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to and exploited by Barnum. According to the
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There is quite a bit of confusion in the article regarding Barnum's legislative service. There's a reference to Barnum's serving in "Congress" which I assume is an error and should refer to the
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With all the controversy surrounding PT Barnum, his mistreatment of people like Joice Herth and other people he "employed", and his portrayal in the "Greatest
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As he was so famous for his hoaxes, I think that more mention or a list of them is needed to make the article better. I would also like to see citations for sentences such as his autobiography being 2nd only to the New
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I have found that the section titled "Role in politics and minstrel shows" was copied from New World
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As I understand it, Barnum's "American Museum" in New York was not a museum in the modern sense: it was a combination of a theater space, sensationalistic side-show type exhibits, and a bit of a freak show. Does anyone have anything more solid on this? And on its dates of operation? --
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have perpetrated, and could have travelled down history in mythical fashion. A photo of one of the hoaxes, or of his menagerie would give some flavour to the article, as he was such a colourful character.
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