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Matram (VM). But now it is the other way round. This is what happened - From first grade till
Seventh I changed 4 schools in all of them we sang SJSA but in my last school there was change of Principal, the new lady was a pro nuclear tests, Indra hating, child bashing (her own child not other's) autocrat . As is normal for such people they prefer VM, these kind still send out emails explaining why Jana Gana Manaa should be replaced with VM. Anyway, from that day on, we only sang VM in school. So gradually I forgot the order of the lines in SJSA. This explains that in modern day India SJSA is more popular except under special circumstances. Or maybe there has been a shift towards VM and it is more popular. Another thing, SJSA is popular in South India too. At least that is what I can tell from one Tamil friend. He was asking me to explain the meaning of SJSA. He could sing it even though he did not understand it. VM too is not difficult to understand thanks to heavy sanskritization. --
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matter how many Greek borrowings you put in an
English song, it does not "become Greek", and it does not need to be written in the Greek alphabet. Lines like āĻŦāĻžāĻšā§āĻ¤ā§ āĻ¤ā§āĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāĻž āĻļāĻā§āĻ¤āĻŋ, āĻšā§āĻĻāĻ¯āĻŧā§ āĻ¤ā§āĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāĻž āĻāĻā§āĻ¤āĻŋ, (bahute tumi ma shokti, hridôee tumi ma bhokti) have exclusively Bengali grammar, with the Bengali locative case endings, with words like "ma" and "tumi", etc. Sure, lots of the rest of the poem have very Sanskritic endings, but once again, the song is in Bengali. Even if the song were Sanskrit, keep in mind that when Sanskrit (or at least languages extremely close to what we now call Sanskrit) was actually spoken by large communities, the script used to write it was not what we now know as Devanagari. It was written in a script that later evolved into both Devanagari and Bengali scripts, along with many others. Only later did Sanskrit get written in the modern Devanagari script, well after it (or technically, a language very similar to it) ceased to be a spoken language. --
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my nick
Antorjal (is pronounced Ontorjal}. And Rabindranath is Robindronath and Bankim Chandra is pronounced Bonkim Chondro. The popular "given" name sticks but it's a curious problem. When I write Bengali in Roman characters, I am usually phonetic (like many friends from Bangladesh) but many other people write it highly modified Sanskritized (some friends from West Bengal). But I think it's a matter of personal taste and habit. My point is the pronunciation of PROPER NOUNS like Vande Mataram are the same... that is it sounds like "Bonde Matorom" regardless of how they are spelled which on the other hand is dictated by the creator. So if I am were Bengali (which I am) and my name was Subrata (which it is not) I wouldn't write it in Sanskrit because as a proper noun it was created that way. And you'll find a sizeable number of people with the same pronunciation whose names are spelled Subroto (the way it is pronounced)--
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Either way, that is irrelevant. I also never said that the
Devanagari script is younger than the Bengali script; that is ludicrous. Both evolved from the same ancient Brahmi script - so how could one be older? (When I said "Only later did Sanskrit get written in the modern Devanagari script" - I did not mean "and it written was Bengali before", I just meant "it was written in something else before". Looking back at what I wrote, I see that I was ambiguous.) Anyhow, since the song does have a lot of lines in Sanskrit grammar, I can understand if people wanted to have the Devanagari version on there, since nowadays people think Sanskrit was always written in Devanagari... but I just thought I'd clarify my earlier points. --
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received tremendous response from millions of
Internet users from 155 countries; results were declared on December 21, 2002 and the Irish National Anthem A Nation Once Again topped the list. Vande Mataram acquired second position. Although the voting was for a version with the tune set by A R Rahman a new age Musician of India, the song has been extremely popular in India for over 100 years. Several musicians and singers have recorded it on gramophone records from as early as 1905. This shows how significant Vande Mataram is.
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Bengali and
Sanskrit". I'm saying this because much of the song, and especially the stanza that everyone knows as India's national song, is not Bengali. The first part is totally Sanskrit (although written in Bengali script, as Sanskrit is done in much of eastern India and Bangladesh), and other parts are totally Bengali. I think it would be appropriate to make this clear to the reader. I really hope this doesn't become a huge debate though... --
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of 70 million. I should also point out that not everyone agrees that Bankim
Chandra originally only meant Bengal - many argue that he meant all of India, and "sapta koti" refers to that portion of the population that was capable of bearing arms. Anyway, fascinating as this topic is, it is really a side issue - what's really important is checking whether the original text said "koti koti" or "sapta koti"/"dvisapta koti" (or, as
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india to decide. and the constitution is very clear about this. the constitution specifically says that there is no 'single' national language. all languages are on par with each other. if you are ignorant of these facts, read up on relevant stuff first before you start drawing conclusions about my likes and dislikes. for starters you can start reading the en.wiki page on national languages of india.
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linguistic opinion, the song as a whole is neither all
Bengali or all Sanskrit. If the anthem is only taken from the first few lines, it is purely Sanskrit, and can be written in either the Bengali script or the Devanagari script or a host of other scripts that have been used to write Sanskrit over the centuries. If we are talking about the whole song, the Bengali vocabulary and grammar are undeniable. --
1337:"Highly Sansksritized Bengali" - Note the Sanskrit part. What is your issue with Devanagari? Vandae Mataram is a unique bhajan ok? Its not like every article on Tamil wiki including (Kootu, Parippu Podi, etc.) Vande Mataram is a unique song for all of India, deserving a Hindi transliteration for the simple fact that its prevalent only in Hindi speaking regions (South has Saraswati Vandana and the like).
621:. All the other objections on the part of Muslims stem from that. Both articles you showed me serve only to bolster my own argument. Anyway, no one's arguing here. I was simply saying that the actual song never had an anti-Muslim lyrics, which is what you were implying in the beginning by saying it was more than merely the Durga Mata slant.--
754::-) Surya wont step back. I've seen him discuss topics close to his heart with fervent passion. He wont take any thing but his own answer. Anyway, I support him. He is not making things up. I was not around when we gained independence or when we were in the process of gaining it. But from what I know now. Vandematram was
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many special rights in India, which boosts of secularism. If India is secular, why their is separate Hindu Act and Muslim
Organizations monitoring their own laws. Under name of the Constitution fo India all citizens should be equal. Why separate laws for Hindus and Muslims ? Is this what is meant by SECULARISUM ?
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every one of us had to figure out a way to communicate using Roman letters. For example I used to edit a literary little magazine in
Bengali and had to register the name in English in many ways including Jatishshor, Jatisshor, Jatismor, and Jatismar and all the names are pronounced the same and in the same
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Dvisapta koti is a Sanskritism for 2 times sapta koti, i.e. 140 million. The idea was probably that 70 million voices would correspond to 140 million hands. On the number, I've heard that he included the chunks of Bihar and Orissa that were part of historic Bengal which, together, gave a population
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This is with respect to Gizza's question on why the song is named "Vande Mataram" instead of "Bonde Matorom" the way it is pronounced in Bangla (THE language of creation). The answer is simply that for naming of proper nouns, many Bengalis have used a very Sanskritized transliteration. Therefore even
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SO, why would the original form of the song be ignored? If it were possible to go back in 1882 and force Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay to write the song using Devnagari, the Bangla script could have been thrown down the drain. UNTIL that happens, the song should definitely be presented in its original
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Oh then you have not seen me debate on Gandhi (sub topic Hey Raam). Anyway, I never said Surya was wrong. I just meant that when he knows he is right he wont fall back to mediocrity (also read as the long, lengthy, boring article filled with points and counterpoints that pleases both gangs editing it
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Well, once again, you haven't met my statement. The lyrics contain nothing irreverent or negative about Muslims or anyone; they speak of Mother India. The phrase "Vande Mataram" was used as a stirring cry for Independence against the British regardless of religion by many across the country. What was
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mean? (27?) Also, what's the significance of Saptha (7) koti (crore)? I am a bit confused here ... the population of Bengal was never near 7 crore in the 1860s or 1880s. But in any case, this should be checked from the original Bengali text of Anandamath. If someone has a copy, please check that. By
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brilliant points. The frustration is acute because one has to consider the various ways the interest group will spell the the name while using a search engine. It's something we've had to deal with all our lives, but became more pronounced when the Net became popular because all of a sudden each and
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And as for your contention that the first stanza is Sanskrit or may be considered as such, it is still ambiguous if not absurd. Sanskrit has influenced dozens if not hundreds of Indian languages and there may be hundreds of poems in these languages where if you take a stanza or a line or a word in
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I am also surprised at the notion that Everything associated with India has to be written in Devnagari. Why? From what I've learnt so far in Knowledge, India has a very large non-Hindi speakers. Why should everything be forcefully transliterated in Hindi/Devnagari, where the original language/script
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I'm confused. What do we need the Urdu translation for? This is a page written in English about a song written in Bengali - those two should be the only languages here. If we add Urdu to this page, why not also add Oriya, Marathi, Telugu, and other major languages of India? The translations in those
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stop drawing conclusions about my likes or dislikes. you are not qualified to do that. as for hindi being 'considered' the rashtra bhasha(sic), it is not for either you or me to 'consider' anything or elevate a language of our choice to be the 'rashtra bhasha'(sic). it is for the constitution of
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Vanda Mataram had been voice of Indian People , their cry for Freedom, Hindus and Muslims equals. It deserves all the respect. If Muslims don't like it just forget about them, they have got their separate countries namely Pakistan, Bangladesh and also half of Kashmir. Even after all this still enjoy
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While this is not directly related to this debate I feel like discussing the status of the national songs. Many people in India consider Sare Jahan.. to be another National Song of India. While I was in school, I remember singing SJSA with pride and enthusiasm. I felt sad that I could not sing Vande
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Don't have the time to research the song further. But whether the song itself had anti-Muslim lyrics or not, it's origin as a part of (what at least the Muslims saw as) a strongly anti-Muslim piece of literature made it very, very offensive above and beyond the other problem of using a very relgious
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Also stop saying 'This is the national song of india' not 'some song'. Vande Mataram, whether it was india's national song or pakistan's national song or not a national song at all, would still be encyclopaedic and noteworthy, simply because it was an immensely popular song, not to mention that it
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written in Devanagari. We do not know that it was even written down, but even if it was it wasnt in Devanagari. The use of Devanagari for Sanskrit started many many many centuries later. And even today, none of the people in South India and many other parts of India use Devanagari for writing or
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And why should ONE biased Wikipedian be allowed to hold Knowledge to ransom? How can one persons opinion be greater than the Constitution of India. The Constituent Assembly which had representatvies from all parts and communities of India had collectively taken the decision. If Sarvagnya is unhappy
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He has done exactly the same thing for three songs which are very important in India(Jana Gana Mana, Saare Jahan se Accha, Vande Mataram). The fact that Devanagiri is a major script in India and Hindi is the official language of India means that every Indian will want to read this article and hence
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What does devanagari being used in Bankim's page have to do with this? If devanagari has been used there, i dont know if there is a specific reason. that can be taken up on that talk page. as for ragib, ragib who? and what does the percentage of a particular lang speakers have to do with this.
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Whether Hindi is or is not the national language of India is irrelevant. The song was written in Bengali. The version in the Devanagari script belongs in the articles written in Devanagari-script languages such as Hindi, Marathi, etc. Just because a song was written in India doesn't mean it must be
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I think the people of India love and respect Vande Mataram than they do to Jana Gana Mana. Even people of other nations love this great Indian National Song. ZFor example as a part of BBCs 70th anniversary celebrations, an online survey of Worldâs âtop tenâ songs was conducted in November 2002. It
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Bengali is a language that takes much of its vocabulary from Sanskrit, with some words inherited, and some borrowed. This song is clearly written in Bengali, albeit with many Sanskrit borrowings. This would be the equivalent of an English song with numerous Latinate or Greek-derived borrowings. No
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Urdu does not belong. All right. But what makes you think urdu does not belong because this song is 'hindu influenced'. Please stop asserting your POV based on stereotypes you hold. Urdu like Sanskrit is just a language. Neither are hindus prohibited from using urdu nor are muslims prohibited
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That's completely false. "Vande Mataram" is well-acknowledged to have been the mantra that when cried would rouse people to a fever-pitch of pride and anger against the British. Sare Jahan se Accha, for example, is a beloved national song, but played no role as an Independence motto, especially to
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So the case could be made that the song is constantly switching from modern Bengali (with many undeniably Bengali features that any Bengali would use natively) to Sanskrit (with many archaic features that no native Bengali speaker would know of without special training in Sanskrit grammar). In my
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I never said Sanskrit ceased to be a spoken language. I am well aware of the fact that small communities keep it alive; this is why I said "by large communities", where by "large" I mean communities like those who speak other Indian languages like Punjabi, Hindi, Gujarati, Bengali, Assamese, etc.
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First of all I would like to congratulate Dbachmann for re-writing major portions of the article. I mostly agree to the rationale he has provided for the removal of lyrics. However after going through many other articles on national anthems/songs on wikipedia; it looks like a common practise abd
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First of all, why "shadhubhasha" at all? When we write articles abt Bengali literature before 1920, do we go "shadhubhasha" all the time? "Rabindranath Tagore was a Bengali author, no no, he was actually a sanskrtized Bengali shadhubhasha author until 1915", "Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar wrote his
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So instead of writing "The song was composed by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee in a Sanskritized form of Sadhubhasa Bengali", which is a little confusing sounding to the layreader, can we write something more like "The song was composed by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee in a hybrid/combination/mix/etc. of
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The references given to "support" some of the statements made in the section do not verify was is written (although the Bengali bowing part was ok). I will attempt to rewrite the section in a more factually correct way, since the text seems to have been written from an opinion instead of actual
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It would be best if both Bengali and Devnagri were used. Why not have both? Obviously because it is in the language Bengali, Bengali script would be appropriate. There is no harm in having it in other scripts. Per Knowledge policies, Devnagri is the script used to write Sanskrit words here. Also
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I have also implemented detailed IMPROVEMENTS on wikisource:Vande Mataram. I hope it will clarify all confusions regarding the TWO translations of Vande Mataram by Shri Aurobindo Ghose. The text has been aligned very systematically so that someone desiring to understand its meaning with a fair
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The Devanagari and Bengali texts of the "full version given in Anandamath" don't agree with each other. The first two lines of the second verse in the Devanagari version begin "sapta koti" and "dvisapta koti". The Bengali version begins "koti koti" in each case. If I remember correctly, the
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Would anyone mind if I (or anyone else) changed the references to this being "the national cry for freedom" and "the national song" to "a national cry for freedom" and "a national song"? In the former case, there's got to be other things that can be considered such; in the latter case, I think
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Another reason that is often cited is that VM lacked an official sound. The modern day rendition of the song was done based on a Raga and proposed by Gandhiji after the point of tune was raised. A committee decided that the new tune was not good enough to be played internationally - it was not
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I think everyone should know this: Go through Sarvagnya's contributions and talk pages and you will find that he has a Anti-Hindi and Anti-Devanagiri bias. One of his major contributions to Knowledge has been the deletion of Hindi names and Devanagiri script from every India related article.
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song - nothing was close. Why else do you think I can sing Vande Matram in its entirity but still cant sing Saare jahan Se Achcha. Even though Hindustani seems to be first language and my knowledge of Bangla is limitted to reading and writting (not understanding ) it. It still is important to
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Strange does Vande Mataram not mean "I bow to thee, Mother" Is our creator our mother or parent as well? So how's bowing down to creator a shirk? Has the creator acted in giving us birth? So, our mother in that sense? So, what's wrong is bowing down to the creator and why the same is a shirk?
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It is curious that the first stanza of a song is in one language and the rest is in another. Whoever is saying the first stanza or even the full song is in Sanskrit, may I know on what basis you are making the claim? Does any part of the song use words that you wouldnt find in the Bengali
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because it is a national song of India, and Hindi is the national language (there 22 other official languages, I know) I think we should have it in Devnagri. Anyway, in Bengali it is pronounced as Bonde Matorom, so "Vande Mataram" is the Sanskrit/Hindi pronuciation of the song anyway.
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I don't mind if Devnagri script isn't used here as long as I know why the name of the song here is "Vande Mataram." In Bengali, it should Bonde Motorom. Isn't Vande Mataram a Hindised/Sanskritised name of the song? Is so, wouldn't it better if the name was changed to Bonde Motorom?
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Vande maataram Ambikaam Bhagavati Vaaneera Maa Sevita Kalyaani Kamaliya Kalpalatika! Kaivalya Naada Priyaa Vedaanta Pratibhaagyamaana Vibhava Vidwun Manoranjani Sri Chakraankita Ratna Pitha Nilayaam Sri Raja Raja Iswari, Sri Raja Raja Iswari, Sri Raja Rajeswari!
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even has his name also written in Hindi on his article. Ragib does not have a problem with this, I really don't see why you do. Like it or not, at least 40% of Indians speak Hindi, making it the most used language, and outside of the Indian subcontinent nearly everyone speaks
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The Hindi movie Anand Math was based on "Anandmath" written by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhya. I cannot recollect whether it was the song sung by Lata Mangeskar or the one sung by Hemant Kumar in the same movie which was in the BBC World Service Top Ten poll. But this site
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I remember very well that it was the same song from the 1952 Hindi movie Anand Math which ranked second in the 2002 International Poll by BBC World Service and not the version of A.R. Rahman (which was not even in the running). The reference link to BBC World Service
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There seems to have been many requests for transliteration. I shall try working on the transliteration of a portion of the Devanagari, but my work will probably be limited, due to lack of free time and not enough knowledge on the type of language used in VM. Thanks.
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Hi.Although few people quarreling here have problems with every language other than their beloved mother-tongue.I dunno why do they have 'allergy' with Nagari script.But lets not get into it.Devnagari script is used for writing in Marathi,Hindi,Nepali,Sanskrit.See
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what the reference says! Fantastic. I'll make that change... and I do agree about Shadhubhasha - it's really not necessary to say a Bengali piece of literature is in Shadhubhasha when it was written at a time when Shadhubhasha was the only way to write Bengali.
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b) What makes you think Devanagari is the de facto 'right' script to represent Sanskrit? I dont know if you understood Sameer's points fully. What he is trying to say is, when Sanskrit was in vogue, like when say, the Ramayana was supposedly composed, it
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english is spoken across the whole world, so will that mean you will give english(roman) transliterations for every article on tamil wikipedia? answer my question or dont answer. my question again, what is the significance of devanagari on this article?
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doesn't mention this. If it was the *hindi* version that was adopted as the national song, I don't have any objections to the Devnagari script rendering for the stanzas of the song chosen as National song. So please clarify this. I've clearly mentioned in
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Indians. Had it not been for the fact that Muslims found it derogatory (for whatever reason) it would have been the National Anthem of India. Gandhiji was greatly pained by the fact that Jana Gana Mana was picked. BTW iFaqeer, you might want to look at
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Sanskrit has never ceased to be a spoken language, its usage had waned under Mughal and British oppression. Are you trying to tell me Devanagari is younger than Bangala script? We both know thats totally untrue. Nearly every source calls it Sanskrit
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Lard Saahab, chill, dude! Pre-partition, on an all-India basis both of those songs had at least the same status. Vande Mataram, being Bengali, was more common in that region. If you don't mind my saying so, saying that "Sare Jahan se Accha" played
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In 2002, BBC World Service conducted an international poll to choose ten most famous songs of all time. Around 7000 songs were selected from all over the world. Vande Mataram, in a version by A. R. Rahman, was second in top 10 songs. <<<
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And talking about references (why they are needed to detect which language this song was written in is beyond me), ironically this is what the reference provided now has to say abt it: "and the song comprised of a mixture of Bengali and Sanskrit
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Bakasuprman, all the citations u've given above seem to suggest that it is a Sanskrit song. But the article says it is in Sanskritised Sadhubhasha for which I asked for citations and havent received any yet. Now if it is a Sanskrit song,
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Trying to delete devanagari from every wikipedia article clearly show your POV.I dont need to refer wiki articles to know that HINDI is considered as the official language or the RASHTRA Bhasha .It is clear who is taking whom for a ride
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different. Please go through the pages and pages of talk there on that page, my talk page, aksi's talk page, mahawiki's talk page, sundar's talk page and nichalp's talk page before you jump to conclusions and pronounce your judgements.
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Many of the words are participles or have a participial sense, so as a rule both -ed and -ing work; pick one or the other according to basic meaning as adjective or verb respectively (the 'áš' ending is just a grammatical inflection):
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Since this song was written orginally in Bengali the article should atleast contain this song in Bengali scripts. I found Bengali scripts in Jana Gana mana and therefore, someone should include the Bengali script version of the song.
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But the above has nothing to do with my other point. That of legal standing. Let me research that a little more. The answer to that might also raise the question that if SJSA, so to speak, did not play any role in the independence
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dictionary? Does it NOT follow Bengali grammar? On what basis are you claiming that it is NOT bengali? On the flip side, those who claim that it is Bengali or Sadhubhasha or even Hindi, on what basis are you making the claim?
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Mr.Apandey, people have made better arguments and cases to have Devanagari there. Your argument is not only weak but also offensive by being suggestive. What do you mean by some things being special and nationally important
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language! In Hindi, film and media have exerted major influence and so a Hindi-speaker might not appreciate the problem as much. For example, many Hindi speakers might agree with the transliteration of a hypothetical film,
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is totally right in this respect. Any bilingual Bengali-English speaker knows of the frustration of Bengali spelling in the Latin alphabet, due to most people's need to refer to the Sanskrit spelling of Bengali words. The
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On the dispute over the necessity, that is a whole other can of worms. I am not saying people did or not dispute. I am saying that the ones that do claim it as necessary use this as one of their arguments. Does that make
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has had no such dominant forces. Let me also add that I have not seen a single indication that Bankim Chandra used Devnagari characters in any part of his novel. He is tough to read without knowing Sanskrit but so is
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IMO, the first part (which is the national song) is Sanskrit and can be transliterated in Devnagari. But much of the full song is plain Bengali and hence the full version should have only a Bengali transliteration--
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Bengali, Sadhubhasha, Sanskrit, highly sanskrtised,... Which language is the poem in? If it is sanskrit, then the bengali transliteration needs to go. If it is in bengali, the nagari transliteration needs to go.
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is right that Devnagari is just another script. All the corresponding varnas (or bornos if you will) are there in Bangla and as late as the sixties and seventies, when Sanskrit textbooks were used for schools in
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recognizable in other cultures. While all national anthems have heavy beats and are very strong. VM was feeble. JGM on the other hand has a tune that is mixture of Indian and western music and had wider acclaim.
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isolation, it might look like Sanskrit. That doesnt mean the poem was written in Sanskrit. Anyway Sameer's explained it better and you arent helping things by making an emotional display of your stereotypes.
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role in Independence, would be funny if it didn't have such grave implications. That would cover the a/an/the discussion. Let me find references for you. That's why I didn't make the changes without discussion.
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And from the encyclopedia point of view, the fact is that there is a controversy associated with the song--however innocuous its content might be--and we need to mention it. Preferably in as objective way as
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Number 4 is strange. Again, do you mean ANYTHING related to India must forcefully be converted to Hindi/Devnagari? By that logic, Tagore would have to be re-written in Hindi!! Is something written in Bangla
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After nearly one year since my comment above, I went ahead and changed in the article the phrase "in a version by A. R. Rahman" to "from the movie Anand Math". Now it is consistent with the cited reference
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can you explain why you would want to do that? The lyrics are a single click away, over at wikisource. If you find other articles that provide full citation of song lyrics, please help Knowledge by moving
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The citation provided for the assertion that it is in sanskritised bengali does not establish the said fact. Infact, the citation claims that Vande Mataram is a sanskrit song. Provide better citations.
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Its a compromise. We keep both, as it is up for debate. I don't see the need to delete either, they are both valuable. Urdu (as per below) does not belong because Vande Mataram is a Hindu-influenced song.
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And I disagree with your characterization of Lord Sura; he might not be as, shall we say, compromising as you, but I see him as listening to reason without compromising his principles. I respect that. See
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by Shri Aurobindo Ghose. The text has been aligned very systematically so that someone desiring to understand its meaning with a fair knowledge of Sanskrit/Hindi will be able to do so with lesser effort.
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Sure, I don't have any problem with #5 (and the related policy), but show me a copy of Anandamath in its original form that uses Devnagari script in the part of the song. The version I read didn't have
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his name reverts to Chatterjee in the first sentence, but Chattopadhyay twice in the rest of the first paragraph, and twice in the second para. (Incidentally, he's B C Chattopadhyay in the page on
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Again you're not listening to me. :D "irreverent or negative" is not something you can measure with an oscilloscope and certify. I am telling you that there is stuff in the original that Muslims
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couldnt agree more. was going to remove it myself but was thinking of doing it one at a time - the devanagari transliteration first and then the urdu translation. thanks for removing it tho.
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thanks. The question is, can we cite a more literal translation than Aurobindo's that was published anywhere. In any case, this poem would seem to be a perfect candidate for translation into
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Read the link for Sadhubhasa provided on the page. Anyway I used Sadhubhasa as a compromise, as I would also give a judgement call of Sanskrit. Bengali words usually have endings in vowels (
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So what I understand from this is that Bengali and Devanagari versions must be there, and of course the English translation. I believe that the Urdu translation does not have a place here.
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Having devanagari in every damn article concerning india by very conveniently presuming hindi to be the natl lang or rashtra bhasha or whatever is clearly POV pushing. Deleting it is NOT!
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If you have reliable sources which says vande mataram is a "hybrid mix" of bengali & sanksrit;you can do that.But if its your OR , then I think it will not be right to make that edit.-
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Should not the tile reflect this? Say "Vande Mataram (Bankim Chandra Chatterjee)" or something like that? Or, all the different slokas that start with Vande Mataram should be included....
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the way, in Bangla, "Koti Koti", i.e. repeatation of a word signifies plural, i.e. what would be written as "Crores" in English is expressed by the duplication of the word "Koti". --
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There is a also a sanskrit slokam starting with the same words; this is very popular in South India and sung in a number of Carnatic Concerts as a sloka or as an ending veneration.
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This would be very useful. I was looking for a source or citation about the original document where the song was published, and itâd be great if Knowledge had it or a link to it.
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in English does not make it no longer the Bengali version of the song. Many Bengalis are just loath to write Bengali words phonetically in English, especially for proper names. --
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and confuses anyone reading it) I too favour one balanced view to multiple unbalanced views like Surya. If not for people like him we will have more of the mediocre articles. --
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Does anyone know who the composers of the various versions of Vande Mataram are? I think it is absolutely vital to mention the composer of the accepted (most popular) one. --
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form. I'm quite surprised to see questions about why the song is presented in Bangla script ... the article clearly mentions the song as part of a novel written in Bangla.
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song as as an anthem first by a party that claimed to represent all Indians and then as a candidate as a national song for a country that claimed to be a secular republic.
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Please, I emphasize again, show me the reference (from Indian govt, or other reliable sources)that says that the "Sanskrit version" was chosen as the national song. --
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and that it is notable enough to warrant inclusion in wikipedia per established guidelines. One this is done, a main disambiguation page can link to the various
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Dear Bharatveer, I believe that the correct way to write Vande in Devanagari would be ā¤ĩā¤ā¤ĻāĨ and not ā¤ĩā¤¨āĨā¤ĻāĨ as per your latest edits. What do you say about it ? --
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Most sources, newspapers just say its written in Sanskrit, and since those are the best sources to cite, Sanskrit script must be used to transliterate the poem.
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Convoluted logic. What is your point? What do you mean by 'prevalent only in Hindi speaking regions?'. Elaborate please or i will revert after a few hours.
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The article had not even been aware of their existence. If you want to improve coverage on the song, please consider helping improve these Wikisource pages. --
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If the song Vande Matataram is in Sanskrit,devnagari script should be retained here.I am not sure of Bengali script?Why is Bengali transliteration used here?
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I already know the story better than you can imagine. The point I was making is that the song itself does not 'insult Muslims' per se... Muslims are insulted
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the extent that Vande MAtaram did. From Bengal it spread throughout the country and that was why it was the natural first choice for the national anthem. --
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No the truth's not in the middle at all. I told you that it is 1) A Hindu characterization of the motherland and was 2) set in a controversial novel called
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I have added infobox containing Bankim Chandra's image and the enclosed the media in it too. I think you will agree that it has improved the presentation.
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Working on it. Also polishing the transliteration and translation. Not having learnt it in childhood (:D), I am going by your transliteration. See
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style to present the lyrics. So I have re-inserted the translation and transliterations in the article, albeit in a collapsible box. What say? --
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declaration of women's rights in Shadhubhasha Bengali", totally ridiculous. That sentence serves nothing but maximum obfuscation at this point.--
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I wonder if this is true? Besides I wonder if all these details shud be filled in. They would make the article more about controversies.
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Looks good to me. If we also included the Bengali Romanization next to it, it would look like this. Does this look good to others?
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it is necessary to keep the Devanagiri version. Just because of ONE POV-pushing Wikipedian we are indulging in an endless debate!
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Is it possible for some to get a transliteration for this song?? Almost all the text looks like ????????????????? !
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it doesnt ask to ditch the lyrics altogether; and i donot advocate the inclusion of full song; but one or 2 verses.
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2198:, was the "Hindi version" of Vande Matram adopted as the national song?
1979:āĻŦāĻžāĻšā§āĻ¤ā§ āĻ¤ā§āĻŽāĻŋ āĻŽāĻž āĻļāĻā§āĻ¤āĻŋ Modern Bengali grammar, basically tôdbhôb vocabulary
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Vande Mataram in BBC World Service Top Ten was not A.R. Rahman's version
1967:āĻā§ āĻŦāĻ˛ā§ āĻŽāĻž āĻ¤ā§āĻŽāĻŋ āĻ
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knowledge of Sanskrit/Hindi will be able to do so with lesser effort.
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Should this version go up, or should there also be a Bangla version?
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The meter seems to be basically the middle two syllables taken out.
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Anyway, forget my point "b" for the time being. Just answer (a).
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only song that truly depicted the pre-independence national fervour
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with it , let him keep it to himself, why should Knowledge suffer?
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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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First off, the translation written on the article page is uncited.
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spurred Indian freedom fighters further towards their cause.
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Now if we are agreeing to this and based on the discussion on
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I have gotten the version adopted by Congress transliterated:
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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Please check out the two pages on wikisource I have found.
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946:. That's exactly my point. It was not written in Hindi. --
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Anyone think the meter was inspired by the Rigveda?
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Two translations of Vande Mataram by Shri Aurobindo
2194:First of all, can you please tell me whether, like
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Why Remove the link to a muslim view of this song??
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Why this much disagreement with Pure Indian Culture
942:Ok more precisely, the original song is written in
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2129:above, just listen to the official mp3 version at
4190:... as also in the caption of his photo â but in
3764:http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7158
2505:The page is looking nice. Good job to all of you.
1117:bande Mataram is not the national song of India.
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3465:, which literally means "land" or "country"!:-)
276:, which aims to improve Knowledge's coverage of
33:for general discussion of the article's subject.
4247:C-Class Indian music articles of Top-importance
4104:How is your question consistent with the and
3930:This message was posted before February 2018.
3802:This message was posted before February 2018.
3606:In this article the following is mentioned:
2055:Pls see User: Gizza's replies . Hope it helps.
1813:a) Why do we have the Bengali transliteration?
915:, or may be a highly sanskritized version, is
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1504:The similarity with controversy here and in
1388:As for the Belgaum page, the issue there is
1041:Why cant Muslims worship their motherland?--
577:. Still looking for the Pakistani version.--
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1385:!!! What does that mean? Explain further.
1383:" Its written in what amounts to Sanskrit"
3555:Shri Aurobindo's translation in prose form
3549:Shri Aurobido's translation in poetic form
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2093:Vande Mataram - The National Song of India
2082:) we can agree on the following points -
3880:I have just modified 3 external links on
2798:Differences in the Devanagari and Bengali
2085:1.) The full song was written in Bangla.
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3522:- it seems the entire issue was on VM.)
2868:Yes, I believe Bharatveer is correct. --
2030:novel, published in 1882. The novel was
2859:No.That is an incorrect usage.-Regards-
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2020:Bankim Chandra included it as part of
1882:Knowledge:Naming conventions (Dharmic)
881:Why remove a link that explains a POV?
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3791:to let others know (documentation at
3160:: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (
4242:Top-importance Indian music articles
3621:still maintains the correct result.
2812:Thanks for noticing this. What does
2697:shujolang shufolang môloeôjoshitolam
2220:Provide references for your #3 point
2043:is not dead, but rather thriving? --
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2555:phulla kusumita drumadalaÅobhinÄĢm
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2659:sujalÄm suphalÄm malayajaÅÄĢtalÄm
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1079:vande mataram in MP3 format =
396:and see a list of open tasks.
334:This article is supported by
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1029:Check out the version here:
995:I did. Can someone check? --
986:The Song in Bengali alphabet
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2717:shukhodang bôrodang matorom
2559:sukhadÄm varadÄm mÄtaram "
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1946:If you want to be precise:
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2091:4.) This article is about
1157:Devanagari transliteration
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4060:already said it violated
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3707:tag for Bengali words! --
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3457:. Curiously enough, the
3211:Lyrics in collapsible box
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2520:Transliteration (again)
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2649:Devanagari
2230:less Indian
2131:mp3 version
2127:2.) and 3.)
2095:, not just
1773:West Bengal
739:movement.--
643:possible.--
532:by the song
148:free images
31:not a forum
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4179:Chatterjee
4062:WP:NOTNEWS
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3993:Report bug
3709:Tito Dutta
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1006:Jadorepies
923:or may be
693:a, an, the
3976:this tool
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3848:this tool
3841:this tool
3643:K. Sethu
3512:performed
3360:drumadala
2967:words."--
2843:Vande ???
2450:Vandalism
2368:Sarvagnya
2297:Bishshash
2182:Sarvagnya
2170:Sarvagnya
2158:Sarvagnya
2146:and hence
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1163:Sarvagnya
619:Anandmath
88:if needed
71:Be polite
21:talk page
4036:WP:UNDUE
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3982:Cheers.â
3854:Cheers.â
3742:cbignore
3655:K. Sethu
3633:K. Sethu
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3341:pulakita
3156:citation
2909:Language
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2511:Bakatalk
2501:Good Job
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1680:shastram
1670:ending (
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1299:Bakatalk
1265:Bakatalk
1258:WP:CIVIL
925:Sanskrit
559:sense?--
427:Untitled
56:get help
29:This is
27:article.
4106:WP:TPNO
4082:Rigveda
4066:My Lord
4017:WP:NPOV
3886:my edit
3864::Online
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3736:my edit
3674:SASSOTO
3584:SASSOTO
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3520:Outlook
3485:Outlook
3398:(Check
3385:sukhadÄ
3350:: night
3315:suphalÄ
3305:: Hail!
3198:SASSOTO
2891:Bakaman
2849:APandey
2737:Bakaman
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2338:Beowulf
2135:APandey
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1819:was not
1785:Turkish
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1688:Bakaman
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1579:MANOJTV
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316:on the
199:C-class
154:WPÂ refs
142:scholar
4124:Lyrics
3789:failed
3750:nobots
3712:(Talk)
3692:(Talk)
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3348:yÄminÄĢ
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3131:â via
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2805:Arvind
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2289:lokkhi
2114:google
2068:Please
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1777:Bengal
1672:amitam
1664:Kothai
1293:Hindi.
1275:why?
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921:Bangla
913:Bangla
205:scale.
126:Google
3611:: -->
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3524:rudra
3493:rudra
3467:rudra
3425:. --
3408:rudra
3303:vande
3233:those
3074:Arjun
3064:says
3011:Arjun
2885:than
2819:Ragib
2429:sloka
2411:- N.
2252:Gizza
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1660:Bhalo
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856:Ankur
787:Ankur
769:Ankur
448:below
399:Songs
390:songs
365:Songs
289:India
278:India
233:Music
228:India
169:JSTOR
130:books
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