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1186:@Shovon76 Anu Malik's wikipedia article clearly mentions the songs he's been accused of plagiarising, including the Godfather theme. I don't understand why you're going after the ethnicity and all. That's not a good thing to do. And i beleive that in Pritam's case, the hype is much more because most of his work seems to be plagiarised, and while those numbers are so catchy and popular, one feels bad for the people who made those catchy tunes themselves and got no credit to it. while Anu Malik quit doing this a while ago. What I want to say is that you may remove the plagiarism mention from the introduction, but at least let my edit in the plagiarism section remain. How does it show a bias? Anu malik's page lists the songs he's been accused of plagiarising. Why do you want to protect Pritam this way by hiding references to the songs he has supposedly plagiarised? I can bring up the ethnicity issue, too, but that's not a good thing to do.
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Karthik, so why does it bother you?" simply puzzles me. What bothers me is not your attacks on "a certain Karthik", but the fact that you make attacks based on ethnicity. Anyway, answer my first question, otherwise, even I might send you a message not to vandalise Pritam's article by deleting the ALLEGED plagiarism, showing favouritism, and thus ignoring the neutral point of view, which you uphold.
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I dont know what people like shovon76 have achieved by constantly fighting off plagiarism section in this article. Most people who listen to hindi music know that Pritam has plagiarized most of his songs and nearly all of his hits. His fans know that also and love him regardless of that. Only thing
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I have just semi-protected the article for a week due to the section blanking involving this subject. I see that the debate is not a new one. My opinion is that there are reliable sources that mention the plagiarism, but the most of what I see are blog listings. The essential information should be
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The songs Bheegi Bheegi and Jaane Kyun Tanha Ho Gaye are appropritely credited. Also, Pritam bought their rights to use them. These can't be considered as copy. Also, Judai (Jannat) has been appropriately credited to 82'Rocker, who are using the song as their own composition. So, plagiarism issues
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Hi, you got my point totally wrong and skirted a bit of it. The point I made was, let plagiarism remain as a different section in the article as has been the case with others. And regarding the ethnicity, I did not say anything about you or any other fellow editors. I had only commented about a
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