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point because it saw the official, ludicrously premature, declaration by the French that Tonkin had been 'pacified' and the downgrading of the Tonkin expeditionary corps to a division of occupation. There would then be room for another article from 1886 to 1896, Pacification of Tonkin, covering the insurgency in Tonkin and the real work of pacification. At the end of the Sino-French War the French only held the Delta securely, and large parts of western Tonkin were only brought under French rule in the late 1880s. I've spent several months going over
Thomazi's blow-by-blow account of every skirmish during those ten years, and I am thinking of writing an article on the pacification, or at least one on the siege of Ba Dinh in 1886, a sort of Dien Bien Phu in reverse, with the French on the outside. The future Marshal of France Joseph Joffre, then a mere captain, had a starring role there, so that would also make it of interest.
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name must take into account several factors. Preferred usage in the country concerned must obviously be one factor, but cannot be the only one. Other factors must be whether the new name is likely to stand the test of time (which is why atlases normally wait a few years before accepting name changes such as Burma to
Myanmar), and how well-known and well-established the existing name is. The degree of official support for a name change must be another factor, and here it does not help matters that Taiwan's government is recognised only by a few banana republics. Beijing has largely replaced Peking in English (except in historical contexts) because the PRC government wishes it so, and the Western world's academics and cartographers have been happy to oblige an up-and-coming power. Sad but true.
446:. Vietnam sounds anachronistic, which is also the reason I am using Wade Giles in my book for Chinese names instead of pinyin (though I have reluctantly used pinyin for Knowledge contributions). As for the convention on Annamese place names, thanks for enlightening me. Again, the nineteenth-century French sources tended to hyphenate them (e.g. Lang-Son, Tuyen-Quan). My practice is, now I come to think of it, inconsistent. Thus I use Sontay, Bacninh, Langson, but also Tuyen-Quan. I have no objection whatsoever to adopting broken syllables for Vietnamese place names. Does that also apply to personal names? E.g., would it be Prince Hoang Ke Viem or do you need hyphens?
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Expeditionary Corps and the Formosa Expeditionary Corps, not to mention the Cochin China Naval Division. Finally, biographies of Courbet, Millot, Briere de l'Isle (there's one already, I know), de Negrier and Giovanninnelli on the French side, and at least Liu Mingchuan, Sun Kaihua, Zeng Zizhe and Tang Chingsong on the Chinese side, plus elaborations to existing bios of Li Hongzhang and Liu Yongfu (or Liu Yung-fu, as it's presently titled. It's just a question of summarising stuff that's already in my book, so it shouldn't take more than a few weeks ...
2102:. . . we should mention Olivier de Puymanel, a volunteer who disembarked from Dryade in 1788 at the age of 20. The bishop so appreciated his qualities that he appointed him his chief of staff. When he died at the age of 31, in 1799, worn out by his efforts, he had accomplished a considerable work in Cochinchina, notably in directing the construction of Vaubanesque fortresses covering the principal strategic positions of the country—Vinh Long, Ha Tien, My Tho, Bien Hoa and so on—and which our soldiers, seventy years later, would be not a little surprised to find facing them.
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2670:?' I'll be using the English and Chinese Knowledge articles as material for the talk. The contrast between the two articles is striking. I'll know that I've finally got through with my own interpretation of the SF War when people begin translating my articles into Chinese (or indeed, into French, for that matter)! Somebody has added some of my Chinese generals to the Chinese article on the Battle of Zhennan Pass, but they've still kept the absurd casualty figures of over 1,000 dead in the 2nd Brigade. Hence my sly comment at the end of my own article
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contributing SF War articles to
Knowledge in May 2008, in the hope that people would spot and correct any mistakes before the book comes out, and things have sort of mushroomed since then. I find doing Wiki articles utterly addictive, and also very much enjoy searching for suitable images to illustrate them. I'm now heading back into the 1860s and 1850s with Rigault de Genouilly and learning a great deal myself in the process. I dare say I'll get back to Pigneau de Behaine eventually ...
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3156:). I appealed to them to start contributing to Knowledge, and particularly to import more accurate information into the Chinese Knowledge Sino-French War articles. And I discovered that the Department of History has a microfilm collection of the North China Herald (Shanghai English-language newspaper), so I can read the entire nine-months collection for the Sino-French War and see what they were saying in China about. I'm sure it will contain masses of fascinating new information.
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pacified), so that it runs for the life of the expeditionary corps. Although my focus has been on the battles with China so far, there was an awful lot going on behind the front lines to entrench the French positions in Tonkin, and I could easily expand what you have done already to mention the expeditions directed against the
Vietnamese rather than the Chinese. It would also have the advantage that I could move a lot of stuff from
3660:(an undistinguished French fort at Keelung, which existed for a grand total of eight months before the Chinese flattened it after the French evacuation in June 1885), but I don't really want to think about that prospect! As you have observed, what I've done so far is link to subjects which I think are sufficiently important to merit an article, and which one of these days I intend to write myself (some of the
1496:, which is one of my better ones. Then try to decide who won the campaign, and why. You could argue that it was a victory for the French, who won most of the battles, or a victory for the Chinese, who tied down substantial French forces in an inconclusive struggle around Keelung. Trying to resolve these problems has been one of the reasons why I have so far avoided using these boxes myself.
4455:(or Brīmu), and he was the malek of Baţīmu (or Badtemu, Batīmu). Have you ever come by this village or the name Malek Breemu in your review of the literature and manuscripts when writing your thesis/book? Malek Breemu would have been alive around the same time in which Cutts' book was in the process of being written (i.e. during his travels), roughly corresponding to the mid-19th century.
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2099:, me again. I've amended the section in question after doing a bit of checking. The mistake was entirely my fault: I'd just tended to assume that Vaubanesque citadels like at Son Tay had been built by French engineers. Thomazi, who is generally good on matters of fact if not of interpretation, attributes four citadels, all in Cochinchina, to Olivier de Puymanel. Here's the passage:
3673:. I didn't know, until somebody pointed it out to me, that he later became an admiral, and as such is the subject of a Knowledge article. I then went through all my articles linking him up wherever he appeared. Something like that might happen again in one or two cases, but I would be surprised if many of my so-far unlinked officers turned out to be as notable as Boué de Lapeyrère.
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can't be bothered with the accents) for the Bac Le ambush. Ferry couldn't declare war because the
Chamber of Deputies would not have supported it, with the result that he fought the Sino-French War on a shoestring, conjuring up troops from wherever he could, mostly from the army in Africa. He was sustained by the French parliament so long as things went well, but with the
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I'm certainly open-minded about this. For the time being, though I prefer to rely on
Thomazi, old though he is, than the history of Vietnam by Chapuis quoted in a previous revision, which seems unreasonably biased against the French. For the time being, I'd prefer not to use this source until I've looked further into the incident. If necessary, I will reinstate it.
1857:. I'm wondering whether your article might be more profitably retitled 'Siege of Saigon'. The capture took one day; the subsequent siege lasted a couple of years (I've got a lot of stuff in Thomazi on both the capture and the siege). It would add to the somewhat weak category Sieges involving Vietnam, and would be on the same footing as the analogous article
1527:, and would include under French personalities Rigault de Genouilly, Charner and Page. I eventually intend to create articles on Capture of My Tho and Capture of Bien Hoa to complete the military side of the campaign. And there would be space for biography articles of the Vietnamese commanders. There's a lot in Thomazi which I will put in shortly.
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Chinese around Keelung on 1 October 1884 was fought for a hill invariably called Mount Clement by Europeans at the time. Given that the sources for the battle are overwhelmingly French (and it's not my fault there are so few Chinese sources for the fighting in Taiwan), I have duly called it Mount Clement in my
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the 2003 invasion. I've got a nice quote from Paul
Puginier in April 1882, when he heard that Riviere was about to seize the citadel of Hanoi. He predicted that it would take the French 20 years to conquer Tonkin, and was not far out in his estimate. Needless to say, Riviere's young naval captains did not believe him.
2045:, it appears that modern consensus is that the French trained the Nguyen military in the 1790s and after that the Nguyen understood how Vauban and European boats and forts worked and they then built the later forts themselves. I don't think Thomaxi views are the prevailing ones anymore. Thoughts? Keep up the good work.
682:), are you sure about this? I am no authority but "Battle of Zhennan Pass" gives 10x as many g-hits than "Battle of Bang Bo". Most of them are wikipedia+mirror hits, but of the remaining ones, "Zhennan Pass" still seems to outnumber "Bang Bo". I would say that this battle is NOT familiarly known, anywhere, anyway. --
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on your main point, I've compromised by retitling the article to get both names in. Although I've brought in the
Chinese deployments, my description of the battle is mainly from the French point of view, and given the nature of the article I think their name, Bang Bo, should take precedence over Zhennan Pass.
2478:. There's something strange. You read the entire article, you realize that it mostly talked about the background, causes, materials, loses, and results. But for the bombardment itself, it had only but a few words about it. So if you more informations, please expand and write more about the attack, thank.
120:. This method works well if you're just trying to write a few words, but it can take a very, VERY long time if you're writing up whole sentences or paragraphs in Syriac. Other than that, I can give you a link and instructions to download and enable Syriac fonts if you plan on writing a large amount. --
4400:), but I'm afraid I do not know anything about the more recent events! I guess it's generally better to avoid controversial topics on Knowledge (I generally do so of course, except when my own contributions are challenged!) It is a great honour to be contributing with people of your caliber :) Cheers
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claiming to show French troops disembarking at Da Nang in 1858? I ask because I have seen that image before in a French book on the Sino-French War, only there it claims to show French troops either at Thuan An in August 1883 or at Keelung in October 1884 (I don't have the book to hand in the office,
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In the French sources, the battle is almost invariably called Paper Bridge, though I have seen Battle of Cau Giay on occasion. I think western readers who know anything at all about Riviere's death would think of Paper Bridge rather than Cau Giay, so I think we need to keep Paper Bridge in the title
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article to refer to the 1883-1885 events preceding the Sino-French war per se. I also made a template for the battles of the Tonkin campaign. I hope this will be a satisfactory way of classifying the pre-Sino-French war events of the period. I also made a template to offer a better coverage of French
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Twentieth-century Vietnamese history is not really my field, I'm afraid. Once I've finished the stuff on the Sino-French War and the four Chinese regional navies, my plan is to go on to the Cochin China campaign (1860s), Francis Garnier's first attempt to conquer Tonkin (1873-74), and the Vietnamese
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One of my aims in writing a suite of articles on the Sino-French War is to combat the inaccuracies that appear in various Knowledge articles that deal with it. The Chinese Knowledge article, for example, claims that the French lost 1,000 men at Zhennan Pass. I think not. I've also seen claims that
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I was hoping for 23 August 2009 (the 125th anniversary, and all that), but HKU Press (University of Hong Kong) pointed out that anniversaries are only important for wars that people have heard of. So I'm now aiming for 2010. I've got to draw all the maps, for one thing. And there's a lot of Chinese
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Greetings. I'm trying hard to get a hold of a wikipedia user named PHG (stands for Per Honor et Gloria). I noticed you've been in contact with him/her via his/her wiki talk page. I am VERY new to this sort of posting and would like to contact him/her via email. PHG posted an article on a map I'm very
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It is those criterion that I hope we can find evidence on. There are other rules, but I doubt any of them apply here. Personally I don't really have a preference for either name. I've had approximately equal exposure to both and equal knowledge of both. I knew both referred to islands of Taiwan,
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Hi Djwilms! Thank you so much for your testimony, I truely appreciate! Knowledge can be quite annoying, even revolting, at times, but I believe that overall it is a good project. You once said that you did your PhD thesis on the Nestorians. It is actually an area I stumbled upon by chance, but found
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French admirals come into this category). But is it the intention to link absolutely everything? What about, say, the company captains of French battalions that I mention in footnotes? I've put them in for the benefit of wargamers and others who like that sort of information. Personally, I would
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to remove a certain amount of repetition and to go further into the background and significance of the incident. I'm trying to find out more about why the negotiations failed and the circumstances in which the battle started. The suggestion that the French opened fire first is also intriguing, and
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Hi Djwilms, I am a bit surprised with your writings about Gia Long and Minh Mang's dealings with the French and Pigneau. From my understanding, the modern books - anything since WW2, all say that the French govt didn't go through with the assistance deal of 1500 odd men and few boats and in the end,
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Yes, it's difficult to categorise things like the Son Tay and Bac Ninh campaigns. France was not yet at war with China (indeed, she never was officially, as neither side declared war in August 1884), yet French and Chinese troops were fighting each other. Some people talk about the Sino-French War
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You're right, it shouldn't have that licence. I think that was one of several images I uploaded that day, and it may have got tagged with that license through a process of copy-and-paste. I will ask the Find-a-Grave people if they don't mind releasing it into the public domain. If they do, I will
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You're quite right that the battle is not familiarly known, anywhere, anyway. I keep forgetting that, six years ago, I had never heard of it either. I hope when my book comes out it will be better known. I think it deserves to be, and I also think that de Negrier deserves a decent biography. But
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about the Zulu War; it'll be a bit like that). I don't intend to give too much away in the Wiki articles, but enough to generate interest in the S-F War. The one I did this morning, The Battle of Hoa Moc, is about my preferred length. The account of the 1st Brigade's march and the battle takes up
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Quite a few. For starters, Bac Ninh Campaign, Hung Hoa Campaign, Thai Nguyen Campaign, Bac Le Ambush, Lang Son Campaign, Jilong Campaign, Battle of Danshui, Blockade of Formosa ... I also intend to seriously edit the existing articles on Siege of Tuyen Quang and Battle of Zhennan. Then there will
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Yeah, the older colonial era books tend to use Annam a lot, although in more recent times, the main books about the colonial era like David Marr's books tend to not use Annam, except when discussing the explicit central third of Vietnam as a French protectorate. For Vietnamese names, they are always
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Knowledge article, but have then glossed it with its present Chinese name (Huo-hao-shan) and the Chinese characters. That seems to me to be the most sensible way of approaching this kind of problem. Any non-specialist reader who comes across a reference to the 1885 Pescadores campaign in a French
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I'm not aware of any authoritative accounts of the campaign in English. There's a brief account in Henry MacAleavy's awful book 'Black Flags over Vietnam', but MacAleavy is so unfair to the French that this book (written during the Vietnam War) is a travesty of historical writing. In fact, one of
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The Spanish presence alongside us was always motivated by the protection of the missionaries, though perhaps they too were thinking of material advantages. At around this time Admiral Charner wrote to Colonel Palanca, 'The Spanish are our allies, not our auxiliaries. But there can be no question
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I'm by no means an expert, and I'm heavily dependent on the accounts of the campaign given by Thomazi. Taboulet might have something on the subject, but I don't have him with me at present, so I'll have to get back to you on that. In the meantime, this is all that Thomazi has to say about Spanish
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Thanks for the sympathy and encouragement, guys. I'll hunt around for a suitable quotation from Henri Brisson, Admiral Galiber, General Boulanger or somebody equally eminent. Personally, I would have thought that General de Négrier's assessment was good enough, that Courbet had given hope back to
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quite thoroughly. In the meantime, I was wondering if you could help me with something. My brother and I are in the process of making our family tree, and it turns out that my great great grandfather was a Malek of an Assyrian village in the Shamezdin (Shemsdin) district. His name was Malek Breemu
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I firmly believe that Knowledge should not try to anticipate name changes but should follow the practice of the most authoritiative English-language sources. I don't know exactly how the policy of the world's leading atlases and encyclopedias is decided, but any decision to change a long-standing
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I'm very much learning as I go along for the Cochinchina campaign, which I have used only as brief background in my Sino-French War book. So far I have been using Thomazi's two books on the French conquest of Indochina, both written in the 1930s. I'm sure Taboulet also has a lot to say about the
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It appears that you are only wikilinking when the target article exists and will appear blue, because I see in your articles there are a lot of officers and military forts and places etc that are wikilinked and only blue and no redlinks. It's acutally encouraged for people to link to articles that
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Thanks very much for the kind words. I have dipped into the history of the article and I noticed that it had some good stuff in the early days that seemed to get lost a bit later. I'm shortly about to publish a book on the Sino-French War, so I've got masses of stuff at my fingertips. I started
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in Cochinchina and Cambodia Rule and Response (1859 - 1905)" by Milton Osborne which seems to be more about the general French rule. Some other books that I checked out recommended "The French Conquest of Cochinchina 1858-1862" which is a PhD thesis by Nguyen Thanh Thi at Cornell under some famous
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I'm principally interested in the period from the 'Hue Ambush' of July 1885 up to 1896, when the French could reasonably claim to have 'pacified' Tonkin. I got interested in what happened in Vietnam after the Sino-French War, as it has certain similarities to what has been happening in Iraq since
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Thanks very much. I'll get back to the Cochinchina campaign once I've finished putting infoboxes in all my Sino-French War articles. And I see we now have lots of valuable additional information on the Beiyang Fleet, so I can update my tables in that article. I'm rather enjoying this Knowledge
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Flying across the ocean. It should have arrived now. If you want me to scan the maps in higher resolution, do feel free. I did start cropping the scans to save time but it started becoming a real time sink. I hope this gives better coverage of the battling it out. It also gives great detail on Tu
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I'm going to do a similar table on the French ships at Fuzhou, with details of captains, crew, armament etc, so I can transfer the sketchy details on the French ships that appears at the top of the French photo gallery. The result will make the article look much neater, with two nice fact-filled
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I have just discovered the amazing amount of work that you have put into the Sino-French War related articles. I had started the Sino-French War article back in 2003 with a poor 2 line stub, hoping that someone would add material to it so that I could learn something in the process. Thank you and
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The more general book is by McLeod, which concentrates on the period from 1858-1874. That is more about politics and Tu Duc's tactics and is more about political strategy rather than military tactics. Nevertheless it has info about the Catholic minority and how the French and the Emperor tried to
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I've been thinking about how best to disentangle Tonkin from the Sino-French War. One possibility might be for the article 'Tonkin campaign' to cover the period April 1882 (Riviere's seizure of the citadel of Hanoi) to February 1886 (de Maussion's occupation of Lao Cai). 1886 is also a good end
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Regarding the historical usages, I believe there is a Knowledge policy or guideline that says to avoid anachronisms. I think they give an example of using "Gaul" rather than "France" when talking about events that happened there during the time of the Roman Empire. If that is the case it makes
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Even if the Knowledge community decides to rename the Pescadores Penghu, as I greatly fear it will, I would still wish to safeguard the term 'Pescadores Campaign' for the unpleasantness of March 1885. I hate seeing names in historical articles changed anachronistically. For example, the battle
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I almost said that maybe I should just defer to you and admit that you must know what you're talking about in regard to the Pescadores. But then I thought "No, the guys writing a book! He must have all kinds of reference materials lying around. It's not like asking him to cite references means
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I understand the rationale for redlinks, and will try to be more generous with them from now on. I haven't been so far because I personally think that red links to non-existent articles look ugly and spoil the readability of an article. But that's just my own aesthetic preference. More to the
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Randier is wrong about the declaration of war. On 22 August 1884 the French cabinet sanctioned an attack on the Foochow Navy Yard and the Fujian Fleet, but this was not a declaration of war. Technically, the attack was an action by France to assert her rights under an 'etat de represailles' (I
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On your other point, although there would be a degree of overlap with the Sino-French War, I would date 'Tonkin campaign' from 1883 (let's start with Bouet and the creation of the Tonkin expeditionary corps) to April 1886 (the official date for the end of the campaign, Tonkin being deemed to be
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Hi Djwilms. It's OK really, don't bother. Since such expressions as "restored the honour of French arms" can be considered as an abstract and arbitrary value judgement, the best solution would be to present it as some authors' opinion, with actual quotes and references (there must be plenty of
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I think I'm going to need to sort out my user page. It's getting a bit long. Of the books you mention, the one that immediately appeals is the paper on the Nguyen forts and navy. Having mistakenly assumed that some of the citadels in Tonkin were built by the French, I would be interested in
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Please don't defer to me on anything to do with the Pescadores Islands unless you think my arguments make sense! My only interest in the islands is historical, plus the fact that I visited them once, in the course of researching my book, to drop a tear on the memorials to the French dead of
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I have recently replied to your post in the discussion page of the Assyrian Genocide article, in which I refuted your opinion. However, looking back I do agree that the figures may be overestimated. Still, I think Cutts' population estimates should be taken with a grain of salt. There were
2351:, I'll have a look at it and see if I can usefully contribute anything. I'm an academic editor by trade so I might at least do some copy-editing, even though it's not a period I'm particularly familiar with. But I'm tied up at present on a series of articles on the French in Vietnam (the
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I have just looked at your 2003 stub. It's not at all poor: it combines the virtues of brevity and accuracy, which not all articles do. All my stuff starts out like that, also, though I normally try to add at least one footnote to prevent my articles getting tagged right from the start.
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3749:, i ask of you if you could tell me the name of good books about this subject. Also we are having a long dispute over whether Spain had an sphere of influence and whether they wanted to create a colony (along side the french) in Indochina, could you please help us resolve this dispute ?
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on Friday merely in my capacity as an enthusiastic amateur. The good thing is that it has forced me to work on editing that particular article in the past couple of days, as I've asked them all to read both the English and Chinese Wiki articles on the subject as background to my talk.
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Please read the "aftermath" section of the Sino-French war article. It states that France got "most of what it wanted". If you read the section, it should answer a few questions. Also, look at most of the battles and you will see China lost most of them and suffered heavier causalties.
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By the way, all my S-F War articles are default graded as Start Class or Stubs. I've asked for a review of the main article and a couple of other typical 'battle' articles, but my request doesn't seem to have attracted any attention yet. Do you know how to get these things reviewed?
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If EHT would like to email either Djwilms or myself, you can get a copy of "The French Conquest of Cochinchina" a book which deals with the campaign. More importantly, there are a lot of pages about the political buildup, including the alliance with Spain and the details thereof.
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of partitioning the territory of Saigon. Spain may find compensation for her glorious sacrifices elsewhere, in Tonkin. Such is the spirit of the instructions of the emperor Napoleon.' In fact Spain withdrew from the affair without cashing in on this somewhat imprecise promise.
2663:(Paris, 1887), which has over a hundred marvellous engravings of battle scenes, French generals, Vietnamese decapitations, etc, and a lot of the more pedestrian articles should blossom as a result. Anything you could do to upgrade Keelung and Bac Le would be greatly appreciated.
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article? It is one of the most viewed throughout the encyclopedia, and should be of excellent quality. In my dream world, I'd like to separate the article into multiple sections, with each editor taking a particular part to improve. I hope to see you at the article! Regards,
2077:, I can see that there's a lot there that I wasn't aware of. I'm perfectly happy to revise what I've written already, but I'd need to get myself up to speed on this stuff before I worked out how to do it. But if you feel strongly about it, by all means revise it yourself.
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I agree with you completely. I'd also like them to start translating the masses of Chinese stuff on the Sino-French War into English. I can read Chinese, but they would be able to do the job much more quickly than me. I'll put in a plug for Knowledge editing in my talk.
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all cite around < 300 and say that by the time Gia Long fully won in 1802, not many were left (only a few dozen) and by the time Gia Long died, only four were left. Chaigneau, de Forsans, Vannier and Despiau I think. Per the paper by Mantienne, which I cited in
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Incidentally, the picture of a French launch attacking a Chinese ship is ascribed in Wright's 'The Chinese Steam Navy' to the battle of Shipu, not Foochow. I think his ascription is correct, and have recaptioned it accordingly, but would welcome any confirmation.
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Hi Djwilms. Thank you for your message! I have contacted the deleter of these images, because it is quite unclear to me why they were deleted, and in any case no warning was issued, making it is quite impossible for the uploader to react and provide the necessary
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I have no problem in principle with adding military conflict boxes to my articles, though they can often be rather simplistic, particularly in terms of counting casualties. And what constitutes victory and defeat? To take just one example, check out my article
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The Sino-French War is conventionally dated from 23 August 1884 to April 1885, though I'm inclined to date it from the battle of Sontay (December 1883). Still, I've kept the conventional dating in my main article, so perhaps your map could also reflect this.
2073:, You're probably on much stronger ground than me here. I've read up on Gia Long and Minh Mang essentially as background for my interest in the Sino-French War, and I haven't gone into their reigns in great detail. Having just taken a glance at the article
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is still a work in progress, and I intend to add a lot more detail on the siege itself in the near future. The article presently contains a lot of extraneous material better suited to an article on the campaign as a whole, and I intend to create an article
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Me again. I notice you have given the date 18 February 1859 for the capture of Saigon, whereas Thomazi's account gives 17 February. I've provisionally emended to 17 February, but if you have a better source for 18 February I will be happy to reconsider.
3987:"politically-motivated use of Penghu when the islands are normally known in English as the Pescadores; (b) the politically-motivated replacement of Wade Giles by pinyin; and (c) your bizarre habit of not using capital letters for French, Chinese, etc."
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You should encourage your history students to start editing Knowledge. Asian history really is poorly covered on Knowledge, partly because of a dearth is people who have and can read Asian hisotry texts and the fact that htere is not much in English.
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because multiple people will come and discuss stylistic issues and such, rather than an assessment where they will just go to "B". It's also more interactive as a learning experience instead of sitting around reading policy documents and so forth.
2823:. They're really something! But do you mind if I take them out of the tables I made and arrange them instead in a gallery of photos (with ship names in both English and Chinese), so that it makes the table more easy to read? See my article
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really interesting because of its implications in terms of East-West interraction. Please don't hesitate to ask if you need my collaboration on anything. It is a pleasure to have people of your caliber contribute to this encyclopedia! Cheers
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the Guangxi Army had only 8,000 men, not 32,000. And Ky Lua seems to have got lost entirely in some accounts. The French defeat at Bang Bo elides into the Retreat from Lang Son, with no mention of this major French victory on 28 March ...
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Well, there was no tagging back in these days... Just out of curiosity: did you eventually get reviews and help in your research from posting these articles on Knowledge? In order to move to the next level, some of these articles could be
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starting in 1883, with the Son Tay campaign, but clearly August 1884 was felt to be the real start of the war at the time. I've tended to use the phrase 'the period of undeclared hostilities that preceded the S-F War' in my articles.
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but I only recently realized both were the same place. I regret this confusion because had I heard only one name twice as often, it would have clued me in to their importance and I would have made a point of learning more earlier.
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of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank
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A couple of good points. As far as Annam is concerned, I'm probably influenced by the nineteenth-century French sources I have been using for my book on the S-F War, which invariably refer to Vietnam as Annam and the Vietnamese as
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resistance movement from 1885 to 1896. That lot should keep me busy for a few weeks at least. But I'll have a look at the existing stuff on these two wars, and if I think I can help by reorganising some material I'll have a go.
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I'm sorry for the long post, but I am very eager to learn more about my family's history. We Assyrians have a very limited knowledge base when it comes to such matters. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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What a splendid template! Thanks very much. By the way, I'll be doing something on the attack on the Ki Hoa lines shortly. It may end up as a separate article, but for starters I'll probably place it in
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Hi there. I wouldn't mind, if readers thought they were worth it. Some of the articles need a bit more work but a few are just about finished. The ones I am proudest of at present are the main article
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in March 1885 the vultures gathered. I'm going to beef up the article 'Tonkin affair' to deal with the French politics of the Sino-French War. It's good back-stabbing stuff.
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That's much better. I saw that image some time ago and wasn't able to get any better resolution than you have. Solution: buy it!
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Hi Djwilms! Thank you for your message, and good luck with the article! Here is the template in question. Cheers
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