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please don't do the fonts - there also isn't any connection between the font and the artist. The colours are alright as the artist apparently has a connection to them - and the colours are not awful (if the template was bright red with yellow borders, my opinion would differ). Knowledge uses several shades of blue for stylistic purposes (project namespace background, links, visited links, page background, some templates), so this one should be alright. --
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Based on these suggestions: how's this for the color scheme? Use the default for the header. For the template space itself, I wouldn't oppose using colors, but they should preferably be some lightened version of #CCF (like #EEF) or light shades of grey to stay neutral. This way, the template would
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I am probably not a good judge of how it looks -- style is not my strong area, but other than being a bit dark, it looks ok. But if there is a dispute, I would recommend using wikipedia standards rather than individual standards. This gives wikipedia a more unified look and avoids the "explosion in
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I've changed the template so that the heading is the default #CCF for easy readability (and the font color to black to default so it's readable) and the template space itself to alternating default background and #EEE to illustrate what I mean. Feel free to revert if you don't find this acceptable,
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recommends against anything else unless Mayer has some special connection to #008686. Album and EPs should be italicized, and singles need to be in quotation marks. The articles about his record labels provide little to no information about Mayer, so there's no reason to include them, and external
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deems it a bit dark, but ok, but considers that in case of dispute, fall back on the standard colourings and wants to avoid having WP look like an overly colourised environment. To this comment, I do agree heartily and believe that colour is a subjective matter. My intention when designing this was
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I've reverted the edit again. There's no consensus here and until one may be reached, the template should remain in the format it has been in since created (which is for some time now). Undiscussed large edits cause edit wars, so to remain civil, I suggest we put it to a vote. It's widely accepted
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to have it look sleek and inoffensive, in toned-down colours. I suppose this spawned the issue of it seeming a little dark. With relation to that, I can colourise the links in a contrasting colour so as to make the text more visible (in this case, I'd use either white or a very pale cream).
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not clash with any other templates. I don't think anyone has commented yet on the appropriateness of including the record labels or external links though.
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