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dance event. I think it might make more sense to divide the types by “Dance” and “Dance event.” In addition, it seems that the square dancing described in the “Square dance” paragraph under the “England” heading is MWSD. Could someone confirm this? I think all the information about MWSD in the main types section should be consolidated in the paragraph describing MWSD, but I don’t want to move the
England square dance description if it is actually a different type of square dance. I’ll also be looking at re-ordering the information in the body sections so that each square dance type is discussed in the same order in all sections.
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English country dancing) has made it into squares -- yet. On the other hand, "California twirl," "Star through," and "Swat the flea" (all subentries under "Twirl to swap") were borrowed into contras from modern Western squares, as was "Dixie twirl." None of those four can be called a traditional square dance step, at least not by its present name. Eventually the articles on contra dance, square dance, traditional square dance, and modern Western square dance should probably be revised to reflect an accurate picture of those dance forms' similarities and differences.
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I'm surprised to see no mention of the overwhelming French influence on square dancing. Take a second look at some of the main calls: dosado comes from the French "dos-a-dos" (back-to-back), allemande comes from the French "á la main" (to the hand), promenade comes from the French "promenade" (walk
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article does something similar in that it provides a few paragraphs on the history of hip-hop, and then some of the articles about the main types of hip-hop discuss the history of that type. I plan on working to add a history section to this article in the next couple of weeks as part of some larger
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I just added a section to the Talk page of the "Modern western square dance" article. The gist of it is that I think all of SD history belongs together, to avoid conflicting viewpoints in different articles. But should it be under "Square dance", which until now has been limited to pointing out the
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I've made a stopgap revision to the paragraph in question, so readers won't think all square and contra calls are identical. While I was at it, I cut the average number of calls used at a trad dance from 40-50 to 10-30, which is more in line with my experience. Although I dance mainly in the modern
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The inference is not true; not all of them are common to squares and contras. "Cloverleaf" as defined in the "Contra dance choreography" article is completely different from "Cloverleaf" in squares. "Turn contra corners" is never done in squares, and I don't think "Mad Robin" (which was borrowed by
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I know this is a really delayed answer, but I think there should be a history section in the "Square dance" article. Because the article discusses so many different types, and because the main types section provides a little history information already, I think a history section is appropriate and
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I will be making edits as I go, but I’ll be working out larger edits in a sandbox before I implement them. I will add the link to the sandbox once I get going with that. If you have any advice or insight, I’d love to hear it since I’m new to
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I think a comparison of steps that are performed differently in the two types of square dancing would be useful. Allemande was the only one I could recall clearly from both that differed for a sensible reason. Perhaps you are more knowledgable than me and can suggest another step. I can think of
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There was a lot of exchange of ideas between France and the British Isles during the 1700s and 1800s, when the cotillion and the quadrille (the immediate predecessors of the square dance) were popular. English dancing masters used a lot of French terms; French was (and is) the language of dance
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True enough -- it was more of a prompt thant a request for permission. I was running out of gas, and wanted to prompt someone, or myself, on a next step for the article. If someone knew the history off the top of their head it would be easier for them than for me to dig around and put something
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For example, the "Allemande Right" is traditionally performed by grasping right hands with the other dancer, leaning backwards slightly, and walking around a central axis. In Western dance the grip is modified so that each dancer grips the arm of the other, and there is less leaning. These
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I think that the remaining paragraph stands well enough without the detailed comparison. If however you feel that a comparison is necessary I would encourage the comparison to be made to a currently used, widespread call (i.e. that appears on today's Callerlab list).
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I have danced 'real' contras and squares most of my life, but I took a 6-12 month course (can't remember which) in Mainstream Plus Western square dance many years ago. I agree with your suggestion and we will see if someone adds to this discussion in the future.
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contra and square dancing. I don't know whether or not that inference is true, or if any discrepancy therein is significant, so I mention this for the consideration of others who do know and can decide if it's worth a revision of this section. --rich<
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for those who wish to identify themselves on their user pages as square dancers. I think this would be a nice way to form a little subcommunity for ourselves in Wikipedialand. Hope to see others of you "square up" in this virtual set.
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41:Start-class
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