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search for in the proper context. It also is completely acceptable to repeat the link on pages separated far enough for the link to appear only once per screen. Linking is not about whether the article is about the linked terms, but about whether the reader needs help; the very fact that this article is NOT about telescopes is precisely why we do prefer to link to the articles that deal specifically with the concepts in question rather than explain them in this article. Note too, that "aperture" and "field of view" are not terms limited to concepts concerning telescopes at all, so to avoid linking them as often as may be helpful makes sense. A layman might not have any idea what they are or why they are important, and not realise that there are articles that deal with them; after all, they are common
English words; why should they have articles? By linking them you alert the layman to the fact that the term is technical, and that if he is not sure of its technical meaning, he should click on the link and check it out. Unnecessary removal of reader aids is not a service, but reduction of the value of the service.
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Pluto is at perihelion at a certain time you can two locations where
Neptune should be, (technically a range of locations if the libration of its orbit is included). For an object on a higher order resonance the perihelion can be in many locations relative the primary for example object in a 10/7 resonance with Neptune the perihelion will occur in seven locations relative to Neptune. Now consider if you didn't know whether the object was in a 10/7 or 14/10, then you would have 7 locations from the first and 10 from the second, that in combination cover most of Neptune's orbit, although not all. And that is the case for a circular orbit, add an unknown semi-major axis and eccentricity and the possibilities grow. They probably can project orbits ahead and backward and say planet nine couldn't be within some distance of this point at that time but with only a small number of objects that still will leave many potential orbits and locations.
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there enough margin of error for them to reconcile? What about B&B proposing eccentricity of 0.6 while this paper says the eccentricity is much smaller? Do we report this now with caveats, or wait a little bit to see if there's a revision, retraction or further explanations? B&B ran extensive supercomputer simulations that show what happens to the objects as they orbit. This paper came at the problem from a different direction; theoretical math. Did the theoretical approach factor in the gravity of
Neptune, or just P9 and the 4 small objects? When two reliable sources disagree, it would be nice to get an explanation of why they might disagree. Perhaps that will be forthcoming.
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B could provide new modelling at 15º increments across the same range (or just the i′ = 15º and i′ = 45º cases). Malhotra et al.’s low inclination case (closest to the B & B coplanar modelling) doesn’t seem to map well to B & B, because as Emily
Lakdawalla noted at the Planetary Society blog eccentricity e′ is limited to a maximum of ≲ 0.18, whereas in B & B the orbital clustering imposed a minimum e′ ≳ 0.4. This is a seeming incompatibility that would require further modelling to resolve. In Malhotra’s higher inclination case of i′ ~ 48º, there is no such hard constraint on e′ that is incompatible with B & B’s projected value of e′ ~ 0.5 – 0.8 (later refined to 0.6).
1728:. Going off a revision I read a while ago (the article may have significantly evolved since), the Mike Brown et al stuff is mostly fine, but it's still very heavily drawing upon the results of one research team, and one single article. They've got plenty of commentary from the astronomical community at least confirming their work is good and convincing, but having independent peer-reviewed sources doing confirmation/follow up on Brown et al's hypothesis will be crucial for a pass/fail on the broadness, neutrality, and stability criteria. Likewise, Mike Brown's personal assessment of likelyhood of existence needs to be balanced by what the astronomical community at large thinks.
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not argue that no better visual, whether animated or not, could be implemented, nor that this version is beyond improvement, but so far I have seen none myself. Given a caption no larger than the current one, the GIF should be reasonably understandable, and it it should give an perspective of scale far superior to anything else I have seen in this discussion. About the main improvement that I could suggest just at present, would be another zoom-out to include Alpha
Centauri and possibly some belts (for yet more perspective), but it is best to be cautious for the reasons that
3850:. Its imperfections reflect limitations to the information currently available, which places severe restrictions on proposals of any alternatives as rivals represented as being more useful or FTM, more striking; the impression of scale is quite haunting. No matter how clever any alternative might be, it cannot convey information that is not available for display. It is time to put the GIF into the infobox and stop about-it-and-abouting. If anyone can improve on it, then fine, but there is nothing stopping such improvements or replacements being added later. Just now this
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3824:* I have just checked on the current artistic impression again (after quite a hiatus), and in spite of the fact that it obviously is the product of a lot of work and talent, even the labelled version conveys practically no relevant information to the reader; it is an irrelevant star field with an arbitrarily placed and scaled circular opaque hole; and what is worse, I cannot imagine any way to improve any representation of that type; we simply lack any better information for the foreseeable near future.
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2469:. New findings are not a content dispute, but rather new scientific information to be incorporated. It could be years before the data is accumulated that proves or disproves this particular hypothesis, but that doesn't mean a GA-level article can't be written about the current state of research. In this case, it appears to me that a full review of the article as it stands now is in order; this review has been open for over four months, far longer than any other.
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1214:. As I explained above, I don't think artist's impressions are particularly encyclopedic at the best of times, and in this instance I think it might actually mislead readers, or reinforce their misconception, that Planet Nine is a bona fide new planet. People hear this 'exciting news story' from sources that are thin on science and come to Knowledge for a summary of the 'facts'. Pictures say a lot, and sometimes they tell lies.
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2809:"However, because these distant objects are difficult to detect and are often lost,..." I would add something/rephrase this to explain what knowledge exactly is missing/need. E.g. to "these objects" refer to ETNOs/TNOs/KBOs/whatever. Something like "However, because the detection of ETNOs is difficult and limited by current instruments, not enough information is available to distinguish between these possibilities."
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a interpretation. Surely you would agree that liking a term three times in the same section would be excessive? There is a reason that links to terms not specifically related to the subject of the article is discouraged. The reason that it was found that almost ALL of these links are not followed and were therefore not actually helping anyone. For example, could you please tell me how linking to
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up with the news. E.g. had this new discovery not come out (and that the implications are legit/sound and make planet nine more unlikely), the article would be up to date and very likely end up with the GA stamp. But now it's not, and needs to be updated (assuming this new discovery and its implications are legit and not just the press having a conniption) to get the GA stamp of approval.
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3834:* However, one good point about starting with a static image if possible, would be that readers would not be distracted by movement while trying to read the main text. But if that is not avoidable, then IMO better put the GIF in the box than in the text; it is less obtrusive there than when trying to concentrate on the main text.
4028:"We determined exclusion zones of the current location of the planet in its orbital path (Fig. 5)" (which is a complicated exclusion/inclusion map, a series of 8 ranges of longitude, one of them very small but overall knock out half the orbit - anyone check if any of these align with the Saturn-perihelion inclusion zones?) --
3784:) and think this is a far more informative infobox image than the subjects of the discussions immediately above. Are there (apart from speed of loading) any other technical arguments against its use? Is it technically possible to display a faster loading static image first, followed by the animated GIF after it has loaded?
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by now which leads me to believe it did not pass peer review / undergoing significant revision (other papers submitted after this one to same journal have been accepted). I'm undecided if that means that this section should be axed, or if additional sources need to be found, but this is a weakly supported section.
3827:* I have had another look at the gif as labelled and with the current timing. It already is pretty good; easy to follow and re-follow until the reader has the mental picture, and s/he can follow and re-visit the labels ad lib. If the static view of the total final image could be pinned onto the unactivated GIF as
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hypothetical planet. The dynamics of these objects are used to identify possible orbits and positions for a hypothetical planet and estimate its mass. Unlike
Batygin and Brown paper their work does not specify that the most distant detached objects would be have orbits anti-aligned with the massive planet.'
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when I started noticing the same problem with many of the terms. The phrase appears 15 times in the article spelled out and abbreviated in tables several times. I noticed that almost all of the column headers in the tables are wiki-linked and I see that this is allowed as an exception to the general
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The assumption of simple low order resonance is thus unlikely to be justified. Not surprisingly, the Planet Nine orbits produced by these assumptions do not produce the spatial confinements of the KBOs that are observed. Thus, it appears that no useful constraint on the orbit or position can be drawn
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Indeed, no particular preference for type of critical angle or even resonance order can be identified in the dynamical simulations shown here. Rather, the crossing orbits evolve chaotically but maintain long term stability by residing on a interconnected web of phaseprotected mean motion resonances.
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I completely agree with everything you've said here, Jon. Having once designed websites for around 10 years I appreciate the concept of not stuffing too much meat into a sandwich. I think it's enough to show the orbits (sans positions) of the 8 known planets, the possible orbit of the 9th, as well as
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to speed it up. To the average reader just assimilating the concepts, let alone the process, is challenging, Now we are throwing repeated changes of scale at him or her, and I guarantee that most non-professionals will not be able to appreciate it at the speeds discussed. (Forget the pros reading the
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were based exactly on the 'best fit' shown in the
Caltech video, with a smaller orbit and no question mark. Since then I have enlarged the orbit of P9 considerably, which is still within the realms of possibility (I think!), so now we are left with one possible orbit, though not the most likely, of a
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the article. This is actually the third time I try reviewing it in the last few months, but I always give up because whenever I have time, the article is undergoing an editing spree to incorporate the new details. 2015 RR245 potentially considerably changes the game. I'm no celestial dynamics expert,
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There is currently an unresolved debate about the inclusion of the artist's mockup. I personally find those too speculative to be of any encyclopedic value, and press releases just include them to be sexier. Anyone using 'the GA review dislikes them' as an argument against their inclusion should have
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If you'd like me to move the Sun to a different position I'd be happy to do that, but I think we'd be getting a little carried away with ourselves if we claimed to know the 'actual position' of a hypothetical planet. Similarly, if you think the Sun should be relatively brighter or dimmer I'd be happy
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is vague and not mentioned in the MOS. There is a huge difference between when I edit on my dual-screen system on a monitor in portrait mode verses somebody trying to read the article on a smartphone. I would agree that for lengthy articles, once per major section may be acceptable but that is still
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How about this as an addition under alternate hypotheses 'Renu
Malhotra, Kathryn Volk, Xianyu Wang have proposed that the four detached objects with the longest orbital periods, those with perihelia beyond 40 AU and semi-major axes greater than 250 AU, are in N:1 or N:2 mean motion resonances with a
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Brown & Batygin’s modelling investigated 30º increments of inclination i′ from 0º up to 180º (§ 5.1 of their paper describes the planar case; § 5.2 describes the inclined cases). Malhotra et al.’s values of 18º and 48º fall between three of B & B’s values, so that it would be best if B &
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Nearly all from reliable sources, preprints can be considered reliable here given their authors' track record, how non-contentious their claims are, and how recent they are. I note however, that "Undiscovered mass in addition to Planet Nine" is only supported by one preprint, and it seems fairly old
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I could always do a review, and sort of give a general "I trust the maintainers will update things with recent findings accordingly over the next few days as they have in the past". However, if Planet Nine received a severe blow to its likelyhood, it might imply a major rewrite is in order. But I'll
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It's not just the sort of 'well, things could be different in a month', it's that every time I sit down to take a look, a new paper comes out and needs to be incorporated in the article, which usually takes about a week to do well and whoever maintains this article usually does a good job of keeping
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Some sentences like "Brown, though conceding the skeptics' point, still thinks that there is enough data to mount a serious search for a new planet, and assures everyone that it will not be a wild goose chase." I find this phrasing a bit unencyclopedic, too 'pro-Brown' (for lack of better word), and
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In the 'Planet Nine hypothesis' section, we have a second table with High-inclination TNOs. This was very WTF as nothing has been said about them so far. In the result sections later, we have an explanation for why those are relevant, but here they are out of order. The 2nd table needs to come later
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I feel the lead does not adequately summarize the history of the topic. The hatnote states "This article is about the hypothetical planet first suggested in 2014." yet, there is nothing in the lead about
Trujillo and Sheppard, or the state of things prior to discovery. This is fairly well explain in
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Didn't Mike Brown himself say that he was (only) about 90% certain? Remember, this isn't the first hypothetical planet to have been posited, the rest of course having been disproved. Scientists don't generally make leaps of faith, they simply point to the evidence. In this case, that there's about a
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Fair point. I had actually stopped the lens flare from 'overlapping' the planet as I thought people might wonder what all the funny circles were. The reason I included it in the first place was an attempt to show that the Sun would be overexposed in an image which showed the Milky Way (the Sun would
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I cropped in
Neptune's orbit to the unlabeled one. (p.s. I tried Neptune's orbit in my program, but it's actually different, shows the retrograde loops on fixed stars! Poor little 16th magnitude, 0.06" diameter Neptune. You'd have to carry a good telescope to P9, or one of its hopeful moons, to view
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Do we have to say that it also isn't every other hypothetical planet beyond Neptune ever proposed? Look, I get it (kinda); Planet X is an overused term and is confused in the media. But that doesn't mean we have to give it prominence in this article. Or if we do, we should at least connect it to our
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Their analysis also offered suggestions as to what kind of resonance the planet has with the KBOs in question. Whereas Sedna’s orbital period would have a 3:2 resonance with the planet, 2010 GB174 would be in a 5:2 resonance, 2004 VN112 in a 3:1, 2004 VP113 in 4:1, and 2013 GP136 in 9:1. These sort
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While listening to the recording of Planetary Radio, (thanks Jehochman) I noted that one of them pointed out that the alignment of perihelia only occurs for an eccentric orbit. Though they do describe how the alignments of the orbits can aid in pinpointing Planet Nine's location, I don't recall the
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Mike says "He even added a bit of lightning on the dark side which is pure speculation but it may well, if its a gas giant like this, it probably does have lightning going on like this, like if you were on one of its moons, if it had one. ... It's actually right in front of the milky way galaxy, he
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did more impressive work, as I remember from childhood, and that was well before Sputnik. We lack his excuses, and anyway, he wasn't illustrating encyclopaedias. Note for example that the current artistic image has a pretty fat caption; pretty reasonable as it happens, but hardly split-second. I do
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It's 30 seconds in total. Each of the pauses lasts for 5 seconds, except for the last one, which lasts for 10 seconds. I could make the pauses briefer, but you may end up with the opposite problem of having to wait for it to complete another cycle just so you can read one of the labels. This way, I
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I'm happy! I'm not too concerned about misleading people or confusion of existence, as long as it is labeled clearly. I do believe in a little propaganda by pretty pictures. Carl Sagan's Cosmos inspired me with pretty pictures, and who knows what young kid will see the artwork, and say "Hey, I want
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The difficulty is that Malhotra is not talking about Planet Nine. She is proposing a different planet with different effects. Specifically, she is only trying to explain an assumed resonant structure of the several most distant objects. She makes no attempt to explain the physical alignment of the
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While this paper certainly has a lot of promise, it hasn't cleared peer review yet. I'm not sure we should include it yet. Reliable people seem to think it is good work, but could there be an error? Brown and Batygin like 30 degree inclination. This paper proposes 18 degrees or 48 degrees. Is
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There are plenty of GAs and even FAs on stuff that is a developing story. It's been half a year and still no confirmation. If this is rebuked in 10 years doesn't mean it can't be a FA until then. As long as the structure of the article doesn't change much (i.e. subsections are added but within the
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I'll review it again this weekend then (Friday?). Sorry, I missed the notice in my watchlist around April 1 apparently. Right now my main concerns would be making sure the article is up to date with the new publications of Brown (or was that only announced, but not yet published?) since my review,
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The 'exploration' section feels a bit out of place. It's very speculative, and very little can be said about this. Not sure it's enough to warrant a mention, but if it does, I'm not sure a dedicated subsection is best. I wouldn't fail the article because of this though, so if no alternative can be
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I agree, and I !voted in the RfC to remove the image from the infobox. It's taken a while to get to the current image, but I think it is a good one. It's informative because it shows Neptune's orbit, giving a sense of distance. It's not very misleading because it depicts no features of Planet Nine
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A couple of possible issues with their predicted location 1) They appear to be using the 'best fit' orbital elements from the paper in their analysis. What would happen to their predicted position if they used different orbital elements? 2) There is a large uncertain region where its perturbations
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since the sample orbital parameters I used are slightly different. The sun would be -11.6 magnitude, many times brighter than Venus from earth, but dimmer than a full moon, while visually a point light source at 1.8" diameter (from 1040AUs). I added a second image below showing the motion of P9 in
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is justified in this article? It is not directly related to subject and you have to assume at least a minimal level of intelligence and subject knowledge, especially with the generally fairly high level of astronomy and orbital mechanics presented in the article and the resulting filtered target
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Specifically they assume that the four most distant KBOs are in N:1 and N:2 resonances, and examine the implications for Planet Nine. Such an approach could, in principle, work in the circular restricted three-body problem, but, as shown in (Batygin & Brown 2016), highly elliptical orbits are
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This moving image is a poor idea for the infobox. That image should one where the user can identify what it's showing within a split second. It is unreasonable as a first introduction to the topic for the user to have to sit through X seconds of GIF animation to get the point. This is a useful
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background, but a larger sky area, closer to CalTech's view. But I confess I do like an artistic image in the infobox, AND if we don't have SOMETHING there, people are going to keep adding pictures there until the cows come home anyway. (And I don't know if we can guess the rotational axis at all
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Indeed. There was a low resolution version without a stellar background in their paper. This is much more solid and specific. Someone needs to check copyright on if we can use that image. Sounds like someone just took a map of the sky and superimposed it on the chart in the paper. Totally doable.
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I think the difficulty in locking down the location is due to possible high order resonances. An object on a first order resonance like Pluto with Neptune is passed at one location in its orbit, when it is near aphelion; and it reaches perihelion at two locations relative to Neptune. If you know
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discussing the paper. She mentions something I missed, the low inclination orbit has a max eccentricity of 0.18. This appears to have something to do with aligning the orbits in a rotating frame of reference. I suspect this limit only applies if the objects are assumed to always stay in the same
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Firstly, the rule against overlinking is not a life-or-death matter like one of the five pillars; it is a contentious matter of aesthetic preference. Secondly, the reason for linking at all is to assist readers who encounter terms that they do not recognize in context, and might not know how to
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can only be explained by a high eccentric perturber and that automatically rules out the low-inclination orbit (as per B&B's simulations). I also remember Brown commenting the mean-motion resonances could be complex ratios such as 22/15 etc and hopefully another paper is coming from them on
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I can certainly review what is currently in the article, and then leave the update for the most recent research as an open question to be discussed/resolved towards the end of the review. Or we create a sort of divide between published and preprint papers, and create a later section on 'ongoing
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to comment, since he's been around GA for a very long time, and might know of such a guideline or other precedent regarding articles where new information could come at any time. So far as I can tell, the "stability" criterion doesn't consider this sort of situation to be an issue, being solely
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I'm not sure what Википравитель means by the size of the Sun either. Or the brightness. These things are relative. The Sun, from the predicted distance of P9, should be about 10 stops brighter than Antares, and almost point-like in its apparent diameter. Using my copy of Celestia the view looks
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most common word in English has an article and you would not link to that would you?. In general, the MOS clearly state that wikilinking should be kept to a MINIMUM and should only be practiced when necessary. The current state of this article is a perfect example of what the MOS is trying to
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From the first paragraph of section 2.3 'Given that Sedna is presently near its perihelion, λ ≈ ω bar, the planet can be in proximity to one of three longitudes: 60° or 180° or 300° from Sedna's longitude of perihelion, ω bar.' I believe this means that the low eccentricity orbit does not
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objection to any product, to foster continued controversy, whereas the scope for continued objective improvement to a GIF seems to me more definite and constructive. I do however, have one strong opinion and urge those of us who are familiar with the field in general and the GIF in particular,
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and follow up studies/discoveries. Again this is a provisional comment, and may not reflect the current state of the article, but I thought I'd make it to let people know what I'm going to be looking for, so if there's work that needs to be done in that area, you'll have a few days to make it.
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I don't even think the "misleading" bit applies anymore. In the image, the planet is simply a spherical object, barely any colour and certainly no features. It's spherical, which obviously anything that could generate these gravitational perturbations would be. What else could be misleading or
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I edited that addition a bit, and for once actually tried to check the reference properly. I had to remove the sentence "At this location Planet Nine would be approximately 630 AU from the sun". The only relevant thing I could find in the article was a diagram that clearly showed this point as
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The four longest period Kuiper belt objects have orbital periods close to small integer ratios with each other. A hypothetical planet with orbital period ∼17,117 years, semimajor axis ∼665 AU, would have N/1 and N/2 period ratios with these four objects. The orbital geometries and dynamics of
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Here's P9 sphere dropped onto an actual milky way view of the sky,similar to the original simulation, and a symbolic yellow sun in the upper right. There's no "correct" way to draw a -11.5 magnitude star for the sun and in space there's no atmosphere to blur the imaginary halo glow around it.
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There are two possible inclinations mentioned in the new paper, one appears to be similar to the one described in B&B, the other involving a 'periodic orbit of the third kind' is significantly larger. They don't mention whether the higher inclination orbit would produce the objects with
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so that the Sun appears in the same position as in the Caltech image. Since the background image is now 36% smaller the circle of confusion is smaller, and so I have made the Sun 36% smaller also. I've also added the orbit of Neptune to the labelled version, which arguably conveys much more
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It's a disregard and disrespect for the Manual of Style and Knowledge policy that cause contention. Arguing that it can be disregarded because it is not one of the five pillars is a logical fallacy. Many hours were spent discussing and creating the MOS including consideration for aesthetic
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Rave! The Sun at this distance can not be too bright. Even with Sedna it is impossible to see how the disc. A ninth planet much farther. And where did you see in the screenshot the inner planets? They were not there at all. The fact that you can not recognize the stars - it's your problem.
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It's probably a good idea to mention the paper and contrast how its predictions are different from B&B. What we must not do is try to fuse them together. There is no evidence that the two theories are compatible, and above we have an expert opinion (unpublished) that they aren't.
3644:. That we haven't (much?) used GIFs in infoboxes in the past, does not deeply move me; perhaps it is time we did. More to the point, the discussion of artwork alternatives, even when a lot of work has gone into rival or collaborative efforts, suggests that there always will be enough
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GIFs used to have major issues with not animating in thumbnails. Its mostly been resolved, but still occasionally rears its ugly head. My only concern with this image is that it takes quite a long time (relatively speaking, in terms of reader patience) to run through the whole cycle.
3494:"Treasure map"? I feel like I've missed something. Also Nagual, I feel like I only expressed criticism here...I think it is fantastically well made and that it should definitely be incorporated somehow (though I still think having an illustration in the infobox is the best course).
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they have a RA/Dec chart as well as a distance chart and others. The idea is to superimpose that RA/Dec chart on the night sky, label roughly perihelion/aphelion, the ecliptic of the inner planets, the Milky Way and at least a few key constellations related to the path of the P9.
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I don't know if they are describing two orbits or a range. I'm also not sure how the differing points of results are set against the other results. But sure interesting. I recall comments about the mutuality of periodicity being speculated upon in early chatter on this talk page.
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150 AU) Sedna (90377) q=76.045 a=507, 2010 GB174 q=48.719 a=371, 2004 VN112 q=47.327 a=320, 2012 VP113 q=80.290 a=262, (148209) aka 2000 CR105 q=44.286 a=228, 2013 GP13 q=41.117 a=153. I believe 5 of these (but not 2013 GP13) are among the 6 on stable orbits noted in B & B.
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Well that is a clear statement that they perceive a difference. However it seems odd to me to that there is a phase protected relationship that survives over massive time while at the same time the phases (resonance order/critical angle) cannot lock down the location of planet
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Draws heavily on Batygin & Brown, but it's published and endorsed by others. Pass. Alternatives and 'rival' teams also mentioned and given credit. Over the last few months, it's clear that the astronomical community heavily supports this hypothesis by Batygin & Brown.
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As such the situation has been, that, for almost 2 years, researchers have known there is something out there, maybe 1 planet or multiple small objects but before B&B, others couldn't come with any credible theory to explain the unusual data, which B&B have managed to
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lacking almost any other merit apart from artistic satisfaction, which is debatable and unlikely to improve the article or its comprehension in any predictably substantial way, to put it kindly. So those works do not get a look-in IMO, even versions that do happen to include
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should be linked as this is not an article about telescopes so therefore they are not particularly relevant. I am requesting that some other editors step in and help clean this major overlinking problem in the article. I won't be able to get back to it for several days.
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Also I see I keep using the Saturn-perihelion-precession terminology - the paper is only about "residuals" in fine positioning (which I read to be in the hundreds of meters distances) of Saturn in its orbit. So trying to purge the p-p terminology proceeding. (sigh)
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I'm not sure where we go from here. Maybe we play it safe and wait for the new paper to see what it says. Obviously we can't use my correspondence as a source for the article, but as editors we can try to better understand the topic and avoid propagating errors.
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It does not matter, with real photos Milky Way or not (the second also with the real). Important brightness. Galaxy dim for the naked eye, including in outer space. The size of the Sun on the first picture as if from the orbit of Neptune or Pluto and even closer.
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the pic; the Joe Blows and the ankle-biters are the ones who will need it and if you make it too fast they will not benefit in the slightest. 30 secs is already on the fast side, I reckon. As for adornments, I reckon only that anything non-informative should be
3619:. I don't like the question mark for design reasons (I suppose that a dotted orbit is enough to show that this is a hypothetical object). But I agree that it will be nice to put Neptune orbit on the last image to make evident what trans-neptunian objects are. --
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I do not understand what for all this? I modeled the planet on hypothetical parameters Brown and Batygin, without any fiction with Sun or Milky Way. The Sun looks like it should look - distant star with glare. What do you still need? Third picture is nonsense.
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I just watched the Planetary Society's radio show (which had streaming video). Brown and Batygin seem to like idea that P9 was punted out there by Jupiter early in the solar system's history, and that nearby stars may have helped stabilize its orbit.
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information about the distance from P9 to the Sun than any amount of careful lighting. As for removing the image from the infobox, I would suggest it be replaced with the orbital diagram that forms the crux of the Planet Nine hypothesis. Regards,
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Yes, but no. The periods are ratios, but not necessarily simple small number ratios. They could be crazy things like 32:27. There are currently a nearly infinite number of possibilities. But we're working on it.... --- Mike Brown, 5 February
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Antares less brighter Sun. Just Antares do not hit the shot, it's a little more to the right. Celestia view assumes that there is no exposure. In short, I am my image will not impose. He had already applied in The Russian and Japanese Wiki.
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with the inclusions/exclusion zones of the other two papers rather than having to guess and stretch measurements. I'm sure it could be done (noting the Saturn-residuals restrictions depend on an uncertain perihelion location, perhaps a 20°
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In figure 6 of the paper, those are X-Y coordinates. Y is about 550, and X is about -300. Applying simple geometry, (550^2+300^2)^0.5 = 626. I rounded to 630, but if you prefer, we could round to 600 so as not to overstate the accuracy.
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Does not currently clear GA criteria, but once Criteria 1a/2b/6b are addressed, it will. These are fairly trivial hurdles to clear, but they do need to be cleared before getting the stamp. This is even very near FA status, I would argue.
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from conclusion "If Planet Nine is at aphelion, it is most likely moving within α∈(8,9)h and δ∈(5,7)°. Another solution, α∈(3.5,4.5)h and δ∈(5,7)°, is less probable. Both locations are compatible with an apsidal antialignment scenario."
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with plots of Planet Nine's possible orbits against the stars. The background is from the Tycho 2 catalogue, if someone with knowledge of possible copyright issues wishes to email him his contact info is on his
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I like the scaled orbits animation, good for the article, just not for the infobox though. Yes best too if activated by the reader. The final view should be the first view waiting for the reader to activate.
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I'm not sure how you get that the Sun in the first image is too large (its smaller, but a bit brighter, than the second image) or that the Milky Way is too bright (its taken from an actual photograph).
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Given this paper is using a slightly different set of TNO, I'm okay with either a special section, or keeping this paper out of the article UNLESS it is publicly referenced by other astronomers.
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to be an astronomer", in part because of a hypothetical planet, even if it doesn't exist, we know there's much more we'll be discovering in the exurbs of the solar system in the coming decades.
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in Lede can be contentious we should avoid using adjectives like FIRST in this context as it can be inaccurate. we should find a better way to summarize "early speculation" data in the Lede
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I've had a go at resolving some of the issues; I believe there are error bars on the predicted path of Planet Nine, but I would want to confirm it with someone else before including them.
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I started to see repeated linking of some of the technical terms in the article and started to do a little clean up and then noticed how really bad the problem is in the article. the
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P.s. It would be fun to see Voyager 1 and 2's trajectories in a view like this, given they are the furthest objects Humans have sent into space, and still under 150AUs from the sun.
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does them geometrically accurate so you're seeing a real star field with the real star brightness, the real sun.. You see a little bit of glare around the sun, some of it would be
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section. Ethan Seigel doesn't provide any contradictory fact but he is merely skeptical. Regarding Jewett's claim - why only outer 6 - that is dealt with by Brown in their paper.
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Recent simulations (de la Fuente Marcos & de la Fuente Marcos 2014) confirmed this lack of bias in the observational data. The clustering in ω therefore appears to be real.
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is, will not likely be trying to wade through and read this article. As far arguing that they should be linked just because they have their own article is not logical as
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Neptune (3.9x) and Uranus (4.0x)..." Is it similar to Neptune/Uranus, or is it 3.9/4.0x Neptune/Uranus, or is Neptune/Uranus radius = 3.9/4.0 x Earth radius?
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suggests, with a visible instruction to click for animation, that might be nice, though actually it would be OK as it stands if that option is not practical.
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So is the article ready for another review, or do you need more time?
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the current best and most useful candidate and belongs on the page.
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3580:planet that might not exist, hence the dotted line
5150:Paper: Finding Planet Nine: a Monte Carlo approach
4950:. I deleted about a half dozen repeated links to
473:I decided to be bold and replaced the low quality
2777:understandable to an appropriately broad audience
1819:understandable to an appropriately broad audience
1031:it! Jupiter would be better at 10th magnitude.)
1323:Some guys said it is like 50% or so it exists.
3299:Is this animation good enough for the infobox?
1398:If you need the opinion of a neutral observer
499:to the overlayed path which was posted in the
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1476:is worth a read. and this comment in abstract
4088:perpendicular orbits mentioned in B&B.
1824:Nothing stood out as unclear/poorly worded
3523:. See the links provided at the bottom of
1358:There is section Critics in Russian wiki:
3903:from the spacecraft around planet nine)"
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5163:Who is this author? Are they reliable?
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1935:All from reliable sources
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4117:Emily Lakdawalla has an
3642:Approve GIF in some form
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1472:interesting. the entire
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3872:Planetary Radio podcast
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4791:Mike Brown's comment
3923:Jason Hingley has a
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2963:copyright violations
2940:no original research
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1974:copyright violations
1952:no original research
1881:no original research
1686:Talk:Planet Nine/GA1
501:where is planet nine
5154:New paper on arxiv
5018:northern hemisphere
5013:northern hemisphere
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4711:Heliocentric
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4512:Heliocentric
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3856:JonRichfield
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3786:BushelCandle
3762:JonRichfield
3758:Nagualdesign
3748:
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3667:JonRichfield
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3577:this diagram
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3154:. media are
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3000:main aspects
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2758:Well-written
2757:
2754:
2734:
2731:Review, July
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2011:main aspects
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1800:Well-written
1799:
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1726:WP:RECENTISM
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1668:Instructions
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5110:. I really
4775:10937 ± 120
4720:Barycentric
4677:Planet Nine
4660:90377 Sedna
4651:350.7 ± 4.7
4625:319.6 ± 6.0
4599:265.8 ± 3.3
4521:Barycentric
4499:150, q: -->
4450:New paper:
4442:Any day now
4122:resonance.
3782:MOS:IMGSIZE
3525:Path in sky
3124:with their
3087:Illustrated
2792:= 150°, or
2655:as I review
2471:BlueMoonset
2145:with their
2108:Illustrated
1682:transcluded
1400:Meg Schwamb
1310:Georgia guy
1144:Kuiper belt
257:Path in sky
36:This is an
5104:contrarian
5102:As a good
4811:Mike Brown
4749:5434 ± 977
4648:7150 ± 827
4593:4268 ± 179
4175:margin?)--
3919:Star chart
3901:lens flare
3744:as well as
3665:as noise.
3167:ice giants
2967:plagiarism
2863:Verifiable
2664:1607.03963
2572:1607.03963
1978:plagiarism
1876:Verifiable
1635:Authorship
1621:GA toolbox
1474:conclusion
1127:lens flare
477:rendering
5165:Jehochman
5124:offensive
5120:paragraph
5033:prevent.
4862:Jehochman
4819:Jehochman
4619:5845 ± 30
4455:Jehochman
4243:Jehochman
4198:Jehochman
4076:Jehochman
3930:main page
3883:Jehochman
3753:Willy Ley
3749:bona fide
3713:Jehochman
3646:justified
2745:Attribute
2462:Wizardman
2411:Wizardman
2239:the term
1787:Attribute
1694:Reviewer:
1658:Templates
1649:Reviewing
1614:GA Review
1583:animation
1526:Jehochman
1385:Inference
1304:Existence
1197:Jehochman
1131:Jehochman
600:Jehochman
566:Jehochman
402:Ophiuchus
148:straw man
90:Archive 7
82:Archive 5
77:Archive 4
71:Archive 3
65:Archive 2
60:Archive 1
5197:Tom Ruen
5180:Tom Ruen
5132:Tom Ruen
5078:aperture
5055:Huntster
5022:aperture
4964:aperture
4917:Agmartin
4902:Smkolins
4846:Tom Ruen
4830:Agmartin
4726:Semimaj.
4565:(148209)
4527:Semimaj.
4418:Tom Ruen
4394:Tom Ruen
4366:Tom Ruen
4341:this :)
4324:Agmartin
4309:Agmartin
4294:Agmartin
4259:Agmartin
4228:Smkolins
4177:Smkolins
4153:Smkolins
4138:Smkolins
4124:Agmartin
4105:Smkolins
4090:Agmartin
4062:Smkolins
4044:Smkolins
4030:Smkolins
3991:Agmartin
3967:Smkolins
3952:Tom Ruen
3933:Agmartin
3905:Tom Ruen
3533:Smkolins
3521:his blog
3498:Huntster
3472:or maybe
3454:Tom Ruen
3349:Huntster
3270:contribs
3262:Headbomb
3208:contribs
3200:Headbomb
3156:relevant
3093:such as
3073:edit war
2681:contribs
2673:Headbomb
2585:contribs
2577:Headbomb
2537:contribs
2529:Headbomb
2524:contribs
2510:contribs
2458:Headbomb
2440:contribs
2432:Headbomb
2363:contribs
2355:Headbomb
2308:contribs
2300:Headbomb
2272:contribs
2264:Headbomb
2177:relevant
2114:such as
2093:edit war
1742:contribs
1734:Headbomb
1706:contribs
1698:Headbomb
1663:Criteria
1589:Tom Ruen
1566:Smkolins
1549:Tom Ruen
1511:Smkolins
1492:comment
1459:Agmartin
1254:Huntster
1237:Tom Ruen
1183:Tom Ruen
1148:Tom Ruen
1107:Tom Ruen
1091:Smkolins
1065:Tom Ruen
1049:Tom Ruen
1033:Tom Ruen
1018:Tom Ruen
969:Tom Ruen
933:Tom Ruen
903:Tom Ruen
873:Tom Ruen
800:Huntster
760:Huntster
739:see here
685:Tom Ruen
638:Agmartin
536:Smkolins
522:Smkolins
505:Agmartin
503:thread.
483:Tom Ruen
475:Celestia
452:Tom Ruen
435:Tom Ruen
407:Tom Ruen
397:, image
378:Smkolins
360:Tom Ruen
342:Smkolins
328:Tom Ruen
314:Smkolins
299:Smkolins
283:Agmartin
174:Planet X
98:Planet X
5090:Kheider
4900:nine.--
4765:2007 TG
4739:2013 RF
4722:(years)
4713:(years)
4682:≈ 17117
4666:≈ 11400
4635:2010 GB
4609:2004 VN
4583:2012 VP
4540:2013 GP
4523:(years)
4514:(years)
4119:article
3663:omitted
3417:Nergaal
3274:physics
3243:Nergaal
3212:physics
3046:Neutral
2844:fiction
2714:Serendi
2685:physics
2621:Nergaal
2589:physics
2541:physics
2514:Nergaal
2444:physics
2393:Nergaal
2367:physics
2339:Nergaal
2312:physics
2276:physics
2222:Serendi
2065:Neutral
1857:fiction
1762:Nergaal
1746:physics
1710:physics
1449:Capture
1325:Nergaal
656:Kheider
231:Serendi
215:Nergaal
197:Serendi
129:Serendi
112:Nergaal
39:archive
4732:Ratio
4698:a: -->
4533:Ratio
4500:40 AU
4498:a: -->
4208:Philip
3829:Aoziwe
3805:Aoziwe
3731:design
3726:nagual
3694:design
3689:nagual
3621:Vayvor
3602:design
3597:nagual
3563:Vayvor
3545:design
3540:nagual
3484:design
3479:nagual
3440:design
3435:nagual
3401:design
3396:nagual
3381:design
3376:nagual
3332:A2soup
3318:design
3313:nagual
3128:, and
3122:tagged
3095:images
3069:Stable
2972:Pass.
2846:, and
2836:layout
2512:) and
2149:, and
2143:tagged
2116:images
2089:Stable
1983:Pass.
1859:, and
1849:layout
1776:Review
1433:Vayvor
1364:Vayvor
1348:design
1343:nagual
1278:A2soup
1224:design
1219:nagual
1171:design
1166:nagual
1005:design
1000:nagual
848:design
843:nagual
835:please
160:design
155:nagual
5088:. --
5024:, or
4948:lead.
4945:that
4784:~3:2
4778:11200
4758:~3:1
4685:≈ 665
4557:151.8
4218:Email
3821:then:
3278:books
3216:books
3139:Pass
3103:audio
3101:, or
3099:video
3091:media
3052:Pass
2866:with
2741:Rate
2689:books
2660:arXiv
2593:books
2568:arXiv
2545:books
2448:books
2371:books
2316:books
2280:books
2160:Pass
2124:audio
2122:, or
2120:video
2112:media
1879:with
1783:Rate
1750:books
1714:books
1684:from
1121:Image
678:right
617:Ørjan
581:Ørjan
497:Link
16:<
5212:...
5201:talk
5184:talk
5156:link
5136:talk
5112:hate
5094:talk
5080:and
5037:Nyth
4997:talk
4975:Nyth
4966:and
4921:talk
4906:talk
4850:talk
4834:talk
4752:5600
4729:(AU)
4704:Body
4688:1:1
4672:3:2
4654:5:2
4645:6600
4628:3:1
4622:5900
4602:4:1
4596:4300
4576:5:1
4570:3420
4560:9:1
4554:1870
4530:(AU)
4505:Body
4422:talk
4407:2016
4398:talk
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