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The infobox has previously featured the alternative names of "Hull" and "Wyke" in the infobox in an Other name section. This was removed on 7 December 2023 arguing that "Wyke" is primarily historical and "Hull" is mentioned in the body text. However, I believe that the inclusion of "Hull" is relevant
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Sorry to bother you again, but if I find a more substantial citation, regarding
Spiders Nightclub, perhaps you could have a look at it again. I don't think I know any other independent nightclub in the UK that is as old as Spiders. That's why I think it deserves recognition on the Kingston-upon-Hull
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Local people rarely ever use the term 'Kingston' in spoken language. It's nearly always 'Hull'. However, in written form, some people still add 'Kingston', as in 'Kingston -Upon-Hull'.
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Please re-add it if you see fit now that I have explained, you could have came here first before editing however as you didn’t have the reason why it was there.
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I like this field it shows it is a old place. I wish it was on UK Place infobox, this article has the international infobox since it includes the council area.
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