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policy-based issue, but it's still a content dispute and is not vandalism or (I believe) being intentionally disruptive, so I was hoping that making the other person see it's not just me against him/her would help. If this was a high profile article, I think (unless I'm really missing the point here) that other editors would be agreeing with me in discussion and reverting the other editor. Of course I could be wrong and am happy to see alternative opinions, but at the moment it's just an edit war that's going nowhere because no one else is watching. --
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cover all your community expenses plus up to about $ 300 per month. Some members may also be eligible for profit sharing at the end of the year." from the official GANAS website. I have removed this. As far as I can tell, the other bit I noticed has been fixed. I can't speak for the rest of the article as it stands, and to be honest, I am disinclined to have anything to do with it (which you may understand if you read the talkpage :) ) All I can say is that I am not
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same pabulum that we are force-fed on the radio. We are extremely selective about who we bring onto the review panel - it's a rather elite group. Other
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need to follow policies here. I'm concerned that 'jumping on the bandwagon' might lead to something of a siege mentality, but I'm happy to chime in if you still want. I can see where (s)he's coming from but it's not really reconcilable with the function of wikipedia. Drop me a line if you like. Regards,
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Thankyou both for the vote of confidence! :) I would definitely be interested in this. I do like to flit arond the project a bit, but this is an area that I'd like to help out in more. I just had a look at the "advice for clerks" and that's already a very useful page. So yes, please do put my name up
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Hi thanks for the reply. derivativeFX seected it for me, and the only other option seemed to be Cc-by-sa-3.0, and I didn't think that would be right. I find derivativeFX very handy to use, so I guess the answer is to just continue as usual and then manually replace the license part afterwards. Thanks
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Are all of our writers "professional music reviewers"? Honestly, no... but we are made up of people who are passionate about music, to the point that every single one of us - myself included - donates our efforts in the name of educating people about music of all kinds that is out there, not just the
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page. Before, it looked like someone was reviewing it, so other people might have been put off starting a review, thinking it was already happening. That's why the page would have been deleted and that's why I removed the "onreview" note. Someone will review it, it just might take a bit of time as
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would pitch in). Basically, CP clerks assess listings at the CP board, as they do at SCV (with slightly different codes). You're already very experienced in that kind of thing. Since I'm working and not able to pitch in during the week and since the only other admin who really works at CP at the
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of "President of Ghana" and "Presidents of Ghana"? Is there a difference? Should there be? As a reader, I would be very confused by the two titles and have no idea what information to expect at which. I really think it would be better to keep to one article of that sort, and one
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or available under a compatible license, it will be deleted. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. You may use such publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. See our
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Right ok thanks! lol. What do u mean maintenance tags? Like the "vague" one? I carried out SO many searches looking for the list of 11 countries where it got banned, but nowhere online has given a list, just that it was 11 countries, so I don't know what to do about that.
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I just saw all those African portals you've made, I like them a lot, and since portals are a part of the wiki I've never got into yet you've given me some ideas. As a token of gratitude please accept a handfull of balloons
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