Talk:Princess Charlotte of Wales (born 2015)/Archive 1

1132:. This pregnancy is not notable enough as such, other than as part of the mother's biography, and as it may affect the public engagements of the parents. The notability is due to the anticipated birth of the expected child as fourth in the line of succession. If, unhappily, the pregnancy terminates before the birth, we would not expect there to be a separate article. The present article is in the expectation of the birth, when the article's name will be changed, as happened for big brother George, and it will be continued biographically as befits the notability. If the pregnancy is terminated, the name "Second child..." would be discontinued and be available in the event of a further pregnancy. Actually, if no source supports the supposition about the number of the pregnancy it would be indelicate to make an implication either way. 3516: 2000: 3804:

8 pounds 3 ounces (3.71 kg) at St Mary's Hospital, London. The Duke of Cambridge was present at the birth. The baby was delivered by Alan Farthing, surgeon-gynaecologist to the Duke's grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, and Guy Thorpe-Beeston, an expert in high-risk pregnancies and surgeon-gynaecologist of the Royal Household; both were present at the birth of the Cambridges' first child, Prince George, in 2013. She made her first public appearance, outside the hospital with her parents, on 2 May. ... On 4 May, .... her name was confirmed as Charlotte Elizabeth Diana....(end)

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making articles for people whose only achievement is being born, why not simply give every human on the planet an article? I'm not saying that I think the article should be permanently removed, but I think that this, and George's have very little need to exist until either of them actually do something noteworthy.

897:. That has sufficient factual basis and relevance for inclusion, but may be removed when its notability fades with the passage of time. I feel it will do no harm to the article at this stage to add external link which includes pictures of the event, showing the father and the absence of the mother.< ref : --> 4899:

Can anyone find the actual gift list? I read it's been released, but it seems to have drowned in stories about how it's been released. A lot of those stories mention ten or so, but they're always the same ten or so. Whether or not we use it for the article, it would be nice to hear what the forgotten

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On 8 September 2014, Clarence House announced that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were expecting the birth of their second child. ... In October 2014, Kensington Palace announced that the baby was expected in April 2015. On 2 May 2015, at 08:34 BST, the Duchess gave birth to a daughter who weighed

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And before that happens, she's likely to become third, and then potentially second, depending on when George has children versus when Charles and then William each becomes King. Her likely path is not just down, since, unlike what happened with Charles and Princess Anne, she and George are very young

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The regular birth date and age template doesn't account for infants under the age of one, so if we used that one, it would show her age as 0. The age for infant template, which is being used here on Charlotte's page, properly lists her age in months, but I'm afraid the inlusion of the days is just a

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In addition to the historic aspects, there is also the fact that numerous media are reporting that each of the Royal Babies is responsible for tens of millions of pounds being boosted into the UK economy. The Mirror has run a story that suggests Charlotte by herself could generate as much as billion

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Her birth was notable because multiple, independent mainstream sources noted the hell out of it. Doesn't matter that it wasn't hard, or that a hundred thousand are doing likewise right now, or that all babies look the same. We need to reflect the reality of the world, even if it seems stupid, unfair

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I believe that this detail is important in the context of the article because - according to the information cited to footnote no.4 it was her being absent from this particular event that was the reason why the palace decided to make the announcement. While listing all the other events she is going

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If somebody would be kind enough to move that sentence ("The baby was born in the Lindo Wing of St Mary's Hospital, London, the wing in which her brother George, father William, and uncle Prince Harry were all born.") to the Birth section, I'll look at the edit and learn how to do it for next time.

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You could say it's important to note that on the day she was supposed to do an event at Oxford and her inability to attend it is what caused the palace to make the announcement. However, is it really necessary add the details of the event? If you leave it just at she was supposed to do an event at

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What appears, or doesn't, in any other article is not relevant here. Each article is independent of each other and they may each have different editor groups. There is no central coordinator ensuring synchronisation. If you disagree please explain why you think this article should only contain what

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Looks like a tabloid to me. Not sure if you realised that if there's multiple birth, not all the babies will come out at the same time, but rather it will come out one by one, so I don't understand how you came to that conclusion that "the person supervising the birth will decide which of the twins

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I'm not sure that she's named Charlotte after her grandfather. Elizabeth is the name of her great-grandmother but is also the middle name of her mother and maternal grandmother. About Diana, it's completely clear that she's named after her paternal grandmother, the late Diana, Princess of Wales. I

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Everybody knows that the royal family are actually shape-changing lizard people, so of course it isn't a real baby. Why has it taken so long for the Russians to realise it?Everybody knows that the royal family are actually shape-changing lizard people, so of course it isn't a real baby. Why has it

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I thunk it was hinted by The Duke or Duchess that their first child would be a girl. Moving the page on speculation would be rather silly. A source naming the child is not reliable, that name is pretty much decided by the parents in conjunction with the Prince Charles and the Queen, and they would

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The relevance to the pregnancy is in the article - did you miss it? It is that there is verifiable speculation that the news of the pregnancy may had an impact on the outcome of the referendum. To discuss why this reliably verifiable information is not in that other article, well you need to go to

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That was a jocular response in kind to Martinevans123. As you know, "Right Honourable" Ed Milliband = status of Privy Counsellor. It may be that Milliband was not aware of what his words could be taken to signify. But his remark also chimes (like 13) with Orwell's critique of Labour (socialist)

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It strikes me as bizarre that we are making articles on Knowledge for babies who have yet to do anything of note in their lives because they are infants. Perhaps when the princess has actually done something of note this article may seem worthwhile, but all Charlotte has done is be born! If we're

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addded some trivia to the title and style section, it has been removed by two different users but has been put back in because other stuff exists. Perhaps it should be removed from the other articles as it is just trivia and bloat in this article as she is clearly a princess and we already have a

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If I remember right, the page for Prince George was titled "Child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge" until his name was revealed. It seems to be the way to have the fewest moves - what's the point in moving it now, only to move it back to Second Child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge when

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That is unwarranted press speculation about a current political issue, devoid of any supporting fact, and wholly unrelated to the information about the pregnancy as such. It is out of place in this article and should be removed. The article as a whole is being considered for deletion. There is no

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Is this question going to be asked every time a tabloid claims that Catherine's having a girl? They claimed she was having a girl during her last pregnancy too, and look how that turned out. If we follow the precedent of George, then the page will be moved to either "Son/Daughter of the Duke and

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I've moved the link up and into the article itself as a direct inline citation (rather than as an 'external link' where it was more awkward). This has replaced the second citation of the original press-release as the information in this Oxford University news item can be used to justify the same

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If George dies or abdicates without issue, it is possible that Charlotte could become Queen. That's how Elizabeth became queen; had Edward VIII managed to have any children before taking the throne and before the Wallis-Simpson business, that child would have become monarch upon his abdication.

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But why? What's objectionable about having the full name at the beginning, like in any article on a commoner? I can understand the logic in Queen Elizabeth's article, since her full name is rather long and cumbersome, but Princess Charlotte's full name is "Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Diana of

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I'm saying the pregnancy announcement had nothing to do with the Scottish Referendum. That's why it's not mentioned at the Referendum article. The only people who suggested it was relevant were speculative journalists. I don't think Knowledge is the right place for speculative journalism.

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As the idea that this sentence should to appear in the Scottish Independence article was suggested several times - I figured I would go in and "sofixit" myself directly. I was going to wait for a day to see if there was any followup editing/comments/reversion before pointing it out here.

3900:, my mother tongue. Today, to my amazement, from the text that I copied over yesterday (that I needed citations for on af:wiki) have all disappeared! (reason given by the author: "Trimming update: rmv previous news no longer notable, and more recent non-factual and unnotable opinion.") 398:

I'm not sure what you mean by "P.C. status" but I think you're reading a bit too much into the comment. George is going to be a big brother - in that he is going to have a younger sibling, thus making him a brother that is bigger. It's a fairly common term outside of the Orwellian use.

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There is no consensus to move, an no change in the situation from the last time this move was suggested. This is not a reliable source for what is, in effect, a BLP article. I argue that this should be moved ONLY when the child is born and has been announced officially with a NAME.

3077:. That principle is the basic reason, and the details that follow normally produce an acceptable result, as in this and many other articles. Uniformity with such guidance is generally the better way to edit, and while there may be exceptions, none come to mind at this moment. 531:

The speculation is notable if it comes from a notable commentator. If more than one notable commentator makes speculates similarly, as in this case, then it becomes even more notable. That it is reliably sourced too makes it verifiable. It ticks all the boxes that I can see.

612:). which I believe is an unfair/hostile description of this well footnoted and neutrally-written sentence. I also don't believe this section of the talkpage indicates a consensus to remove the sentence. Finally I note that at least three people on the deletion discussion ( 4592:

That was only apparent while they were still apparently Russian. Though none of the tabloids that said they were have corrected themselves yet, so I guess they still are, by my "baby is special" logic. You're right. Pro-Kremlin babies aren't officially magnificent, but

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And I'm not claiming they'd say any such thing. I'm suggesting that it's an allowable deviation from "correct English" to avoid a number of other more awkward alternatives, and to avoid the present title, which many regard as inaccurate and presumptuous.

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BOLD or not, the points mentioned in Wittylama's comment (21:51, 13 September) are irrelevant to the edit undone, and fail to address the ones that matter, namely, relevance to the mother's pregnancy, and, if the information is notable, why is it not at

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I propose to delete the section "Pregnancy announcement", as Charlotte is now born. I think it's not relevant for an encyclopedia to have all details on announcement of a pregnancy. Please compare e.g. the article on her father, Prince William.

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Religion should only ever be mentioned on a living person if it's self-confessed. Sure, there's the off-chance that this baby could one day be the head of the C of E, but right now it's not entirely relevant. So I agree with the above for now

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Probably needs to be discussed as most of the stuff Qexigator deleted has been overtaken by events and is now not really needed, it was probably just included to fill out the article when we had little to say before she was born.

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p.s. I think it's interesting how much work and discussion is going in to this article when it is currently up for deletion and with a majority of people (including people actively helping here!) saying that it should be deleted.

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The Princess's full name Is Charlotte Elizabeth Diana,Charlotte after her grandfather,Prince Charles Of Wales,Elizabeth after her Great-Grandmother,Queen Elizabeth II,and Diana after her late grandmother,Princess Diana Of Wales.

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Be careful, don't get too riled up about the little details. Let's just wait until the little one's born and then we can get all the facts straight (like gender, birthdate, obviously) and a whole lot more. Oh, and get a picture.

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I thought that, too, so I deleted all my temporary files and made sure my blocking stuff was turned on. Tried again, and bam. Still there. It's also moved up from virtually nowhere to 25/1 on William Hill since yesterday. So

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Duchess of Cambridge" once he/she is born and the gender is announced, then will be moved again to "Prince/Princess X of Cambridge" once his/her name is announced. There's no reason to move this page before there's a birth.

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The new born princess neither has, nor is expected to have, the name "NN". That cipher communicates no information, and has no place here. The name will be known soon enough, and that is the time to alter the article title.

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Hello is not a suitable source for BLPs, and the Duchess is a living person. Talking about twins is original research unless a reliable source can be found that discusses the issue of the Duchess being pregnant with twins.

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There is really no need to repeat yourself. The discussion is not that long. The article does and does not follow the Manual of Style, since the Manual of Style is contradictory when it comes to this in more than one way.

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Some media reports suggested that the pregnancy announcement would have an effect on the outcome of the Scottish independence referendum, scheduled to take place less than a fortnight later, providing a boost to pro-union

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Change "both were present at Prince George's 2013 birth." to "both were present at Prince George's birth in 2013." as a grammatical edit as the current statement gives the impression that he has had more than one birth.

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It's true that a pregnancy is not a solo-act, but it's still just not correct English. It might be fashionable these days for couples to say "we're pregnant" but the phrase for that is "our baby" not "our pregnancy".

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Given that the information and source should be in the article, the question is about how to present it. First, the information is in the section 'Title and style'. Secondly, the opener is similar to the format for

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I recommend that the article stay with its present title until the child is given a name. Then it can be moved to "Prince xyz of Cambridge" or "Princess xyz of Cambridge" following the precedent of its older brother

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In the third paragraph of the Pregnancy Announcement section, there is information regarding the birth. I'm not sure how to move it (because I'm still learning how to Wiki and because it has a reference number).

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Given as George is not yet the first son of the first son of the monarch, his isn't all that straight-forward yet.... But, based on the precedent of the Queen's grandchildren, probably when they're about 17-18.

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OK, Wittylama (15:47, 14 September) no prob. That's where its relevance may prevail over its marginal notability as a peripheral part of a day or two's politicking and journalistic disinformative space-filling.

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When will Charlotte and George have (coats of) arms? George's would be fairly straight-forward as the first son on the first son of the Monarch. What would Charlotte's be and they would be on a lonzenge,

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A change of article name is totally unncecessary, even if the information were to be confirmed by the parents authorising certified medical disclosure, which could be mentioned in the article.

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does not and will not make it relevant to the ante-natal or post-natal biography of the child, as yet unborn, which is the topic of the article. The press speculation has now been added to

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At the moment, the lead in only says "Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (Charlotte Elizabeth Diana; born 2 May 2015)" - excluding the "Her Royal Highness" which is on her birth certificate.

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as once moved, Someone would disagree so would be re-moved again and so would be a huge merry-go-round ... To save confusion edit wars and arguments imho It should just be left as it is .–

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If that is all that can be said in its favour, then it should be removed. Why notable? The source for this kind of unfactual speculation does not make it either notable or relevant here.

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We know now she had one child, so that speculation from 2012 was incorrect. The announcement from the palace this week explicitly says "child", so all this talk of twins is unnecessary.

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It seems out of character for the royals to disclose such information. Many sources state reportedly. Even if the report was truthful, ultrasound interpretations can be got wrong.

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have a religion parameter in this infobox? If "baptized in the Church of England" is not deemed suitable, I would say that the next best option is removing the parameter altogether.

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The articles did not exist when those three exemplary gentlemen reached said age (we only waited 536 years before making an article on Cabral), but I understand your logic

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Oxford and didn't because of the pregnancy then you can remove two of the citations within the sentence, as it's all covered by the Clarence House pregnancy announcement.

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which removed the discussion of how some media have speculated a link between the Socttish independence referendum and the announcement of this pregnancy. My edit diff:

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I think Princess Charlotte is defiantly noteworthy. Has she don't anything noteworthy other than being born, no. But she is a person of interest all around the world.

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The website is a tabloid paper that doesn't have any named sources. Unless there's an official announcement that she's having a girl everything else is speculation.

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Rose, it was just a figure of speech. Too late now, and wouldn't want want to jinx it. If I've influenced anything, all credit is irrevocably released to Knowledge.

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but headings had not been introduced in George's article until the birth was imminent, and in the meantime headings are not needed here and would be better removed.

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The Duke and Duchess were expected to...open the Dickson Poon ... China Centre Building at ... Oxford on 8 September, but ... the Duchess ... was unable to attend

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I see. Nowadays people are more wary about ascribing philosophical views to infants, but the infobox would read better if it simply said "Church of England"

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The article mentions media reports suggesting that the pregnancy announcement would have an effect on the outcome of the Scottish independence referendum,

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Is this usually mentioned? Is it needed here? Is it mere padding? Why not link to an article which elaborates on the usual practice in such cases?

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byproduct of using that template. In a month and a half when she turns one, it will be removed and replaced with the birth date and age template.

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Of course there are objections. Pages should only be moved without a requested move if there is no previous discussion of the article title.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Aye, but if the denomination as religion is good enough for her great-great-great-grandfather's Featured Article, it's probably OK here

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rmv irrelevant information about non-factual partisan speculation about an extraneous political activity- may belong elsewhere: see Talk

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Can editors (on both sides) be expected to be more or less indignant in this debate than they were in the very similar one we had over

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Her full name and title is Her Royal Highness Princess Charlotte Elizabeth Diana of Cambridge - as shown on her birth certificate:-

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noted women arguing that Middleton's newborn doesn't look like theirs did, therefore she sat on it (figuratively) for a few days.

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http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/kate-middleton-prince-william-baby-girl-palace-confirms-name-of-daughter-margaret-elizabeth/

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A temporary situation, that will be gradually reversed, assuming George marries & produces progeny, for generations to come.

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Then grandchildren, and great-gr ..... She and her progeny will just get progressively lower in the order with such events. --

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Yes. It may be SYN and (well) OR, but does the last comment rightly hint at the gentleman's P.C. status? No need to answer on a

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I was going to surrender, but found a more reputable "weapon". Queen Margaery Tyrell, sigil a golden rose, is, according to

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But assuming the top four suddenly die (yacht accident or something), we'd have a baby queen. That'd be cute, for a while.

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I think this was resolved, probably independently. If there's something else you want done, do describe in greater detail.

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What event (if it were to happen before she becomes England's new ruler) would demote her position from fourth to fifth??

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which seems barely relevant to the topic. But if that is acceptable, the article could also mention that Ed Miliband, the

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Oh look, it's just appeared! Someone must think it's relevant over there. But I still think it's irrelevant media froth.

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think we can add a sentence to her article and also Diana's saying that she is named in honour of her. When I search

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voted to "delete". Therefore, I believe that it should at least not be removed while the deletion debate is ongoing.

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I will do this. Some editors may feel it is UNDUE or violates some other WP but support here will be welcomed by....

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.

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But if you Google "telegraph alice diana carole", "Rose" comes first in that list, at least on the results page.

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with the full name unformatted and the rest in bold... In practice, this means for example an article on Queen

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That may be a reasonable surmise (not strictly "logical"), but "...declared..." would be even less acceptable:

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Coming from such a prominent politician, that may be notable as an inadvertent (or intentional?) reference to

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If the birth results in twins, the person supervising the birth will decide which of the twins was born first.

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I don't know how to, but can someone update the age in days? or is the how many days old she is even useful?

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Fun Fact: The day that may one day be the new Queen of England and Scotland's birthday is also the day the

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Do you happen to speak enough Russian to find the actual article? They all seem to link to that home page.

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This article has already been nominated for deletion and, after extensive discussion, the decision was to

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I agree. Do you think Charlotte knew she was being baptised? We won't know if she raised any objections.

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Agree. Has no basis in fact whatsoever. Not really sure it's notable as part of global reaction/comment.

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Biologically that is true. But isn't this regarded as a "joint enterprise?" I bet he had a hand in it!

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The speculation is notable and reliably sourced. That's makes it a legitimate candidate for inclusion.

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The sentence with "their" in it didn't seem like logical English to me. But perhaps that's just me...

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is "the officially-established Christian church in England." But it's a denomination, not a religion.

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Psunshine87 (18:16, 15 September): Yes, the information is there, but the external link has pictures

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This unborn baby ticks all the boxes for possible future monarch. Oh, hang on.... there's only one!

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Hmmm. A lot of articles put the denomination as the religion. See the Featured Articles including

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So how many people have more than one birth (even when expressed in a grammatically correct way)?

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The above seems enough to let this discussion be closed, in the hope that it will not be revived.

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or whatever. The reality is this baby is special, simply because enough reporters have said so.

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As my Right Honourable colleague probably knows, Mr Miliband is member for Doncaster North, not

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the amendments to succession of the British throne & the other Commonwealth realm thrones.

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politics of the previous generation's era, such as Milliband pe're. Please note, that the cue (

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that article's talk page, here we should only be concerned about the content of this article.

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Which would achieve what exactly? It's fine where it is until the girl's name is announced.

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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have formally registered the birth of Princess Charlotte

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per my previous comment, Not entirely sure why on earth there's another request anyway!. –

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A Former Prime Minister of Australia, Julia Gillard, knitting a toy kangaroo for the baby

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look like she's only famous for being famous, rather than for the effects of her fame.

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More than what? Sorry, no. Nor any source for "common sense should prevail" apart from

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to miss over the next few months would be "undue weight", noting this particular one

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https://hollywoodlife.com/2014/12/03/kate-middleton-baby-shower-girl-sister-pippa/

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about her relatively contemporary "Prince George Effect" on business (apparently

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It seems that Google knows more about you than you know about yourself. If it is

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Perhaps if the requested move were today, there would be more votes to support.

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looks like it's saying that the baby will be a girl. Is this source reliable??

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Duke of Cambridge opens Dickson Poon University of Oxford China Centre Building

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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claim in the article. That should be a better use of the content that way :-)

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Happy 600th birthday to the Duchess of York, AKA the Queen of right, AKA the

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as saying: "Fantastic to hear that Prince George will soon be a big brother!"

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IIRC there's been other pregnancies (or atleast the tabloids said so) --

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in the context of how it was the cause of her pregnancy being announced

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are saying for what it is worth and think it should just be removed.

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The name was announced on 4th May 2015 as Charlotte Elizabeth Diana.

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conspiracy theory", even) and "pro-Kremlin", which English Knowledge

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If only your section header here had three question marks instead of

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he/she is born, only to move it again when his/her name is revealed?

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Is "Baptised in the Church of England" a religion? I note that the

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How much do various women's opinions weigh? (Very little, really)

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Cambridge", which could easily fit at the start of the article.

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Good day all! I'm busy translating this article verbatim into

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in comparison with the current Queen and the Prince of Wales.

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The horses do all the work. Maybe I'll donate some oats after

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escaped from a castle. The tabloids would've loved those two.

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if there was to be a move then it would be to something like

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given that the article is so short, headings are unnecessary

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Will anybody mind if I put it back into the main article?

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pounds for the UK economy by the time she turns 10. (See

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Perhaps it's now time to move the page. Any objections??

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needs a good trimming, such as deletions (...) leaving:

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I hadn't even noticed the author was "Alli Rosenbloom".

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it would be indelicate to make an implication either way

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a

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It is because they are in line to the British throne.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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nations gave. Might make a nice External Link, too.

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