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Personally i do not recall having seen this term before. In the two references i cited, one written by an
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I have added my late grand father's name who was one of the 5 that was sent to the gallows and later walked away with the help of Tengku Abdul Rahman. Sir David
Marshall was the criminal lawyer representing the 5. But he lost the case. I am in in process of gathering facts abt my late grand father.
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Singapore. And Malaya wasn't Malaysia yet until 1963. And certainly, shouldn't it be called Malayan army instead of Malaysian army. Malayan army and Malaysian army refer to two different entities even though they share a continuous line. People in 1950 didn't even know
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I know where you're coming from. However, i do not see a better way to distinguish between
Malaysia and Singapore in this article. You changed, for example, "Malaysian nationalists" to "Malayan nationalists". This is inaccurate because the original phrase refers to people from the archipelago
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Catholic but I can't find any point where it states unambiguously that she either ceased to be a Muslim or not.
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