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2636:, while there might be much to add about the types of activism that Kathoey are involved in, this addition doesn't do that. The topic sentence does not seem specific to Kathoey--does the government object to all forms of activism? Also you seem to be conflating People Living with HIV/AIDs with Kathoey, while there might be some overlap between these two groups, the connection is not clear and could serve to perpetuate dangerous stereotypes. I think Activism could be a very useful section if you are able to cite sources that directly address Kathoey activism, that might include their involvement with HIV/AIDS in Thailand, or with LGBT rights movement, but you would need to find sources that make those claims. Also please check your spelling, and proofread more carefully. Thank you 631: 458: 437: 468: 353: 332: 563: 542: 1235:, and I'd have to support any move to do so. That said, I think "kathoey" is probably the most common spelling, annoyingly enough, and possibly even "correct" under the Thai royal guidelines regarding transliteration (about which I shall respectfully refrain from further comment), so I'll reluctantly concur that it's the "correct" spelling, insofar as there can be such a thing, and, since I do see it coming more into English usage, I'm content to leave it here. 243: 222: 754: 736: 253: 764: 3309: 934: 881: 832: 363: 2189:, or "a second type of woman," through presentation and analysis of their personal narratives. All of these individuals were born with male bodies, yet they chooose to live and/or present themselves toothers as women to varying degrees. Some cross-dress, take female hormones, and live as women full-time. Others cross-dress only part of the time, or dress androgynously. Some present themselves as men yet claim to have the souls of women. 191: 662: 3036:
They are always trying to lure Chinese men in return for sumptuous gifts” (Daguan 2007). In a recent interpretation of the Cbpab Srei written c. 1800, there is a reference in lines 184–186 of “malicious” women suffering punishment from the “four hells” as being reincarnated as kathoey (a historically derogatory term used to refer to transgendered women or “third sex”)
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2017 constitution seems to not recognize a third gender. I'd update this myself, but the cited VICE video doesn't actually seem to include anything about a third gender not being recognized and can't find any other source saying that it isn't (besides the constitution itself, but I'm not sure if this violates rules against original research).
2490:"ideologically-charged aggressive" -- this looks like projection; please don't use this page as a soapbox. "it" is never used for humans. "the use of 'he' for those who haven't taken any steps" -- that doesn't occur anywhere in the current article. The word "he" only appears once, and not in regard to a kathoey. -- 2291:
in English or vice versa. It is a very popular English expression with bar girls and katoeys alike there and, as I believe, this English equivalent is quite popular throughout South East Asia now i.e. all those cultures there with a "third sex" tradition, or at least some tolerance I guess, including
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And again, I don't see how that information is relevant to an encyclopedia article. Knowledge strives to be informative, yes; but it also strives for a neutral point of view. Stating differences does not always imply discrimination, it is true. But 95% of the times I've seen it, this specific kind of
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I respectfully disagree. I think the correct pronunciation would be a useful addition if it could be precisely and concisely conveyed - but I don't think it can. Kathoey is not an English word (try looking it up in an English dictionary). The pronunciation "ka-toy" is simply a common mispronunciation
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In the "recent developments" section, it says "Following the 2006 Thai coup d'ĂŠtat, kathoeys are hoping for a new third sex to be added to passports and other official documents in a proposed new constitution." The sentiment is obviously outdated; the edit is from 2007, and (like the lede says) the
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with or interview or survey etc. one or the other, etc. Or, hell, we might even embrace the unlikely fact that there ARE really women on the interwebz, and said women might want to avoid some social faux pas or potential source of embarrassment, like trying to borrow a tampon from a bloke in drag?
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mispronounce it- it's just that the English word is not pronounced the same as the Thai word from which it derives (nor is "Venice" pronounced "Venezia"). The English word is pronounced "ka-toy". The Thai word is (roughly) "ga- too-ay", but the pronunciation of That words doesn't really belong in
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I have travelled in thailand and never heard the word kathoey describing an F to M person. However, I did meet a few F to Ms and 'butch' women, and would imagine they're more than 'exceedingly rare'. I was told the terms "Tom" and "Dee" were sometimes used similarly to the English-speaking world's
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the main transgendered/transsexual pages certainly wouldnt let a demeaning pic like that stand, and I dont think this page should either. it seems pretty obvious to me that it should be replaced, maybe with a relevant picture of the famous muay thai boxing kathoey, seeing as she is the most famous
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Oh, let's see, maybe someone wants to specifically flirt with female women (flirt-flirt - not shove a wad of bills down her panties and buy her, buy, you know, flirt non-commercially, human being to human being?) or specifically make a platonic transgendered acquaintance ("friend"), take a picture
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I also think the idea of using sound files is an excellent idea, and not too hard to accomplish. Whether we'd agree on the results of the "English" pronunciation is another matter, but there's probably only one way to find out.... if not, then we could always include multiple mispronunciations. :)
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It does trouble me a little that we've adopted a transliterated spelling (poorly transliterated, IMO) of the Thai for what we must now apparently claim as an "English" word in order to justify its inclusion in an English encyclopedia. The spelling varies wildly from one source to another, and, not
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who visited the Angkor Wat area of Cambodia in 1296–1297, the presence of young Khmer men dressed in women’s clothing while seeking sexual exchanges date back over 700 years. He recounted, “in this country there are many catamites who hang around everyday in the market, in groups of ten or more.
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Does anyone know the name of the Thai buddy cops (I think they were cops, I'm not sure) action movie/comedy that came out last summer where one the two leading characters was a kathoey? Maybe it should be included. I also am curious because I never got around to seeing it and would like to see if
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mean "always indistinguishable from other women". It means that kathoey very often, but not always, exhibit characteristics highly associated with femininity. That implies that they sometimes exhibit characteristics that are not feminine. The inclusion of the word "usually" means they aren't 100%
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Implying that women must be cisgendered to "count" as real women is discriminatory as well. There is no reason to add tips on how to distinguish between kathoey and ciswomen, because distinguishing between them if you aren't looking for a particular kind of prostitute should be irrelevant. The
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The purpose of the statement, as of most statements in Knowledge, is to give the reader a more accurate picture of reality. If you write "the figure is usually very feminine" without qualifying, then you create the impression that they usually look just like non-transgendered women, which is not
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enough to be included in the article, but I wonder if there's enough material about the Khmer term/Cambodian phenomenon of khtaey/trans/GNC identities to warrant a section in this article or perhaps a separate article. I think the closest we have to an article on Khmer trans identities would be
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I suggest changing "sao (or phuying) praphet sorng ("a second kind of woman")" to sao (or phuying) praphet song ("woman of the second kind") for cultural reasons and reasons of accuracy of translation. Thai people place sao or phuying (meaning girl or woman) before song (meaning the number 2 in
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I could write how I and the people I mix with pronounce it, but I don't think it's widely enough used for us to find a citeable source for the pronunciation. And I'd be reluctant to include a Thai pronunciation without the English one; that would give the misleading impression that it should be
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An anon added five or six project banners to this article the other day. I'm removing WPMED and Psychology because I saw no information in the article about medicine or psychology. If I missed something about psychology, please feel free to revert that. For WPMED, if you want to dispute the
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The article currently uses both "kathoeys" and "kathoey" for the plural form. As it's a thai word, there's a good argument for "kathoey" (after all, it's wrong to speak of "bahts"); on the other hand, it's an English encyclopedia, and I'm fairly sure that "kathoeys" is more commonly used among
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Secondly, I have to question the author's implication that Kathoey are found in all manner of occupations. In fact, there are strict gender roles that limit what Kathoey can and can't do socially, as there are for men and women. I believe there are few Kathoey in the upper social strata, for
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The Nong Tum picture is appreciated. Clearly the numerous less-privileged kathoey working in gogo bars that cater to Westerners are viewed by sex-tourists as sex objects (and possibly view themselves as such); documenting facts isn't offensive. I put the pic back, further down in the article.
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be pronounced that way, Mark, except that it would be absurdly optimistic to expect this to actually happen.... even so, I shall continue to pronounce it that way, and I don't think my rendition of your sentence would be any less "English" than yours. I could argue, with conviction, that you
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this need to be mention. i feel bad for native pattaya people they don't deserve this, people have been misunderstood native pattaya alot, prostitute and kathoey who doing this usually (not all of course) come from Laos and Khmer. give pattaya a bad name and now they leaving due to covid 19.
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is an excellent idea. I think the Thai pronunciation would be katʰɤːj - the English tend to come out with something more like kʰatʰɔɪ (though you hear all sorts of bizarre variations) - but I'm a novice with IPA.... I'd be interested to hear what someone who knows IPA well would make of
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varieties of English. The "r" was added by the TheMadBaron — if that editor doesn't object, I'll revert it to "song". As for the order of the words, I don't mind either way. Go ahead and change it if you like. (To me the difference is negligible; remember that languages do not all use
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seems the more well-known, at least among those likely to have come across either of the two terms. But this should be monitored, as these terms may change in popularity or perceived "politeness" over time, much as both "queer" and "gay" did in the United States over the last five
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We upload a sound file of an expat giving a common pronunciation of the word - "ka-toy". There's no need even to say it's the "English" pronuniation, or even THE most common amongst expats, even though we know it is. It's verifiable as a common pronunciation. Just ask any expat in
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use a Thai word in your "English" sentence, and I'd probably enjoy the argument.... but I do see your point, and I agree with AxelBoldt that it's not terribly important to decide whether it's an English word or not (which is fortunate, because I don't think we'd ever reach an easy
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true: everyone in Thailand can spot kathoey in an instant. It's true that the statement distinguishes between non-transgendered women and kathoey, but stating differences does not imply discrimination; otherwise our articles on "woman" and "kathoey" would have to be identical.
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Hi. This is my first time editing a wikipedia page and I am doing so for a class. Part of my assignment is posting to this page what I plan to do. My main goal is to clean it up a bit and add information. Currently working on gathering legal information to add to the page.
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banner (from whichever project places the highest priority on improving the article) is necessary. Banner bloat -- adding every banner you can think of, just because it "kind of" relates to the topic -- just means unnecessary work for each project's assessment teams.
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First of all, the existence of persistent reports is a fact and not a stereotype, easily verifiable on the internet. Whether it is an exaggerated stereotype or not, I do not know; unless we have data we cannot make any claim there, but I guess we can mention that it
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need a citeable source for any information we include, whether online or on paper. A sound file of you, me or the Pope saying it would give no useful information to the reader, since our view of how to pronounce it is no more reliable than his.
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I read the article and noticed that as well. It is an interesting subject which might offer an explanation for this phenomenon and its seemingly significantly higher social acceptance in Thailand compared to many other parts of the world.
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If kathoey were not an English word, we wouldn't have an article on it in the English wikipedia. If I say, "Yesterday I saw a kathoey", that is a perfectly good English sentence; I haven't started speaking Thai halfway through.
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I cannot find any confirmation of this in the available literature. I also find the claim hard to believe, as female-to-male is exceedingly rare in Thailand. I'll be happy to put the sentence back if I can find a source.
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be interesting to sex tourists, but I don't see how that can serve as a reason to remove. In fact, I believe the statement is necessary to relativize the previous statement that their "figure is usually very feminine".
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As long as the Western pronunciation is verifiable, we can include it; we don't need a citable printed source. Verification in this case would simply involve mingling with the Bangkok expat community I suppose.
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I think that the current main pic of the go-go dancer kathoeys is offensive and should be replaced bc it... A. depicts them as sexual objects B only presents them from the "Western sex-tourist" perspective
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I don't think it's that important to decide whether it's an English word or not; documenting how Thai and Westeners pronounce it will certainly be useful to our readers regardless. Could we express it in
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of กะเทย, which does not sound like "ga- too-ay". The initial consonant ก is certainly closer to g than k, but "oo-ay" is one too many syllables to make the final vowel sound, and neither of them is the
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There is no info in the article about how and when Kathoey appeared and become popular. There is some info about that in other languages which can be translated to english (Russian article for example)
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What is the purpose of mentioning ways to distinguish kathoey women from other women? It sounds like ways of discriminating kathoey women from other women, and this is, in fact, a way of discriminating
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This article seems to be pretty confused in what it is about. Is the focus about Kathoey specificaly or about Transgender issues in Thailand? We should choose one and stick to it, in my opinion.
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I found it unnecessary to state how kathoey usually vary from non-transgender women. The statement that their figures are "usually very feminine" is adequate; it does not state that they are
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is ambiguous, i.e., it can have positive or negative connotations depending on the context and position of the speaker and can be interpreed as a salur, we decided to use the more netural
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With non (modern) western cultures it’s difficult to tell sometimes. Their ideas of “gender identity” “sexual orientation” and “transgender” aren’t the same as modern westerners’.
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with the comment "Distinguishing kathoey from non-TG women sounds too much like advice for sex tourists." I have now restored the material. It's true that the information might
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example, and are much more commonly poor and lacking social status - despite being unlikely to be bashed or hated in the same way as transgendered people in the west might be.
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We have to do a survey before we can claim to know how a word is pronounced, or knowing how the word is pronounced is original research? That sounds ridiculous. Says who?
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as not being relevant to the subject of the article; or at least, the relevance hasn't been demonstrated. It seems that this material would be more appropriate at
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being in any English dictionary that I know of, the choice is somewhat arbitrary. If it were to be considered an "English" word, and if we were to accentuate the
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verifiable as a common pronunciation unless you've done a survey to find out how many people use it. That would be original research and does not belong here.
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be appropriate for Wikitravel, but not for an NPOV encyclopedia. Giving advice on how to discriminate a kathoey woman from a non-kathoey woman is, simply put,
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I think that 151.197.185.18 is making a distinction without a difference. Either translation is perfectly adequate in my opinion and I will edit accordingly.
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Thanks for the heads-up, and sorry I'm late to the discussion and missed its closure there, but the right consensus was reached imho, so all's well.
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vowel sound. Strange transliterations like "oey" arise as a way to consistently convey vowel sounds which simply can't be spelled in our alphabet.
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considering it as an English word, perhaps we should include a note to the effect that pluralising with an 's' is common usage amongst expats?
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I think plural "kathoey" is more appropriate unless "kathoeys" could be found in some English dictionary. So I'll go ahead and change it.
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I've added references from Costa and Matzner here, which may be ported to the article, with the "quote" param changed as appropriate.
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I made a minor edit to the intro elevating the popularity of this effective translation by Thai's trying to communicate or render
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Oh well, suit yourself. I guess we'll just upload the correct Thai pronunciation alone, and note that expats often pronounce it
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According to HBO's documentary Middle Sexes, there are about 300,000 kathoeys in Thailand, or about 1% of the male population.
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I'm sure no comprehensive survey has been done, but does anyone have an estimate of how many Kathoeys there are in Thailand?
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representative of kathoeys. I dont know where to get a properly liscensed pic, otherwise I would just replace it myself.
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banner each? Seems like that's a policy unlikely to get much support. Is this being discussed or proposed somewhere?
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Sure, we can have a section about the word itself: its pronunciations, various spellings, grammar, etymology(?) etc.
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It's a tall order, I'm afraid. The final vowel doesn't exist in spoken English, and most westerners mispronounce it.
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Kathoey can often be distinguished from non-transgendered women by their taller stature and their larger hands.
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I agree that the popes idea of how to pronounce it is eminently unreliable. I have no reason to suppose that
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Could someone add the proper pronunciation of "kathoey" to the article? Thanks,
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because various Thai we spoke with felt that this term was more polite than
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Traditionally the term had a further meaning: It was also used to refer to
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I'd just remove it as a minor development in a section badly afflicted by
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team to find articles that need to be included. For this purpose, only
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in a broad sense to signify a range of nonnormative gender expressions,
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The current article does mention the Khmer origin of the word, in the
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The guidebook describes it as an exaggerated stereotype or as a fact?
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I disagree. You're quite fun to disagree with, Mark. Sorry about that.
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No users disagreed on the talk page, so I replaced it with Nong Tum.
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I wouldn't propose changing the article title based on that--yet--as
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There are also persistent reports of groups of kathoey working as
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If they're pushing for legal recognition as a "third sex"....
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I think we should include an attempt at the Thai and common
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