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Google translates "libertarian" to "özgürlükçü;" freedom and liberty to "özgürlük." "özgürlükçü" translates back to freedom. While the literal translation may be "socialist freedom party", the point of reliable sources is that they can be relied upon to capture the meaning. "Libertarian" derives
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You don't see how a socialist party identifying as libertarian... makes that party libertarian socialist? I find that rather incredible, but I guess it's beside the point now, so I may as well drop it.
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I object to removing it as a citation for libsoc above, right where it was before you and
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Excuse me, did you miss the part where I explained, again, that the source is written in
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I don't even... not that it matters, but the book is in English. You can look it up on Google book search, for example. That's an English quote, from an English book, by an
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Please see the actual reference given: Gunter, Michael M. (2010). Historical Dictionary of the Kurds (2nd ed. ed.). Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield Pub. Group. p. 247.
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