1015:– Hi, I'm an EMC/RSA employee reviewing our presence on Knowledge. I suggest that the name of this page change to RSA, The Security Division of EMC. When EMC acquired the company in 2006, it became a division of EMC. Its official name is now RSA, The Security Division of EMC. In fact, this name is already noted in Knowledge, above the quick facts box on the right side of this page and also in the first line of the page entry. I suggest the name of the page reflect the official name of the company, and that RSA Security redirect to the newly titled RSA, The Security Division of EMC.
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who would never use or need one, so that they could narrow their pool of "suspects" to only those that were willing to put extra effort into hiding their "suspicious" activities. Meaning that the NSA isn't dabbling in ecryption here, they are doing PsyOps; getting suspect people to self-declare and denying them the ability to hide themselves inside the mass of people that have no need for, and do not use effective encryption. Thought I'd throw this into the mix, in case it's useful, and there are sources that might support the idea's possible, future inclusion.
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this standard was forced by the government because NDA had their ways around it, no one utilizes Dual_EC_DRBG anymore, in fact, almost no one utilizes ECC type solutions anymore due to the faultiness that was discovered. I digress...RSA does not utilize any code provided by the NSA or any other organization that would have "back doors" into secure data.
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It is properly supported by the cited sources, which is the primary basis on which content is allowed to be on
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While reading I kept looking for the "why" of it, i.e. Why did the NSA put so much effort into promoting a flawed method of encryption that would never be used by anyone that knew anything about encryption. I think it would be helpful to include some ideas of "why" into this excellenct, well-written
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And your reasoning and/or explanation for not editing out false and defamatory language? The reference being made is an incorrect understanding of FIPS certifications and many other items relating to an old Dual_EC_DRBG standard of crypto that was forced upon many companies...when it was found that
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You're entitled to disagree, but I don't believe that "RSA, The
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There may be a place in this article for the text about RSA's "adversarial relationship" with NSA, but it's not in the right place now. I presume the main point of it is to note that RSA was a foe of NSA until it was suborned by the agency. But structurally, it doesn't make sense to go from
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Connecting these two ideas, that the NSA delibarately promoted a flawed encryption standard with the idera that "guilty" people will behave differently than "innocent" people, it occurs to me that the entirety of this NSA effort may have been to promote a flawed encryption standard to "the masses"
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Hey, guys, I'm here from the 3O board. I'd say that just disambiguating it as "RSA (EMC division)" or some such thing is the least awkward way of doing it. "The
Security Divison of EMC" is just too long and really just beside the point. It's not so much that it's advertising, it's that it seems
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That isn't the only issue. A Knowledge article title's purpose is to identify the subject and distinguish it from others. In my view, "RSA (security firm)" best accomplishes that. "RSA, The
Security Division of EMC", conversely, best supports the company's marketing efforts (hence an employee's
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This company knows a lot about individuals and there should be a way to opt out of these databases. I have learned some of the thinks this company knows about be by using etrade which uses them. Does any one know how to find out exactly what they know about someone. Something like a credit report.
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I will skip the explanation as to how we deduce that the ratio of the two primes, is about 137/207. The method involves an algorithm and a test of 'squareness'. We know if the two primes 'P' and 'Q' form a rectangle of given proportions, a similar much smaller rectangle with the same proportions,
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It is false and defamatory language being used. The so-called sources being used are vague hit-pieces from over a decade ago with regarding a product that RSA does not provide. Furthermore, there is no proof or evidence of any such "NSA connections" because they do not exist. There is nothing
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I know this comment is ironic and/or sarcastic, but it raises a question I've had. How confident are we of the $ 10m figure cited by
Reuters? They don't give their source; in particular, they don't attribute it to the Snowden leak compendium. Should we require more of a citation than a single
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like a description more than a name, and titles just aren't supposed to be descriptive like that. It's just too cumbersome with that long phrase tacked on the end. I know that having something in parentheses is pretty cumbersome too, but at least we have some flexibility that way to improve it.
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I don't see anything in WP:TRADEMARK that supports our current title. At most it might suggest "RSA Security, a division of EMC" as better matching
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Furthermore, the "articles" that are being sourced are not transparent and even contradict the statements themselves. Not to mention they are not legitimate and substantiated sources for true reporting. Reuters has many issues with its reporting, but if we ignore those problems, it is an
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I'm just removing a list of competitors from this page. To be fair and unbiased we should either include competitors to all pages describing companies or leave them away. Including them is difficult and is hard to do without bias. Thus it is better to remove the list of competitors.
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I am an in-house counsel for RSA. I believe that makes me a "paid contributor" making this request. I have been informed by my superiors that they do intend to take actions if these false claims are not removed. Please assist me in clearing up this mess. Thank you
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Where it was before it was in chronological order, which I think made the most sense. RSA Security's fight for the right to private encryption and against the
Clipper Chip is plenty notable on its own, without having to tie it as a afterthought to Dual_EC_DRBG.
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I'm not sure that's enough of an improvement to warrant a change. In general, I prefer the terms in a parenthetical disambig be clear to a reader unfamiliar with the subject. I think its time to concede the argument to David and move on. Thanks for your help,
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This 25 digit dual-prime composite, illustrates my point, I constructed it with the help of my telephone directory and a pin and using the nearest prime integer. You may need Windows Calculator to follow the protocol. First enter the dual-prime composite:-
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I meant it as a list of important companies manufacturing similar products. I think that this information is very important when you are looking for a certain solution which is produced by more companies. You can find similar links in other articles under
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Currently in the article RSA is listed being "an American computer and network security company". How about we drop the security from this definition, as the company surely isn't about security at all? (Ref. December 20, 2013 backdoor for 10M$ .)
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With all of that being said, I would like an explanation as to why you are supporting false and defamatory language, and I would like to know if you even bothered to look at and/or read the "sources" that are presenting this false information.
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These edits removed well-cited material; the editor(s) left change notices but declined to explain the deletions at the article's Talk page. It appears, therefore, that someone at EMC is trying to delete text deemed unfavorable to the company.
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Where it was before presented straddled the NSA Dual_EC_DRBG backdoor section in chromo order -- that is, it described events both before and after, which was confusing. Where it is now gives context to the shift from adversarial to partner.
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It isn't clear that this company is independently notable; it also has a cleanup tag since 2012 and is somewhat promotional in nature. Since its products are now apparently part of RSA Security, perhaps the content should be merged there.
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This is an old request, but I'm inclined to agree with it. Our policy is to prefer common names over formal titles in general, but when a name must be disambiguated, a natural name is preferred over using parenthesis, as we have now. See
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