so the word controversy is not acceptable in this case.

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explicitly dealing with a group that may disagree. Most people will decide that it is cruel anyway without us saying it.

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My present work is not so much related to what I'm writing as where to put it and am enjoying the process.

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Other photo of B. Vimalaramsi is used from the website but I have a implicit permission to use this photo.

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But you don't have to ask me. Let's look at what the Southern states themselves said when they seceded:

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I do not want to drop the word "many." Foote said, in the same interview quoted above, and linked

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says otherwise. There were more than 50,000 of these at one time. It's specifically written into

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consider it valid. Similarly, only scientific view are considered of any value is articles like

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As it has now been over 36 hours since I have heard from you, I will make the suggested edits.

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What you say is false, but can we still use the phrase without the word "controversial" in it?

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because I didn't see anything about them that woudl fit G6. But I notice there may be a wider

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My above comments made clearly obvious that I disagreed. My silence was not consent.

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welfare and taxation, that is, nothing anyone will withdraw from the country over.

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As I already noted on your talk page, I don't see why this is different than

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Hello. I noticed that about 2 days ago you reverted my edits to the page

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Nice to meet you! I'm totally green around here. What's a fairy?

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impartially, and I think that he would agree with me right now.

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Also drop many. But, then why not simple say it's inaccurate?

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It means what I said in my last sentence. Literally slap a

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