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Agreed that until recently frame vs unibody was a simple way to distinguish SUV vs CUV. Practically every car definition has some grey area. But as long as it is only a very small number of cars, I'm happy to ignore it. After all, there is no formal definition of SUV or CUV - both are marketing speak
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True dat. But if SUVs weren't available other cars would have been bought instead, so it's a bit of a silly claim. It's also worth pointing that SUVs were only about 1/3 as much as the biggest contributor. The entire guardian article reads like a child's essay bashing SUVs. Cars have got heavier
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