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authorised by the arbitration committee to consider discretionary sanctions (since the disruption is within the AP2 topic). It is on that basis that, having concluded that there was neither consensus to unblock nor to site ban, I still felt I had to consider whether the outcome of the discussion adequately protected the project. I thought it did, but clearly some disagree and I'm not going to claim to be Right on that point, only to have my opinion.
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one hand that I should have "discerned" a consensus, either to site ban or to unblock, where in fact I can see none (and the subsequent site-ban discussion I think is showing that I was right about that) because we need a decision that puts the whole thing to rest, and on the other that I should just be summarising the consensus as I see it without considering whether the close adequately protects the project.
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justified at this point. Tnguyen4321, I think the best option would be for you to voluntarily keep away from the subject of that battle completely, on all pages, with a reinstatement of the block if you violate your agreement. If you don't accept that, the alternative would be to seek a community ban, so I think it would look better for you if you did accept it voluntarily.
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of consensus there. I haven't discussed the interaction with DS above because that factored into my reading of consensus, but because, having formed my view of the consensus, I felt I also had to ask myself, "Should I be using DS to do anything else in this situation?" I thought the answer was "no", so I didn't.
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I don't really want to argue the point in a public venue, but "the job of a closer is not to evaluate whether a solution is adequate" seems a bit rich from someone who reverted that close because it "does not provide that decision" - ie. you think the solution is inadequate. You seem to argue on the
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Could you please consider asking for a global lock to INeverCry and their sock accounts / IPs? They have been so deceitful that there is no reason to assume that this user can be trusted not to create a new account on another project and edit from there. They know how to game the system, they were
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Yes, that RfA came very close to presenting a potentially disastrous outcome! I can understand if you're feeling a bit aggrieved at the moment, and I really do think it would be best for you not take further part in that AN discussion right now. And I do honestly think that continuing the 2-way IBAN,
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The options are unblock or don't unblock. If there's a consensus to retain the block then there's an implicit community ban (which is defined by the community saying they should not be unblocked, and lasts until a later community decision says to unblock) and if there isn't then there isn't. I think
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I'd certainly agree that a closer shouldn't IAR to impose a close contrary to consensus; I meant that the point of policy is one which should in this case be ignored. And I still can only see three options here: Either we find "no consensus to unblock" and unblock anyway; or we find "no consensus
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Yes, as I've said elsewhere, the panel seems a good idea to me and if I'd spotted that there was one forming then I'd have left it alone. I didn't close that discussion as (essentially) "no consensus to site ban and no consensus to unblock" because I thought that's what was best; it was my reading
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That previous decline was on 11 Aug, the same day INeverCry was blocked here. Since then, all I've seen here is that unblock request, and I doubt that would be seen as an escalation of cross-wiki abuse. Personally, I think he should indeed get a global lock, but the indef-able abuse really seems to
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And no I am not a part of some "organized disruption". All the examples you gave were made by clearly puppet accounts with almost no previous contributions, while I have a list of wikipedia contributions going back years. Seriously, use your head; if I want to start socking, I make fake accounts, I
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That's not at all the same as saying I personally disagree with the community's decison and I did not revert your close because of that - I reverted because I thought a better job of analysing the community decision could be done (and I knew others were putting together a panel to do it). Also, as
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THIS is why I'm stressed. Because if I try to report something, no matter what I do - no matter how hard I try to follow wikipedia's crappy and contradictory policies and the instructions given by people like MelanieN - I get attacked for it while the abusers who are just following me page to page
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It may be that there's no consensus after all other than for a topic ban, but given the massive time already spent on it I think we should see if those currently working on it can extract anything - the alternative seems to me that we'll be right back at the same position very quickly. But either
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make legitimate contributions to the page instead of "unconstructive...vandalism"? (and I saw you kept them while removing the "autograph nonsense".) And regarding the "autograph nonsense": no I did not happen to make exactly the same addition purely by coincidence, because I copied and pasted it
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Thanks for the clarification. Although I think it's kind of harsh, I have no problem of accepting it. That said, I have to add that I am under the impression that you think my participation and contribution to the subject cause more harm than good to Knowledge to impose such a drastic restriction
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for itself - just evaluate what there is and what there is not a consensus for. If the consensus does not produce an effective solution, it might indeed be that further judgment is needed later, but the consensus closure itself is not the place for that - judging consensus is one of the areas in
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I felt your close was actually faulty for a number of reasons, of which I only explicated one - I also knew others were planning to work on a close. If you were not able to discern a consensus, I thought it better to let someone else try and see if they could - after all, Mrjulesd had previously
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by email at the time, who should probably be consulted before that daunting task is taken on. I did wonder if a community discussion to seek wider consensus would be a good move first, and I still think it would be (though I expect it would not be without drama - I can understand someone getting
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Hello Boing! It seems that semi-protection is unfortunately not enough. These meat or sock puppets appear to create a bunch of accounts, sometimes months in advance, waiting until they're autoconfirmed to finally make the same edits here again... Evidence of puppetry being that edits on other
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I don't know if this is helpful or not, but I'll say it anyways. I don't think the options here need to be limited to "unblock" or "site ban". I know that the policy says this is a de-facto, and thus per WP's governance, a de-jure site ban, but I also know that IAR is a policy page. I think the
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Thanks for your response. I know my close seemed contradictory when you take into account the relevant policy, yet that's how I read the consensus and I think the way the discussion has developed since then bears that out. If we're going to abide by that policy in this situation then the only
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Goats are good, yes. I was approached by a fine specimen once in Macau (a genuinely superb looking beast - I could believe it was a show specimen), which seemed to want to share my lunch. I gave it some, which it readily ate, and then it sneezed on me - goat snot is very sticky and very smelly.
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Both editors were well over 3RR, and so I've blocked them both for 24 hours. Under other circumstances I may have considered protection, but Anmcaff has had a previous edit-warring block and was at at least 5 reverts, while the IP received and removed a warning and then proceeded to revert some
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I didn't really want to spell this out at AN as I felt it would lead to a whole new can of worms, but it happens that in this particular case, I disagree with you anyway, because any admin closing that discussion is inevitably wearing two hats - one as the closer of the discussion, and another
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Oh, there's nothing to apologise for. There's really no right and wrong and it's very much open to individual interpretation - and in many cases, hatting parts of discussions like that can make sense. It's just that in this particular case, I can't help thinking that anything that looks like
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My intention was that Tnguyen4321 should keep away from the article completely, including the talk page, and don't discuss it anywhere - and go find something else to do that is unconnected with that subject. But I worded it badly, and because of that I don't think any sanction or warning is
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I appreciate your change in heart, but had your opinion carried the day, I'd be indef'd by a newly minted Admin long ago. I've strickly followed the restrictions and the result is tighter restrictions on me, and a batch of MfDs closed against me today because of continued harassment.
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to site ban" and site ban anyway; or we ignore the policy that says the only options are an unblock or a site ban (assuming the character of the discussion doesn't dramatically change between now and whenever this is finally closed). Can you see some option that I'm missing?
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upset if a lot of their work is removed). But after all that, I'm not sure I want to take part in it myself - there have been changes for me here, I'm taking a temporary break from adminiship, and I'm not sure how much enthusiasm I'm going to have for Knowledge from now on.
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As long as he doesn't resume his genealogical work, we should be OK - and he certainly won't get a concensus for his notions. But, of course, there's still the huge amount he's already done that will need to be dealt with - do let me know when you've sorted it all out ;-)
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possible outcomes are obtuse - either that a discussion with no consensus to unblock results in an unblock or that a discussion with no consensus to site ban results in a site ban. Doesn't that make this a situation in which we should ignore that particular rule?
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With that close placing me on notice, I fully expect to be indef'd in due course with no discussion by some trigger happy admin over some imagined violation. I should just quit Knowledge now and save the drama. I've requested the close be amended. Will see.
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provides a good further explanation (it's only an essay, but I think it captures the essence of the policy quite well). Opining on the adequacy of the consensus rather than simply determining the facts of the consensus would be adding the closer's personal
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I really think the site ban thing is a red herring and can be forgotten, with no need to mention it in any close - a decline to unblock just means a future unblock will need community consensus, and that's all that is meant by a community ban (as per
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As I say, whether there actually is a consensus (and what it says) is under dispute, and in such cases (especially lengthy and emotive ones), a panel of closers is a common approach (and, I think, a good one). But that panel must not judge the best
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I remain unmoved from my position that all the closers need to determine is whether there is a consensus to unblock and whether there is a consensus for a topic ban. Answer those, and all other currently relevant questions are answered too.
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I'm unavailable for an indeterminate time, so please ask someone else if you need any help - as always, any admin is welcome to revert or modify any admin action of mine according to their own judgment without needing to check with me.
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It's OK, I have your talk page watched. And there actually is a notification system (though an automatic one would indeed be nice) - just add {{ping|Boing! said Zebedee}} at the time you sign your comment and I'll get a notification.
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Zebedee had a red face and large upturned moustache, was dressed in a yellow jacket ... In most episodes he appeared, usually summoned by Florence, with a loud "boing" sound, and he usually closed the show with the phrase "Time for
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I'm unavailable for a little while, so please ask someone else if you need any help - as always, any admin is welcome to revert or modify any admin action of mine according to their own judgment without needing to check with me.
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The amount of personal commentary we allow unrelated to content (or in this case to the appeal) is frustrating. I read the guidelines on "hatting" before I did it but if your revert means I didn't follow them then I apologize.
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seems quite clear - the closer's balance of policy-based arguments made in the discussion is what is needed, and not the closer's opinion on whether a consensus-based decision is an adequate resonse to the issue itself.
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I'm the only one who seems to find these socks now (esp since Bbb23 is on vacay), and I get tired of linking them at every sock's page, so I put in the template at the master's page and noted it at the last SPI. cheers.
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having the drafts creation protected might be a good thing, since they're very good honeypots, and how I spotted the latest couple of attempts to recreate the articles (by seeing them pop up in my watchlist...). Cheers
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If the majority choose to ignore (or misinterpret, or twist) policy in their !voting, that must stand then? In that case, who needs uninvolved closers, let alone admin closers? Pretty much anybody can count !votes.
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Sorry to see your retirement, but after a quick look (admittedly not in depth, because I do have a life of my own to lead and I am genuinely busy with personal things), I really don't see MelanieN attacking you.
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Sorry to hear it's not going well. I'm afraid I don't have the time to investigate this current problem, as I'm busy this evening and I'll be away all day tomorrow - but I've always found MelanieN to be fair.
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As an additional thought, I suppose it would be harmless to add "There is no consensus for a site ban", which would leave an effective CBAN there anyway but not explicit and nothing in addition to that.
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Ha! Well, if mine is being spoiled then I see no reason why I shouldn't spread it around a little. I've got doubts about that thread going anywhere, tbh, because the NOR board looks to be very quiet. -
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I'm not blaming you of course, but I feel run over and despised because of all these restrictions. Various editors say an indef is in order, but the responses to a suggested indef are just
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I understand their reasoning, but it still seems to me an outcome that will just cause more drama. Not that my efforts worked out any better, so maybe other heads are wiser than mine.
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I did think of that, and I'm always torn - whether to try maximum denial in the hope they'll go away, or just keep catching them? As you're happy watching the drafts, I've unprotected.
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One possible strategy is to leave the article as it is and then block them on sight - I've blocked the most recent two, and might start an SPI to ask a Checkuser to look for sleepers.
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Closers are supposed to evaluate with respect to policy, yes, and I didn't say otherwise. Closers are not allowed to decide whether a community consensus is for an adequate solution.
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You are in an impish mood ;) I thought it best to wait until they came off their block but I wasn't expecting them to go back to their old arguments. This could be messy. -
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The community says you are not allowed to edit anywhere on Knowledge without a future community consensus, but you're not banned so in the meantime you will be able to...
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preventing people from saying what they want might not be such a good idea. Just a difference of opinion between us, that's all (and others might well disagree with me).
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I note Iridescent's modification, and his comments at his and Godsy's talk pages. If you just carry on as you're doing, there's no way you should be at risk of a block.
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standard offer should certainly be considered as a solution that both reflects the fact that the community clearly doesn't want to unblock, but also that the community
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Lesson learned. MelanieN is looking for an excuse to attack me, you asked me to stay but you're "too busy" to look. It's clear I won't get fair treatment from anyone.
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others have suggested, your close was contradictory - the community does not support unblock, but an admin can unblock if they wish, appears contrary to policy to me.
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I realise that seems quite hostile and I don't quite mean it like that so please don't take it that way. I would value your thoughts on what I've written, though.
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I was not aware of the existence of a bloody wiki editing war (seriously look at that page who would even bother having an editing war there? About an autograph?)
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have been on Commons and they don't seem prepared to lock for just that. Should we get any more socking here, or other abuse, I think that would change things.
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Oh, I do understand. But with this latest episode, I do think the moral high ground has shifted. And I think this is a "last chance" before an indef.
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Ah, sorry - it's late and I'm getting tired here ;-) But I did actually think better of the "bridge" thing after I wrote it, as it was unnecessary.
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One block log entry is the extension of an existing block from one to two weeks, which I considered just one block - perhaps that's the difference?
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Turns out it was created by a sock of the same editor who created the first version. I think it's been improved by others, might pass AfD now.
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were battles, - I don't believe it. (Even if so, 2 in a year would be bearable.) The closest thing to a war scene is mentioned in my RfA q. --
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Thank you for "take the high ground and be the first person to stop talking about it". That might be a recipe for the infobox-wars also.
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Even if we don't, regularly seeing updates on my watchlist about the creation of coherent catastrophe, has lightened several of my days.
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Hmm, you know how to spoil a chap's evening, don't you? ;-) Actually, I see no need for me to reply there, but I'll keep an eye on it.
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and suggesting me to propose it for deletion. thank you for your advice. I will try to learn from it and proceed with care in future.
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Hi. I'm really sorry, but I'm dealing with real-life emergency things right now - and I don't know when I'll have time for Knowledge.
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articles are few, when editing here it's always to remove the same information, usually with the same source and edit summary... —
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more...I've other things to do now, so if you take issue with any of this please feel free to modify things without asking me.
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First, is there a noticeboard for edit-warring IPs? There's one edit warring quite a bit (at least two past 3RR right now) at
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Hi, this is just in case you didn't see my reply on my own talk page (Knowledge really needs a talk reply notification system)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:MelanieN#https:.2F.2Fen.wikipedia.org.2Fwiki.2FUser_talk:Seraphim_System.23Reverts_under_DS
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I saw in the logs that you were just resysopped. It's good to see you back, and I hope things are going well for you :-)
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Ah, I declined it that way because I couldn't find the ban - I didn't realise it was linked from the sockmaster's page.
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and miscellaneous harassment, including getting attacked for even trying to get stuff written up the right way.
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My understanding is I am prohibited to edit the article page not the talk page. Let me know if I misunderstood.
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Just spotted this in my archive, and I knew I'd forgotten something here - busy weekend, so I'll look soon.
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to the English Knowledge. This will notify users when there are suspicious login attempts on their account.
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I think you misunderstood. I meant the indeffed editor's actions! I agree fully with the "troll" comment.
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is actually a community site ban, I've linked the ban on the SPI and the master's user page. The account
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Hi, yes, I'm away from my admin account for a couple of weeks too, so I'm not able to see deleted pages.
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get off scot fucking free. I took your advice to reconsider quitting and look what it's gotten me: more
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Jesus, I've had my run-ins with Knowledge admins, but you're the fastest replying one I've ever seen.(
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Various relevant pages happened to be on my watchlist, and the way things were unfolding was getting
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thought he could discern a consensus but his close was overturned purely because he is not an admin.
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Got it, thanks, and just replied - weekend went on longer than expected and only just back online.
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I hope everything is well. Enjoy your break and if you happen to be coming this way, let me knowi.
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I hope everything is well. Enjoy your break and if you happen to be coming this way, let me knowi.
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Heh. I think you're probably right- cheers! -still, that's why you're on the salary you are :) —
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I'm not sure if you will remember this but some months ago you asked to be notified if I did
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Seconded! And now that you're back I have a list of about 200 editors I want you to block,
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Happy to help - it was just a technical thing about the applicability of A7, that's all.
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Finally, on to "the job of a closer is not to evaluate whether a solution is adequate".
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that they were a sock. Just in case the history wasn't easy for you to see :) cheers. —
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No problem, I'll go pester someone else. Good luck and well-wishes with the emergency.
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Hi Boing, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated!
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Actually, as he's posting links on other biog talk pages, I might add a few words.
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Boing, I hate to be a pain in the ass, but could I ask you again to take a look at
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I wasn't aware that Anmcaff had gone over, but I still appreciate the looking out!
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Bishonen has explained it well enough in closing that latest "Site ban?" section.
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close to some of the How-Dare-You-Question-My-Authority crap I've seen too often.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Nah, there's nothing crats do that I'd want to do - but thanks for the thought.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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completely. They agreed to that and were unblocked. Since being unblocked, the
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Thank you for giving advice to propose for deletion instead of Speedy deletion
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Glad you liked it - I should tell you some of my toilet stories some time :)
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Thanks for cleaning up. I wasn't sure if I should have blanked that myself.
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Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful.
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Just so you know, DynamoDegsy has replied to your comment of 10 August at
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Second, do you think you could take a look at the behavioral evidence at
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If we get a worthwhile article out of it, I guess that's a success :-)
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Do you see a significant difference between this and the deleted page?
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Sorry, missed your post saying you were away, I've taken it to AfD.
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Where exactly did your name come from? I'm quite curious to know.
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by using a unique password for Knowledge, and consider enabling
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thank you for removing the speedy deletion request on
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