User talk:Grenavitar/Archive 1

2181:, but they are a minuscule minority (as opposed to Muslims who reject some sahih hadith and accept others, which is much commoner) and are often seen as non-Muslim, and devoting a substantial proportion of what was a fairly short article to them gives a rather misleading impression. I thought you had reached a pretty good conclusion at the end of that - namely, that a new article should be created on hadith-rejecters (United Submitters International is the most high-profile one) where fuller information could be placed. I can see that you found some of the sites he cited offensive, but they do represent a significant constituency. - 1877:

family, or the male's women, as an attack on the male's HONOR, which must be wiped out with blood, or the male will be seen as weak and dishonored. I think Ernest Gellner discusses this in one of his books, as a widespread adaptation to life in stagnant agricultural societies, where there is only so much land or power, and all competition is zero-sum. Truculence is adaptive behavior under these conditions. Gellner doesn't see this as specifically Islamic behavior -- he points out that various Mediterranean Christians act like this as well.

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devotion. And the often un-mentioned aspect of the Indian film industry is that it draws on the same body of literature and literateurs that that region has had for millenia--and a very major component of that (some would say majority) is that of the Urdu tradition, which is steeped in Sufi traditions, language, and thought. So the poets writing a lot of the literature for Indian movies are just doing what they always did: talk about a beloved. Hope I am not talking in circles here.. For background, see also my post on the

1078:. We have one set of traditions, all stemming from the same fellow, saying that Aisha in her old age was claiming to have been only nine years old when married. On the other hand, we have the first biographies of Muhammad, which point to Aisha being much older when married. It is a complicated matter, which really can't be covered in the Muhammad article without throwing it out of focus. That's why we have the reference to the Aisha article. It is covered in Knowledge, in great detail, just in a separate article. 1190:, but nevertheless ignore the basic fact that in terms of common usage, they are functionally equivalent - so much so that translators use then interchangeably. Their historical context, nuantic differences, and internal spiritual aspects are tertiary to their commonalities. That said, if "jihad" becomes an English word, which makes "crusade" not such a general (though maybe just-depricated) term, but a literal referent to a historical (and perhaps current) event, then yes, we can say that between these two 1519:

but it wouldnt be too difficult to tweak to find the right balance.) Any edit by an admin however would show up straight away. A normal logged in user, can mark any edit as vandalism which means that it will not show up when the lag catches up, then only an admin (or the user who origanaly marked the edit as vandalism) can unmark that edit as vandalism (once an edit has been unmarked, it can only be remarked by another admin). Misuse of marking things as vandalism would be a ban.

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consistency in spelling across its articles. When the same name is spelled 6 or 7 different ways, it can be confusing. I also changed instances of Koran to Qur'an, and instances of Moslem to Muslim, as both are more accepted spellings, with the alternatives considered not politically correct or archaic. I realize that there is no inherent superiority of one spelling over the other, but I think that consistency is to be valued. --

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hasn't attracted a consistent English transliteration. At some point I will get around to starting the AliR article and will note its original French name in the text before making sure that the links to it in other articles are English, unless someone beats me to it. It's obviously not a big deal, especially since the article isn't made yet, but I thought I'd let you know beforehand. Cheers,

1417:. I can provide what insights I have... The way I see it, it is not violence, but justice that is built into Islam, and like other systems before and after it (Christianity, American Democracy, the French Revolutionary spirit...), people have taken justice and interpreted it in anger to justify blind retribution of an extreme nature; others have used it to justify their own private agendas... 1406:

want to KILL me. For me, as a Buddhist, this means trying hard to understand what is right about Islam, to put myself inside rather than outside of it. But the mindset that stones adulteresses is beyond me. I'm flattered that you would consult me on this topic, but I think you may have over-estimated my neutrality.

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Well ofcourse , it will be nice to list someone , some scholar , authentic people ( of any school of thought or religion ) . I dont think giving his name under the word humanist is a good choice . He is just an average guy , claiming to be more than he is . And humanist ?? I would say buddhists R the

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You are quite right on what must happen, the picture must work in M$ IE even though it may be sh!t. I did all the picture editing on MS apps (MS Paint and MS photo editor ). Yet this doesn't work with MS IE, ...figures. All this serves to illustrate much of microshaft's brokenware. I was completely

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Edip is certainly notable, and I agree there is an article here. You and Anonymous are definitely right to object to these editing methods. I suspect someone working on Edip's behalf is operating on the assumption WP is basically like a chat board. Better analogy might be a combination board meeting

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under section "hindu baboons". I would appreciate if you can mediate here and stop these guys from making anymore attacks and "alleging" that I am Pakistani when I am only an American with interest in south Asian history. They seem to enjoy flame wars. Anyways check it out, while I report the "Edip"

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Yes. Admin SlimVirgin is probably getting tired of my complaints. :). I seem to be having a lot of conflicts against vandal/hindu extremist editors who think it was wrong for me to stop an attack being made against them! Yes I know its crazy and they want to take this to a flamewar level. Please see

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Just to add to this, I should point out that Edip has an extreme POV (he even mentions it) and much of it may just be defined as original research, so you might want to clarify certain things. Edip is a supporter of Khalifa, but he is not famous as I have just heard of him now. He has wrote a number

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Gren, I would appreciate if you would refrain from continuously censuring edits inserted in the Islam article that do not conform with your image of Islam. I know that generally you try to be fair and impartial, but nevertheless you have been reverting a lot of my edits. Knowledge is not a selective

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back into the original French. Knowledge convention is that articles should have the commonly used English version of a name, if there is one. I had to move about four articles I had made on Congolese rebel groups when this was originally pointed out to me. The RDR seems to be the only group that

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btw, re: your user page, and stable versions. I would like to see a stable version which all un-logged-in users would see. It would be a version of the article which is 1 to 24 hours old (depending on how busy the article is - so for example back in january the asian tsunami article would have had a

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I've removed the NPoV tag. Notices like that disfigure Knowledge, and shouldn't be used unless things have got really bad (there can be intense disagreement on Talk pages without NPoV templates being considered). If you're unsure about what you've written, then calling for other opinions is a good

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comes out with a blue background. However, loaded locally, the same picture (save right from wikipedia) will have the transparency. So this leaves two possiblities, A) wikipedia screws with transparencies or B) Microsoft has a really weird bug in their code. Both are possible but I have not the time

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goes (I assume that's what you're thinking of?) I didn't think his edits were "oriented towards a strong Sunni view" so much as simply rebalancing the article towards what almost all Muslims (Sunni, Shia, Ismaili, Ibadi, even Mutazila or the like) would accept. I think his analogy of Unitarians in

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I saw that you voted yes and I was curious about what you thought. I have found that he is sometimes oriented towards a strong Sunni view. Do you see this or... I'm just curious. It seemed to me that such a demeanor (which could have gotten better) and not that many edits (nor that many of great

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The Rotten Library has grown extensively lately, and the articles I am adding are fully fleshed out articles with significant information relating to the topics I've added them to. I haven't added the minor template-esque articles relating to any of these topics and so none of these links violates

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That's exactly what I'm trying to do. There is no standard format for Saudi cities and provinces. I have finished moving all cities (removed the initial "al", even the Arabic Knowledge discourages the use of "al" in titles and names, it's as awkward as naming an article "The White House" instead of

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Obvoiusly all markings of vandalism, would go in to a recent changes style list, for admins to peruse. If an admin agrees with the marking of a particular edit as vandalism, there could be a little button, which would bring up a list of options for the admin alongthe lines of "yes this is vandalism

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I would need to think about this for a while. It concerns the aspects of Islam that most disturb, even revolt me: the anger, the violence, the blind worship of human creations like the Qur'an and the Hadith. I started learning about Islam after 9/11, because I wanted to understand why someone would

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Variations are biasing, and the approach of basing one template on another has little to do with colors as it does with structure. I think your point is that a template is a neutral entity, and brings neither bias nor equality. In that case, whats the difference? The structure of the Islam template

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My mind does wander, doesn't it? Anyhow, I'm staying away from all of this. I don't see that I'd do any good by getting involved. Unless I see a good editor being picked on, I'm going to let those involved fight it out. Gosh, there are times I get so weary of Knowledge. It's a constant mano-a-mano

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would have a lag of 24 hours. How busy an article would be measured by some formula which would take in to account how many edits there are by users with more than 100 edits each every 24 hours, and also how many active users have it on thier watchlist. I dont know what the exact formula would be,

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Heya, welcome to Knowledge, thanks for helping with the vandalism cleanup. Two hints (on just a single edit, I'm very picky, I know...): You don't need to VfD vandalism removal, just stick a {{del}} or a {{db|Cleanup of vandalism}} on it and it'll get deleted quickly and cleanly. Secondly, if you

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articles) and the discussion I and a few other users has had with him about how his articles were started as an advertisement for him and one of his fellow supporters against wikipedia policy (vanity biography articles). I would also like to point out to you that these are very small minority of

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However, "Salat" is used alone, but usually in Urdu and by Urdu-speakers speaking English, for example. The complication there is that most second generation speakers, converts, and a lot of first generation American/Western Muslims sometimes, in my humble opinion, over-compensate and use Arabic

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I've added my explanation for deleting the "quote" section on the talkpage now. I'm not too sure though if the anon will actually oppose my edit, because nothing has been deleted, it has just been moved to a more appropiate place. Anyway, re your suggestion about a reduced "quote" section. What

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I've been wondering if the kind of behavior Carpediem is manifesting is of the same ilk as shown by the Quran-desecration rioters, and also by honor-killers, etc. etc. That is, a kind of hyper-vigilant machismo that views any slur on the male's religion, or the male's nationality, or the male's

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I figured that it would be easier to maintain consistency within articles by mass changing everything to Muhammad. I don't see that this causes any real harm, as I a) didn't change anything within a quotation, and b) didn't change the names of anyone else. As I see it, Knowledge benefits from

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Alright, I read up a little, and I should be including those tags. I imagine the portraits, etc. wouldn't need that sort of thing? The Vatican stamps, however; any idea how I would go about finding out if those are public domain? I had these images saved on my computer before I uploaded them.

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I can understand your objections - normally, I think he wouldn't have been nominated for another couple of months - but he's been nominated now, and I think he's ready to do a good job. I would say Edip Yuksel is rather less notable than Rashad Khalifa, but maybe worthy of an article; has he

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Hmmm. "Matching Sufi poetry" is not the point. These are often the same poets. Sufi poetry, as it is, uses lots of symbolism and often talks of a beloved. And that has led to Urdu having a very well-developed system of words, references, and poetry talking about the beloved and the object of

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Well, I am not a linguist and don't quite remember the technical term for it, but the last "consonant" in that term is a common Arabic form that is soft sound like an "h" when the word is used alone and becomes a "t" (actually a "th") sound when used in compound form. Thus "Salah", but

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For what it's worth, even though the article is not yet close to NPOV and has vanity problems, Edip is indeed a prominent person. Don't know what the flameware business is -- doesn't sound like Edip. I would like to help bring this article up a notch. See the discussion at

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I cannot remember which fonts I had been using for these images. In fact, I had made them with Windows but I've been using Linux for two years: in the meanwhile, my computer changed a lot. I'll try to find out, though: I've got lots of archives, I may have saved those

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Dimfless had previously said on my userpage "my article is original.i just used capital letters for names of towns and persons to show their significance.it is insulting to imply that i copied something that belongs to my anchestors' history" which means I suck. :(

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I only wish that since you have done more for this template than I that you look at the talk page for it and help to decide the nesting and what belongs on the template itself. I am just trying to say we must formalize what will go on it before we make

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The "Muhammad was a pedophile" charge is a great favorite of anti-Muslim bigots (at least these days) and it gets thrown into the Muhammad article on a regular basis. I really do think that the Aisha article is a sufficient consideration of the matter.

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Hi - thanks for offering help. But as it was the notion of parity with the Islam template (fair is fair, right?) that was my impetus for doing it at all. And where would we be without suchsame impetus? So, for now the design of the Islam template

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Yes, you're absolutely right. Thanks, I appreciate this gren. I took out my previous message, but you can read what I wrote about it in the edit history. Thanks again and I will keep watch. Drop me a message if you need any "help" of this sort.

2428:. I think they took your statement that "perhaps the article should not have been deleted" over the limit. Still, just check it out. The article is massive and rallies support for Khizar and Yuksel. I just can't get through to these guys. :) -- 1937:. I terminated the vote for deletion process due to the anonymity of the nominator and his or her lack of substantial grounds to make such a nomination. Your comments however have been archived in the Saint Stephen talk page. Thank you! -- 1509:

When i uploaded it i thought it was under a free license (i took it from wikipedia, cause we needed an image for wikinews) - but it would seem that i was wrong, and that it is in fact fair use. Feel free to deleate it. Sorry about that.

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I took them out specifically to make pruning easier. Because then you can copy and paste the list into excel, then delete them in that by comparing the numbers, rather than searching through the lists. It is much quicker that way.

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ban user for 48 hours" or "no this is not vandalism ban reporting user for 24 hours". After this button has been clicked by an admin, a little tick would come up next to the edit on the list saying that it had been checked.

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Hullo Gren. I think Klonimus is venomous, Carpediem is thin-skinned, the current Islamofascist article is fine, and the old Islamofascist article (preserved on Klonimus' page) is partly informative, partly ... venomous.

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and listen to a few samples of Jamshid, the L.A. Persian rocker. He's a marvelous combination of Persian traditional music and hard-hitting rock. He deserves to be much more widely known than he is. I have his two CDs.

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Hi. I'm thinking of removing the photo from the abovementioned template for style reasons; I thought I'd drop you a line since you've worked on the template. There are comments and a preview of the revision at

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Hi! I, too, noticed you reverting my change of "né" to "born". I wasn't aware that it was a proper English word: I thought it was forgotten to be translated from French. Anyway: wouldn't it be more consistent if

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In the mean time, I thought you might be interested in this: I have just finally got to publishing my thoughts and translations on Sufi Poetry in Urdu. For now, it will be mainly on the following page:

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forms, often to a ridiculous extent. Problems include using Arabic forms in grammatically inappropriate places--and even over-using formulations. An example of the latter is the ridiculous over-use of

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moved a lot of pages to gibberish names, I was one of the people moving them back. Moving a page creates a redirect at the old name, this is unavoidable but that junk is being deleted by sysops.

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No problem....all "word jihads" make me nervous. I'm going to revert the baptized too, as "né" says it better, it will match the others, and there's no British/American spelling difference. -

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of essays but he is not renowned in anyway. Personally, I believe he wants to use Knowledge as a base to raise support and gain recognition/fame and Zora and some other editors also agree.

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I don't think my English is good enough so that I can write a whole article in that language. I can help you understand parts of what I wrote in French, though. Do not hesitate to ask.

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External links almost always violate the POV ideals cultivated here at Knowledge. That's why they're external instead of internal links, and it's not an argument for their removal.--

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worries me about it is that if we reduce it now to say, 3 quotes, I am almost sure that when I get back to the article in a few months, the section will just be expanded again. --

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link. Not only does this base the newer on a precedent, it allows for a reflection on the order and choice of terms represented - structure shows no bias, but prominence does.

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size) and the circumstances of an rfa from an argument seemed a little odd... I typically trust your opinion, so I more or less want to know why you voted the way you did.

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in the middle of construction. If you want to help it appears that the template lacks a closing tag, which causes the article text to be nested within the template. -

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is not incorrect; however, it is an unnecessary little genteelism, redolent of small-city newspapers' wedding announcements, one that good writers avoid— except at

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Gren, OK, I added a separate heading 'ma malakat amaynukum' as the concept is central in understanding sex slavery in islamic countries. Hope this is allright. --

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that the "authors" of the page should realize before I actually report it. I am sure that we can all agree on those and hope that Edip/Khizar will obey. Thanks--

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.

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In response: Yes, you are absolutely right about the NPOV thing. I think that all his beliefs along with balancing criticism can be summed up on the

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If Edip Yuksel is noteworthy, someone besides Edip will put up a page for him. Any page put up by the person himself (or herself) is sheer vanity.

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HI.. I havebeen listening to Junoon & A.R.Rahman for a long time ....but never heard about Jamshid , I think I should give him a try..thanx .

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because I've seen enough Indian movies to have run into that word. The lyricists like to attempt to match Sufi poetry I think. Thanks again :)

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to Knowledge! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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In one word, no. I wish it was different, but I am not surprised or think it is crazy. It is just a function of human nature, I guess.

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on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out

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I should probably check up on that. :-/ If the image were copyrighted, would it be concretely listed as such on the source webpage?

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Sorry, when I saw the page, all it contained was an interwiki link. You way want to fully write the article before creating it.

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has just turned up. If you want to work on an article on the Qur'an-only guys, he would probably be worth consulting with. -

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No the flamewar has nothing to do with Edip, I was just requesting some help from Gren. Yes I have listed some conditions on

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idea, but until someone actually disagrees (and perhaps not even then), I don't think that the article should be marked.

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Pro-sina zealot has some concerns about "criticism" of Sina that he wishes to discuss with you. Check it out. Thanks. --

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Muhammad's spelling wasn't limited to Mohammed and Muhammed, but also included Mohammad, Mohemed, Mohamed, and Mohamad.

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Hi Grenavitar! I appreciate what you have done by creating basic stubs for all quranic suras. However, did you note my

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Yeah, well, maybe you are right, and maybe I should be more careful with such actions when editing a battlefield like

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It looks like you nominated this for VfD back in December, but it didn't get listed. Do you still want a VfD on it?

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I think this is much more in keeping with the wikiway. The problem is that it requires some additions to mediawiki.

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No! By that reasoning, we all would know how all of the articles should look before they actually look that way. ;)

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Your welcome. Angry faces: these are all parts of maintaining NPOV and from my POV you have done it effectively. --

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article/stub. I have recommended this to him several times, but we shall see what will come of this. Thanks. --

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Sura articles could be updated with a single edit to the template. Sorry for not telling you this earlier :o\

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This Edip article keeps coming up and up even after 4 deletions, should I report this? Reply soon. Thanks.--

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The blog's not really "mine", but a collaboration with some folks who are mainly in Hyderabad (Deccan) (see

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And to that ends it is necessary to know what goes on the template before we can know how it will best look

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two or three different spellings were used within individual articles. Sometimes within the same paragraph

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article, which I have spent ten hours revising, and fix any typos, unclear phrasing, and errors of fact.

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I notice that you "correct" "born" to "né" and "née" in biography articles. You are quite right to say

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linked so prominently in the Islam template was my sole motivation for creating an equivalent with the

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Gee thanks. I'm not at sure that you really want to imitate me, however. I'm a terrible social klutz.

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The link included is to show you which painting I mean, I don't know anything about copyright myself.

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and redesigning it in the way you suggest would be like changing the design plans of, for example a

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lag of one hour (or maybe it could have had it's lag completely turned off by an admin?) where as

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article. No citations given, all personal promotion without any balance and still classifies as

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Thanks for finding that photo and fixing the link! Please feel free to delete the duplicate. -

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To figure out his POV before consulting, you should probably look at his first few edits (

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presentation of information that only cater to one POV. Maybe a refresh read of wikipedia

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article in the past and thought you might be interested to know that I have listed it at

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hey men u sent me a message concerning papaflessas page.what seems to be your problem ?

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Actualy, you do not need "special" fonts. Any Unicode font could work. For instance:

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Anyone who is interested in voting one way or the other is invited to the discussion

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Women_as_imams&diff=prev&oldid=12213390

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Its there, now kid - just edit it. If i dont like something you do, Ill complain. ;)

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The subject of Aisha's age at marriage is given extensive coverage in the article on

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Upon your message I did load the picture up in IE, to find that the wikipedia file

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Does anyone else find it slightly insane that we have much more information about

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Looks like someone fulfilled your request for a translation of the article on

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You asked me several questions about Arabic alphabet on my French user page (

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Because... as of my last check Salafism was on the Christianity template...

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biggest humanists of all times . He doesent look to be a humanist at all .

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however Christianity might not be so easily fit into that style template.

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Wikipolicy regarding external links, or anything else for that matter.--

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Congratulations on the most excellent pic of Paternoster Square in the

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ARTICLE IS DELETED????? Uh oh, Edip/Khizar won't like this at all. --

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licence which is incompatible with wikipedia. Please respond to the

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Caliph#Minor_note_about_transliteration

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Christianity was fair; yes, Muslims do exist who reject the hadith

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