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10137:'Roman' and maybe they're not and maybe the Macedonians are part-Greek and maybe they're not. Really a matter of opinion as verifying these things is difficult and historians don't always agree. Romanian opinions actually vary so I'm not sure where you got your concensus from. Some I've met, including an ex-roommate, believe they are part Roman from Italy, others not so much, but again the point is still the Macedonians. Are we catering to Greek nationalism or just presenting an article about a people who happen to be called Macedonians TODAY? In fact, if for example they examined say the DNA of someone they believe to be an ancient Macedonian and it matched say a Slavic Macedonian then what? None of us know for sure that they aren't part Greco-Macedonian and that's not really the point. We're not here to take sides as the point has been made clear through the disambiguation page already and on the Macedonian people page as well. The UN, most of the governments on earth, reference books (some which I looked at during this debate) all call it Macedonia and the people Macedonians. Not ethnic Macedonians or whatever else. There is sometimes a reference that these are Slavic speaking Macedonians not to be confused with the ancient Greek speakers during the descriptive part, but other than that they just talk about them. And so after the disambiguation page and the section that states that these are Macedonian Slavs it's still 'vague'? Come on. If people don't get it at that point, perhaps they should work on their reading and comprehension skills. What are we really talking about here? I have no problem with Jimbo Wales or whatever adminstrator weighing in, but this does seem to be just a way to kick the Macedonians around and 'put them in their place' as non-Macedonian Greeks more than a way to formulate clarity. 9972: 5337: 12029: 12806: 9878: 10843: 1265: 10673: 8516: 10651:. They didn't even consider the "Macedonian" part of the "Macedonian ethnic group" as a literal term, which proves the opposite of what you thought. What you suggest your opinion and I respect it, but it's still a POV. A large number of assumptions, "there have been examples of this and that", that's just not good enough to make a solid point, nor to monopolize a name which culturally belongs to another ethnic group. Nobody regards the "Macedonian Slavs" as a representative Macedonian nation except themselves. If that's what you believe then you are as much delusional as they are. In German there's even a different word for "Greek/ancient Macedonian" and "Slavic Mazedonien". Nobody told the Slavs not to use the term "Macedonian", they were told not to monopolise it. Greed is an important sin. They want to monopolise it, hence they risk their recognition under international organisations. Anyway, by the way you compare the British and the Americans, I see you have no good understanding of the situation. You probably don't even know of Tito's linguistic and political reforms on the region, nor about the American government's official rejection of the existence of a "Macedonian nation" during the 40's. Which doesn't surprise me. 724:. All main points of disagreement can be seen here. They are mostly figures and phrasing. I want us all to look for sources regarding the figures and then analyse them here before reverting anything. The name of the articles should be Macedonians (ethnic group) for now. As Britannica and 10 other encyclopaedias use that name, it cannot be viewed as unacceptable, and givan that that name is the one that Knowledge's naming policy requires to be used, that one should be used UNTIL a good reason is found that this case is an exception to that rule. I should also point out that a) Greeks officially call these people Macedonian Slavs NOT Skopjans. You will not find any official Greek document using the name Skopjans. They all use the name Slavomakedhones (Macedonian Slavs). Skopjans is just an way of refering to them without using the name Macedonia and is only used unofficially. Also, the poll which Theathenae keeps on talking about was a draw, a consensus needs 60% support. Therefore it only serves as a reference and is not binding. Knowledge's naming policy (which mandates the name Macedonians) as a consensus and should be used until it has been proven that this case is an exception. Everyone, please try to co-operate. 12815: 3166: 13039: 1284: 11215: 10249: 12893: 11197: 8201:"Following the 1913 Treatry of Bucharest, the original Macedonian place names that existed in Aegean Macedonia were gradually changed to Greek names, as well as the surnames of all Macedonians, according to the 1927 Greek Government Legislative Edict. The Greek Government Gazette declared that "there are not any non-Greek people in Greece". This was part of a process called "Hellenization" whereby all the names of Macedonian villages, towns, regions, lakes, rivers, mountains, etc. were changed, together with the surnames of ethnic Macedonians, into Greek-sounding names. For example, the village of "Lerigovo", on the Chalcidice peninsula, was later renamed to "Arnaía" by Greek officials in 1927. Although many modern Greeks will argue that the Greek name was its original name before the Slav invasion of the 6th century AD, it is certain that many villages and towns, like this one, had never existed in Ancient times but were originally established by the Slavs and other invaders." (talk) 1144: 8626:, because it's written it shouts that it was written by a Macedonian Slav who wants to monopolise "Macedonian". What missing is the bold, underlined marking over "Ethnic" or "other ethnic groups" or "strictly". That's ridiculous. The Greeks have had a region named "Macedonia" for thousands of years, and the term "Macedonian" was used in a regional sense such as "Cretan". That is a F A C T, and no matter how it pisses you off, it has to be mentioned because it's true. If for no good reason, simply because it justifies the psychology of the Greeks for not recignizing a "Macedonian" ethnic group that has no record of official existence prior to 1948 (prove me wrong if you can by citing sources). If we leave this out then we're saying half of the story, which is what MacSlav nationalists want. For that very reason, I have replaced the above with " 7576: 10336: 6715:"The results were surprising. Only 6.3 percent of the total genetic variation was explained by differences among major populations (Lewontin's seven geographical units). In other words, close to 94 percent of human genetic diversity occurs within these very large groups. The larger population subdivisions within the geographical clusters (e.g., within the category Caucasians: Arabs, Basques, Welsh) account for another 8.3 percent. Thus geographical and local "races" together account for just 15 percent of all human genetic variation, leaving the remaining 85 percent unaccounted for. The vast majority of genetic differences among human beings is explicable in terms of differences from one village to another, one family to another, and, to a very significant degree, one person to another---even within the same family." 1139: 8968:) public media groups outside Greece refer to the Macedonians, as just that – Macedonians, the same applying to the naming dispute. I don't object to having the term "Macedonian Slavs" on the page, I simply object to the use of the word 'often', can this be changed to a similar word of lesser degree? My second concern is the statement “The Macedonians are primarily the descendants of the Slavic tribes …” I understand that there is a notice calling on citation, but until proper citation is provided can this be edited slightly to something like … “In some circles, it is thought that the Macedonians are …” and furthermore, I ask that the general Macedonian view be represented; that is, that the current Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians and that the Slav tribes assimilated with these people. -- 1223: 4313:) and the ongoing content-disputes on Macedonia*disambiguation pages show that we have a problem. This problem isn't yet solved. When our friend FlavSavr was disappointed by the results of the big poll (yes there was no consensus for anything, that's why I said this shouldn't be interpreted in binary: yes and no) I told him back in August that he should go for RFC and RFMed. And then I, among with others, was accused as a greek far right extremist who don't want Med. How could any greek answer at that time (early October) what he/she thinks about Med when he was already accused as an extremist? Let me point out that calling all the people who had expressed their opinion in the poll (by both sides) as nationalists doesn't solve the problem and in my opinion yes, you and the other admins are neutral. 7764:, irrelevant to the sites you posted. Anyway those sites wouldn't exist in the first place if FYROM didn't try to steal Greek and Bulgarian history. Macedonian Slavs were never a majority in Greek Macedonia, simply because they didn't exist. All demographies state them as "Bulgarians", but they were never a majority anyway, that's just the Big Brother talking again. All Macedonian Slavs on the internet come up with the same story "my parents were evicted by the smelly Greeks and I go back to visit the billions of Slavophones every month blah blah blah". If there's so many of them, how come none of the Greeks have ever seen any? I mean I know they're all a bunch of liars and thieves to you, who would never admit beeing with Mac Slavs in order to be able to torture them eternally, but they can't be 7816: 6920:) Its a fact that Macedonians in Greece exist, you can't change it. I also feel that judging by your POV, you may only be cosidering Greek-point-of-view sources in your research. Have you ever tried any non-Greek sources? Britannica? Human Rights Watch? Reality? Only Greeks stubbornly consider the Macedonians in Greece as Slavophone Greeks, despite what the international community thinks. I advise you to accept the truth. Accept that "Slavophone Greeks" is a racist term used by Greeks to refer to the Macedonians, who to this day suffer the lack of basic human rights and decades of racism and discrimination by Greeks. And yet Greece, continually tries to deny the the existence of Macedonians, forbidding them to express their culture, language, views, and most importantly, their IDENTITY. - 6906:, and their massacres against the Greco-Jewish population of Thessaloniki, I think that's a tiny detail that needs to be mentioned every time someone wants to bring up Greek policies in the region. Furthermore Metaxas was a fascist and not a representative of the Greek people, so his actions should not be abstractly referred to as the actions of the "Greeks". Thirdly, Slavophones not all Slavophones today are recognised by neither themselves nor by others as "Macedonians", and any claims on the opposite are just unsourced POV. Slavophone Greeks do however have the status of "Greek citizens" in the same way that "French Arabs" have a French nationality and are only recognised as such. They are therefore equal by law, stop trying to lie about this on the article. 3634: 10624: 12911: 3162: 12840: 13271: 10580:. Like Decius said, what is yet to be proved is that ancient Macedonians did exist at the time, and they did live in region of Vardar. Let me remind you that ancient Macedon was initially much smaller than Greek Macedonia. Philip expansion integrated Northern lands (Southern FYROM), which was called Upper Macedonia and was inhabited by Thraco-Illyrians. The proper FYROM region was inhabited by Paeonians and Dardanians. Even if we take into consideration the "assimilatioon" theory, one will never prove that assimilation with actual "Ancient Macedonians" ever took place. It is most likely that those populations that assimilated with Slavs in FYROM, were Hellenized Thraco-Illyrians. According to 5420: 10219:, and if Dacia/Dacian was also claimed by a people to the south of these northerly "Dacian" people; and to make it even better, if to the northeast of these "Dacians" (Romanians), there was a country full of people who still called themselves Romanians, and who claim (with much historical evidence) that the "Dacians" only began calling themselves "Dacians" in the past 60 years or so, and before that they were known as Romanians and were the same people as the rest of the Romanians, with only regional differences. Then I would be applauding your skill at finding parallel examples. With that said, there are good arguments for either name for the article: 5996: 12670: 552:. Even if we reach some concensus here, how can I know that when we leave Knowledge (for various reasons) the article will not simply be changed by any nationalist from any of the sides? I am not planning to leave soon, but what if some nationalistic Macedonian, Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian etc... just appears one day and slowly, little by little changes this page into one that will fit his POV. I am not sure it is worthed to waste so much time, when users that were already banned on some other regional Knowledge for spreading propaganda can still be a part of this Knowledge and again, spread propaganda. 13029: 8520:'s name (POV), and then a Slavic-to-Greek conversion of a family name (that he probably invented himself). I've been reverting his edits mercilessly, only after I verified with admins that if falls under "official policy vandalism". He's been doing the same in other articles, that are still under his unsourced version. Ironically enough, he reported me in the AdminBoard under the fallacy that "I would blindly revert all edits from all users" on that article. He didn't only hide information but he also lied about my intentions. I urged him many times to read 6722:"These latest data dramatize even further the results obtained by Lewontin, leading one geneticist to conclude, "These results indicate that individual variation in DNA profiles overwhelm any interpopulational differences, no matter how the populations are racially or ethnically classified" (Cummings, 1994, p. 500). And while not quite as overwhelming, all the genetically based studies cited here support Lewontin's initial results, strongly indicating that the great majority of human variation does occur within human populations---not between them." 12764: 10678: 11556:"Macedonia" Bertrand de la Brocuiere didn't ment some part ot the present region of Macedonia (Vardar, Pirin or Aegean). Like many other authors he was influenced from some medieval ideas for Macedonia (the other authors was influenced from earliest antique's ideas for Balkan geography) and he clearly defined Macedonia in present day Thrace, in Maritsa valley. He wrote that the capital of Macedonia was Filipopolis (Plovdiv) in present Bulgaria. And when he talk about Macedonians he didn't ment the inhabitants of present Macedonia. 1099:(the proof is, as I pointed out, that the Moldovans in Romania did not proclaim their separateness from Romanians, nor was any assimilation done to prevent them from proclaiming this if they wanted to. So new "ethnic groups" can be created by outside forces who act on an initially regional impetus. Of course, each case is different. In the case of Macedonian, there was more difference in the language between Macedonian and standard (?) Bulgarian, whereas in Moldovan there is only some regionalisms. But still, it can happen.) 9440:- I feel that it's preferable to maintain the current disambiguation. "Macedonian people" is much too vague - it covers anyone who lives in Macedonia (Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Vlachs etc...). However, "Macedonians (ethnic group)" makes it clear that the article's subject is the ethnic group of that name. Note that in the other examples cited by Khoikhoi there's no confusion between the ethnic group and a geographical region as there is between Macedonians (ethnic and geographical)/Macedonia/Republic of Macedonia. -- 12043:": it shows proofs of being a very serious and conscientious work. Only it would be better if you used as examples names of people you are certain exist, and citing bothfirst and second name: while speaking of name transformations in Greek Macedonia, add example of true people, like "Vasil Natchev became Vasilios Natsulis", if you have been informed of such person whose name has had such modification. And adding to the article an image or two of documents of name changes from Bulgarian or Serbian Macedonia would be nice. 7749: 11028: 10825:. They just keep trying to make us believe that the "BULGARIAN Patriarchate of Orchid", is in fact the modern Macedonian Orthodox Church (not recognized by any christian body). Have a look at the contributions of the pre-mentioned users. All you can see is edit-warring, nationalist edits, edit-warring, POV-pushing and some edit-warring. So don't talk about "kicking around poor MacSlavs" and having "already empasised" enough. I find it hard to believe that you're the most unbiased editor yourself. 5127: 31: 12547: 11046: 12831: 5964: 5700: 5653: 5567: 5536: 5443: 5361: 5323: 5179: 5096: 5023: 4978: 4942: 4870: 4795: 4745: 4668: 4617: 4549: 4440: 4337: 4152: 4058: 3857: 3812: 3670: 3569: 3362: 3202: 3104: 3020: 2941: 2865: 2745: 2702: 2587: 2532: 2405: 2340: 2269: 2198: 2128: 2003: 1936: 1829: 1713: 1569: 1387: 1251: 1208: 1125: 574: 537: 511: 480: 454: 419: 379: 349: 314: 287: 245: 2915: 11329:, which was the official holder of the land. Your nationalist interpretation was straight-away "conquered from the Slavs!". Those are the results of a 60-year old nationalist propaganda, thank you for the demonstration. Melas was himself a Macedonian, a Greek one of course. He had no reason to regard his motherland as a foreign region. The "conquest" of (Greek) Macedonia from the Turks was in fact liberation to him. That's right, there have always been Greeks in 8837:"My family's name was originally Nachev; they were forced to change it in the 1920s to a Greek name. Two years ago I tried to change it back. I went to the nomarch's office to do it; I was told that it was a "foreign-sounding" name, and that I could not change it. I didn't appeal the decision. In theory it is possible to appeal such a thing, but I know from talking with others that there is no way I could win." 12103:(Emperor) of Romans and Serbs". Now the title of Emperor in the Middle Ages could only come from a connection with the Roman Empire, because this was the sole source of supreme legitimacy. The version you give of his title was only present in some versions of the law code, and I ask myself if it is a correct English translation, and if "Macedonian" isn't really "Roman". The source that give the transcript are nationist, so can harldly be trusted. 9547:- I really don't know. I doubt there will be a great confusion if it redirects to "Macedonian people" (it would also be consistent with other similar articles), but on the other hand, I don't know what's wrong with the current disambiguation. "Ethnic" is a relatively new word/concept in the Balkans, so the folks here tend to associate it (I guess) with the recent wars, and has a somewhat negative reputation. The word, in itself, is OK, however. -- 9646: 9400:: there has been a conflict between Greece and the state of Macedonia over the name "Macedonia", whether or not it should exclusively apply to the separate state or to the Greek region. "Macedonians" is not unambiguous whether it implies only the people of the Macedonian state, only the people of the Greek province, or "ethnic" Macedonians (that live in both countries) - so the bracketed qualifier "(ethnic group)" seems on its place to me. -- 4269: 12002: 9565:- I see no major problem with either of the titles/terms. Clearly, a "people" constitute a people (or nation) if they deem themselves to be a distinct collectivity of persons, and are identified as such by other peoples. If there is a need in this case to emphasize the distinction between peoplehood and citizenship or between similarly named peoples (past or present), then perhaps the title merits added considerations to disambiguate. 9352: 5486: 5409: 5306: 5218: 5118: 5043: 5005: 4900: 4849: 4497: 4463: 4406: 4227: 4213: 4199: 4181: 4129: 4095: 4011: 3940: 3741: 3718: 3696: 3406: 3322: 3236: 3068: 2788: 2764: 2722: 2627: 2427: 2302: 2292: 2235: 2151: 1917: 1806: 1754: 1734: 1672: 1606: 1544: 1428:. Apparently MATIA thinks that we are in violation of Knowledge policy by allowing the article to remain at Macedonians (ethnic group) and he asked users from the Greek Knowledge to "migrate" to the English WP and (quote): "δώσε ένα χεράκι" (i.e. give a hand, help). This concerted attempt to "force" a particular POV onto the English (i.e. the BEST) Knowledge is unacceptable. Knowledge should be neutral and we should all observe 12563: 8657: 7557:" right? That's interesting, because I could swear that I have see you constantly propagating on how the term "Slav" is a racial slur. Actually I don't even have to swear, all I have to do is browse the history of this discussion a little bit. But anyway, I suppose now it became "sometimes really annoying". Well, what can you do, times change, people change, hell even the names of nations change, isn't that right? 12741: 1490: 8547:, one was from the Human Rights Watch, done by independent researchers who have visited Greek Macedonia and done a report on it. The other two were Macedonian websites, but I chose them only because they had sourced, reliable references on their page with none or neutral POVs. Despite all these sources which he repetedly ignored and deleted, he was accusing me of vandalism and not knowing what sourcing was. Even 12656: 13102:. I don't understand something though - at no place in there does it say that restrictions and harrasment by the Greek authorities are the cause of the fact that the vast majority of "Slavophones" identify as Greeks. If there is such a section, please copy it here. I personally cannot find a reason for the Greek self identification of vast majority of the ethnic Macedonians in Greece in that document. -- 12865: 10295:" means they claim they are Italian. I'm going on about this because your example really is unsatisfactory (it's not quite, as you say, "maybe Romanians are part Roman, and maybe they're not", unless you mean "part Italic", which is irrelevant). The Macedonian situation is pretty different, nor do you seem to have had much of a clue about the Macedonian situation up until yesterday and today. Be as 7684: 1498: 10893:. His theory was that those lands were too fertile and gave Greeks the chance to develop rapidly their economy after WW2. Hence it should have been FYROM in the place of Greece now. I've heard this before and it's certain that you can find it on the internet somewhere. It wasn't told at random, it's an actual part of the ex-communist propaganda. I don't think I need to elaborate any further. 11042: 10735:, for example). IMO and in the opinion of many historians, Slavs invaded Macedonia before the Vlachs. I would be curious to see how many historians claim that Vlachs were in Macedonia before Slavs. The occasional Vlach or group of Vlachs may have went down into Macedonia for whatever reason before the Slavic invasion, but as a sizable mass, the Slavs were probably there before Vlachs. 2896:"So, which Greek census we can use, when Greece is ignoring and assimilating the Macedonians for more than 100 years?" It's true that Greece had done alot to get rid of minority languages, including the slavomacedonian language. One of the sad outcomes of the greek politicy in this subject is that we don't have any Greek census. But that doesn't mean we can use an imaginary census.-- 3077: 6055: 501: 7234: 11504:(from the records of the Synod of the Ohrid Archbishopric) - In 1891, Cardinal J. Pitra published a collection of documents (155 in number) which refer to the Ohrid Archbishopric during the time of Archbishop Demetrius Homatian (1216-1235). It is established from these records that in this period in Macedonia, the majority of the population consisted of Macedonians. 12873: 8283:"Forcibly" only means that the population exchange was done, as in the Greece-Turkey case, without asking the opinion of the local populations in both countries, and in both countries imposing the will of the government over that of the people. Or do you think that everybody was all too happy to leave his farm and village, to migrate to a future uncertain at best? 1045: 8294: 12727:"19th century ethnographers and travellers were generally united in identifying them as Bulgarians until the period between 1878 and 1912 when the rival propaganda machines of Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria succeeded in effectively splitting the Slavophone population of Macedonia into three distinct parties, a pro-Serbian, pro-Greek and pro-Bulgarian one" 13167: 11292:, and although I don't remember in detail, I'm sure as hell that it didn't have any implications on a "Macedonian nation". The Greeks were never aware of a Macedonian nation before 1991, neither were Bulgarians and apparently nor was anybody except the post-Tito Yugoslavians. Even if the book said something like that, your claim would fall under 8741:, thank you very much, now even more people owe me an apology. The fault is that you're coming up with a fictional example, for a possible fictional scenario. In other words you're turning the article into Sci&Fi (which is pretty much it anyway). Save your personal examples for your friends and family, but please keep them out of public view. 2696: 277: 7583:. But for the sake of you Greeks and propagandic nationalists who are stubournly trying to ignore facts and put the lowest number of Macedonians as possible, I was puting in the article "1.6 - 2 million Macedonians (est)" just to try to be nice. So lets just leave it at that and end this dispute since there is nothing to be disputed about. - 5901:. The latest census didn't have a separate graph for ethnic affiliation. This has caused several protests from the Greek and other minorities (including Macedonian) in Albania. This has to be mentioned in the text, as well as the information that estimates of Macedonians in Albania, vary from 5000 to 30000, which is a significant difference. 7694:, did you forget about that? They were also forced out of their houses, but of course Big Brother doesn't talk about it. Those were different times that cannot be judged with our meta-modern criteria. Haven't you ever thought that it's been a long time since your parents left Macedonia (the real one)? 2,000,000 Greeks were forced out of 13122:. Even worse is to say that because of "harrasment and discrimination" from the Greek government outlined in an old report that current identity politics and voting should be dismissed -- this is purely speculative and wouldn't cut it in an Opinion Editorial, much less here. Please don't fuss over trying to find the right wording for 12686: 6828:. Now, the reason for my concerns is not my opposition to that claim, but the fact than nobody seemed to dispute it, in times when the Ancient Macedonian ancestry was vigorously denied. How come? I haven't seen any sources that would support significant Bulgar, Kuman or Pecheneg influence in the Macedonians' ethnic complexity . -- 11067:- but when you think about it, many states and peoples are named after states and peoples that no longer exist as separate identifiable entities; often, successor states of ancient empires, direct descendants and cultural heirs are primarily found elsewhere or nowhere at all. Compare the etymologies of these these contemporary 8780:- This comment simply proves that you haven't been reading my edits. I haven't changed anything, I've pointed this out 3 times already, and one of them was right above your last edit. I never denied changes in placenames, and I didn't take it out of the article, I denied that those names were in fact "Macedonian" as opposed to 10181: 11435:, and point out that several scholars classify it as a Greek-Slavic language. If you don't do this, then you'll be using double standards. Until you do this, you don't have the right to isolate those quotes and put them here according to the interpretation you have chosen to give. Furthermore, this source would only satisfy 10997: 12064:" a general consensus that in the Middle Ages Macedonians and Bulgarians were one people" - this statement is simply not true. Which medieval history handbooks? Where does Ostrogorsky says this? The truth of the matter, there are much more Serbian references than Bulgarian in Macedonia in 14-18 century. Have a look here: 9846:: they're not going anywhere. If evidence and legitimate references exist for any of the various modern Macedonian claims, it will be included in the article in the main sections (otherwise, they will have to be relegated to a section describing modern unsubstantiated claims or else completely removed). I'll go find that 7221:. Plus, everyone who will search this article, will certainly search something about the Macedonians (as an ethnicity). Noone will get confused here with the Greek, Bulgarian or even Marsian Macedonians. So, I don't know what's Miskin's problem. I insist "Slavs" not to be mentioned there (for a hundred times). Regards, 12620: 12869: 3217: 10963: 11999:. I'd suggest that you use portraits of contemporary people, who are universally regarded as Macedonians (which haven't stated another nationality), such as your president or prime minister, some other important, influential or just popular figure and so on. These portraits now will only intensify any disputes. 8552: 6258:, though there is no way at present to verify this. If present, the transmission of genes from the ancient Macedonians could have happened via the descendants of Hellenized ancient Macedonians, many historians believing that the ancient Macedonians were completely Hellenized by the time of the Slavic arrival." 6041: 5611: 12583: 9954:(that's why "Italians are not complaining"). Being Academic is a good idea. I'm not upset, just a bit irritated by the murkiness of your statements; nor am I really that against "Macedonian people" for this article or anything. It's just the philosophy: "If you're going to do the math, do the math right". 9996: 11923:, who was later named into 'Bulgaroktonos' i.e. the "Bulgar-slayer". What more proof do you want in order to accept that Macedonian Slavs were part of the Bulgarian nation before the 20th century BC, and that "Macedonians" was a term which was reserved primarily for ethnic Greeks? A time-machine maybe? 13166: 12880: 12751: 12736: 12705: 12641: 12626: 12546: 12493: 12486: 12220: 12138: 12119: 12049: 12048: 11160: 11027: 10766: 10136: 8697: 8694: 7030: 6901: 6322: 5610: 5432: 5394: 3195: 3161: 3076: 2910: 2844: 2295: 2171: 2159: 1779: 1143: 1062: 903: 694: 342: 280: 13270: 12984: 12962: 12910: 12902: 12892: 12888: 12864: 12814: 12662: 12600: 12566: 12497: 11416: 11246: 11196: 11045: 11041: 10857: 10842: 10677: 10154: 8551: 8313: 7815: 7683: 7592: 7405: 6299: 6078: 6021: 5995: 5236: 5089: 4778: 4774: 4753: 3342: 3093: 3033: 2687: 2121: 563: 500: 372: 364: 303: 276: 13280: 13251: 13214: 13038: 12906: 12889: 12884: 12872: 12767: 12763: 12740: 12698: 12685: 12562: 11214: 10967: 10672: 10593: 10180: 9822: 8903: 8732: 8707: 8515: 8195: 7292: 6276: 5908: 5419: 4048: 3663: 3216: 2967: 2892: 2808: 1929: 1222: 1138: 1044: 942: 368: 307: 13028: 12996: 12876: 12868: 12856: 12830: 12809: 12320: 12134: 12028: 11626: 11426: 11022: 10996: 10623: 10372: 10335: 10305: 9645: 8720: 8669: 8579: 7869: 7698: 7615: 6784: 6040: 5875: 5553: 5126: 4372: 4330: 4268: 4122: 4028: 3838: 3501: 2691: 1264: 1197: 995: 334: 272: 12582: 12054: 10962: 9859: 8917: 8824: 8772: 8614: 8594: 7820: 7748: 7310: 6587: 6054: 5336: 5111: 5016: 3893: 2546: 2471: 1283: 972: 962: 922: 182: 13328: 13019: 12860: 12839: 12791: 12655: 12542: 11555: 11354: 10045: 9995: 9990: 9971: 9766: 8754: 8661: 8656: 8556: 7575: 7233: 3165: 2963: 2959: 2914: 2695: 2683: 1863: 1118: 13007: 12852: 12619: 11940: 10876: 10248: 10070:). Your example is weak. Bulgarians and Greeks, remember, claim these people only began calling themselves Macedonians in the past hundred years or less; if that's true, ain't no way that "it is the same situation" as the Romanian situation; by the way, more Romanians are interested in claiming 8293: 8068: 7079: 4694: 1348: 1347: 893: 210: 13329: 12227: 12129: 12098: 10794: 10586: 5587: 5377: 4785: 3633: 2140: 1506:Οι Κρητικοί ήταν και είναι Έλληνες. Και κυρίως νιώθουν Έλληνες. Οι Σκοπιανοί από το 1940 περίπου βαφτίστηκαν Μακεδόνες κι όλα γίναν μακεδονικά. Μακεδονικό δηνάριο, δημοκρατία μακεδονίας, μόνο τον χαλβά δε μας φάγανε ακόμα. Το νόμισμά τους όπως και τα υπόλοιπα είναι κομμάτι της προπαγάνδας τους. 1244: 12400: 9700: 8314: 4516: 2930: 2580: 12669: 7131:... I really don't know why all Balkan people are so obsessed with him, I think we should be more focused on the future, and on putting an end to our present economic, political and cultural impotence. That is not to say that the past is not important, but we shouldn't be obsessed with it. -- 5616: 1087: 12604: 10010: 6640: 206: 13205: 12596: 12592: 12482: 11906: 8858: 8675: 6916: 3003: 2960: 12200: 9877: 7821: 9792: 9718: 8565:. On top of this, he is always insulting the Macedonian people as a whole in his talk. Anyway, I am glad that the article was protected, and that Miskin was blocked from reverting any more. Hopefully, he learned his lesson and will stop this nonsense unless he wants to get blocked again. 2353: 12330:"Va p doi mesi cheo mi trovo in Servia visitando queste vile contorno Prisren che e Servia Inferiore, che la Servia Superore questa esta passat e stata gran mortalita della pesta, e che p alcuni mesie stata cessata.Hora di novo si trovano loughli infetati Scopia,Jagnevo, e Montenevo"... 12259: 9771:. It's doubtful you could even refer to them as "a regional unit" in that time, but that's very possible; I would have to see the references. Both sides need more references here, but the ancient Macedonian claim needs a specific legitimate reference. I have not read Kanchov or Weigand. 8847: 6480:, and some genes are lost during reproduction. You may have inherited a gene from yout mother, but that does not mean that it will be passed to your children. It may be lost. Genes are not used to determine ancestry outside those limited cases (pure patrilineal or matrilineal descent). 12978: 4893: 12737: 10602: 932: 12877: 7461: 12805: 3180: 4399: 8708: 7936: 7753: 11247: 7056: 4931: 11631:, and his father was called Josif, a priest, and his grandfather, Stoiman, a priest. I also took the surname of Makedonski, and not that of my father or grandfather, so that it may be known that we are Slavs from Macedonia. On the day of the Great Holy Mother of God, 1846. 5547:^^ the albanian population is for the vast part illegal and therefore should not be counted. and how exaclty is Greece repressing the rainbow party by allowing it to compete in elections rather than smothering it as is the case with the Greek minority in FYROM and Albania 4991: 2665: 11296:. Like 99% of your edits, you're trying to push another a nationalist misinterpretation into the article. Just have a look at your personal page, what on earth is that thing? Wake up and smell the roses, what do you think you're doing in wikipedia? It's never gonna work. 4254: 7118:, there. I've already stated that I actually don't believe that the number of Macedonians is that high. I think that the other editors should reconsider my proposal, as well, and I'll leave it to them to decide whether we should put that number in the article, or not. -- 4971: 4719: 2620: 12511: 265: 10576:" I could put a bet that those two scholars never said "Slavs mixed with ancient Macedonians", like you constantly imply. Those scholars must have said that the Slavic peoples that invaded the Balkans mixed the indegenious population, which is pretty much stating the 4713: 13117: 8851: 8243: 3659: 13195: 9666: 7406: 9626: 13023: 12193: 11165:. So, again, all of you, please see the disputed sentenced above and put some comments about them, or if you are willing to discuss another subject please open a new section. So far, my first proposal seems to be accepted, but I'm not sure about the second one? -- 1563:) is quite bussy in something which is not so ridiculous as this dispute is, but I would like to ask him to express his oppinion on this kind of actions. Are we allowed to do them? If we are allowed, we should know, so we can react respectivly. Thanks in advance. 12709:"Medieval sources traditionally describe them as Bulgarians, a definition which survived well into the period of Ottoman rule as attested by the Ottoman archives and by descriptions of historians and travellers, for example Evliya Celebi and his Book of Travels. 12135: 12075: 6010: 5237: 2172: 13231: 12715:"In the late 19th century and the beginning of 20th century, there were lot of clashes of Serbophile Chetniks (originating from Macedonia) and Bulgarophile Komitas all over the Slavic-speaking Macedonia, which shows the lack of their proper national feeling." 6588: 1452: 567: 13179: 12360: 12147: 8492: 2114: 5978:"Other ethnic minorities in Serbian Macedonia were also persecuted during the inter-war period, with thousands being arrested." I'll erase this. Where is the source for that? My gradfather lived in Macedonia until 1948 and he told me it was not true. C'mon. 11933: 12463: 8767: 7593: 5295: 10808: 3299: 8892: 7874: 5316: 11404: 3013: 8113: 202: 2964: 442: 6941: 4104: 1522: 11687: 7380: 7358: 12554: 12518: 12309: 447: 12574: 8017: 6765: 6557:. No pseudo-science to say that so-and-so a people have genes from such-and-such an ancient people. It's an accepted manner of speaking in these fields. Of course, nothing on this subject should be added without credible sources in this article. 2660: 2089: 12985: 12055: 7616: 11511: 4738: 2398: 3271: 12393: 1110: 13020: 12695:"The geographical region of Macedonia, which is divided between Bulgaria, Greece and the Republic of Macedonia, has been inhabited by a variety of other peoples including Albanians, Bulgarians, Jews, Turks, Serbs, Roma, Greeks and Vlachs." 5617: 4072: 698: 10266: 1743: 6641: 3097: 2060:'s nationalistic edits that he has no sources about. That is just another of his nationalistic POVs. And this is also another of his tacktics of moving our attention away from the real problem and wasting time here. As you probably know, 952: 12948: 11976: 6204: 1665: 1190: 11179: 10011: 3506: 6794: 6348: 2805: 357: 12401: 11268: 10468: 10421: 2075:'s nationalistic claims. On the other side, every major human rights organization in the world which is present in the region has given harsh critics towards Greece for its poor (or non-existant) human rights given to the minorities. 7212: 1537: 12426: 6415: 12446: 11355: 9661: 12633: 10926: 5172: 504: 12535: 12453: 12285: 12272: 9740: 7790: 5952:. Dispete the kinky past, nowdays the Macedonians and the Serbs are extremely close and support each other. I personally have several Serbian friends that I love as my brothers and sisters. I would give my life for some of them. 3850: 1114: 174: 10775: 2931: 1432: 1380: 8918: 559: 12433: 9719: 2191: 10227:. There are of course Macedonians who don't make all those claims, and simply reserve the right to call themselves Macedonians and claim some ancient Macedonian heritage, which few people I think would have a problem with. 11134: 8662: 2934: 12733:"The key events in the formation of a distinctive "Macedonian" identity thus came during the first half of the 20th century in the aftermath of the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913 and especially following the Second World War." 12292: 12143: 11376:(practically a dialect of the former). Don't you see too many coincidences there? Repeated coincidence, is not a coincidence. Who are you trying to convince of the "Macedonian nation"'s long existence, us, or yourselves? 564: 10211:); not only that, many Macedonians believe that the ancient Macedonians were a Slavic people, and the modern people are their direct descendants. Romanians would be a good parallel example if Romanians called themselves 10202: 9690: 8842: 7015: 6022: 5354: 4569: 234: 4735:) supervise this. Until now, you have been quite neutral and it seems that you know enought about the topic. I am just sorry for all the time you would have to spend. I hope that it will at least result into a solution. 3562: 13053: 7008: 4935: 2852: 4859: 12172: 11485:? Do you know where was the Hungarians in 9 century AD(except after 895, i.e. in the end of 9 century itself). Please, quote the sources right and then we will see what it prove (if it proves something). Regards, -- 12252: 12186: 11419: 8688: 12810: 11139: 8557: 6323: 12419: 10905: 11414:, written by David Ricks and Michael Trapp. Page 48 viewed on Google book search. This chapter is about Macedonia and Macedonians mentioned in Delta's novel "Secrets of the swamp". I will tell you what it says. 8777: 8473: 6449:). This can prove patrilineal descent, as chromosomes contain DNA. However, as Chromosomes are mixed during fertilisation, they are not used in determining ancestral links, due to the question of what is whose. 1186: 12558: 12373: 12380: 12207: 5156: 13241: 13185: 13151: 13107: 3221: 776: 9328: 5399:. Also, please sign your name at the end of your post with four tildes ~~~~ as this will produce your name and the date-time. When you have come up with an acceptable and neutral proposal, please inform us. 4077:? Everyone should be treated equally, and I'm sure that if you searched in the .mk domains for "Macedonian Slavs" and then for "Macedonians", the overwhelming majority of results would be for "Macedonians". 1403: 4414: 3124: 1992: 12504: 11161: 6353: 2511: 1107: 6358:). In other words, when you say you have your father's eyes; that is inaccurate. Your eye colour is controlled by a group of genes, which are cut-and-pasted randomly from all your ancestors (according to 4640:. Is it the naming dispute? Is it the number of Macedonians in various countries? Is it a certain point in their history? Unless we specify that we would always get stuck in general forum-like discussion 3728: 555: 308: 11018:. There are no traces of cultural assimilation that would Support Slavic Macedonian claims, not a single one. Why would you ask from us to show sympathy for something as scientifically ludicrous? Modern 8636: 6953: 1417: 607: 10036: 7772: 7109: 2918: 10715:; south of that, the evidence leads scholars to include the region of Macedonia in the sphere of Hellenization. By the way, I know of no proof (though such proof may exist and I may be mistaken) that 2395: 10903: 2684: 13199: 11955: 8502:" can be included, but it most be noted that the Greeks use "Macedonian" as a regional identifier, as well to add the fact that it is unknown whether the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks, or not. -- 7745: 7337: 6981: 2716: 114: 7293: 7031: 780: 656: 11742: 10968: 12177: 10589:"), the Macedonians had been fully Hellenized well into the Hellenistic age (assuming that they were ones a non-Greek people). Furthermore, I think it's irrational to try and determine a modern 6727:--It is pseudoscience to speak of "their ancestry", so my revision changed an erroneous generalization to a consideration of the ancestry of a random individual Macedonian (ethnic group) member: 8935: 8825: 1368: 304: 269: 12881: 12166: 11459: 11012: 8365: 4081:. In English, these people are more commonly known as Macedonians (how else whould you explain the fact that the vast majority of encyclopaedias and sources refer to them in this way). Again, 3030: 12407: 6515: 1780: 12849: 2889: 1468: 6091: 474: 8595: 6928: 4782: 2859: 10155: 9035: 7803: 5990: 2071: 1707: 986: 13234: 10821: 5772: 13307:, please stop adding "unrelated" to the disambig header; it is just going to annoy some of our editors and readers can figure out what disambiguation pages are used for by themselves. 12342: 4282: 2739: 1421: 10215: 6566: 3839: 3356: 1425: 8628: 4611: 3511:- regarded the Macedonians as non-Greek barbarians. On the other hand Macedonian kings regarded themselves as Greek. All inscriptions in ancient tombs and relics are in Greek related 12597: 2480:. Just don't go about talking about NPOV and human rights (not you, I mean Sterbinski, what the hell does this have to do with anything) and avoid to recognize that there are simply 1273: 1066: 10028:(the distinction I made above was between later citizens of the Roman Empire, who could be simply Romanized indigenous peoples who were Romanized by the colonists; vis-a-vis direct 9079: 8634:" This only describes what the Greeks think now and thought back then, when they regarded that Slavic population as Bulgarian. I'm sourcing everything I just said from Britannica: " 6734:, and in absence of references neither my version nor the previous version (which was both pseudo-scientific and unsourced) is acceptable. What annoyed me here extremely is the way 5505: 4379: 11937: 2522: 12525: 9418:- The official UN name is FYROM, and the name of the ethnic group is generally disambiguated as "Macedonian Slavic", even in Britannica articles. This article should move back to 8728: 8031: 6000: 5228: 4536: 1238: 10400:. You had the faintest clue what you were talking about, and yet you attempted to pontificate. I already knew all that stuff I discussed, I provided the links for others to read. 10090:. Nothing really wrong with that until it becomes ingrained national mythology, and we know what national mythology can lead to. As far as the name of the article goes, I prefer 7690: 6100: 8733: 8700: 7114: 6958: 6738: 631: 9239: 2108: 12846: 10702:, Macedon and Paeonia (FYROM) were well into those Hellenized territories. It's delusional to be speaking of a Latinization. Either that or you're just scared to say "Greek". 6808: 6286: 6110: 2473: 12928: 10698: 2334: 12616:"Licno ime Srbin u krajevima danasnje BJRM ("male name Srbin in the areas of todays FYROM") ",pp.41-44 in: Jovan F. Trifunoski "Makedoniziranje Juzne Srbije", Beograd, 1995 2680: 1800: 7928: 7149: 6917: 5159: 3502: 2086: 12180: 11896: 11673:. What you quoted ironically proves the opposite of what you and the other nationalists want to believe. That the "Macedonians" prior to the 20th century BC, were not the 11663: 11023: 8057: 5581:== 1944 secretary of state assertion that the yugoslav post ww2 proposal of a "Macedonian " Fatherland, conscience and ethnicity had no political or historical reality == 4001:)? Again, countless reasons have been put forward why they should be called Macedonians and you couldn't give a single reason why they should be called Macedonian Slavs. 2979: 9656: 8488: 6162: 11969: 11894: 11661: 10755: 10739: 9325: 4166: 3930: 1887: 1180: 12792: 10271: 7786: 7511: 3627: 12796:". Karposh was mortolosbashi (chief of christian auxiliary forces) in the region between Sofia and Kjustendil (Kjustendil, Sirishtnik and Radomir) in present Bulgaria. 12457: 11902: 10574: 9684: 7973:, but mabey this information corresponds better with your intelligence and preferences, mabey I should have put this instead of that "trash" I presented to you above: 5923: 5913: 5244: 5141: 13090: 9527: 8875:? Change it back the way it was on your own. You have still to prove that Lerin was in official use over Florina. All official records I have refer to the villaet of 5861: 5647: 5474: 5429: 1292: 11489: 9675: 8773: 8484: 6045:. Otherwise, WP will give more prominence to the idea that the Slavs mixed with Greeks, not ancient Macedonians (who would no longer be ancient in Byzantine times). 5880: 3582: 10858: 10706: 10607: 10556: 8209: 8081:. Every time unverified information is added, I'll be removing it until it gets verified. Adding back unverified information while it has been questioned, violates 5347: 5017: 3744: 1966: 13268: 12931:"A real and recent number, which can allow readers to estimate an order of magnitude, is the people voting for a slavic macedonian political party in 2004: 6,176 ( 12214: 10551: 10498: 10451: 10404: 10359: 9324: 6804: 6327: 6304:, then fine. You can say that they are the descendents of these people. Genes are relevant to what they inherited from their ancestors, not their ancestry itself. 5945: 4491: 4259: 4052: 3010: 648: 11981: 11971: 11681: 10000: 9503: 7376: 1984: 12130: 11945: 10727:. If there were early Romance speakers in the province, no reason to suppose they spoke a Proto-Romanian dialect (Vulgar Latin in the Balkans developed into the 5182: 1930: 1211: 9243: 9225: 8964: 8240: 3843: 3788: 2535: 2408: 1728: 1128: 664:]. This is not the first case that Greece loses and it certainly will not be the last one, having on mind that several other similar cases are still on a trial. 12011: 11966: 11891: 11658: 10560: 10519: 9864: 9854: 9827: 9797: 9775: 9749: 9723: 9705: 9695: 9466: 9444: 9426: 9222: 8969: 3062:, what has been published by a reputable publisher shall be used in the article regardless whether Mik (which means "friend" in Arvanitic) believes it or not. 2809: 2283: 1784:. Page moves should be done with consensus, not at the whims of you and Theathenae. A suitable consensus will be found. If you want to learn WP policies, read 11927: 10473: 10426: 10377: 10340: 10253: 10231: 10141: 10106: 9976: 9958: 9484: 9091: 8400:. Obviously someone tried to pass it as some sort of factual evidence that needs to be added in the article, and obviously he was made a fool out of himself. 6663: 5937: 5162: 4709: 13001: 12586: 11201: 11190: 10944: 9915:, but this is for the sake of expedience) in a sizable part from such citizens, as well as (no historian that I know of challenges this) in part from direct 9571: 9261: 5395: 4786: 2343: 2272: 2201: 2131: 1096: 756: 703: 686: 677: 618: 239: 12601: 12263:"Rumeli und Bosna,Geographisch beschrieben von Mustapha Ben Abdalaih Hadschi Chalfa aus dem turkischen ubersetzt von J. von Hammer" Wien 1812 pp.80; pp.97 11990: 11144: 11116: 10972: 10326: 10127: 9608: 9599: 6752: 6627: 6614: 6574: 6561: 6470: 6439: 6424: 6315: 6170: 6131: 6083: 5967: 4671: 4552: 4476: 3860: 3815: 13055: 12903: 11569: 11448: 10736: 10548: 10495: 10448: 10401: 10356: 10323: 10228: 10124: 10103: 9955: 9851: 9824: 9772: 9720: 9692: 9605: 9596: 9524: 9371: 9355: 9109: 9088: 7144: 6805: 6771: 6753: 6739: 6660: 6624: 6589: 6571: 6558: 6467: 6436: 6421: 6324: 6287: 6278: 6167: 6141: 6128: 6080: 6046: 5744: 5713: 5703: 5285: 5099: 4443: 4340: 4296: 4061: 3673: 3487: 2868: 2613: 2590: 2551: 2493: 2382: 2078: 2006: 1716: 1241: 1093: 913: 12989: 12099: 11219: 10799: 9882: 8413:, it would have been Sterbinski (or his team) :o)) I actually think this is quite good, possibly even better than the Albano-Phoenician inscription hoax. 7533: 7524: 7158: 6886: 6872: 6847: 5309: 5221: 3767: 3552:. And, BTW, this text is a try to make difference between the modern Macedonians and the Antique Macedonians, a try that turned into a serious POV pusher. 2782: 1021: 787: 215: 7135: 5982: 4981: 4798: 4762: 4748: 4299: 3656:). This is a thing that has to be a part of the text. It is enought of the anti-Macedonians nationalistic claims that Tito was the one who "invented" us. 3572: 3144: 2705: 2496: 2430: 12967: 12085: 11032: 10351: 10306: 9112: 8426: 5656: 4945: 4724: 4620: 3643: 2883::) Actualy I have traveled to Florina more than 50 times and I have spent there more than two years of my life. That's because I am partialy from there. 2385: 1956: 1390: 1254: 1070: 1049: 11050: 10847: 10829: 10682: 10655: 10628: 10185: 10163: 10015: 7519: 7481: 7394: 7122: 7088: 6392: 6127: 6069: 6065: 5690: 4834: 4386: 4309:: if we analyse all the comments on the poll, the renaming of this page (I've mentioned before that I don't know which name should be used, please see 4005: 3712: 3365: 3205: 3129: 3107: 3023: 2944: 1173: 13155: 13134: 12956: 9650: 7502: 7455: 7367: 5570: 5539: 5412: 5326: 5026: 4873: 4155: 4014: 3980: 3943: 3094: 2748: 2569: 2327: 2256: 2164: 2154: 1939: 1832: 1572: 13333: 13319: 12107: 12059: 11868: 11380: 11341: 8803: 8584: 7410: 6975: 6533: 6266: 6049: 6029: 4918: 4529: 2837: 2048: 1920: 982: 626: 13171: 13072: 12756: 11783: 11754: 11725: 11692: 11261: 8939: 8926: 8908: 8287: 8140: 8131: 7959: 7807: 7442: 7427: 7315: 7225: 5082: 4964: 4852: 4604: 4589: 4500: 4466: 4098: 4024: 3699: 3604: 3451: 2519: 2454: 1771: 1696: 1675: 12782: 12089: 11959: 9515: 9062: 9049: 5934: 5739: 5682: 4454: 3721: 765: 10922: 10494: 8624: 7622: 6290: 6281: 5379: 4682: 4456: 4273: 3993:: more sources call these people Macedonians than Macedonian Slavs and Macedonian Slavs is offensive. Or does the offensive become policy only in 3148: 2791: 13245: 13189: 13111: 12772: 12476: 12348: 10912: 10881: 8799:" - I've been saying it all along, it's you who never cared to understand what my argument was about and preferred to blindly revert me instead. 8265: 5489: 5467: 5387: 5383: 3325: 3280: 3038: 2983: 2900: 2630: 1659: 12914: 8763:). It doesn't prove nor imply the existence of a separate "Macedonian Slavic" nation. I've seen POV-pushing which tried to present the medieval 6221: 6059: 3601: 3409: 3347: 3239: 1036: 853: 13237: 13221: 13181: 13147: 13103: 13069: 13040: 12986: 12915: 12671: 12030: 11169: 10788: 8972: 8695: 8044: 6012: 5997: 5979: 4169: 4089:. I have said, that as far as I am concerned, those guidelines apply until you find a good reason for this case to be treated as an exception. 1757: 1359: 1104: 670: 12630: 9404: 8883:, so in order to be fair, we have to point out that MacSlavs or Bulgarians (your call) changed Greek toponyms into Slavic. What do you think? 7073: 7035: 2305: 2238: 1809: 1614: 1277: 1231: 13058: 12413: 11995: 10116: 9586: 9459: 9441: 8951: 8465: 7463: 7386: 7294: 7279: 7196: 7003: 6735: 6592: 6530: 6501: 6451: 6400: 6368: 6306: 6207: 6190: 6143: 6112: 6015: 5928: 4961: 4759: 4732: 4721: 4586: 4270: 3969: 3484: 3471: 599: 10897: 9327:, whereas if you search for "Macedonians", but exclude the words: Greece, Greek, Bulgaria, Bulgarian Ancient and Alexander, you get 225,000 9058: 9025: 8792: 1737: 1119: 12487: 11257: 10291:, older identifications having vanished; nor does the ethnonym involve a claim of Italic descent, any more than Greeks calling themselves " 7829: 7657: 7020: 6962: 6946: 6932: 6910: 6519: 6510: 6460: 6409: 6377: 5248: 5145: 1532: 7795: 5852: 4434: 3000: 1873: 1372: 1302: 923: 13275: 12567: 12299: 12154: 11795:"Wake up and smell the roses Tanevski, all those medieval and pre-20th century references to "Macedonians" are actually referring to the 11175: 7052:, regardless whether is true or not - Knowledge is not here to determine the "objective truth" - it is here to describe the disputes the 5843: 5264: 5165: 4843: 4172: 4078: 3344: 3182: 3126: 3080: 3035: 2980: 2897: 2846: 2812: 2776: 2670: 2179: 1429: 11669: 11439: 8410: 8351: 8308: 8273: 8251: 8097: 8035: 7941: 7777: 7703: 7666: 5637: 4689: 2821: 2263: 1619: 1160: 1017:'s happiness. It is about the identity of 2 million people, the only identity they know. Would you dare to try to take it away from us? 577: 13043: 12724: 12648: 12522:"Le Voyager francois, ou la connoissance de l' ancien et du noveau monde mis au jour par M. l' Abbe Delaporte", tome XXIII, Paris,1777 9551: 6832: 6799: 5446: 5364: 1877: 1463: 97: 13298: 13285: 12543: 12528: 12470: 11443: 11300: 11251: 10782: 9480:- It can generate confusion between those that have a Macedonian national identity and those that have a Macedonian regional identity 9176: 6137: 5501: 4912: 4703: 4652: 2767: 2725: 1609: 1547: 13033: 12367: 12160: 11965: 11417: 11325: 9767: 8495: 6789: 6774: 6756: 5644: 5351: 5204: 3912: 3653: 1868: 1859:(not in the real world). I have a proposal - since the naming dispute is more or less resolved on WP, I propose to resolve the other 1472: 1445: 523: 194: 89: 84: 72: 67: 59: 7350: 6216: 6199: 6152: 6121: 4585: 4392: 4376: 4369: 846: 12387: 11063: 4485: 4424: 4322: 4114: 4038: 2825: 1152:). The vast majority of people in Britain have in fact Germanic roots, both linguistically and probably via descent. The people of 638: 145: 130: 126: 122: 118: 12663: 12327: 10711: 9585: 8950: 8506: 7561: 7466: 7302: 7287: 7238: 7204: 6742: 6525: 5046: 4921: 4579: 4310: 4287: 12721:"During the Turkish rule, the Macedonians had little or no political and national identity of their own until the 20th century." 12397:"Chtenija v imperatorskom' obshtesvja istorii i drevnosti Rossiiskih pri Moskovskom univerziteta" Moskva 1896 II 5th part pp.4a 11242:, hence the Greeks admit that they have conquered Macedonian territory". You have to cite Mr X's credible, neutral, and unbiased 8954: 8897: 8391: 7332: 6262: 5889: 5825: 3754: 1477: 1056: 12201: 9589: 9031: 6649: 5121: 5090: 5008: 4903: 4230: 4216: 3619: 641:, alongside Belgium and Germany and above such countries as Canada, Britain, France, Australia and the United States of America. 12918: 12674: 12501: 12033: 9639: 8887: 8813: 8659: 8644: 8532: 8468: 8461: 4146: 3343: 1199: 12819: 12745: 12266: 10649: 8404: 7947: 7044:. Somebody erased my remark that "Macedonian communities in Albania claim numbers as high as 150,000". What these communities 4917: 4409: 4293: 4290: 4202: 4184: 4132: 13063: 12768: 12699: 10767: 10443: 8681:. The Macedonian ethnic group wasn't created in the 1940's, it was officially recognized in the Yugoslav state in the 1940's. 8639: 8543: 7338: 7192: 6728: 5727: 5670: 1888: 1847: 865:, but I do not think that you realise how deep is this issue. Not just for me, as a Macedonia. For all the region as a whole. 728: 721: 13077: 7741: 7084: 6271: 1511: 1409: 1351: 13220: 12923: 11941: 11333:, stop hiding behind your fingers. As the data reveals, they've been the majority of the population, even in the vilaet of 7835: 5871: 5454: 5434: 5240: 5137: 4175:, "Macedonians" shall be used until MATIA and/or Theathenae can give a valid reason why "Macedonian Slavs" should be used. 3763: 3185: 3083: 2815: 1325: 1169: 9911: 8809: 5255: 3071: 12246: 9814: 6491: 5723: 5664: 5558: 5509: 3295: 2014: 12279: 8497:....the Greek population that has historically inhabited the northern-most region of the Greek peninsula, also known as 8136: 6674: 3483: 2649: 831: 13281: 12802: 12302:"Cratovo, dove saranno 40 fouchi di Catolici....habitata da Turchi di qualita, Serviani , et 160 anime piu Catoliche" 12240: 10006: 6659:. But it's not "so what" to the Macedonian (ethnic group)/Macedonian Slavs. It is their claims we are addressing here. 6420: 6340:- nevertheless, in the absence of a source, such claims could be rendered POV. Especially considering the DIY phrasing 5557: 4221: 2996: 2252:, but has neither the time nor the propensity to get actively involved. I am chatting to him on MSN as we speak... ;)-- 1683:: I would laugh but I can't. As for the edits... I have 1797 here and 1468 in greek WP (both are since my registration 11721:? And what about Pavlos Melas anyway? Oh, I know, they were all Slavs not Greek. There's some homework for you to do. 10723:, not just to any Vulgar Latin or early Balkan Romance speakers. Vlachs much more likely came from lands north of the 10373: 8231: 6079: 5073: 3989:. There was no consensus for Macedonian Slavs and Macedonians plain was and is more in favour. This all comes down to 2772: 2736: 2182: 1972: 1088: 11950: 10719: 7566: 3960: 868: 797: 7061:. Personally I believe the number of 150,000 Macedonians in Albania is a bit far fetched, but that won't change the 6706: 5763: 2856: 2034: 1227: 828: 211: 11361: 11106: 9257:- Yes, I agree this article to be a standard one, just like all others (English people etc., as mentioned before). 6300: 6035: 5263: 996: 611: 6582: 5955: 1270: 13311:, please stop adding that line about Macedonians being "native" to some region or other. Instead, please find a 12775:, Thank you about qualifing of my words like bullshit. Thus you save my trouble to embark in theorethical themes. 8269: 6971:, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for beginning to use Talk pages to discuss editing the article. 5498: 4825: 4632: 4142: 3934: 2101: 1148: 47: 17: 11528: 10865: 3559: 2921: 2311: 2064: 2027: 2024: 1437: 167:, others call them Skopjians. I can't even keep track. All this fussing and fighting isn't getting us anywhere. 10760: 9275:- There is no reason why Macedonians should not be labelled as people, Macedonian people makes more sense then 8511: 6005: 5754: 1896: 1092: 10299:, if you can. Really, only an imbecile can believe that Romanians have absolutely no Roman (not talking about 9164:... Have I made my point across? I mean, "Macedonians" and "Macedonian people" are interchangeable, just like 9013:... Have I made my point across? I mean, "Macedonians" and "Macedonian people" are interchangeable, just like 8797: 7865: 4382: 4365: 2118: 1952: 11234: 8610: 7025: 6896: 6398: 5595: 2019: 1329:, Vlachs and even Italians, as well other nations, who live the lives of saints" - Angiolelo about Mt. Athos 1310: 12440: 10983: 6956: 6366:, but that's about it. Every person's genes are unique (except twins and clones). You cannot inherit genes. 5622: 3690: 1762: 591: 11549: 10314: 9313: 8977: 8457: 7341: 6138: 4082: 3985: 3523: 3267:) was in the so called "untied countries" (nor the west, nor the east). Greece took the place to enter the 2975: 2653: 2160: 519: 8619:, what I denied were your silly examples, generalizations, and anachronistic use of the term "Macedonian". 6543: 5605: 3686:. You're implying that it was not an honourable move, but a sneaky and dishonest one. As far as I can see 633: 186: 11431:, and that no 'Macedonian Slavic' ethnicity is mentioned at the time. You'd also need to add this in the 10724: 10208: 9302: 8438: 7324: 6042: 3512: 3176: 2644: 2367: 1864: 614: 582: 13258: 12702:"The Macedonians had little or no political and national identity of their own until the 20th century." 12354: 9172:. What's the point of having "(ethnic group)" in the title when you can just say "Macedonian people"? -- 9021:. What's the point of having "(ethnic group)" in the title when you can just say "Macedonian people"? -- 6708: 3539: 1454: 1322:, Albanians, Esclavoni, Razici, Serbians..." - Bertradon de la Broquier, The 15th century travel-writer 11365: 10882: 10822: 10220: 10120: 10091: 9892: 9512: 9218: 9125: 9032: 8558: 8063: 7628: 5275: 5205: 5197: 3919: 3894: 3800: 3592: 2997: 2371: 1908: 1398: 682: 236: 141: 38: 12974: 12885: 12539: 11627: 9671: 9580: 8445: 8281: 8172: 4207: 1457:. I sincerely hope that you will mend your ways. All I want is to find a reasonably neutral compromise 12666: 12126: 10732: 9331: 9105: 8605:, Atanasoski becoming Atanopoulos). This was a government sponsered process known as "Hellenization". 4840: 4696: 4518: 4251: 4190: 4165: 4086: 4002: 3961: 3927: 3687: 2023: 1884: 1318: 163: 12907: 9210:- I believe that the article should be "Macedonians" or "Macedonian people" ... and naturally, that 9039: 8157: 2907: 1823:, please provide some neutral source. Not a nationalistic pro-Greek page such as www.macedonia.com. 662: 13014: 11750:) nowadays. It is a totally strange name for them to be identified with. That's what I've thought. 11229: 8959: 6096: 5054: 3759: 3556: 2925: 1687: 1332: 1287: 1165: 983: 8788: 8750:) that have been listed earlier in this page, and they mean nothing. Take a look at the hoax that 8051: 6635: 6545:. Even National Geographic makes use of such formulations as "modern populations on the island of 6495: 2248: 884:(not just the mediator or any other single user) here to answer me simply few questions of my own: 343: 12627: 12008: 11912: 11565: 10750: 10720: 8397: 8362: 6770: 5717: 5280: 1892: 13092: 12234: 10889:) was trying to convince me that Greece is in the EU because of the supposedly "stolen" land of 10515: 10025: 3079: 2082:" written as nationality. Also, my Mexican wife is also registered as Mexican, no matter she is 1748:. You caused a dispute, now a poll shall resolve the dispute with a consensus once and for all. 695: 11908: 11864: 11645:"I asked him what language they spoke, and my Greek interpreter carelessly rendered the answer 11356: 10930: 9120: 8904: 8449: 7699: 7577: 6105: 5789: 4250: 1904: 1789: 158: 13215: 12551: 11746:. But, admit it, there are no Greeks who describe themselves as "Macedonians" (something like 10988: 6939: 5798: 5669: 3922:, you would see that "Macedonians" got more actual votes. Was there a consensus to keep it at 3876: 3729: 13130: 11771:? Byzantium was referred to the West as "Empire of the Greeks" or "Greece", read the article 11481: 10862: 10712: 9896: 9628: 9401: 9306: 8868: 8676: 8226: 7176: 5390: 4564: 4385: 3260: 12589: 12508: 10594: 6669: 5816: 2323:. Sockpuppetry is a rather immature practice - you really should reconsider your approach.-- 2036:. Selective denial of the mere existence of ethnic minorities in his country, thinly-veiled 207: 190: 12623: 12139: 11001: 10642: 9932: 9338: 8368: 8185:- prove that this type of project has ever existed officially under that name (as implied). 7170: 6779: 5807: 5730: 4699: 4573: 2477: 1842: 339: 12638: 12608: 5267:, the article title must contain the word "Macedonians". There is a wide range of choices: 4642: 2142: 335: 8: 13100: 11776: 11584:(from the "Letter of Protection From the Emperor Leopold I to the Macedonian People") - " 11432: 11373: 10292: 10087: 9843: 9498: 8945: 8785: 8606: 8479: 8453: 8418: 8383: 8175: 8120: 8104: 8086: 7643: 7600: 7128: 7081: 6918: 6526: 6446: 6177: 6025: 4539: 3796: 3755: 3439: 3301: 3051: 2513: 2438: 2375: 2363: 1161: 1089: 904: 12065: 8755:"Macedonians" That fits very well to the disambiguation pages that we already have (see 8460:. If you have reached agreement or want the page unprotecting, please post a request on 8370:, but it is really a nice episode to illustrate how (a) this battle is really fought on 6982: 5067: 4286: 3293: 1997: 1344: 1194: 1059: 491: 427: 13315: 12975: 12652: 12005: 11996: 11920: 11796: 11714: 11670: 11369: 11330: 10795: 10745: 10728: 10094:(not to curb any national mythology, but because it seems to work fine) and would like 9321: 8860: 8721: 8717: 8629: 8498: 8446: 8442: 8192: 7925: 7526: 7474: 7343: 7154: 6999: 6990: 6882: 6843: 6488: 6388: 5735: 5678: 5078: 4830: 4598: 4510: 4481: 4420: 4362: 4318: 4110: 4034: 4029: 3639: 3480: 3473: 3447: 3047: 2833: 2565: 2450: 2030: 1980: 1767: 1692: 1655: 715: 9043: 8608: 3493: 12899: 12861: 12659: 11293: 10307: 10224: 10086:; Romanians are not "wanna be Italics". However many Macedonians do seem to wanna-be 9632: 9343: 9129: 8432: 8260: 5958: 5834: 5463: 5130: 4240: 3524: 2359: 1851: 840: 811: 11883: 9991: 8748: 8679: 2688: 1298: 761: 170: 13290: 13025: 12023: 11772: 11718: 11187: 11113: 10959: 10941: 10890: 10392: 10095: 9768: 9568: 9419: 8562: 8356: 8082: 8074: 8070: 7933: 7390: 7298: 7283: 7200: 6857: 6747: 6506: 6456: 6405: 6373: 6311: 6212: 6195: 6148: 6117: 4074: 3994: 3953: 3897: 3223: 2845: 2355: 1529: 1494: 667: 642: 105: 10868: 8832: 7920: 4789: 2097: 12998: 12953: 11978: 11956: 11313: 10275: 10159:". Let's just agree to it. Please, let's keep the discussion to a serious level. 9604: 9368: 8864: 8521: 8210: 8127: 7836: 7610: 7603:, and would need some expert help. If and when you are willing, give me a chime. 7058: 6383: 6355: 5959: 5695: 5648: 5562: 5531: 5438: 5356: 5318: 5174: 5091: 5018: 4995: 4973: 4937: 4865: 4790: 4740: 4663: 4612: 4544: 4435: 4350: 4332: 4147: 4053: 3977: 3909: 3908:, as the last recorded support for such a move was well below the 60% required.-- 3852: 3807: 3665: 3564: 3535: 3528: 3357: 3197: 3099: 3015: 2936: 2880: 2860: 2800: 2740: 2697: 2582: 2527: 2400: 2335: 2324: 2316: 2312: 2264: 2253: 2245: 2218: 2193: 2176: 2161: 2123: 2105: 2091: 2072: 2068: 2061: 2057: 2045: 1998: 1931: 1824: 1708: 1564: 1382: 1356: 1299: 1246: 1203: 1120: 1067: 1018: 1006: 784: 700: 683: 674: 645: 615: 596: 569: 532: 506: 475: 449: 432: 414: 374: 369: 344: 309: 282: 240: 212: 171: 12460: 10699: 9842: 9320:. Using this humiliating form just to appease Greek nationalists in the face of 9298: 9297: 8366: 8237: 7080: 5897: 5640: 5634: 5169: 3905: 3877: 3652: 2461: 1063: 751:- but that is not the sort of thing which an encyclopedia is supposed to settle. 273: 46: 13308: 13272: 13253: 13225: 13127: 13123: 13078: 13009: 12157: 11987: 11764: 11710: 11566: 11486: 11421: 11326: 11278: 11198: 11166: 11092: 10955: 10934: 10909: 10818: 10810: 10785: 10777: 10557: 10516: 9919: 9861: 9794: 9746: 9702: 9681: 9672: 9595: 9548: 9516: 9493: 9309: 9283: 9192: 9161: 9157: 9153: 9149: 9133: 9010: 9006: 9002: 8998: 8982: 8853: 8751: 8701: 8566: 8548: 8503: 8414: 8379: 8218: 8203: 8058: 8046: 8019: 7826: 7755: 7685: 7654: 7638: 7619: 7584: 7516: 7141: 7132: 7119: 7070: 7053: 7032: 7010: 6968: 6951: 6923: 6869: 6829: 6796: 6786: 6599: 6227: 5920: 5910: 5877: 5868: 5523: 5421: 5396: 4957: 4909: 4700: 4686: 4649: 4645: 4526: 4256: 3926:. If there was, do point it out. As I have said before, in such circumstances, 3840: 3806: 3785: 3616: 3548: 2379: 1900: 1874: 1865: 1647: 1585: 1145: 7571: 7451: 6431: 6238:"...but it is possible that the genetic make-up of a Macedonian includes some 5530:. The human rights is important issue anywhere in the world. But, not Greece. 4755: 3611: 13119: 11235: 11216: 11141: 11047: 10969: 10844: 10796: 10679: 10625: 10470: 10423: 10374: 10337: 10250: 10182: 10138: 10012: 9973: 9879: 9647: 9520: 9396: 9339: 9240: 9173: 9169: 9141: 9059: 9022: 9018: 8990: 8525: 8298: 8163: 7818: 7675: 7604: 7572: 7530: 7478: 7347: 7188: 7184: 7150: 6995: 6986: 6878: 6865: 6839: 6646: 6607: 6384: 6359: 6185: 6056: 5731: 5674: 5513: 5074: 4826: 4710: 4477: 4416: 4358: 4314: 4243: 4106: 4030: 3635: 3588: 3520: 3516: 3443: 2829: 2606: 2561: 2446: 2226: 1976: 1891:. Let's work on them one by one taking into consideration Knowledge policies 1820: 1793: 1763: 1704: 1688: 1651: 1643: 1593: 1478: 1405: 1010: 12151: 11391: 6838: 6822: 5378: 2094:, because she alone is extremely sick of these kind of nationalistic claims. 1183: 13312: 12437: 11392: 10869: 10674: 10581: 10319: 10315: 10268: 10067: 10038: 10029: 9987: 9951: 9916: 9912: 9904: 9900: 9145: 9137: 9080: 9076: 9036: 8994: 8986: 8713: 8336: 8073:. For every single edit that I make, I'll keep linking to a section of the 7839: 7760: 7273: 5391: 5201: 4685:., and could we please stop engaging in cheap mud throwing, again? (UTC) -- 4237: 3990: 3884: 3732: 3624: 3305: 3177: 2222: 1797: 1597: 1560: 850: 762: 549: 520: 191: 12952: 11337:(Bitola). That is something which needs to be pointed out in the article. 8745: 8677: 5963: 5699: 5652: 5566: 5535: 5442: 5360: 5322: 5178: 5095: 5022: 4977: 4941: 4869: 4794: 4744: 4667: 4616: 4548: 4439: 4336: 4171:. Therefore, as "Macedonians" is the most common name, in accordance with 4151: 4057: 3856: 3811: 3669: 3568: 3361: 3201: 3103: 3019: 2940: 2864: 2744: 2701: 2586: 2531: 2404: 2339: 2268: 2197: 2127: 2002: 1935: 1828: 1712: 1568: 1386: 1250: 1207: 1124: 573: 536: 510: 479: 453: 418: 378: 348: 313: 286: 244: 13330: 13316: 13304: 13295: 13282: 13263: 13131: 12816: 12742: 12416: 11924: 11865: 11780: 11722: 11678: 11526:(from the work “Voyage Across the Sea” by Bertrandon de la Brocuiere) - " 11440: 11377: 11338: 11297: 11248: 11029: 11019: 10894: 10826: 10703: 10652: 10604: 10590: 10536: 10160: 9997: 9463: 9423: 9211: 8923: 8894: 8884: 8810: 8800: 8760: 8641: 8581: 8529: 8401: 8348: 8305: 8270: 8248: 8214: 8191: 8137: 8094: 8078: 8052: 8032: 7938: 7792: 7774: 7700: 7663: 7634: 7558: 7498:. It looks like someone is hiding that term or doesn't want to be there. 7407: 7235: 7101: 7017: 6972: 6959: 6943: 6929: 6907: 6611: 6603: 6550: 6516: 6263: 6231: 6066: 5063: 4354: 3986: 3682: 3508: 3503: 3059: 2773: 2667: 2037: 1785: 832: 13294:. Same goes for the rest of the word outside of Yugoslavia before 1948. 12467: 12384: 11080: 10279:, then stock from Roman colonists is also certain, though the amount of 7731: 7195: 720: 13291: 13168: 13030: 12964: 12942: 12753: 12269: 12104: 12086: 12056: 11942: 11751: 11689: 11428: 11258: 11100: 11088: 11072: 10886: 10814: 10599: 10397: 10156: 9636: 9615: 9481: 9258: 8936: 8919: 8905: 8784: 8325: 8284: 8164: 8149: 8128: 7956: 7866: 7823: 7804: 7761: 7710: 7695: 7499: 7452: 7439: 7424: 7364: 7329: 7312: 7259: 7222: 7175: 7085: 6301: 6097: 6026: 5464: 4775: 4599: 4574: 3494: 3277: 3264: 3145: 2610: 2548: 2418: 2214: 2040: 2020: 1953: 1745: 1369: 1274: 1228: 1046: 1014: 807: 12692: 12490: 12423: 12282: 12228: 7662: 6158: 4960: 1580: 12857: 12217: 12197: 11427: 10923: 10539: 10099: 10083: 10059: 10051: 10047: 9908: 9623: 9391:"Macedonians" and "Macedonian people" are interchangeable, just like 8789: 8781: 8764: 8756: 8337: 8326: 6767: 6762: 6694: 6690: 6686: 6496: 6477: 6445: 6251: 6247: 6243: 3998: 3536: 3256: 3249: 2557: 2463: 2249: 2229: 2044: 1149: 1041: 1037: 836: 748: 13252: 12896: 12612: 12479: 12443: 12351: 12345: 11853: 11831:"... to serve the Turk, such as Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians ..." 11084: 10696: 7721: 5600: 4662: 1202: 183: 12256: 12001: 11916: 11334: 11096: 11076: 11068: 10620: 10595: 10284: 9347: 8876: 8725: 7736: 7691: 7653: 6860: 6819: 6492: 6277: 5694:. It simply does not deserve to see the daylight. Pure propaganda. 5481: 5402: 5299: 5211: 5131: 5113: 5038: 5000: 4895: 4844: 4492: 4458: 4401: 4283: 4222: 4208: 4194: 4176: 4124: 4090: 4006: 3949: 3935: 3888: 3736: 3713: 3691: 3399: 3315: 3229: 3063: 2783: 2759: 2717: 2622: 2422: 2297: 2287: 2230: 2146: 2041: 1912: 1801: 1749: 1729: 1667: 1601: 1539: 1469: 1460: 1442: 1153: 943: 725: 12370: 12224: 12163: 11590:, Marko Kraida born in Kosana and Dimitri Georgi Popovic, born in 9351: 7870: 7278: 7040: 5485: 5408: 5305: 5217: 5117: 5042: 5004: 4899: 4848: 4496: 4462: 4405: 4226: 4212: 4198: 4180: 4128: 4094: 4010: 3939: 3740: 3717: 3695: 3608: 3405: 3321: 3235: 3067: 2787: 2763: 2721: 2626: 2472: 2426: 2421: 2301: 2291: 2234: 2150: 1916: 1805: 1753: 1733: 1671: 1605: 1543: 1527:. Their currency like everything else is part of their propaganda. 13085: 12211: 12183: 12169: 11878: 11768: 11706: 11064: 10212: 10204: 10055: 9819: 9392: 9165: 9045: 9014: 8844: 8709: 8602: 8553: 8517: 8341: 8330: 8119: 7840: 6811: 6698: 6598: 6255: 5527: 5196: 4683: 3532: 2893: 2320: 862: 821: 595:, and not by arbitrary page moves by individual administrators.-- 388: 12934: 12296: 11399:. So here is the source, Mr X's credible, neutral, and unbiased 10396: 10283: 8183: 7716: 6685: 4956: 2758: 178: 12571: 12357: 12243: 11514:... the Macedonians formed the basic majority of the population 11318: 11136: 10998: 10989: 10919: 10771: 10716: 10646: 10616: 10584:'s quotation of a 3rd c. BC Macedonian embassador to Aetolia (" 10352: 10311: 10301: 10280: 10272: 10075: 10071: 10033: 10007: 9992: 9619: 9084: 8880: 8396: 8125: 7929: 6815: 6567: 6362:). Therefore, saying "some" genes is inaccurate. You could say 5554: 3498: 3218: 3055: 2976: 2609: 2523: 2378: 1352: 1157: 871: 12794: 12532:"Scritture rif. nei congressi - Servia. Vol. III", marzo 1790 12473:"Scritture riferite nei congressi - Servia.Vol. I, Fol. 120" 11395: 11005: 10641: 6864:, which, in recent history turned some people into some quite 6482:...genetic make-up of a Macedonian includes some genes from... 4771: 12377:"Filologicheskaja nabljudenija A.H. Vostokova".1865, pp.184 11674: 11641: 11474:" clearly differentiating the Bulgarians and the Macedonians. 10276: 10216: 9944: 8872: 8259: 7722:"An online review of Macedonian affairs, history and culture" 7097: 6903: 6546: 6417: 6343: 6239: 6092: 5872: 5476: 5460: 5265: 4168:, whereas a search for Macedonian Slavs gives 15,900 results 3540: 2556: 1559: 1524: 1430: 815: 12645: 12336:...Giorgio Bjanchi, Arciv d' Antivari et Primate di Servia. 11461: 9860: 7726: 6499:. Even your Y chromosome is not identical to your father's. 5991: 5948: 5459: 3519: 2911: 1623:, but as I told him before he could have read the poll. And 1592:. I'm sure that many people would help us NPOV push against 1455: 13266: 12730: 12041: 11857: 11002: 10993: 10393: 10082: 10042: 9680: 8317: 6731: 6432: 6296: 6181: 4395: 3598: 1413: 803: 398: 140: 11615:- A note by teacher Gjorgija Makedonski about his origins. 11455: 9923: 7843: 7782: 7250: 6230: 5919: 3587: 2971: 2488:. You are free to use the word, but that doesn't mean you 839: 739: 11277:. So there was no reason to take that part out Miskin. - 10964: 8027: 6554: 6337: 3918: 2516: 2366: 1589: 1581: 1486: 10645: 8361: 7850: 7768: 6184:(in this context at least) are relevant to the realm of 3731: 296: 12963: 12289:"Snoshenia Rossii po djelam cerkovnim" II, 1860 pp.29 11238:. You don't have the right to claim "Pavlos Melas said 8178: 3595:" are completely unrelated to the ancient Makedonians. 3268: 1005: 9389:- If I recall recent history it's not correct to say: 8452: 7732:"Macedonia, The Historical Profile of Northern Greece" 7268: 6730:. Now, I acknowledge that I may have misused the term 6435:, but it seems to affirm that genes can be inherited. 4236: 1971: 734: 465: 7855: 5350: 2029:. He even disputes the fact that 51% of geographical 325: 12712: 12410:Heylin,P. "Cosmographie in four books" London,1666 11779:. Check the definition of "Romaic" in a dictionary. 11544:, Albanians, Esclavinians, Rasians and Serbians ..." 9891: 7438: 5512: 2849: 2417: 404: 13206: 12249:Crusius, M. "Turcogreciae libri octo", 1584, pp.5 12237:Matkovich.P."Rad. Jugosl. Akad." 124,1895, pp.131 10954:Yes, those are all valid points. When I edited the 6487:wrong though. Unless, you are trying to prove that 3799:is talking about the titles inside the text of the 3784: 11911:at the time. You "Macedonian Slav" national hero, 8528:before making edits, but he obviously ignored me. 8378:marker to prove anything you want, in genetics :) 7860:Santzaki of Scopje Greeks: 13,452 Bulgars: 172,735 6902:who were being punished for their siding with the 3308:economy that Greece is still struggling to match. 2476:, that would be unproblematic. We could also have 1635:on the poll should be checked by the Med's. And I 365:saw that there is no need to fear from each other. 12579:Veselinovich,V.M. "Brsjachka Buna" Beograd 1905 9850:book again myself and also look for its sources. 9614:Macedonian regional identity... Those people are 6342:...genetic make-up of a Macedonian includes some 4908:Duplicate article... that might help, as well. -- 3583:Modern and ancient Macedonian culture / ethnicity 2111:This is not the first time he uses these methods. 1418:el:Συζήτηση χρήστη:Kalogeropoulos#θερμή παράκληση 1412:and I noticed that people have been "plotting" a 12718:Very nice oversimplification of the situation:) 12430:Fermendzhin E., "Starine" 25, 1892. pp. 195-196 12276:"Snoshenia Rossii po djelam cerkovnim" ,I,1858 9330:that's more than twice as many. Anyway, we have 6466:So why did you say, "You cannot inherit genes"? 6234:. References, and re-wording, are both needed. 783:If you agree, I will be more than glad to help. 413:Also, several more articles has to be included. 12498:part of its inhabitants are Serbs (Raitzen) . 12231:Gerlach,S. "Tage-Buch",Frankfurt,1674, pp.64a 9899:(see above)? And as long as you brought it up: 7599:Also, Makedon45, I wish to start improving the 7246:Miskin, you are really flattering to yourself. 2484:things known by the same name, which calls for 1366:There weren't Macedonians due to the 20 century 894:Ottomans didn't managed to do during 500 years? 13099:He is backing it up with the following source 10872:, and promoted land-claims in Northern Greece. 8340:schools with 9,544 Bulgarian students, and 21 8329:schools with 8,767 Bulgarian students, and 37 5519:Why is the world playing blind on these issue? 4638:unless we specify what is the disputed content 2319:is not I. I am not even Thracian; I'm a proud 12843:My point is exactly as Krste Misirkov said, 12116:Ciao, Aldux! Let me quote them, just in case. 11470:- The anonymous Hungarian chronicler writes " 10813:'s page to get the hint. Basically if we let 10098:to possibly weigh in on this problem and how 9823:of the Greek Ministry of Culture and Science. 9745:mention Thracians, Vlach and Illyrians? :-)-- 8922:, and nobody would care enough to remove it. 7951:is missing from your list (BTW, a vilayet is 7712:Please, I couldn't have laughed any harder. 7179:. Bomac, if you revert one more time, you'll 4373:name Macedonia and is only used unofficially. 4085:. Also, i cannot see any reason not to apply 3803:page. Not about the title of the page itself. 3248:In many countries north of Greece, there was 3004:"Macedonia". That won't happen, deal with it. 2244:English is clearly not your native language. 1271:Macedonia (region)#Boundaries and definitions 435:, mean when you refer to "Macedonian" people? 12324:"Arch. S. Congr. Visitte.Vol 16. Fol. 239. 11449:Existence of Macedonians Throughout the Ages 8279:I don't understand your objection regarding 8152:to provide sources for the following edits: 7674:Yea, Miskin, try to act a little bit nicer. 6623:I agree. I have not reverted you or Izehar. 5745:Populations of ethnic Macedonians by country 4193:requires the name "Macedonians" to be used. 3896:In that sense, the overnight page move from 2221:). Very dishonest, tut tut! Ethnologue is a 747:of group these "Macedonians" are, is a real 531:I know. And, that is all I want. Fair game. 9635:, so there would be no confusions. Cheers, 8174:" - Please prove to me that such a factual 8077:. For example my latest edits are based on 7140:BTW, what about the merging proposal? :) -- 4173:Knowledge:Naming conventions (common names) 4079:Knowledge:Naming conventions (common names) 2879:Don't worry about my traveling experiences 2141:contributions. POV pushing! You Swedish ID 963:forces and only NATO member on the Balkan). 12515:Milutinovich,S."Istorija Crne Gore",1835 12390:Fermendzhin,E. "Starine" 25,1892, pp.194 12364:Fermendzhin,E. "Starine" 25,1892, pp.172 12204:Kachanovski,V. "Starine" 12,1880 ,pp.255 11629:because we are Macedonians, and not Greeks 10615:Genetic testing revealed that most of the 8867:? Would you like me to go around changing 8441:this page to deal with the mind-boggling 7932:. The demography I provided was data from 7423:And you will be the main character in it. 6476:An innoccent mistake, you can't inherit a 5909:in Bulgaria (the both POVs, of course). -- 1967:will we have a second one-night-consensus? 1627:the poll cannot be interpreted as binary. 1491:Talk:Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 587:I have restored the original nomenclature 148:for many comments arising from this poll.) 10119:summed up the argument for keeping it at 3050:says that there are 180,180 speakers of " 2282:Ha ha ha ha ha! Don't make me laugh! OK, 2213:Hmm, how did he make a contribution? Via 627:Annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index 2005 10784:. This is called attributing the view.-- 9422:, not to an even more inaccurrate name. 8599:I have removed the following paragraph: 5036:Please tell us what you are disputing!!! 3479:I've moved the following content out of 3007:Maybe you should read what nation means. 2692:matter the Bulgarians are mostly Slavic. 2145:has been BANNED for that kind of thing. 11775:to get a clue. Byzantine == Greek, see 11536:... to serve the Turk, such as Greeks, 7187:. Miskin, you're nearly there as well. 2968:Greeks or Serbs a nation didn't exist. 691:I do not hate Greece. I hate unjustice. 14: 12221:prishel jesi k' Gradou Sardaskomu) . 10041:means citizens of the city of ancient 9316:. It can't be that wrong to call them 8462:Knowledge:Requests for page protection 8316:Instituto Geografico de Argostini" of 7551:additions sometimes really annoy me... 7191:edit summaries don't help either. The 6937:To quote Britannica as you requested: 6856:Yes, I believe they are! In fact, the 6553:", though more specifically they mean 6242:from autochthonous groups such as the 5200:and not "Macedonians" plain. How many 2824:it was discussed and analysed and the 1040:who became a separate nation from the 223:Can you explain any of the following? 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 12190:Ljubich,S. "Listine" 4,1874, pp.437 9312:them "Macedonians" well, as does the 7846:Ethnic census of Hilmi Pasha (1904): 5929:Sources for serb repression in 1930s? 1422:el:Συζήτηση χρήστη:Matia.gr#Arvanites 11410:published by Routledge (UK), called 10587:reasons that change from day to day. 10026:I know what Roman colonists includes 6570:, where one may have expected them. 1355:. And, I don't blame them at all... 113:Previous discussion is available at 25: 11586:This is to inform you that the two 9903:was a matter of citizenship in the 9318:by the name they use for themselves 8464:or ask me on my talk page. Thanks. 7751:"Go away Greeks, we don't want you" 5470:Can't even fix a cup of tea... :-) 1588:is an administrator there) and the 660:The European Court for Human rights 23: 12404:Fermendzhin,E. "Starine" 25 ,pp18 10744:Not moved per lack of consensus. — 9657:"Possibly the ancient Macedonians" 8739:The name "Anatanasoski is made up" 8686:And about the Hellenization part, 8622:I removed the following sentence: 7880:326,426 Slavs (mostly Macedonians) 7579:. So the total will add upto some 4049:that setled here 15 centuries ago. 2286:is a good friend of mine, too :-) 24: 13347: 12333:....Prisren, il di 29 ottobre... 12305:Visite e Colllegi, Vo.1 f66r-82r 12039:Hi Zikicam :-) Let's start from " 11412:Dialogos: Hellenic Studies Review 9301:the people "Macedonians" and the 8159:- Please prove to me that around 7183:be really close to violating the 5516:, the Macedonian party in Greece? 5480:. Talk about living in denial... 4331:nationalism too. From all sides. 13224:. Please dont revert any more. - 12006:→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov 12000: 11598:... and way the above-mentioned 11502:Beginning of the 13th century AD 11403:that you said you wanted above. 11362:Bulgarian Archbishopric of Ohrid 9350: 8478:reference for that. So to quote 7490:In that sentence, there is only 5962: 5712:I've reverted the last edits by 5698: 5651: 5565: 5534: 5484: 5441: 5407: 5359: 5321: 5304: 5216: 5177: 5116: 5094: 5041: 5021: 5003: 4976: 4940: 4898: 4868: 4847: 4793: 4743: 4666: 4615: 4547: 4495: 4461: 4438: 4404: 4335: 4225: 4211: 4197: 4179: 4150: 4127: 4093: 4056: 4009: 3938: 3855: 3810: 3739: 3716: 3694: 3668: 3654:link towards some of the sources 3567: 3404: 3360: 3320: 3234: 3200: 3102: 3066: 3018: 2939: 2863: 2786: 2762: 2743: 2720: 2700: 2657:ancient Macedonian civilization. 2625: 2585: 2530: 2425: 2403: 2338: 2300: 2290: 2267: 2233: 2196: 2149: 2126: 2001: 1934: 1915: 1883:I agree with this approach. The 1827: 1804: 1752: 1732: 1711: 1670: 1639:what kind of thinking is allowed 1604: 1596:'s dishonest tactics. Let's ask 1567: 1542: 1385: 1249: 1206: 1123: 572: 535: 509: 478: 452: 417: 395:Tax relief for converts to Islam 377: 347: 312: 285: 243: 227:What is "the Macedonian nation"? 29: 13146:Easier said than done... :-( -- 13049:"Strong resistance" during WW2? 10058:, or whatever) and began using 10032:colonists, but not necessarily 8615:place, which is something that 8148:In that respect, I demand from 7611:UCLA Language Materials Project 7513:Macedonian speaking Macedonians 6222:Paragraph cut here for citation 5506:European court for human rights 5380:The Council of Europe's website 18:Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group) 12945:, without any justification. 12941:This sentence was reverted by 11815:by Bertrandon de la Brocuiere; 11071:and group labels derived from 10918:Hear, hear. Isn't the list of 8716:is called the co-capital, and 8374:fronts, and (b) you will find 8234:Slavic placenames still exist. 7363:sense. Is this OK :-) Cheers, 6994:13:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 5860:2.300 (2003 est Macédonienne)( 4994:oops, doesn't that sound like 3438:Yet another treatment without 1897:Knowledge:No original research 1650:doesn't apply on my comments. 973:hosting server (www.150m.com)? 637:ranks Greece 18 in its annual 13: 1: 13064:The Matter would solve itself 12494:- Albania. Vol. V, Fol. 175" 11317:. The question is from whom? 10310:there; in actuality, even an 8973:13:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC) 8955:19:10, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8940:20:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8927:20:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8909:10:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8898:01:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8888:01:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8814:21:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 8804:20:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 8744:You just linked to websites ( 8645:16:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 8585:16:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 8533:15:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8507:15:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8469:12:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8427:12:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 8405:00:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8392:18:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC) 8352:03:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8309:18:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8288:18:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8274:17:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8252:02:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 8141:17:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8132:10:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8098:03:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC) 8036:00:08, 28 December 2005 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December 2005 (UTC) 810:and the desire to create an " 639:Worldwide Press Freedom Index 13334:05:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC) 13320:04:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC) 13299:04:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC) 13286:04:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC) 13276:21:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC) 13246:22:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13190:22:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13172:22:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13156:22:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13135:22:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13112:21:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 13073:19:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC) 13059:03:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC) 13044:23:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC) 13034:17:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC) 13002:23:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 12990:17:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC) 12968:21:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 12957:19:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 12924:Slavic macedonians in Greece 12919:20:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC) 12820:17:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC) 12757:18:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC) 12746:17:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC) 12675:23:20, 17 January 2006 (UTC) 12450:Theiner,A. ibidem, pp. 220 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Guess what, the 8879:and never to the villaet of 8698:and altered religious icons. 8333:schools with 1,142 students. 7258:to me. REGARDS, Miskin from 6887:01:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC) 6873:00:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC) 6848:12:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6833:10:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6800:10:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6790:10:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6775:09:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC) 6757:07:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC) 6743:06:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC) 6664:21:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6650:21:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6628:21:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6615:21:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6593:21:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6534:23:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6529:policy - and rightly so. -- 6520:19:50, 8 December 2005 (UTC) 6511:21:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6471:20:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6461:20:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6440:20:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6425:20:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6410:20:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6393:20:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6378:20:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6328:20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6316:19:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6291:19:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC) 6282:19:52, 5 December 2005 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