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sense to have 4 columns in the infobox. If you really absolutely must list parties and figures, just limit it to the parties and figures that were directly involved. Once you start including people and organizations who just expressed opinions, you're going to end up with a big mess. For example, I don't think it makes sense to list "Nashville
Councilmen", "City of Nashville", "The Tennessean", and "Nashville Banner" as "parties". Individual people associated with those institutions may have expressed opinions on the sit-ins (even influential opinions), but they weren't actual parties to any of the actions. Also, I'm pretty sure that all 4 of those institutions included people on both sides of the conflict. For lead figures, can we please just list them all in one column? Ben West was clearly a lead figure, but he opposed both the sit-ins and segregated lunch counters, so it makes no sense to group him with Fred Harvey and John Sloan. Also, I think it would make more sense to list Z. Alexander Looby, Robert Lillard, and Avon Williams as "Lawyers" rather than listing them under the Nashville Council and NAACP, as their role in the conflict was as lawyers for the students.
1973:: planning for an event began in early 1959 to desegregate downtown Nashville. Tennessee State, American Baptist Theological Seminary, and Fisk University students and adults from Nashville were the trainees. By fall, the trainings were held on a weekly basis and they emphasized the reason for nonviolent action and held role-playing sessions. Small groups of people (4 at a time) began to go into restaurants to ask for service, be denied, and gauge reaction from other customers and the wait staff by trying to start conversations, then question the management about segregation policies. Lawson justifies nonviolence saying "we're trying to create a more just society. You cannot do it if you exaggerate the animosities." Blowing up downtown Nashville was not an objective, just opening it to everyone has an opportunity to participate.
2012:: Nash recalled that she felt stifled at Fisk, used to the opportunities she grew up with in Chicago. She heard of the training sessions and met Lawson, a conscientious objector to the Korean War, who had been to India to study Gandhi. Role-playing sessions included learning how to protect your head from beatings, and protect other participants when one was singled out for severe attention others would place themselves in front of the one receiving all the attention "so that the violence could be more distributed and hopefully no one would get seriously injured".
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Woolworth's, sat at every seat at the lunch counter. White men began to pulling mostly black women off stools and beating them, put out cigarettes on their backs and in hair, and all sit-in participants were arrested but none of the whites who were being violent. For Lewis it was like "being involved in a holy crusade" and was "a badge of honor" to be arrested, despite his upbringing which impressed on him that getting in trouble with the law "was not the thing to do".
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Nashville, although I'm sure Ben West's moral support had some influence. Please feel free to add more information to the article about Ben West's role in the story. The article right now is far from comprehensive.
2093:: Ella Baker's presence in Raleigh was "very regal", and reminded Bond of a mother the way she gently guided the students. Baker's speech "More Than a Hamburger" (not included in source) connected for Bond. Baker's message emphasized that students should be the force behind the movement, and Bond felt that she meant not to let King dictate what the students should do. Lawson spoke at the conference...
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deny black people the right to sit at lunch counters, etc., and he answered "No, I do not think it is right". He likely received quite a bit of private criticism for that statement, and the subsequent negotiations which desegregated much of the city. I've never researched if he was an active opponent of the movement, or if he was a major impediment, so can't offer any insight to the direct question.
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Kennedy." But RFK called the judge to get MLK released from jail. Said he was so angry about "screwing up our politics in this country and maybe losing the election for my brother, I got so mad that I got that judge on the phone." Black voters very impressed by JFK's call although it was not reported widely.
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I wanted to seek your input about moving the "Parties to the civil conflict" and "Lead figures" portions of the infobox into a separate section of the article. It would be comparable to the "Cast" or "Characters" section of a film or television show article. That would allow a reader to quickly see
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I agree with you on what this article needs. I disagree on the infobox. I think you can summarize in concise language one or two causes and results of the sit-in. As well as list the lead participants. It's called an infobox for a reason, not a date and location box. Your rationale for removing
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I think the causes and results should be removed from the infobox. The classification into causes and results is an oversimplification (at least 4 of the items listed could be both causes and results); it takes up way too much space (pushing the image for the
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First of all, James Lawson, who is the most important figure in the
Nashville sit-ins, wasn't one of the students who participated in the sit-ins. He was the vice-president of the NCLC and the person who trained the students. Please at least get that part right. There's no way that it's going to make
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Well, for one, having a really long infobox creates a terrible reading experience on mobile. You have to scroll down several pages before you can start reading the article. Secondly, I think the information is just too complex to present as a simple list or lists. I honestly don't think the reader is
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Lawson was an oversight (now added), but he is listed in the "Cause" section of infobox. I've added Fred Harvey and John Sloan under "Businesses". As for Ben West, I will keep him off until a better fit for him can be created. The others you mentioned are already included. Is there anybody else?
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We can remove Ben West from the side/leaders section and place his evolution in the "Results" and/or "Causes" section. Who were the individuals on the
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I wasn't complaining about it being incomplete, I was complaining about it being misleading. How would you propose to accurately represent mayor Ben West's position in this conflict within the infobox? What about the Nashville Councilmen, the local White community, etc.? Many of the parties listed on
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p. 68 Recollection by Harris Wofford: King hesitated to do anything very high profile during the presidential campaign. Attempted to meet with JFK in the South somewhere and attempted to reach out to Nixon, which JFK balked at. King supposed to meet JFK in Miami but it got canceled, so he was free to
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p. 61 Lillard cont'd: Young people who were the force behind the movement had nothing to lose, no jobs, houses or cars. Credit to blacks was new. Many blacks "treasured those things". Lillard figured older blacks would not get too immersed in illegal activities so the young people had to escalate the
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Recollection by participant Leo Lillard: Boycott of downtown Nashville effective, not just limited to students but all citizens. Some blacks shopped downtown, but organizers "sent some educating committees to downtown to convince them that that was not the thing to do. We didn't hurt them, but we did
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Recollection by participant C. T. Vivian: Students' parents began to pressure local college administrators for fear that their children's futures would be ruined by being arrested. While the police were more aligned with the business owners and thugs who were quick to be violent, the police felt they
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I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise
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What would you think of just removing the causes and results section and leaving the rest? My rationale for this suggestion is that the information in that section is the least suited for an infobox. It requires either long entries of text or extreme simplification. Explaining the causes and results
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The infobox was designed to present causes and results of civil conflicts. As well as lead participants. If your objections stated from last year to the present were observed, then the infobox would need to be removed - virtually nothing would remain. Instead of trying to remove nearly all of the
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General text: May 10, lunch counters in Nashville started serving black customers. More demonstrations warranted for theaters, hotels, and restaurants. In 1960 over 100 cities saw sit-ins, participants using the slogan "Jail, no bail." In October MLK in Atlanta was arrested at a sit-in and sentenced
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C. T. Vivian: First large march of the movement. Began at Tennessee A & I, and as they walked through the black section of Nashville, Fisk students joined, then Pearl High School. People came out of their houses and joined. Filled Jefferson Avenue the entire length, some songs, but mostly quiet.
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p. 64 Bond cont'd: James Lawson and King had a friendly rivalry where Bond could tell that Lawson pushed him to do more. Lawson's speech was "thunderous, militant" and he proposed an "aggressive nonviolence. You didn't have to wait for the evil to come to you, you could go to the evil." Many Raleigh
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General text: at the end of 1959 trainees were ready. Nashville was the center of the moral controversy of segregation by its being the location of several higher ed institutions, several Protestant denominations, and nicknames "Protestant Vatican" and "buckle of the Bible Belt". Greensboro, NC held
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for titles of individual articles or lesser works (even if title case was used in the original). This style is sometimes used in the article now, but often title case is used when sentence case should be (notably, for Sumner's thesis: the thesis itself uses sentence case, and we should too). Another
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My understanding is that after a bomb exploded at Attorney Alexander Looby's home (luckily he and his wife were asleep in a back room and escaped injury) the students set out to speak with Mayor West. When he came out to talk to them Diane Nash asked him (paraphrasing) if he thought it was right to
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When you mention "Nashville Councilmen", "Local African-American community", and "Students from X", do you mean "all" individuals that were "Nashville Councilmen", from the "Local African-American community", and "Students from X"? As for mayor Ben West, we can remove him. But, the sit-in movement
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p. 53 Chapter 4 starts with a brief overview of previous sit-ins by CORE in Chicago 1943, in St. Louis and Baltimore in 1949 and 1953 and more than a dozen Southern cities in the late 1950s with little to no media reaction. CORE, NAACP, and SCLC began training young people to participate, including
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I just watched a 1960 interview with Diane Nash on PBS, and she says she also asked him if he believed it was right to "discriminate against another person based solely on their race or skin colour" and he replied in the negative. Another contemporary interview with the mayor showed him reaffirming
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Wofford: JFK told advisers what he did and RFK stated they had lost: "We had three southern governors tell us that if you support Krushchev, Castro, or Martin Luther King, we;re going to throw our votes to Nixon." RFK "gave us hell"; Wofford "never been chewed out by anybody as angrily as I was by
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P. 66 Vivian cont'd: Whites knew it was serious. March ended at City Hall. Was all spontaneous. Vivian gave a short speech to the mayor, then Diane Nash spoke, challenging the mayor as to what he was going to do. Mayor said he did not think racism was right. When they asked him if he would work to
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to not be 2-column lists. It just doesn't make sense to present this as a simple battle between 2 sides. Even the stores themselves don't fit cleanly on one side as some were sympathetic to the sit-ins and some weren't, but they were all afraid of losing White business unless they acted together.
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a student at Am. Bapt. Theol. Sem.: More than 500 Fisk students waited on the first day to go to First Baptist Church where they would be split into groups and sit at lunch counters at Woolworth's, Kresge's. McClellan's for their high-profile notability. Students dressed as they would in church,
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page 5: "…these Nashvillians later played crucial roles in founding the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), rescuing the 1961 Freedom Rides, and participating in virtually every major subsequent southern battle of the movement, including those in Jackson, Birmingham, and Selma… the
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I think it is unencyclopedic to include a stock photo of a segregated business place in Lancaster, Ohio in 1938 in an article about a specific series of events that happened in Nashville, Tennessee in 1960. The photo would be appropriate in an article about segregation in general, but it has no
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p. 59 Nash cont'd: Participants did not know the sit-ins would become widespread. At 22-years old, Nash felt vulnerable, and was very impressed that the movement was countering authority figures such as judges, governors, politicians, etc. Nash: "The movement had a way of reaching inside you and
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John Lewis: No violent reaction so far until Feb 27 when organizers were told by a sympathetic white minister that the police would be waiting to allow a group of "white hoodlums and thugs" to beat participants who would be arrested after. They decided to go anyway, where all (about 100) went to
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According to my sources, sit-ins were held in 15 U.S. cities prior to the Greensboro sit-ins, the earliest being in 1957. I haven't seen any mention of the Oklahoma City sit-in in particular. Is there a reason that we're characterizing the Oklahoma City sit-in as the "most notable"? Is there any
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It's definitely an interesting issue. Ben West clearly agreed that segregation was morally wrong, but he seemed quite reluctant to do anything about it legally. Whether or not this made him a "bad guy" is rather subjective. C. T. Vivian, for example, was extremely critical of the mayor's lack of
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I'm not missing your point. This isn't the first infobox involving a conflict that had a two-column structure to undergo questioning. Like an article, an infobox should not be expected to be perfect upon first presentation. It deserves time to develop over time like the article. In order to
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is listed as the only lead figure of the presumably anti-integration side of the conflict. However, Ben West eventually called on business owners to integrate (during the sit-in period) and is often cited as Nashville's first mayor that supported integration. Also several of the groups that are
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The Nashville Council was divided on integration, as was the Nashville media, and the White community. Ben West opposed the sit-ins, but supported integration of the city's lunch counters, so he doesn't fit cleanly on either side of the conflict even though he was pivotal to the success of the
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Yes, that's what I've been saying since you first added the infobox to the article. The only info that I think makes sense for an infobox is the date and location. Everything else currently in the infobox is better kept in prose. Your unwillingness to consider my point of view or even offer a
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p. 56 Recollection by Greensboro participant Joe McNeil: McNeil inspired by the "people of Little Rock" (referencing the Little Rock Nine), "really impressed with the courage that those kids had an the leadership they displayed", and his friends felt the same, that they wanted to be a part of
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The purpose of the infobox includes presenting the factions and lead individuals. The issues you brought up are extremely valid. If I can redesign the infobox to accommodate the actual factions beyond a two column approach, then what other rationale can be presented for not presenting that
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p. 71 Wofford cont'd: MLK Sr. originally set to vote for Nixon because JFK Catholic, but changed his vote and wrote "I've got a whole suitcase full of votes that I'm taking up and putting in the lap of John Kennedy". Between 1 and 2 million brochures sent to black churches in the South.
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The lead paragraphs of each article are suppose to be summaries of the article body. The first sentence of each article is suppose to summarize the entire article. All summaries omit information or insights. Infoboxes simply summarize key pieces of information in the article - the
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p. 65 Leo Lillard: The bombers chose Looby because he was an adult, a pillar of the community. Students had already been beaten, but when Looby was targeted adults in Nashville had to join the movement. March was "very gratifying"; no need to cajole adults to come out for the cause.
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I was told by another editor during a GA nomination that the convention was to choose one case style and apply it consistently to all the refs, which is what I did here. I'm reluctant to switch to an entirely new case convention without seeing some kind of guidelines on the matter.
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After a good faith effort to resolve issues you have highlighted and no responses to my repeated request for details, I have restored content to article page. I remain open to addressing the issues you have pointed out. Feel free to contact me to finish this discussion anytime.
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p. 60 Vivian cont'd: Police waited to act on orders of business owners, who were affected by the breadth of the sit-ins throughout the South. Blacks avoided downtown businesses and whites were afraid of what was happening, so business owners asked sit-in organizers to negotiate.
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participate in the sit-in. "I think the whole American people realized that that was an absurd sentence." Wofford helped draft a statement for JFK calling for King's release when Governor Vandiver (GA) said King would be released if no statement from JFK. But governor stalled.
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No, I use infoboxes all the time. I would guess that most of the 100+ articles I've written have infoboxes in them. I think infoboxes should be limited to "info", though, i.e. concise, specific metadata like dates and numbers, not lists of everything mentioned in the article.
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I'll remove all "Parties" and "Lead figures" and transfer that information here. I would like to continue to work on this here. Your knowledge of the topic surpasses my own. Can you list the key participants here OR is there a source that list those individuals by name?
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Both the Vanderbilt University collection of the Kelly Miller Smith papers and TSU's biography of Smith say "Nashville Christian Leadership Council." There is interference, I think, from the "Southern Christian Leadership Conference," of which Smith was also a member.
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At least one pair of duplicate citations should be coalesced: there are two citations (currently numbered and ) to 'Wynn, "The Dawning of a New Day", 47.' that should just be one citation. This problem should be fixed systematically, if it occurs more than once.
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The Fiftieth anniversary section is a list. I originally wrote it as prose and then another editor converted it into a list :( The reviewers at FAC will usually reject any articles that have sections presented as lists if they could be written as prose, per
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I dunno. I'm not sure it has no place at all, but its inclusion certainly is debatable. Are you familiar with Knowledge's strong image policy? There may not by anything to replace it, as in a photo taken in Nashville before 1960 representing segregation.
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Diane Nash: Vivian's eloquence, borne of his commitment, helped when he presented the students' position to Mayor West. Nash has "a lot of respect" for West's response to her questions. Mayor's comments were printed in the newspaper the next day.
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kind of snatch their bags and tear things away from their arms and let them fal; on the ground and say, 'Stay out of town.'" Organizers were from out of town. Lillard felt obligated as a native Nashvillian, to correct the problems.
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Diane Nash: Experience very emotionally charged. Participants focused on respecting opponents, not getting distracted. First sit-in made waitresses nervous, dropped "about two thousand dollars' worth of dishes" and "almost a cartoon"
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address the issues, I need particulars. The four sides is a good start. Using the above information, which "Parties" and "Lead figures" would be sorted into the four groups you've outlined? Afterwards, I can divide the groups.
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General text: Mid-April saw 78 cities host sit-ins with 50,000 black and white participants, 2,000 arrested, and picket lines showed up at store headquarters in the North. A conference was held n Raleigh NC, organized by the SCLC.
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Thank you. I only wanted participants listed in the infobox, not observers. I still want to work on modifying the template to better accommodate more than two columns. I also think it is unfortunate to not have Ben West in the
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p. 62, Nash cont'd: Organized by 45-year-old former NAACP organizers Ella Baker and Nash found her helpful and honest, and Nash saw her guidance as integral as the students had few older adults they could model themselves after.
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conference participants were well-dressed, like ministers (not expensive), and were very mature. From Atlanta, Bond began to think the sit-ins could have a very strong force in that city, and Bond felt like he needed a network.
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The importance of this event within the Civil Rights Movement, and the importance of the Nashville Student Movement itself, cannot be overestimated. Naming the main people involved within the infobox seems reasonable.
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causes and results of this conflict. You state the causes and results section is currently misleading. Your solution is to delete it. My solution is to rewrite it. My compromise is you rewrite it. Please try.
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going to get much benefit from it when presented in such a simplistic fashion. This is the same reason we don't include ethnicity in biographical infoboxes – it's just too complex to boil down to infobox format.
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compromise is quite frustrating, especially as you are basically acting as a drive-by templater rather than wanting to actually collaborate on the article. The things that this article needs are integration of
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p. 69 Wofford cont'd: Wofford and the civil rights group working for JFK decided to get JFK to call Coretta Scott King, who was pregnant (3rd child). Sargent Shriver intervened for this and JFK called CS King.
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Although many sources say that the non-violence workshops started in 1959, the first one was actually held in March 1958. They were not held regularly, however, until 1959. Here are some sources for reference:
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After reading this article (with no other sources) I'd probably paint mayor West as one of the bad guys, which he may not have been. I'll leave page edits to people with more knowledge on the subject though.
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sit-ins. Personally, I don't think any of these complexities can be expressed well in an infobox, especially one that is basically designed for military conflicts (where the sides are more clearly defined).
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Recollection by white shop owner Bernie Schweid: Mayor's comments were a turning point. Businessmen hesitant to act on their own, looking for a reason to integrate. Mayor's comments allowed that to happen.
3016:. The issue you highlighted affects numerous articles covering the Civil Rights Movement. It would be helpful to begin troubleshooting this issue here. Then the solution can be applied to other articles.
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You seem to think a compromise is virtually removing the infobox. That is not a compromise to me. If I disagree with you, then please do not view that as an unwillingness to consider your point-of-view.
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I don't see a list in the article. What are you referring to? I don't understand why the article wouldn't pass FAC. Can you point to a guideline or something so I can see what you're talking about?
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mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on.
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OK, I removed those. I also removed trailing white space, and the (unnecessary) quotes around the ref names; please revert if there's any problem. Thanks for all that work!
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style (less often used, in my experience, but also common) is to use the case that the source itself uses; but either way, Sumner's thesis title should use sentence case.
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the next section); and it largely duplicates content in the lead. Infoboxes should be for metadata, not fuzzy complex ideas that have been shoehorned into bullet lists.
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Looks great! It was already a pretty spiffy article, but since I was going to make you do that one cite, figured I'd have you pick up a few other small spots I noticed.
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Google favors "Conference" over "Council" (148 hits vs 88 hits). However, primary sources such as James Lawson and the First Baptist Church, Capitol Hill use "Council".
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to four months on a chain gang, shocking people with the severity of the sentence, among them Harris Wofford, a white attorney working for JFK's presidential campaign.
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