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I'd like to suggest a different definition of Nordic skiing for the lead: arguably, the most distinctive thing about Nordic/cross-country skiing is the fact that it involves skiing both up and down hills (ie does not use ski lifts). The particular style of boot seems a bit technical. But is there an
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I would support that idea. And, yes, English-speakers regard backcountry telemark skiing to be a Nordic discipline. (We also do back-country recreation on snow shoes, snow boards and alpine skis.) We need to keep in mind that this is an article about the
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is perhaps the best candidate, and historically Alpine skiing branched off from other skiing when the
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Here, too, the issue of recreational versus competition Nordic skiing pertains. The term is a discriminator between Alpine skiing—with fixed-heal bindings and primarily reliant on ski lifts or removing one's skis to ascend—and sports where the heel comes off the ski and (except for ski jumping)
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We should keep a globale perspective about the topic, but as understood in the
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Perhaps North-A is not representative? WP should keep a global perspective. My hunch is that XC incl "backcountry" is the most widespread recreational nordic. On other hand: Jumping is a still a big sport in Europe and Japan. I would vote for XC as most representative for nordic. --—
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