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3029:, thanks for your work on the recent WPMED newsletters! It's great to be able to keep up to date with what's going on. I'd like to keep releasing a quarterly newsletter for WPANATOMY as I think it's a good way to cover progress. I was wondering if, or how, we might integrate content from WPMED to WPANATOMY newsletter, or visa-versa? I guess one way would be to have everything (like the signpost) in subpages that come up every few editions, eg. an anatomy subpage of the newsletter ever 3 months, a translation subsection ever month, and so on. I thought I'd ask you first, as in my understanding you were the most recent editor, but as our discussion grows I may move it to the newsletter talk page so others can participate.-- 2458: 718: 2483: 440: 4397: 4099: 4694: 2900: 1722: 1211: 2415: 663: 2081: 1631:

internal links. Medical terms could be a little bit different with the article names existent. As nobody came to your "appel" before, I'm sceptic, but if you leave another message to village pump, I could try to translate it to appeal users to help out with those articles. As the material is a bit technical, I hope we could find some volunteers. No need to transfer the old content to talk page as they are already available in history. --

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the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not

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are adding back. And that second discussion has absolutely zero support for the text. Because, as I said, it is dire. You could redeem yourself by reverting your own mistake. And even if the text you were edit warring over was being discussed by the RFC, the RFC is not closed and we never presume the

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Can I just draw you attention though to when you add a merge tag - it is incomplete (just seen the proposed thyroid cartilage) - it doesn't generate any link to a talk page for discussion, and there is no reason given for the proposal. Its simple to do this if you enable Twinkle and use the tagging

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Translations are of both full articles and shorter articles continues. The process where short articles are chosen for translation hasn't been fully transparent. In the coming months we hope to have a first guide, so that anyone who writes medical or health articles knows how to get their articles to

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Hi! Did you check whether the merge was performed or not? It is. It really is. It is so merged, it can't be merged any more than that. Could you please tell us why on earth you would want to discuss whether a merge should be performed that was already performed? You must have missed out on something

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Hi CFCF - had a look at your merge proposal for puborectalis muscle and thought that a better move would be to merge all three levator ani muscles to Levator ani. So I have put merge tags on the others but existing tag prevents merge tag on puborectalis muscle. Also there is no place to discuss your

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Hi, I've previously informed the community, and will do so again shortly, but the old articles were very short and lacked sources. The alternatives are to replace the old article and take the translation only, or to merge them. It is simple to move the old articles to the talk-page if you think that

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thank you for the message about multiple sclerosis article integration on Croatian Knowledge. Yes, I already have the Croatian translation of the en.wiki article saved on my PC, but I'm trying to figure out how to merge the two articles. The Croatian article is already well done, but the translation

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Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Knowledge has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not

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the way to move an article! Finally, you have moved categories out of procedure, which means that project tags didn't follow. All this needs to be corrected, but to avoid necessary double work, we first need to establish if the consensus says that the article should be under Scania or Skåne. I have

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Do you realise that the text you are edit warring to include is not actually the subject of the RFC that you unhelpfully voted in and rashly thought had reached a consensus? You see that text is just adding more dire prose to the existing Mechanism section; it isn't the entire section. That text is

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There is no consensus. You can perform the other reverts in your head - it's insane to not call it a revert war. Reverting while someone is trying to create a discussion (let's call it that, I mean look at the opening text) is not the decent thing to do, it is disruptive, and people aren't going to

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I'd be happy to merge all three articles. While the pubococcygeus and ileococcygeus are traditionally separated (the puborectalis being more of a subdivision to pubococcygeus), they are the same muscle, and it wouldn't be hard to cover all three parts in one article. I think it's far more important

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What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use

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accessible. The majority of our readers are lay readers and will not be fluent in terminology. Anatomy is a thoroughly interesting discipline, but it shouldn't be 'locked away' only to those who are fluent in the lingo – exploring anatomy should not be limited by education, technical-level English

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Integration is the next step after any translation. Despite this it is by no means trivial, and it comes with its own hardships and challenges. Previously each new integrator has needed to dive into the fray with little help from previous integrations. Therefore we are creating guides for specific

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is an essential component to all our articles. It is necessary to describe structures accurately and without ambiguity. It can also be extremely confusing and, let's face it, it's likely you too were confused too before you knew what was going on ("It's all Greek to me!" you may have said, fairly

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At Wikimania there were so many enthusiastic people jumping at the chance to help out the Medical Translation Project, but unfortunately not all of them knew how to get started. That is why we've been spending considerable time writing and improving guides! They are finally live, and you can find

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Hi CFCF, thanks for performing this merge. 'Chest' is a popular article (over 7,000 views/month) and I think it might be worth opening the merge to discussion rather than performing it instantly. I support your merge, but I think it is better if other users are allowed to comment on some of the

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Yes, I am very much aware, as I performed the merge. In lieu of discussion prior to the merge it has popped up afterwards, and it seems there is consensus that it was performed properly (as far as I can tell). It would seem inappropriate to close the discussion and display "no consensus" on the

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Well, I vaguely remember having a message about this on our village pump. I don't feel very comfortable having to suppress the old content but it is a good-sized job to merge them with the existent content. The translation seems "almost" ok, but I think the translators didn't really look up the

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is rather arrogant, assuming we did ask for a duplicate article despite all the conversations and promises made earlier I now see. Now matters become clear to me. Sorry for sounding irritated but please respect our community and do not place duplicate article on nl-wiki without any explanation.

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Dutch translation carries with it special difficulties, in part due to the premises in which the Dutch Knowledge is built upon. There is great respect for what previous editors have created, and deleting or replacing old content can be frowned upon. In spite of this there are success stories:

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I won't insult you with an edit war template. But that is what you are doing. The RFC is not closed. The person who opened it, James, removed that text because he addmited he had no consensus to add it. Quite why you think you should edit war to put it back, is beyond me. And if you read my

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participant! This is the third quarterly update, documenting what's going on in WikiProkect Anatomy, news, current projects and other items of interest. I'd greatly value feedback on this, and if you think I've missed something, or don't wish to receive this again, please leave a note

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and decide on a general guideline for how large/important features need to be to justify their own articles, and on how we want to display TA/FMA numbers when a page covers several features. It is completely unreasonable that there are so many articles on bone/organ features such as

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are a simple and effective way to direct readers to another article. Don't provide long lists of synonyms of names for structures that an article isn't about. If a sentence has been paraphrased to the hilt, consider that several editors are indicating it may need to be simplified.

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That is definitely a possibility, but it would require the conjoined efforts of multiple editors. I'm not able to take it on fully myself, just due to time constraints. I'll add what I find interesting, but I don't have time to write more than the translation part regularly. --

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for that editor. You may desire to comment on that. On my part, I regret that we are having trouble establishing a collaborative atmosphere for using the best reliable secondary sources for updating that article and other articles on related topics, which are very important. --

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in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. Take a look at the

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Nerves may arise from plexuses, but that does not mean the plexus follow the nerve, you don't say the brachial plexus is present in the hand just because it has branches there. You're going to need to read up on basic anatomy if you wish to contribute. --

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James removed this section as he had no consensus for inclusion. Your vote "I don't understand" adds nothing useful to the discussion and does not change the utter lack of consensus for its inclusion. We don't vote on Knowledge for a good reason. --

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It feels as if most of what needs saying has been said, but thanks for informing me of the discussion. I haven't really had the time to put myself into the article as much as I would like. There are so many things that could use improvement. --

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On Aug 28, 2014, you merged the content of human heart into heart without much discussion. While the resulting article is great, I think it should be under human heart in order to make room for a general animal anatomy article under the title

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Thanks a lot, I'm pretty stumped with work atm, but I have a rough draft, and a number of things left before I go live with it. I didn't remember the link to the construction tab, and when I went to look it up I forgot to about adding it. --

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Offers does announcements about mostly new projects, on the page. I moved your message to attention page. Because news, announcements are made that . I think you are worried to see that deleted. I also thank you for the announcement.

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Hello, I don't know if you're aware of it but you are adding content to some articles in Turkish wikipedia without integrating them to already existing material. Articles are now in a mess. Will you do something to correct it?

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I understand, and how can I add sources? And I don't understand the innervation and course thing, though… a sensory nerve goes to an organ to innervate it, right? And the course is when it travels from a place to another, uh?

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Thank you, very good to hear someone has found and is using them! There will be more coming in January, and hopefully I will be able to streamline the editing process, it takes a while to crop and cut each image as it is. --

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I have quite extensive access through my library, but unfortunately not through Highbeam, even though it might seem like it. Thanks for the tip though, I might get some other topicons showing what access I have instead. --

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We fly past 10,000 articles (now already up to 10,150). Why is this important? Articles under our scope are automatically included in popular pages, the cleanup list, and will be included as the recent changes list is

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Yep, it's a bit much for you to do all as one person. What I may do is release the anatomy quarterly about a week before the end of a quarter. That way you'll have enough time to may a decision what to do with it.

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We are looking for subject area leads to both create articles and recruit further editors. We need people with basic medical knowledge who are willing to help out. This includes to write, translate and especially

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First of all you need to differentiate between innervation and course, which aren't necessarily related. Secondly, we can't reference Knowledge articles, but need to reference proper medical sources: see

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Yes you may. That would be excellent. All content was originally written on English Knowledge under a CC BY SA license. All content that results post translation is also under a CC BY SA license.

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Hi, I logged in to TWB and saw some articles translated for more than 4 months (Status "completed"). Can I myself merge them into the Czech Knowledge articles? Is licensing OK in that case? --

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The Arabic Knowledge community has been informed of the efforts to integrate content through both the general talk-page as well as through one of the major Arabic Knowledge facebook-groups:

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I'm not sure they're completed, but they are supposed to be accessible through some power-user commands. I'm not so sure about much else, but you can see the team developing them here

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Yes, while in essence correct it isn't that simple, and is further complicated by the fact that these are plexa, not nerves. I would really recommend Marieb's book, or the CNX A&P

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Please be sure to provide a summary of every edit you make, even if you write only the briefest of summaries. The summaries are very helpful to people browsing an article's history.

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For these reasons as described above, I officially request to stop any further translation attempts on Romanian Knowledge. Thank you very much for understanding. Kind regards,

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Hi CFCF - just to say that I put a reconstruction tag on Heart article per your comment. If this is not wanted please just remove - thanks. And well done for cranial nerves!

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Wonderful, thanks a bunch. It's been out a while, I think we will commission a bot in the future to inform of finished translations immediately when they are done. --

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I have added a short note to the Pulse newsletter about the number of anatomy articles passing 10,000, a major milestone which I think is well-worth mentioning. --

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from June 19th, a Romanian medical article should primarily reflect the situation in Romania, especially regarding the treatment and prevention of the disease.

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We don't accept such edits from non-Knowledge people, as they are not used to ro.wikipedia and also with the way a Romanian medical article should look like.

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least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Knowledge does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article.

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Please simply acknowledge English Knowledge and the translators in question in the edit summary. Let me know if you need any help with these steps.

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It's even more complicated because hypogastric isn't the preferred modern terminology, and all those articles should be deleted or moved/merged. --

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The passwords etc. can be found here. We've restructured the page slightly, and they might not have been so easy to find. I'll fix this. Thanks, --

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from Rubric who's joined us here at Knowledge. We're very happy for our continued collaboration with both Rubric and Translators without Borders!

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discussion of the text, you might appreciate how shite it is. But, you know, if you want to be blocked for reinserting shite, be my guest. --

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Oh, thanks for reverting it. I was a tad lazy and only looked at the lowest date tags, and there it hadn't been commented since the 31st. --

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which you created but not worked well at that time, are now perfectly working. I suppose some size-restriction settings would be changed. --

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to our Village pump. At the same page you can ask some volunteers as well. Hope that there will be some willing. Keep up the good work. --

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That would be great, just remember to ping me on the pt.wikipedia so that I can see the discussion (I have e-mail alerts so if you just

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that our articles give a broad overview than that each feature has an article. Not to mention that the articles are rediculously short.

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Hey, I notice that you have HighBeam access and you seem to have a few topicons. That being said, if you are interested, I've created

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Hi! Just leaving a message to let you know that I find your resources section a great initiative. Keep up the great work! Cheers, --

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In the opinion of this editor, it's very important that we try hard to describe anatomy in a way that is both technically accurate

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I already found several mistakes in the translation made by the TWB, regarding the reverted edit mentioned at the beginning.

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As for citing I normally use the citation gadget, or even better ProveIt gadget (can be turned on under preferences). --

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article it says that its primary nerve is the inferior hypogastric plexus. I don't know whether it's a mistake or not.

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is even better. I will try to work on this in the weekend, when I have more free time. Once done, I will update the

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I don't know who these people from the Romanian TWB are, but they clearly have no medical knowledge whatsoever.

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Hi, thanks for the offer. Sure, I will be happy to take the role of leading integrator in Arabic Knowledge.--

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You have reverted Safety of electronic cigarettes 3 times already. One more revert will break the 3RR rule.

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We don't agree to replace any existing and cited text, especially with a one translated by the TWB.

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outcome while it is being discussed. So, even if you weren't making a mistake, you'd be wrong. --

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All the previous translation attempts made by the TWB are/were of low to middle quality (at best).

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is announcing signups today for, free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our

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is announcing signups today for, free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our

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proposed merge on either talk page. So have put it to you here. Would appreciate your thoughts.

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Knowledge feedback cycle can get going these days. HorsePunchKid 18:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Why did you remove this without saying anything? I wasn't informed on my talk page or anything?

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Not voting is not the same as having the loudest, most enduring, rambling voice win either. --

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and it is now live in more than 60 different languages! To help us focus on African languages

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Wikiproject Medicine started translating simplified articles in February 2014. We now have 45

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being discussed in "Propose added to mechanisms the following" which is a section created by

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that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. It is as follows:

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Also I actually increased the archiving to 7 days now that discussion is a bit slower. --

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larger mergers first, even if they are pretty straightforward. I hope that you're well, --

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promised to contact me and plan possible workshops for the translators. Please do! :) --

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Here are four ways that we can help improve the readability of our anatomical articles.

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You could have asked for my help to verify the translation and try to integrate it, not

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has all kinds of problems, irrespective if I agree with the name you have chosen using

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Doctors and translators are working together to bridge Knowledge's medical language gap

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a standard where they can be translated! That's why we're currently working on medical

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Browse images on WikiCommons to improve the quality of images we use on many articles.

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article! The reason why I contact you is because you removed the prostate, but on the

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