596:"It has also been suggested that Captain Cook assumed Nieuw Zeeland was named after the island of Zealand, Denmark": Suggested by whom? By a contributor to Knowledge? Obviously not by any contemporary of Captain James Cook himself! This cannot but be the speculations of someone who is not knowledgeable of the place that Zealand (Netherlands) holds in maritime history! One must not assume that this Zealand has always been the backwater Dutch province it had become by the twentieth century. It is not by any accident that New Zealand is named as such, and not for instance New Drenthe or New Limburg. Zealand held for a long period after the independence of the Northern Netherlands from Habsburg rule the place of a more or less autonomous state, and even founded its own colonies. Surinam was a colony exclusively governed by the Estates of Zealand from 1667 to 1682; Paramaribo was originally called Nieuw-Middelburg. Also the Berbice (Guyana) and Demerary were Zealandic colonies, and Tobago fell to Zealandic hands for some time. From 1745 to 1770 Dutch (Hollandic) ships were even prohibited from entering the waters of Demerary! Also, to this day both the arms of Holland and Zealand -in equal proportions- can be seen gracing the old port in Mauritius. It is then also entirely implausible that a well-travelled eighteenth century sea captain like James Cook might have confused the name Zeeland with that of the Danish island of Zealand (Sjaelland) and not have known the traditional English name for the Netherlandic province of Zeeland (Zealand). In fact, I would even hazard to guess that the use of Zealand for Sjaelland came into being later than for the Netherlandic Zealand, and perhaps is even copied from it. The other bits in this portion of the article about sound shifts that might have changed "Nieuw-Zeeland" to "New Zealand" are also rooted in the lack of understanding that Zealand is simply the traditional English name for Zeeland. I still remain adamant that the article should also be titled Zealand and not Zeeland; the arguments of contributors that the English language has no institution dictating the usage for names does not mean that one is justified in bringing changes to a language in an encyclopaedia. An encyclopaedia is meant to mirror current and traditional usage, and is not the place to effect change. Moreover, tradition itself may be seen as being the institution that dictates appropriate English language usage. -A Zealandic-Canadian- 19 May 2006
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Or: "Zeeland, traditionally spelt
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Perhaps it's interesting to mention the specific religious situation in
Zeeland? In Zeeland are many strict-calvinist churches, Zeeland has an interesting place in Dutch church-history especialy for the so-called 'bevindelijk gereformeerden'. My English is pretty bad :), so I can't do it.
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The same photo labelled here as showing the 1953 flood in a town in
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