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Slander doesn't arise here. It would be libel. But it isn't libel because it is a factual report of a trial that happened in 2004 where there are multiple sources to verify same. You are dressing up reasons not to include this but it has been in for most of the 5 years. You don't like the fact it is
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Planet Ali: what Ali thinks is important is important. If Ali hasn't seen it- it didn't happen. Grow up. Your hero worship of Dalglish is noted. There are only so many ways of saying it was accepted in court that Dalglish brought the drug dealer and gangland figure Tommy Adams to a business meeting.
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Dalglish was indeed originally selected for the squad and Hansen was not. It should be noted that although Hansen had a long and illustratious club career, he had wone relatively few caps for Scotland. The belief was that, as Liverpool manager at the time, Dalglish was angry at Hansen's absence from
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The structure of the article and the prose is not very good. It reads as if each sentence is its own paragraph and independent thought without flow. Combine 1 and 2 sentence paragraphs together, and from there fine tune the prose to make sure it flows well. (I did the lead as an example; the Celtic
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which includes- Another key link in the chain was the late Kevin Dooley  a friend of Dalglish, a solicitor to Liverpool FC, brother-in-law to the club's former manager Roy Evans and connected to some of the city's major criminals including the drug baron Curtis Warren. Dooley was probably the link
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I think this is a great idea. I already have his autobio, though it's not made it to the top of my reading list yet. I think I'll have a look over it ASAP, especially if you give me areas that you'd like me to focus on. It was very interesting to see a footballer on the front page (there have been
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Dalglish made his name as an all-rounder forward under Jock Stein's Glasgow Celtic. Seeking new challenges, he joined Liverpool in 1977 when the club was looking to replace Kevin Keegan who joined Hamburg after Liverpool's maiden European Cup triumph in 1977. Dalglish didn't just manage to replace
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One QC's accusation that Dalglish (who was not a central party to the case) had "unsavoury" and "dishonest" friends is not only the baseless accusation of one man, but also merely his opinion. It is pretty much an implication that Dalglish is involved in crime without explicitly saying so. I'm not
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happened, but so what? It doesn't make your writing of this to be one of the defining moments of a glittering career to be any more acceptable. Your mentioning of "when Peter Shilton passes away his gambling will be mentioned when his life is summed up" backs up my point perfectly infact, because
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I've nominated the article for GA status. I don't think that it is that far off, and believe that the GA review process could go a long way to sorting out the issues that the article does have and generally knocking it into shape. I also think that now may be an appropriate time as the "dust has
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WP article to serve as an example that WP sports articles can reach FA status, and what is roughly required in order to do so. It can be done, but there is still lots to do. I am also currently in the process of writing to all major UK newspapers and regional Merseyside newspapers to try and get
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Factual scenario: Kenny Dalglish invited Sean 'Tommy' Adams of the Adams crime family in Islington, North London to a meeting that might have a material impact on his then substantial share holding in what was Proactive Plc. Tommy Adams is a convicted drugs smuggler who is described elsewhere on
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I don't know if we will ever get the real truth on this, Dalglish himself never made a comment as far as I know, but things that should be noted are a) Dalglish gave up the chance of playing in his 4th World Cup, he would have been one of a very few British players ever to have achieved that. b)
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You even say that as role model he shouldn't be seen to be associating with criminals, however you fail to note that he hasn't actually been seen by any of us to be doing that. There are no photographs. There is merely the say so of a dodgy football agent, and Dalglish's refusal to talk to the
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For a footballer, is this knighthood thing of any significance at all ? Do the supporters or the clubs care ? Also - in the light of all foreign players in Premier League (who, by the way, perhaps are preventing English success in the World Cups and Euros ???)It is a question, nothing else.
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Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to do this and for being so thorough. There is clearly a lot of work that needs doing; I hope to address the main points you raise over the next few days, and then think about other ways of improving the article, fine-tuning etc. After that we can
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I've gone through the article up until the end of the playing career section. It needed a lot of work and probably could do with another once-over. I also understand now how spot-on Wizardman's comments were. I'll try and get round to improving the rest of the article in the next few days.
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His years at Liverpool marked one of the club's most prolific periods: he won seven league titles, three European Cups and five domestic cups. For these achievements, he is nicknamed King Kenny, and he was placed first in Liverpool's list of "100 Players Who Shook the Kop". Dalglish became
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and do a general tidy up / copy edit. I'll try to do some more work this weekend. Maybe we can aim for GA status in a month or so and FA status by the summer. From my point of view it is extremely helpful that we have the John Wark article as an approximate yardstick for the sort of
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I don't actually think it's a million miles away from a GA. Certainly there's plenty of sourcing, though we'll need to check how reliable it all is, the structure seems reasonable, though we need to be careful with the language ('leading marksman') and turn down the tone in places.
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Sorry I don't see the point of the above quote and attempt at humour. It just paints yourself in a worse light. Please sign your future posts. At the end of your comments, simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. Also please do not remove the above "unsigned" notes.
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Bootroom 101: Kenny Dalglish Sunday Herald, The, Oct 10, 2004 In an attempt to persuade Wayne Rooney's then agent to take a hike, Kenny Dalglish turned up at a meeting with one of the notorious Adams family (it wasn't Morticia), an English Crown Court heard last week.
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Russia ? England ? Argentina ? France ? Mexico even ? - but never mind that). "Honoured by the UK Government" OK, that's relevant. But what did he do for the Government ? Or is it I who don't grasp what knighthood in the UK is about ? (which might be far from unlikely)
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Have just had another go at improving various parts of the article. I think that there are still serious issues, and that a reality check may need to be taken re: how soon this can be taken to GA status. I think there are five main issues that need addressing:
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police. I admit that it looks bad, and as such I've written into the article what we know about the case from the press reports. Your distaste for Dalglish is noted, but it shouldn't be allowed to colour this article. Again I refer you to
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for over 500 games. There's just a bit too much to cover in a single review, but with these changes, it'll be in much better shape. If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a message.
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I agree with you, Ali. It is notable enough to require being in the article, but not so important to demand being in the lead section. I had also never heard about it before I read this article.
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It has plenty of value. It shows that this case isn't important within the scope of this article. You only refuse my challenge because you know that you'll immediately lose the argument.
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