Talk:Vietnamese people/Archive 1

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adopted Mon-Khmer language, but that’s not what I’m saying either! In any case, even though Vietnamese is language wise Mon-Khmer, it’s also obvious that Vietnamese shares 10 percent basic vocabulary with Tai-Kadai languages and similar grammar, not to mention pre-sinitic influenced Vietnamese also used stilt houses like Tai-Kadai people, among other examples. Vietnamese are most likely a mixture of mon-khmer and tai-kadai peoples, then you have to factor in the 1,000 year Chinese annexation/domination (in which massive immigration of Chinese is ruled out by scholars, but there is proof of some immigrations of Chinese throughout ). Even language and mixing aside, Vietnamese people know their history and origins and know for a fact that the cradle of Vietnamese civilization is based in North Vietnam. People are affected not just by genetics but also by environment, North Vietnam is strikingly different from many other areas in Southeast Asia in climate, with its four seasons and it actually gets cold! Making a claim for possibility of relation because of language at one point is ok, but you have to factor in a billion other factors as well.

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but I suspect the Vietnamese (in least in some of their gene pools) have much more "northern" origins. Perhaps the Mongols or others had some affect centuries ago? My own family is of Vietnamese origin, and many of my relatives have a very Central Asian, Japanese, and even Turkic look, and so they look a bit different from most of their other brethren, not to mention other southeast Asians. Until several years ago, I always thought nothing of this, and thought myself quite an "average" Asian-Canadian, until my late teen years when other Asians always had no idea where I was from, not to mention non-Asians. I am of Vietnamese origin myself on both sides, but people always think I look Mongolian, Japanese or Turkic; and finally, recently I have met other people of Vietnamese origin who look just like myself, and not like the majority or Vietnamese around me. ie. some Vietnamese guys (esp. in my family) have much more facial or body hair than most others, yet are entirely Vietnamese).

1458:(ethnic Vietnamese in China) are mentioned in this article as opposed to ethnic Vietnamese enclaves elsewhere. I think the article makes reference specifically to the Vietnamese who have been living in the southern areas of China for centuries, therefore they are a not only an established but historical ethnic group in those southernmost regions of China. If you look at Vietnamese origin theories, one states that Vietnamese originate mainly from Northern Vietnam but also partially from Southern China - one common misconception is that the current Jing (ethnic Vietnamese) living in some southernmost areas of China are indigenous when they are NOT - they just immigrated to those areas centuries ago, however it is notable because some majorly accepted theories are that one of the places of origin of Vietnamese people are in certain southernmost parts of China and that there is a group of Vietnamese living there now (the Jing who migrated there centuries ago). 3041:

Chinese DNA is actually true. That is vast number of vietnamese people have DNA that originated from people in China. Also chronologically in history, the Chinese peoples established their states a long time before there was any mention of vietnam or vietnamese. Vietnamese people are an off-shoot of the Chinese, not the other way round, and for that they should be grateful instead of the usual vietnamese feeling of jealousy and competition. Similarly it is meaningless to talk of the English people or England prior to the 4th century AD/CE, as there was no people called the English prior to that time, nor a place of that name. So to recap, vietnamese people came along a long time after the Chinese people were established in history, and the vietnamese were an off-shoot of the Chinese.

1174:.It seems to suggest and enforce Li Hui theory of at least one of the 3 streams of transmigratory routes taken by Chinese peoples,the stream of genetic marker M119 ( where the Viets belong ) whose path was through northern SE asia into China and they contain Bai Yue and other minorities like Dai but not Han Chinese.So it sort of confirm " the current study involved only mostly minority populations " in the article on PNAS and they " entered from Southeast Asia " Li Hui asserts that Han Chinese are M117 genetic marker and Viets & Bai Yue are M119. Viets do not share the M122 genetic marker with the Han-Chinese. M117 and M7 stemed from M122,which the Viet ethnic is not. 5296: 1471:“The same thing about the Chinese characters can be said of the Vietnamese text in this article, since English speakers (the primary audience of this article) won't be able to read it either. DHN 15:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)” -- As I stated earlier, this article is a Vietnamese article in an English language site so Vietnamese script is necessary while the Mandarin script are out of place and unnecessary. By using your argument, it be okay to use Vietnamese script in a Chinese article since the English speaking audience is unable to understand it just like the Chinese script. 1028:

during the successive dynasties, who though were 100% Han in genetics identified with Vietnam as it was their home province, it might also make sense that chinese military men, stationed south without their women, found indigenous partners, leaving people of highly mixed sino-vietnamese stock. likewise, there are other probably those that live outside the cities, where the Hans used to congregate in ancient times, having less exposure to han genes also leaving us with those who look more "indigenous." ~ Xiaohuang (Thieu Hoang)

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Quoc Quoc Dan”. Meanwhile the figures for “overseas Vietnamese” (Viet Kieu) also include minorities such as Montagnards, H'mông, Tay, Muong, Etc. for example I'm quite familiar with the Dutch Statistics Bureau and they always base statistics on national origin, not ethnic origin. For this reason North-Koreans, and South-Koreans living in the Netherlands are counted separately, while people from Belgium (who could be either Flemish, Walloon, or Rhine-Prussian) are all counted as “Belgians”.

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all, the Vietnamese ethnic identity is really a multicultural one! Many ancient ancestors of modern ethnic Vietnamese did in fact come from modern-day southern China (which of course was not part of China in ancient times), which is also the homeland of modern-day Cantonese people. I think that it is already widely accepted that many people who consider themselves to be ethnic Vietnamese only would be considered "Hoa" by the Vietnamese government simply on the basis of their

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northern SE asia into China and they contain Bai Yue and other minorities like Dai but not Han Chinese.So it sort of confirm " the current study involved only mostly minority populations " in the article on PNAS and they " entered from Southeast Asia " Li Hui asserts that Han Chinese are M117 genetic marker and Viets & Bai Yue are M119. Viets do not share the M122 genetic marker with the Han-Chinese. M117 and M7 stemed from M122,which the Viet ethnic is not.

4374: 5452: 5247: 4283: 3646: 3209:"extremely unlikely" is a harsh word. Vietnamese today may not be "pure Lac people" as they were heavily mixed with Chinese, Cham, Khmer and other ethnics on the high land throughout the past 2000 years, but perhaps the Lac were their original ancestors as today Vietnamese still have temples and annual festivals, celebrations to honor the Lac people. You don't find any other ethnic group in China or Vietnam that do the same thing. 5389: 637:

defeated An Dương Vương and then combined Âu Lạc with territories in southern China and named his kingdom Nam Việt, or Southern Yue (南越). (Nam means south). Việt is cognate to yuet 越, which is the pronunciation of Yue in ancient Chinese and some modern southern Chinese dialects. The term was used for various peoples in the region south of China, including the regions of northern Vietnam.

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Normally, Vietnamese refer to themselves as "người Việt" (Viet people) but when they speak to the minorities in mountains they would refer to themselves as "người Kinh" (people of the metropolitan). Only when they speak to the Hoa (Chinese) minority, the Khmer minority, and the Cham minority, would they still refer to themselves "người Việt" (Viet people). Hope this helps.

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peoples (such as the Cantonese peoples). The bottomline: a disambiguation page needs to be provided to distinguish between the various meanings that 'Viet' might be construed to be. As the page stands, if one were looking for information on the various Viet peoples, they would be sent straight to this page without any opportunity to go to the correct article beforehand.

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as ethnic Chinese, but many of these are genetically less than 50% Chinese, and in fact predominantly Vietnamese genetically, and morphologically resembling the Vietnamese. The Chinese have a custom of accepting anyone who has a Chinese ancestor as Chinese even though the genetic make-up of the person is heavily diluted from that of his/her Chinese ancestor. 13 Sep 06.

5222:. My removal was not based on source manipulation. Claiming to be the "oldest" population when of course what that actually means is poorly understood by most people is typically diagnostic of nationalistic editing practices, although to be fair I don't edit much Southeast Asian pages so I'll assume good faith here. It still looks bad on the page though.-- 2542:

province. The author makes the conclusion that the genetic markers are closely related and/or identical in Table 4 of the same page. If you read his discussion, he talks about all of the related genetic markers, and then concludes that with this (in the very last sentence), that the Vietnamese population came from Chinese/Thai populations.

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should concentrate about the Kinh ethnic group. There is no need to go to mention what Vietnamese are labeled outside of their country. There is no metion of what Vietnamese are called in other countries like Laos or Thailand because it is unnecessary just like this passage. It more appropriate in the "Vietnamese people in China" article.

1064:. Some Vietnamese Americans are so unwilling to recognize any progress that goes on "back home", preferring to only focus on personal achievements of Vietnamese-Americans who, are primarily doing the United States of America a favour, not Vietnam. Besides, Pham Tuan looks better, and will give the "ethnic photos" better exposure to Viets. 2508:). I'm afraid it automatically advertizes a politically-oriented sentiment in its contents. Evenmore so, this reference was only a graph depicting genetic clusters, it did not denote such statements as it was written on this article. So by puting forth statements simply based on personal observation of the graph is not acceptable.-- 2794:"ethnic Vietnamese". "Vietnamese people" does not even have to refer to the Vietnamese ethnicity. For example, it could also refer to Vietnamese citizens. I don't think we need a source to realise this; otherwise, we will bogged down in endless and pointless debate. The scope definitely needs to be widened. If you check out 5402:, I have updated the number of Vietnamese in Cambodia based on two different sources. It is clear that the current figure from the CIA World Factbook cannot be trusted. Although basing ethnic population figures on official census data is normally uncontroversial, in this case, the Cambodian government has admitted that 1161:, not Han Chinese. It's like Japanese vs Chinese. Academics suggest that modern Japanese people descended from Yayoi people originally from China, but yayoi were distinct from Han Chinese as well. Moreover, they mixed with Jomon people to form modern-day Japanese ethnicity. Same case with Vietnamese and Chinese. 2504:, unlike the first source which is hosted by a reputed research center that specializes on fields such as molecular biology, microbiology and biochemistry, is of unknown orgin and is hosted by the website called "wufi.org", which is a political organization titled "World United Formosans For Independence" ( 1322:

Vietnamese people living abroad. Besides there are other Knowledge articles that discuss Vietnamese people living outside of Vietnam or in a specific country (Vietnamese Canadians, Vietnamese Australians, etc). Remember this article is about the Kinh ethnic group not about Vietnamese living abroad.

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The current transcription of Vietnamese , using Latin alphabet, was not the work by the French. According to most scholars, including French scholars like Pierre Huard and Maurice Durand, members of the French School of the Far East, indicate that "la romanisation du vietnamien" was an international

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Second, we are genetically Vietnamese. Nothing more, nothing less. You people who are not even Vietnamese people have no business talking about genetic composition of the Vietnamese people. Unless you have concrete evident to the contrary (i.e. two gene map on your hand with point by point comparison

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Quote: the study is more of Chinese minority groups than the larger Han Chinese majority.It seems to suggest and enforce Li Hui theory of at least one of the 3 streams of transmigratory routes taken by Chinese peoples,the stream of genetic marker M119 ( where the Viets belong ) whose path was through

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Yet again, an erroneous assumption. Had you even been able to read Chinese text, you would know that many Korean and Japanese pages do give original Chinese text as a source of context for certain topics or words. Please refrain from discussion if you do not even know what you are talking about...and

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So is it okay to delete this passage? "In the People's Republic of China, they are among the recognized minority groups based especially in or around Guangxi Province and are known in Mandarin Chinese through their derivative name Jing/Gin (京) or "Jingzu"/"Ginzu" (京族)." As I have stated this article

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i changed 'possibly related to southern chinese' to related to southern chinese. genetics study have shown that the vietnamese kinh are indeed closely related to them. we are genetically closer to them than the other peoples of southeast asia such as the thais, though we are somewhat closely related

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c.) DHN's "scientific" claim of genetic make-up for Vietnamese of Chinese origin: Of course there are Vietnamese who are classed as ethnic Chinese, but many of these are genetically less than 50% Chinese, and in fact predominantly Vietnamese genetically, and morphologically resembling the Vietnamese.

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IT'S SO DISGUSTING & DISTURBING, HOW YOU ADDRESS THE TOPIC & TARGET CAMBODIANS. APPRECIATE DIFFERENCES IN OTHER CULTURES & THEIR CONTRIBUTES. REMOVE BORDERS FROM UR BRAIN! AS MAN & WOMAN DON'T THINK ALIKE BUT COMPLIMENT ANOTHER, AS SO ANY CULTURES, CREEDS, BREEDS AND SKINS. GROW UP!

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Speculated Answer: Well, I heard this and I can't quite back it up, but it means the metropolitans, Kinh/Jing though means capital can also mean metropolitan. It's meaning maybe lost throughout the years, but could reflect that the modern Vietnamese ethnic group is neither the Lac or the other ethnic

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With this in mind the statistics of the number of “Kinh people” in Vietnam becomes quite accurate, but immediately falls apart with the overseas numbers (Viet Kieu), let’s not forget that an overseas Cham is still a Vietnamese national, and a Cham living in Vietnam is still a Vietnamese citizen with

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And the term "Viet Nam" when used on official documents almost always is meant to describe the nationality of the person rather than their ethnicity (with the notable exception being the Vietnamese source below where a German national writes down their ethnic group as "Viet Nam" while the Vietnamese

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As for certain theories being "denounced" - interesting choice of word, that - it doesn't make that theory wrong. Plenty of groups may have immigrated to the Red River Delta from "China" - whether southern China (i.e. non-Han) or northern (i.e. Han or proto-Han or Han-esque) - long before the Qin or

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Actually Chinese have Vietnamese DNA and one study does not make the whole. In China, there are studies with Han, Cantonese, Zhuong having been sinicized. Viets are proven to be biologically close to the Tai and Muong and linguistically related to the Mon khmer. That is why Guangxi is an autonomous

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The fact that there is a very high rate of intermarriage between "Hoa" people and non-Hoa ethnic Vietnamese and that even Cantonese people living in Canton are closely related to ethnic Vietnamese ought to say something about the relations between the Hoa people and (other?) ethnic Vietnamese; after

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So is there a reliable source that states that 'Viet', as used in the English language, refers to the Vietnamese people only? Some English language history books seem to use 'Viet' in a much broader sense. Furthermore, I have never seen any history book about Vietnam that refers to the ancient state

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If a Cantonese person is mistakenly called a vietnamese, he/she would be most offended. The vietnamese are nick-named the dog-people or simply dogs, and are lowly regarded as a people because they are associated with crimes. Example of this can be found in the UK where vietnamese people are cannabis

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Please note that the idea that 'Viet' only refers to the Vietnamese people is a misnormer (and possibly racist too). Cantonese, Hokkien and many other ethnic groups that originate in South East Asia are also Viet peoples. It must also be noted that the ancestors of ALL these peoples were NOT related

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I think I would rather not be associate in any remote way possible to the like of you. Just thinking about me and you may have one chance in six billion share one similar chromosome make me want to puke. Truly, if I share the same gene pool as you I would rather kill myself and do the world a favor.

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I think its should be removed, as Tryst Nguyen pointed out earlier in his own discussion to whom nobody replied, the Chinese in Vietnam are called Hoa and there has been Hoa communities for centuries in Vietnam. Its not stated in the Han article because that deals with the Han ethnic group not Hans

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I believe there is a reason to delete the disputed passage, as I mentioned earlier it is not appropriate as this is a Vietnamese ethnic article not Vietnamese in China article. It starts out about discussing about Kinh then all of a sudden it talks about what Vietnamese people are called in China .

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I don't see a reason to delete it. It appropriately shows that there are Vietnamese people outside of Vietnam. In Laos or Thailand I'm not sure if they're an officially recognized ethnic group, but they are in China. The same thing about the Chinese characters can be said of the Vietnamese text in

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You obviously do not know many Southern Chinese. Not even a typical Southern Chinese resemble a typical Vietnamese, although they are from the same geographic area. They are not typologically nor morphologically alike, and could be easily distinguished. Of course there are Vietnamese who are classed

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MUST LIKE TALKING DOWN ABOUT OTHERS, WHOM DOES NOT SPROUT FROM YOUR GENE POOL? READ THISSS UP!! NO ONE PICK WHICH FAMILY THEY COME FROM. OR IF THEY GENETICALLY SHLD HAVE CURLY HAIR OR STRAIGHT. IT'S LAME THINKING & DESTRUCTIVE vs CONSTRUCTIVE. THINK WITH YOUR GOD GIVEN BRAIN! PARTICULARLY, WHEN

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According to legend, the first Vietnamese descended from the dragon lord Lạc Long Quân and a heavenly spirit Âu Cơ. They marrhttp://en.wikipedia.org/Vietnamese_peopleied and had one hundred eggs, from which hatched one hundred children. Their eldest son Hùng Vương ruled as the first Vietnamese king.

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How much of the numbers in France, America, and Germany include non-Kinh Vietnamese nationals and their descendants? We don’t know, that’s when all of the current sources become unreliable, and asking who’se “Kinh or not” is not something for Knowledge to decide, wouldn't even be favourable in real

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Vietnam has something similar to the above, with the Chinese/Taiwanese all Chinese/Taiwanese people living outside of China/Taiwan are “Hoa Kieu”, all Hoa Kieu are “Trung Quoc Nhan” but none of them are “Trung Quoc Cong Dan” (as they’re not registered in a Ho Khau), and only some of them are “Trung

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Someone has kept changing around the infobox of notable Vietnamese people in the last few months. It is now, quite frankly, literally unrecognizable from before. Many people I do not recognize to be notable. And, there is now only one Vietnamese female here, down from 3 before! Frankly, I find that

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On Page 421 of the article, the author asserts that when he/she refers to Orientals, he/she is predominantly talking about Chinese populations. The word Southern was added because the cross-referenced studies (Blanc et al ., 1983 and Johnson et al ., 1983) took samples predominantly from the Canton

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The comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals. However, the Vietnamese population can be differentiated by the significantly higher frequency of the enzyme morph HincII-5 and by seven

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Plese, Vietnamese people, do not make unsubstantiated claims and link yourself to us. Korea tried to steal our culture by registering it, but they failed. Please have more self-respect. Vietnamese people already have a bad reputation within Chinese communities, because some people make up lies like

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Cantonese people = Vietnamese?!! That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! If you come to Asia, all Cantonese/Hakka/Hoklo people think of themselves as Han Chinese, or sub-groups of Han Chinese (what we call 籍贯). Each sub-groups has their distinct regional accents and practices, but we are

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sorry but what is DNA map based on? dont use the outdated study those are only based on blood types which is a totally outdated method , you should study the YDNA and MTDNA of both groups all southern chinese fatherline(YDNA) are closely related to northen while vientmaes are not even the vietnmase

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I think a section on the genetic origin of the Vietnamese people should be added. It is modernly accepted among geneticist that the Vietnamese people have a dual genetic origin from the Chinese and the Thai, with certain Vietnamese more closely related to the Chinese and others more closely related

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I may not know much on this topic but I do know Korean and Japanese script use some loan characters from Chinese script and perhaps that is why there is Chinese script on Japanese and Korean pages. As you pointed out the use of Chinese script in Japanese and Korean pages are limited, being reserved

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What's this? Ho Chi Minh got removed whereas some strange guy with American flag on one arm and another in the background is put on as an example of a Vietnamese? This is serious POV, especially when this is an article about Vietnamese in general, not Vietnamese American. I will remove it if no one

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I must say that although the Vietnamese resemble the southern Chinese in cultural traditions, habits, and finally in their physical typology, i find the Southern Chinese often even more southeast Asian then the Vietnamese themselves in several ways. This may be some kind of far-fetched speculation,

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I would like an edit for the 'Vietnamese people' page. The notable people represented at the the top right of the page are all men. I request you to add a or some female notable such as Hai Ba Trung or Ba Trieu. It's a unfair mistake to let people from other countries think that Vietnamese women

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was our former king, it doesn't mean that he represents the views of all, (or even a significant minority in this issue), Vietnamese people. If Minh Mang was some closeted Sinophile, that's his problem and this whole Vietnamese is Han thing needs to go on his own article. Vietnamese, have been and

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Genetic studies in the past decade have shown that the Vietnamese population exhibits genetic markers that are closely related and/or identical to those of Southern Chinese populations, with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a

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First, Vietnamese are proud Vietnamese people, period. We neither want or care to associate ourselves with other, especially the Chinese people. All those attempted to do so are not, in any sense or any way, Vietnamese, that I can assure you. A thousand years of Chinese domination is enough, thank

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If 'Viet' really is used exclusively in the Vietnamese language to refer to ethnic Vietnamese, then I regret to say that I find such usage extremely offensive. As far as I am aware, 'Viet' as used in the English language refers to no only ethnic Vietnamese but also many other non-Vietnamese 'Viet'

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Second, why are so many translations of Vietnamese words to their Mandarin equivalent? Remember this is a Vietnamese article not a Chinese one. Do you see Vietnamese translations of Chinese names and places in Chinese articles? The answer is no because Vietnamese translations are unnecessary in

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Yes, "Hoa" in Vietnamese language means not only the ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam, but also the ethnic Chinese living in other countries, for example in the USA, in France, in Thailand, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, in Cambodia, etc. Although less often, but this word is also used to refer to the

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In human genetics there is a term used called 'The Milkman Effect'. You have European traits because somewhere you had a (white) European ancestor(s), which is not documented in your family history for various reasons including taboo. The same can be said of some Filipinos. Many Chinese from Macau

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In China/Taiwan there’s a difference between Chinese/Taiwanese people (Trung Quoc Nhan), Chinese/Taiwanese Nationals (Trung Quoc Quoc Dan), and Chinese/Taiwanese citizens (Trung Quoc Cong Dan), even if we’d make the argument that only Han people are “ethnic Chinese”/”ethnic Taiwanese” it would be

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term "Jyut-Naam" which means the southern areas of the Jyut (a Chinese/Taiwanese term to describe non-Chinese/non-Taiwanese people from certain areas), and I have yet to find any Vietnamese language sources that when in relation to other ethnic groups call the Kinh group anything other than Kinh.

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This is already addressed and discussed (albeit briefly) in the article. Or may be this needs to be expanded. After all, a lot of stories about the Vietnamese people turn out to be nothing but blatant myths that have nothing to do with what really happened. Unfortunately, the truth often hurts...

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Because today's vietnam, was until quite recently a part of the Chinese Empire, where it was known as the Province of Annam, as were the other two SE countries of Laos and Cambodia. Other territories that were once a part of the Chinese Empire include the whole of the Korean peninsular as well as

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Vietnamese may have been originally written in Chinese, but it is not really pervalent in today's time. Hardly any Vietnamese are taught to read or write in Chinese script so it is pretty much useless if they can't understand it. Actually the Vietnamese sound are closely to Camtonese. Vietnamese

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I speculate that Vietnamese are mixture of the north (chinese) with the indigenous populations through out time, leaving much of the population looking somewhere on the spectrum of looking very east asian to looking very austronesasian. After all, there were many Chinese who moved down to Vietnam

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b.) DHN responding to Le Anh-Huy's message of 07:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC), despite Le Anh-Huy clearly stating "I am of Vietnamese origin myself on both sides": ...You have European traits because somewhere you had a (white) European ancestor(s), which is not documented in your family history for

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In 258 BC, An Dương Vương founded the kingdom of Âu Lạc in what is now northern Vietnam. In 208 BC, Chao Tuo (known as Triệu Đà in Vietnamese), a former Qin Dynasty general from China, allied with the leaders of the Yue peoples in modern-day Guangdong and declared himself King of Southern Yue. He

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Above here on the talk page there’s a discussion on including Eugene Trinh, the first Non-Hispanic Vietnamese-American in space in the infobox because he’s a notable and recogniseable Vietnamese person, and completely ignoring the first Oriental in space (who was also Vietnamese) because of some

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I'm not sure if anyone fact-checked all the sources but the Dutch CBS includes descendants of Vietnamese nationals, not just ethnic Kinh people so the number could also include various minorities like the Montagnards. The differentiation between various ethnic groups within Vietnam often doesn't

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I don't suppose you should nitpick the legend as it is just a legend after all, and a legend definitely contains fictional or mystical elements. This legend of Âu Cơ and Lạc Long Quân simply signifies the unification of the sea people (Lạc Long Quân) and the mountain people (Âu Cơ) to create the

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If by saying Chinese have vietnamese DNA means that the majority or maybe even all Chinese peoples have vietnamese DNA, then it is blatantly untrue. Of course there are some Chinese people who share some of their DNA with some vietnamese people. However the reverse statement that vietnamese have

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Perhaps I should make it plain. The simple fact is this article does not reflect a world wide view of what constitutes "Vietnamese people". This article seems to be about the Kinh ethnic group only as designated by the Vietnamese government. I am seriously considering a rename of this article to

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UR SUBLIMINALLY RACIAL PROFILING & TARGETING CAMBODIANS, AS IF THEY ARE TO BLAME FOR YOUR UNHAPPINESS! SO YOU UNDERSTAND, SOUTH VIETNAM WAS ALL KAMBOJA/CAMBODIA BECAUSE OF A MARRIAGE IN ATTEMPT TO UNITE THE PEOPLE AS ONE. ONCE A SHARED PROVENCE. SO DON'T BE SURPRISED, IF YOU CARRY CAMBODIAN

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CONTINUITY OF RACIAL HATE IS REDUNDANT BECAUSE SOMEONE DESIRES TO THREAD ON ANOTHER IN ORDER TO FEEL A SENSE OF SUPERIOR. (SUPERIORITY COMPLEX - SEE A PSYCHOLOGIST!) YOUR INTERNAL DEWELLINGS IS PRESENTED AS "INSECURE" TO A PROFESSIONAL EYE. RACE SHLDN'T ELEVATE UR MENTAL SMALL STATURE. CHARACTER

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Though an argument can be made that ethnicity is purely about self-identification as Minh Mang called Vietnam "China"/"Taiwan" (中國) in relation to Cambodian people, and referred to Vietnamese people as "Chinese people"/"Taiwanese people" (漢人), but that's besides the point as we do differentiate

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A mistake I found on the article ethnic groups in Vietnam is that the term "dan toc" means "minority" and that all non-Vietnamese people in Vietnam are somehow called "dan tocs", I looked for a source to back it up but some errors just slip through Knowledge as the term "dan toc" actually means

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no you have nothing to do with any sub han groups, that is only based on blood types according to ydna and mtdna you are more closely related to khmer and lao people all southenr han groups are closely related to northen han i wonder why all the vietnamese are so desperate to link chinese...

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people. After all, the Cantonese people are closely related to the Vietnamese people in a genetic, ethnic and cultural sense, a closeness that can only be intensified by the very high rate of 'intermarriage' between the 'Hoa' people and 'native' Vietnamese. Please do not say that Hoa people are

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According to a research study done by the Hopital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals," with the exception of seven unique markers. These

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It's like Japanese vs Chinese. Academics suggest that modern Japanese people descended from Yayoi people originally from China, but yayoi were distinct from Han Chinese as well. Moreover, they mixed with Jomon people to form modern-day Japanese ethnicity. Same case with Vietnamese and Chinese.

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No matter where Vietnamese is classified language-wise, that does not necessarily prove that they’re close genetically to a specific group in that language family. Language and genetics are not the same thing - and I know now you’re gonna say that the only other possibility is that Vietnamese

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I don't see the purpose of having a separate article about the Gin, as if they were a different ethnic group. Hypothetically, it would be interesting to have an article about specifically about ethnic Vietnamese people in China, but we don't have anything like enough material for that yet. And

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Kinh is a relatively late term used by the Vietnamese to distinguish themselves from the minorities in the mountains, as the Vietnamese are people originated from the capital or the metropolitan areas and have a culture that is quite different from the surrounding minorities due to Sinization.

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I am preapring a genetic study to answer your questions. Manything needs to be done now. My hypothesis is that Kinh people originating from southeast Asia and influenced by migration from southern China people. (Toiyeuvietnam). I inserted some new clues from genetic studies by Chinese scholars

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show that there have been some efforts by the government to expel the ethnic Vietnamese, but the statistics show fewer than 10000 deported since 2014, so unless some big news about ethnic cleansing come out of Cambodia, I'm inclined to take the World Factbook estimates with a grain of salt.

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It is true that "Kinh" means capital, which word is borrowed from Chinese. Kinh meaning "of the capital" is plausible but I think unlikely. It seems more likely to me that Kinh is the endonym of the people, while Nam Viet is the Chinese exonym. Nam Viet does indeed mean "southern barbarian",

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The people that this paragraph talks about are the pre-Austronesian, rather than the Vietnamese. The people that migrated northwards from the Sundaland to Shandong and the present-day Korean peninsula were the pre-Austronesian. They have nothing to do with the Vietnamese. This part probably

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I think this section is important because while geographic, linguistic and cultural characteristics can be masked and changed depending on how and where a person is raised up, nobody can hide from their genetic code as it will always pinpoint exactly who they are, and where they come from.

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And yet Chinese script is no longer taught to Vietnamese in today's time, making the Chinese script pretty much useless. Since you argue that Chinese script should remain because it was used in the past, than would it be right to start using Chinese script in Korean and Japanese articles?

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First, there is no need to go into detail about Vietnamese people in specific a country, China in this case. There is no discussion of Vietnamese people in Thailand or South Korea and what they are labeled there because it is not needed. The Diaspora section covers all that is needed about

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I have removed it for its disgusting impression, and I'm thinking of some other image to fill in its place. There're still many Vietnamese great names which are also well-known outside Vietnam. Or maybe we can find an image of male Vietnamese since I can see an image of female Vietnamese in

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Large scale emigration did not occur immediately after the Vietnam War, despite the imagery of boat people fleeing on American helicopters and aircraft carriers. It was later around 1978 onwards did Chinese-Vietnamese flee in greater numbers, when their economic interests in the south were

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why are you vietnamese so desperate to relate to chinese? map like these are circulated everywhere on the interent, what studies is this map based on? will the admin at least try to understand what these non-source studies are based on first before you approved it in the offical article?

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as exclusive to the Viets and the Muong people, to the exclusion of the so-called Mon Khmer. But the linguist Maspero in 1912 and again in 1952 even suggested the Viets (and by extension, the Muongs) are not Mon-Khmer, but rather a branch of the Thai/Dai peoples, in itself a branch of the

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I finally gotten a username, I am the same person who started this discussion. All right if nobody responses by November 14, 2007 I'm going to edit the page. I thoroughly proven my point on this subject matter and if you want to make your own edits you have to discuss it first.

5203:", but Ballinger et al. (1992) did talk about Vietnamese beding the oldest population given a certain context. In the data table to the right, I have quoted the relevant text from Ballinger et al. (1992), and I have highlighted the most relevant part of the quoted text in yellow.-- 2286:

needs to be a disambiguation page in the Vietnamese Knowledge, which it is, but not in the English Knowledge. In English, the term is clearly derived from Vietnamese and is only used to refer to the Vietnamese in English and need not be disambiguated. Here's an analogy for you:

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political issue, but the argument to put Trinh here falls really apart when Trinh is actually a Hoa (“Chinese”/”Taiwanese” from Viet Nam), and not a Kinh. Either this article is consistently about Vietnamese nationals and their descendants (of which then I wouldn’t propose a

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Why does the entry 'Viet' redirect to this article? The Vietnamese ethnicity is part of a much larger grouping of Viet peoples (just as the Turkish ethnic group is part of a much larger grouping of Turkic peoples). A disambiguation page needs to be provided to address this.

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Where's the evidence that the Lacs were related to today's vietnamese? Given the number of wars, destructions, ethnic-cleansings and migrations into what is today's vietnam, it is extremely unlikely that today's vietnamese can claim they are direct descendants of the Lacs.

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is really Vietnamese. I really don't care too much whether they bring "pride" or "shame" to the people they represent. (Being chosen by the Soviets to show off how much better their socialist system are compared to the capitalist system isn't much to be proud of either)

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and collective work. The work was wrongly attributed to Alexandre de Rhodes who published his "anamite-latin-portugais" dictionary in 1651. Later, Pigneau de Behaine and then Taberd continued this undertaking to achieve the current transcription of Vietnamese. T.D.

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The genetics section (save some POV that I just removed) has gotten pretty long here, especially with those huge graphs. Perhaps it would be better to split, so it doesn't take up so much o the page at expense of recorded history, culture, etc? Genes aren't everything.

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ancestry (i.e. their lineage tracing back to no more than a few hundred years). As for the claims that there is some kind of political trick going on, that was because I noticed that CCP propaganda has been cropping up across a number of Knowledge pages relating to the

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That article have its flaws, it stated that korean was influence by chinese but did not gain tones is wrong, evident by its hangul-based writing system, korean once had tones. As for Japanese tones, around a good 30% percent is accented. Dai is no longer considered

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published in some famous articles (ex. American J Hum Genet, Science..). But my change in "Vietnamese people" topic is rejected due to unconstructive conclusion. This decision that is very quickly shows that the editor did not read these studies. It is not good way.

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MTDA has nothing in common with southern chinese blood type can easily affect by the tempature and climate south chinese and south east asian live in similar climate which the study tend to show they are related but YDNA and MTDNA has already refulted this claim

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to describe them, it still isn't the same as "Vietnamese", which implies a national of the country of Vietnam which isn't a nation-state of "the Vietnamese people" but a multi-ethnic region, even the word "Vietnamese" is purely geographical as it comes from the

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Ballinger, S. W.; Schurr, T. G.; Torroni, A; Gan, Y. Y.; Hodge, J. A.; Hassan, K; Chen, K. H.; Wallace, D. C. (1992). "Southeast Asian Mitochondrial DNA Analysis Reveals Genetic Continuity of Ancient Mongoloid Migrations". Genetics. 130 (1): 139–152. PMC

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languages, and many vietnamese customs are suprisingly simmiliar to those of other mon-khmers, such as chewing bewtel nuts and blackening teeths. Even thought the vietnames today are wholly resemble chinese, the muongs whom claim closely related to the

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Knowledge does a great job with keeping the Han-Chinese people article separate from “Chinese people”/”Taiwanese people”, and conversely over 90% of all Chinese/Taiwanese nationals ‘’are’’ Han, while less than 80% of all Vietnamese nationals are Kinh.

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is their any historical evidence or research of Vietnamese having Altaic or otherwise "non-native" (ie. to the south China-Indochina basin) origins in their gene pool? This might have drastically affected the actual origins of the Vietnamese people.

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This page said that there were 2 million northern Vietnamese who migrated south after 1954. The following page, however, states that there were around 1 million people migrating from the North to the South during two years after the Geneva Accords:

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A proper source has also been added for the second claim. The paper clearly states the genetic cluster on page 194 (once again, you will need either a subscription or be affiliated with a high quality University/Research Center to see the paper).

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Thats what I mention, I basically said that its quite ludacris to say vietnamese were originally not mon-khmer, but I'm saying should we add a diffrent section on factual origins and include information on possible relations to other mon-khmer.

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I don't think we should quickly conclude that the word "Tàu" for Chinese in Vietnamese language means boat. Have you ever thought that they could be just homophones? We call China "nước Tàu." How would you translate that? The country of boats?

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Here's another "ethnography" of ethnic Vietnamese in China. There is something quite ethnocentric about this Beijing-controlled website, as Russians and Koreans are referred to by their English ethnonyms, but the Viets are just called "Jing"!

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In order to reflect the complexity of human genetics, we need to approach the information in a scentific perspective, rather than making it seem like ethnic-oriented (i.e. stating Vietnamese are closer to which ethnic group rather than...).

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The fact that most, if not all, Cantonese peoples do not call themselves 'Viet' is of no consequence. The same applies for all other non-Vietnamese Viet peoples. The issue here is recognising the fact that the word 'Viet', as applied in the

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that claims that Hoa people are ethnically Vietnamese. The view that they are ethically different is at least supported by a government. You claim that the other side is using political tricks to stir hatred - at least back up your claim.

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PS: It is clear that an 'us and them' attitude between the Vietnamese and other Viet peoples is well and truely alive here. It would appear that many people here do not really know much about history or are seeking to promote biased views.

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currently are and in the foreseeable future, are anti-China stemming from China's historical colonization of VN for over a millennium, and political, military, economic, cultural hegemony since nearly the beginning of Vietnamese history.

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There are now two females. I've put in a person active from 1950-2000. 16% for the last 50 years seems appropriate actually. Most othere ones seem to have almost all 20th century people. Phan Boi Chau is the 1900-1950 era representative.

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But, there are speculations that that cosmonaut did nothing but "ride along". :D I think it's safer to use Eugene Trinh. He is Vietnamese, definitely. (Yes, us overseas Vietnamese are being arrogant, but we have the right to, don't we?)

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Who is this DHN? I found his/her comments very disturbing. Bad English to start with (Cf. Quote a.) above). What rights to make such huge & offending statements on the world stage? They are far from accurate, to say the very least.

5368:, thank you for answering so quickly. I'm also wary given this, but I note that deportations != departures in some expulsion events. I think that its clear we need a better source and that in the meantime, the cite should be removed. 4022:. Regarding the latter proposed new redirect, a search on "Vietnamese people" might alternatively direct to a disambiguation page referring on the one hand to the several native ethnic groups of the nation of Vietnam (perhaps linked to 3248:

A full six images in the infobox of historical figures (83 percent of whom are male) isn't balanced. As with any ethnic group article, notable living people of various professions should also be included. Can this please be corrected?

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I am sure that your ancestors are ashamed of having one such delusional offspring as you. Please, don't procreate. If your children are so unfortunate as to be born by the like of you, please, don't teach them anything. I pity them.

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Most of the Hoa are indeed discriminated by those so call pure Vietnamese; they call the Chinese ba -tau ( three boat people, funny they were boat people refugee too) even from the Viet language radio station in the West countries:

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Uhh, regardless of those elements you listed that are practiced amongst Vietnamese (betel nut chewing, lacquering of teeth), they’re not exclusive to Mon-Khmer speaking people but also practiced by Tai-Kadai (among others) people.

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Well, no, if we make a mistake on this article, we certainly should not copy the same mistake on some other article to make up for it. More to the point, there are at least two important differences between this situation and the

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The Vietnamese population in Cambodia is incorrect. Per the CIA Factbook, the population of Cambodia is 16,204,486 people of which 0.1% is Vietnamese. This is roughly 16,204 ethnic Vietnamese residents in Cambodia, not 600,000.

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and "King Gou Jian of Yue" was their ancestor. He's been banned in the Vietnamese Knowledge but keeps coming back. He keeps writing abusive messages in Chinese (which thankfully few in the Vietnamese Knowledge can understand).

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Personally I want to avoid doing any original research and tried to look for Vietnamese sources that described the majority of Vietnam as "ethnic Vietnamese" but I only found foreign newspapers like the American "Nguoi Viet".

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I agree, i have aswell deleted some unrelated topics about hoabinhian people that have nothing to do with modern Vietnamese people. Instead it should maybe be included in an article prehistoric Vietnam or history of vietnam.

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results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations. According to another research by the Mackay Memorial Hospital in

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It should be called "Bani" Islam, a form of Islam that was syncretized into Malay culture...but the internationalists among the Cham and Malay Muslim community are trying to get rid of it, for a more puritan form of Islam.

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Actually, had you actually checked and been able to read Chinese, you would know that many Chinese pages about anything Vietnamese will also feature Vietnamese pronunciations and spellings, apart from Putonghua spellings.

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The article can be accessed on the same page with a subscription to the service or with access through a higher education system (Students, Faculty, Post-Doctorate Researchers of most mid to upper-tier Universities).

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for "certain topics or words" as opposed to how this page use to be with Chinese equivalents for all Vietnamese names, places, etc. However this is all made irrelevant since Vietnamese script is based on Latin script.

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NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SAYS.. WE ALL COME FROM AFRICA IN THE END, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. ALL SKINS & ALL TONES, EVERY RACE, EVERY COLOR. GROW UP KIDDO! LEAVE THE WAR IN THE PAST & STEP INTO THE 21ST CENTURY!

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By the way, an interesting tidbit=Japanese people - being a mix of yayoi and Jomon, also practice what is often deemed as indigenous southeast asian practices: including practice of animism and dyeing teeth black.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=2j6GNiMMc1oC&pg=PA474&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=oiLYu2-uc8IC&pg=PT429&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CGUQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=a2TerRF1j74C&pg=PA185&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=AkIhYEavBrEC&pg=PA139&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=JG619Tq4ElkC&pg=PA127&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=2j6GNiMMc1oC&pg=PA474&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=ktazW5kWYy0C&pg=PA298&dq=kinh+people+of+capital&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g7xJUs2iMoO48wSzq4GYBg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=kinh%20people%20of%20capital&f=false

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As you stated, those Chinese pages dealing with Vietnamese issues have Vietnamese pronunciations and spellings because it is apt. Translating Vietnamese names, places, etc. into Chinese on a Vietnamese page is not

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Chinese, right? People I know keep on saying that the Vietnamese people were from China (geographically originating from a part of today's China, yes, but I mean CHINA as in CHINA), which is stupid, in my opinion.

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It would appear that the term 'the first vietnamese group' pre-dates the term vietnam or vietnamese. Indeed 'the first vietnamese group' were in all likelihood not the direct ancestors of the vietnamese of today.

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I don't know, but it is important to bear in mind that Việt (Yùe in modern Chinese, presumably Yuèt in ancient Chinese) means nothing other than "southern barbarian", i.e. non-Chinese south of the Yangzi river.

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The Đông Sơn Culture, depending on the Knowledge source stretching from 1,000 BC to 3079 BC until 258 BC or so, makes "the ancient Vietnamese people one of the first to practise agriculture"? I don't think so.

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is because it incorrectly assumes that ethnic minorities in Vietnam are either "foreigners" or "non-Vietnamese people living in Vietnam" which are both untrue, this double standard isn't applied with either

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new markers. These results strongly support the hypothesis of a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from the Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations based on HLA markers and linguistic evidence.

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Looking happy, confident and cultured, not to mention beautiful and enviable (And no makeup, very genuine), the girl in her Ao Dai (Ow Yai), the cultural symbol of Vietnam: Most beautiful image of Vietnam.

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Germany and France are not multiethnic countries the same way Vietnam is. Minorities in Germany and France are immigrants from other countries. Most minorities in Vietnam are indigenous mountain people.

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Do you think we should add a new section for facts and myth, althought the origins of vietnamese are shrouded in gray clouds, their language and pre-han culture does provide and in site. I notice that

323:"barbarian" in this context specifically meaning "settled non-Han peoples south of the Yangtze River". Most of these people (except the Kinh of course) are now completely Sinified and identify as Han. 1000:

The Chinese have a custom of accepting anyone who has a Chinese ancestor as Chinese even though the genetic make-up of the person is heavily diluted from that of his/her Chinese ancestor. 13 Sep 06.

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Certain sources use the term "Vietnamese," so, if someone were to cite information from said sources, it is my understanding that the information would best be put in an article about "Vietnamese."--

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article falls apart when all official statistics bureaus from Viet Nam itself name the ethnic group “Kinh”, and the article become gravely unreliable when it starts putting non-Kinh in the article.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=q5C3Sbe1iMoC&pg=PA209&dq=minh+mang+han&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cOZSUqPkLcbgyQHVzYD4AQ&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=minh%20mang%20han&f=false

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http://books.google.com/books?id=py5Xh0-pw18C&pg=PA115&dq=minh+mang+han&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cOZSUqPkLcbgyQHVzYD4AQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=minh%20mang%20han&f=false

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I've added this chapter in recognition of the "first nations" of what is today Vietnam. The distinction is on dry and wet rice agriculture.Next chapter can be influences from the South with the

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no you are not related to cantonese people at all, cantonese YDNA is closely related to northen han while MTDNA is related Zhuang instead of vietnamese vietnamese are related to khmer people

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From 2.1 to 2.4, I have put "the earlier Vietnamese groups" and ended the full subjet with "the first Vietnamese". All these come from my own published works in French as well as the ones by

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I'm not sure what's the reason with this. It was fine the way it was before, until someone chose to delete the picture for it... I propose changing the list back to what it was here before:

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Of course, Vietnamese people are proud to be Vietnamese. However, Vietnamese are the ones making up these lies themselves in order to have legitimate claim over all of Southern China. --

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are all derived from the same character, but when you speak of "yen", "won", and "yuan", you're implicitly referring to different things, and they don't need disambiguation. The term "

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between Vietnamese people and ____ people (fill in the blank)), please do yourself a favor and be quiet. Knowledge is not a faith based institution, and your belief means nada here.

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difficult to explain if a Zhuang person living in Denmark would or wouldn't qualify as “a Chinese person”/”a Taiwanese person” since they’re not “ethnic Chinese”/”ethnic Taiwanese”.

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Above I created an argument as to why this article should be moved to “Kinh people” because of the ambiguity of the term “Vietnamese people” but now let me try to phrase it better.

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of Vietnam), and as such does not include all the populations native to the country of Vietnam who may in this latter sense rightfully be called "Vietnamese" (nor does it include

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include hundreds of groups of people? And if the Kinh adopted an MK language, that would be kind of strange seeing as Kinhs were basically in the influence of those who spoke

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This theory has been denounced. The ancient Vietnamese(red river delta) stood at the end of the Ch'in and Han expansion They were there long before the arrival of the Chinese.

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language, ordinarily does NOT mean Vietnamese. Rather the Vietnamese people are just one example of a Viet ethnic group. So we really do need a disambiguation page for 'Viet'.

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a.) DHN responding to user:leaki, on the origin of the Vietnamese people: They are Mon-Khmers who were Sinisized, not the other way around. DHN 19:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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those populations, but even populations that have always lived outside its borders...), and since apparently the name "Vietnam" itself strongly suggests an emphasis on the

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The third paragraph in the opening section contains several statements concerning Vietnamese genetics supported by two separate sources. The first source is hosted by the

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I didn't remove the ao dai pic, but as we don't know who she is, she could be a non-Kinh person, it's just some person's home photo, it's best to leave it out I think.

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Sorry if you oppose me, but I do not think that Ho Chi Minh would be deserving of being put as an example of a Vietnamese person, even though genetically he was one.

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Please confirm that the protection level appears to be still warranted, and consider unprotecting instead, before applying pending changes protection to the article.

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Why are Cantonese and Teo Chew not listed? Many ethnic Vietnamese around the world are fluent in speaking at least one of these languages in addition to Vietnamese.

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Perhaps it would be a better idea to relegate the discussion of the Vietnamese in China to the body instead of mentioning it in the head or removing it altogether.

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removed the statement about Vietnamese being the oldest population given a certain context which was cited to Ballinger et al. (1992), and their edit summary was "

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Would it be possible to add pictures of notable Vietnamese people to the side, like most other pages on ethnic groups? Specifically this (from the Viet version) :

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why "Southern Chinese or other people in South China" in infobox related people? proof? where reference say vietnam people relate to south chinese? where source?

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Thanks, these are still all historical figures. There should be at least one or two active, living people who are doing something productive at the present time.

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situation. First, the word "Gin" does not mean "Vietnamese Chinese people"; it just means "ethnic Vietnamese"; "Vietnamese Chinese would be something like 京族中国人 (

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you very much. We fought with blood and bone to NOT be associated with the Chinese. Try to read history please. We can stand on our own. Stop with the delusion.

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and other mon-khmer people, do you think they are related? They share simmilarities like the tendency to be around rivers. And for the Bai Yue part, doesn't

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Either there was a mass exodus of Vietnamese people in Cambodia recently or the CIA World Factbook messed up. As recently as a couple of years ago, the CIA

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Also to add, Vietnamese people are genetically grouped with Miao, Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyi and Thais, implying that they are closely related.

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Technically, merging Gin people with Vietnamese people would be like merging African-American with Black people. So we should do the same with that article.

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Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

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No idea, but you might be interested in this article about the Gin people in China from the POV of a Chinese ethnographer (translated to Vietnamese):

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Or, at the very least, to expand this list. Maybe we can add back in Triệu Thị Trinh and the Trưng Sisters, and also include Hồ Xuân Hương as well.

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you must be kidding me, thats a outdated DNA map from 1972, i mean 1972? are you ok? basing on ychromosome and ydna, you guys are totally different

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were commisioned by the dynasty to create creation myths for their ethnic group, so Ngo claimed that the Kinh were descended from Emperor Shennong

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i think vietnamese are pretty desperate....and have no shame...im sure you ancestor is very upset not if they know theres an offspring liek you

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where in the article did it mention hakka, southern chinese, singapore chinese are classsifed with vietnamese? there's no basis and truth in it

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This user has been pushing this hogwash in the Chinese and Vietnamese Wikipedias. According to him, the Vietnamese state was a successor to the

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The predecessors of the Vietnamese people emigrated from present southern China to the Red River delta and mixed with the indigenous population.

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It should perhaps be pointed out that the 'first nations' of what is today vietnam, and the present day vietnamese are not related genetically.

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Why did the user remove (or conceal) part of the statement that was cited using the first source from NCBI? I find it to be extremely puzzling.

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http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=h-asia&month=9906&week=e&msg=28mq4qDZEWt3sD%2B6t6h/lw&user=&pw=

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As in most countries, the first inhabitants were pushed by newcomers in remote bad lands for the USA and Australia or highlands for Vietnam.

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have the decency to sign in if you think you are up to editing. I propose that this page should bar those who do not sign in from "editing".

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Can you name another "Viet" ethnic group? Note "Viet" is only used in Vietnamese to refer to the Vietnamese people. If you're thinking of

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Han or whatever state reached there. I think this is the issue, not how much "Chinese" blood entered Vietnam after the Chinese conquest.

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That's the reason of this "disputation" that led me to put some words on the "earlier Vietnamese groups" now repelled to the highland.

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and mixed with the indigenous population.{{Fact|date=August 2007}}

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Also, it is true that people can call themselves whatever they want in a census. However, this alone will not change the fact that

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Even if we'd were to argue that although the government and most of the time the people (here) in Vietnam themselves use the term

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Vietnamese and Han Chinese are distinct ethnic groups. Vietnamese descended from minority ethnic groups in China, not Han Chinese.

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What is the reason for including "Yue (state)" and "King Gou Jian of Yue" under "Also see"? Both these "Yue" refer to what is now

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to the people of laos. the computer dictionary microsoft bookshelf 2000, also states that we are related to the southern chinese.

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Does anyone know the origin of the ethnonym "Kinh", and why does it appear with the character for "capital" when used in Chinese?

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3. Comparison with the terminology of neighbouring peoples (specifically "Chinese people"/"Taiwanese people" Vs. Han Chinese).

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In response to these discussions, I have added the "earlier Vietnamese groups" followed by influences from the south with the

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Could someone update the number of Oversea Vietnameses in each country. There are more than 600,000 Vietnamese in Cambodia.

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Vietnamese have no genetic relation to Han Chinese. They are related only to the minority ethnic groups in Southern China.

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wrong!!! you do not know know about China. Korean people and Hai nan people (southern island of China ) eat fish sauce too!

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Could someone update the number of oversea vietnamese in each country? There are more than 600,000 vietnamese in Cambodia.

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the source did not even mentioning Vietnamese is the oldest race in SEA, probably someone trying to manipulating the source

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From 2-1 to 2-4, the sources are notes from 6 to 11. Please refere yourself to the notes, showing the referential sources.

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What happened to all the females? Where has the girl in ao dai gone? Why are these all in black and white? And a drawing?

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That is a reasonable speculation. Since it is noticeable that Vietnamese people do not have one "homogenous" feature.

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Please provide citation that anyone else in the world besides you call anyone else besides the Kinh "ethnic Vietnamese".

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ethnically Chinese; this is just a political trick designed to promote hatred based on non-existent ethnic differences.

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still cites the 5% figure. The CIA has goofed before when it comes to Cambodia - their map of Cambodia used to include

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By the way, what is this 'something else' called? Is it a derogatory term that just promotes a 'us and them' attitude?

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page is horizontal and very unclear. I tried adding the Trung sisters picture into the 3x3 array, but it looks silly,

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of Nam Viet (which contained many non-Vietnamese Viet peoples as well as the 'native' Vietnamese people) as 'Nanyue'.

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Quite a racist in you eh? I suggest this person deserve to be banned forever from Wiki, and the internet if possible.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20070503064213/http://www.mofa.gov.vn:80/vi/cn_vakv/euro/nr040819112136/ns060913153900/view

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2. Often demographics of Overseas Vietnamese include non-Kinh Vietnamese passport-holders and/or their descendants.

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Astronaut or Cosmonaut?: The 1st Asian in space was a Vietnamese citizen in space (not an American citizen). T.Vd./

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people as they are really ethnically Vietnamese and there are no real differences between 'native' Vietnamese and

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The Yue peoples are Baiyue or Bach Viet. The only common thing about them is that they're called Yue by the Han.

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of "Kinh", which is a synonym for "ethnic Vietnamese"; "Jing" is simply the Chinese pronunciation of that word. -

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while searching “Vietnamese people” only leads to the Kinh, further on the subject of nationality Vs. ethnicity.

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groups stated in the Legend of Lac Long Quan. Rather a mixed group of "metropolitans." ~ Xiaohuang (Thieu Hoang)

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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It would have been appropriate if the Chinese language was written with Vietnamese script sometime in the past.

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http://m.vietgiaitri.com/super-star/sao-viet/2012/04/xon-xao-giay-chung-nhan-ket-hon-duoc-cho-la-cua-ly-nha-ky/

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1987 paper in French Relations Internationales" on "The colonizations of Vietnam and Vietnamese colonialism".

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Vietnamese was originally written in Chinese, so the Chinese characters are appropriate for historical terms.

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producers. So although the term viet/Yue may be related it is not advisable to call a Chinese Yue as a viet.

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this article, since English speakers (the primary audience of this article) won't be able to read it either.

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This is a blatant violation of NPOV. Knowledge do not exist for the purpose of pleasing certain people.

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TOPIC OF GENES IS GREAT, YOUR MATERNAL MITCHRONDRIAL DNA OR PATERNAL LINEAGE, WONDERFUL! KEEP TALKING!

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I don't think the Cantonese call themselves Viet. They'd call themselves Yuet or something similar.

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I think they're different enough from other Vietnamese to have their own article. Perhaps rename the

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Do you even know how the Internet works? As if Knowledge could ban him from the whole Internet... --

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I’ve made this argument before but “Chinese people”/”Taiwanese people” doesn't exclusively include

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http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2011/11/03/modern-humans-wandered-out-of-africa-via-arabia/

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settling on the Red River delta. As time goes by they turned to be different from their cousin in

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It should also be clarified that the cited sources (and the new one), though both hosted by NCBI (

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Actually the so call pure Vietnamese ware mostly from the south ( mixes with Khmer ( Cambodian) !

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In fact, the number are under 1 million. I have changed the information in this page accordingly.

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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template

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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template

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That would be fine if we had a significant article about them. I've been one of the editors of

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due to various factors that make the current wording and phrasing of the article problematic.

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What is this? Is there a Vietnamese term? I can find absolutely no sources about this at all:

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Are you certain that the sources talk about Kinh people only or all ethnicities from Vietnam?

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These are good points, but you should sign your posts by adding four tildes after your post.

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However, the information on this Knowledge article which cited this reference is written as:

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There are large population Viet-Hoa in Western countries and successfully in business too.

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Chinese have "Vietnamese" DNA? Sorry, but I find this hard to swallow. References, please.

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I have no objections to using these pics, but they keep getting deleted. I originally used

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090617032129/http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/18/23/34792376.xls

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The figure of 600,000 Vietnamese in Cambodia is very old in this article, added back on

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linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

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The named reference "NCBI2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the

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Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with

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http://books.google.com/books?id=P2HP31kOSA4C&pg=PA210#v=onepage&q&f=false

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i am requesting the admin to remove this article from the vietnamese origin's section

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http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1365-2370.1999.00184.x?cookieSet=1

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when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an

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At least, he was the first Vietnamese cosmonaut, as well as the first Asian in space

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people has not been backed up by a reliable source speaks for itself (i.e. passes

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dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai populations.

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http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118967451/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

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For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all

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The article cites Geno by National Geographic, but they have updated their tests.

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This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the

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Why someone removed my image set? Can we ban Minhtung91 for vandalising the page?

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and make their own new contry different from the one they came and they name it "

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the study is more of Chinese minority groups than the larger Han Chinese majority

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Other subselections this article should include is culture, food, attire, etc.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I'd like to suggest—since this article is about an ethnic group rather than a

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exist with overseas communities (with the notable exception of the H'mông).

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claimed that the Vietnamese had the right to call themselves Han people 漢人.

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ethnicity. The fact that the CCP's reporting on the supposed persecution of

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please be more strctly before you approve ridiclous infromation like that!

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I would rather said the so call really vietnemanse are from Champa kingdom!

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http://www.tienphong.vn/Tianyon/Index.aspx?ArticleID=109164&ChannelID=2

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vietnamese_people&oldid=564325184

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I strongly suggest it, in the interest of preciseness only. (Please Note,

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Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.

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please admin remove the false information without eveidence for back up

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Because overseas Vietnamese get agitated staring at a communist leader.

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In Vietnam, the first inhabitants came from the south Austrasia by the

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rm flagrant peacock, how can one ethnic group be "older" than another?

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How do people feel about this? Would someone like to take on the task?

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Should Hoa = Chinese? Gin people and Vietnamese should be separeated!

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system on the English language Knowledge. All the articles listed at

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If nobody responses in a week I will go ahead make the edits myself

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Chinese articles just like Chinese translations in Vietnamese ones.

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INCASE YOU WERE THINKING: I'M AN ARYO-TURCO MONGOL. HUMAN BY RACE.

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Why not? He's one of the most well-known Vietnamese persons around.

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people are seen as ethnic Vietnamese and not ethnic Chinese by the

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For those interested, here is where the graph originally came from.

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have very obvious Portuguese traits for the same reason. 13 Sep 06.

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That's probably a good idea, if you can find some sources on that.

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between a national of "China"/"Taiwan" and the Han ethnic group.

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They are Mon-Khmers who were Sinisized, not the other way around.

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New Title? ("Viet people" with added redirect for current title?)

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1. The term "ethnic Vietnamese" is actually not used in Vietnam.

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That this article is linked to from the image description page.

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The Le dynasty created the Kinh ethnicity in the 15th century

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spelling was invented by the French not Vietnamese them self!

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Thanks for your understanding. I see it's removed already. :)

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are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

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all descended from Han Chinese people in the Yangtze basin.

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i can easily find DNA maps like that with different results

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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You need a more reliable source than an advocacy website.

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No. Vietnamese and Han Chinese are distinct ethnic groups.

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Why are there so many Chinese references in this article?

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If you can find someone to replace his pic, be my guest.

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but a complete change in style), or about Kinh people.

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Vietnamese people have more chinese DNA than their own!

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Propose split: Population genetics of Vietnamese people

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By the way, there ought to be a brief mention of the

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No, Hoa live in Vietnam. Likewise, Gin live in China.

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east Asian mtDNA variation indicates that all extant

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Ballinger et al. (1992) Vietnamese oldest population

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Vietnamese history and population. A system Approach

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Possibly? Anyway, this is off-topic, but Vietnamese

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DHN is the idiot who originally wrote this article.

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did much to Sinicize the country in 20 short years.

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Migration to the south after the Geneva Accords 1954

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a southern Chinese origin of Mongoloid people about

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it would appear that most of the mtDNA variation is

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0.182%, while the mean interpopulational divergence

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population which encompassed most of the variation.

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