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like a good idea. The two concepts are different, and the overlap/confusion can be explained in that articles about those two concepts. As to what Republic means, I think it goes further than not having a monarch, although that is certainly implied. The concept also implies that a state is governed in the interests of the people generally. The leaders lead on behalf of the population, rather than being rulers who rule the population. So they can not be dictatorships or autocracies. When dictatorships call themselves republics then they are claiming not to be dictatorships, so that is not necessarily a problem for the definition of the term.--
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just how much interesting discussion goes into this debate. In my opinion: a state ruled by representatives of a citizen body is called an indirect democracy; a republic has a head of state that is not a monarch but a (directly or indirectly) elected citizen. But have a read of this it may be interesting and it shows my point with some very good sources to follow up on:
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democratic republics (Iceland, Finland, Ireland, etc.), there are dictatorships that are republics (Myanmar, North Korea, the Central African Republic, etc.), there are highly democratic monarchies (Norway, New Zealand, Sweden, etc.), and there are dictatorships that are monarchies (Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Swaziland, etc.).
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There seems to be two competing definitions of what a republic is and ultimately rests on "people choose representatives through elections". This may be confusing because that is literally the definition of an indirect democracy. Personally I think this article is misleading as it doesn't acknowledge
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Normally on Knowledge we would not be guided too much by how words are used in informal regional discourse, but we might mention such variants in the relevant articles in order to avoid confusion. I think creating a second article about Republics which says that they are democracies does not sound
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At some level what we have here is just a difference over language. The classic notion of a republic is a state not ruled by a monarch or hereditary nobility. It might be a direct democracy, a representative democracy, or not democratic whatsoever. This is the sense in which (for example) the
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While correct, your choice of heading is extremely unfortunate, given that whether a country is a democracy or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether a country is a republic or not. It's two completely different dimensions, and they have nothing to do with each other. There are highly
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So I'd say that the United States is a democracy and a republic (has a president as head of state). The UK is a democracy and a constitutional monarchy (has the King as head of state). I won't edit the page because I'm new and also I think it warrants discussion first.
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As Knowledge is not a dictionary, normally the correct solution to a single word used with different meanings is to have separate articles for the distinct meanings. That might be challenging in this case, given the complicated historical overlap.
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This is unsupported by the source. The Marriam Webster entry does support the idea that "republic" is the english version of numerous other translations of "res publica", but not that the latin "res publica" originated from the greed "politeia".
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Original text as the following. Why power within a republic could be obtained through autocracy? I don't believe it. The primary positions of power within a republic are not inherited, but are attained through democracy, oligarchy or autocracy.
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Perhaps the map would be clearer if it deemphasizes the minor differences between types of republics by using shades of the same color for republics, and shades of the same color for autocracies? For example, a map could use this color scheme:
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goes, both the US and the UK are indirect democracies (the choice is not made directly by popular vote), and that an indirect democracy can be incompletely described as a government with its head officer(s) chosen by the people, and that
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On the other hand, there's a different sense of the word that focuses more on representative democracy. This is the sense probably more used in informal discourse in the United States, but I think not so much in the rest of the
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references? There is no need to request semi-protection as this was quite possibly a minor case of vandalism, and the original editor thought that it was funny to hide nonsense under references because no one reads them.
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should come into play). I think the article used to assert this pretty plainly, but it doesn't seem to do that any longer I'm not really qualified to opine but I would say that. as far as choosing the
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I'm no topical expert here, but I think that the simplistic assertion that a Republic is anything which is not a Monarchy is ridiculous, even if some sources support that definition (and, if some do,
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section, and I saw a picture of "Thomas Corwins speech in senate Against the Mexican-American War"
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The French article is not very good, but gives a very good Republic illustration:
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I was reading the article and scrolled down to the bottom of the article, in the
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/R%C3%A9publique#/media/File:Daumier_R%C3%A9publique.jpg
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is probably a good label for such an incomplete description. I think the
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