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I dunno, I'm not opposed to ditching the idea of including it on the Music template -- in other words, reverting the main template to how it was a few weeks ago. In fact, that's what I vote. I have a mind to insert the new, separate "by country" template on a couple of articles myself, just to get it
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My opinion is that's pretty cool. The only thing I don't like is the word "topics" added to the template title. My reasons are: (1) It looks ugly to have one word linked in a title and the other not; (2) This isn't really a list of music topics, and the template leaves out most of the actual
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Great, thanks very much for doing all of that. I guess you can make it live, or add the subtemplate like that to the live Music template, at will, unless there is objection to that.
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