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one entry) and geographic grouping. Antarctica already stands out as having only one entry. New
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No objection here. It sounds like we're in agreement that reorganizing it by region is a better approach. I have no strong preference for the exact implementation - separate templates by region or one template that displays one region at a time. I'm swamped until Monday but may be able to help after
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but also any of them with no other navboxes, it's part of the expected presentation for it to be expanded. A single collapsed navbox is not a common sight on
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OK, I reverted a fellow editor's change so I owe an explanation here. A change was made to force
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This isn't necessarily right, certainly not perfect. And neither this nor several other previous configurations are wrong either. I can see the issue here looks like several editors are trying to deal with conflicting issues of formatting the template (i.e. not having any more sections with just
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Deserts would probably be best. I was going to make it specific to continent but can't figure out how to do that so just having larger regions would likely be better. If it is warranted, each region could have its own navbox linking to the smaller desert areas,
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I made this template and was planning to eventually get around to making it region specific. For example, on an article for the Gobi desert, only deserts in Asia would appear listed, the others would be hidden. I don't know if I'll have the time but if someone else wants to do it that would be
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The article for Ka'u desert was duplicated in the North
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Antarctica from the list? It might look awkward being there all by itself.
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as of apparent equal rank -- but the
Sonoran encompasses an area of 311,000 km², in two countries and five states, while the Nk'mip is an invented name for a small, dry area in British Colombia, that isn't really a desert!
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receives between 6 and 8 inches of rain per year in some areas, making it a desert. While bending the definition slightly (others areas receive many feet of rain), it works for this case well enough to be included.
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Mars is probably a bad example. Venus is probably a better choice, as it has both flowing oceans and deserts. Also Titan and IO. There are many good examples for this, it simply needs to be expanded.
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I just looked in the history and this was done before and then reverted because it is against some policy. There is no other way to get it to close automatically on short pages as far as I know.
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the navbox is determined by discussion to be a big issue, then a better solution would be to break it up into templates of
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None of those articles made any reference to deserts or desertification, aridity or anything relating to this topic. There is also no section about "deserts on other planets" in the article
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This template has a serious problem -- it mixes major and minor deserts, with no real indication to the user as to which is which. For instance, in North
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for an example. Also, the standard navbox colour is that blueish purple colour; I chose orange because it's deserty but that can be reset if you feel it is necessary to do so.
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actually does a better job in making the hierarchy of deserts clear. We need something similar (perhaps the same?) for this template. Cheers,
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