Knowledge

Talk:Joyride (crime)

Source đź“ť

523:(1)A person appropriating property belonging to another without meaning the other permanently to lose the thing itself is nevertheless to be regarded as having the intention of permanently depriving the other of it if his intention is to treat the thing as his own to dispose of regardless of the other’s rights; and a borrowing or lending of it may amount to so treating it if, but only if, the borrowing or lending is for a period and in circumstances making it equivalent to an outright taking or disposal. 382:
joyriding for the pleasure and the excitement that it gives to that person. I think that there is an underlying problem here, such as boredom, why do teenagers want to go out and purposefully break the law knowing that there could be a serious accident or consequences to face at the end of the journey,if they are lucky enough to make it to their destination. This article needs to highlight more of this and show that it does have a negative effect on people and therefore it is anti-social behaviour.
191: 582:
intention to do so; and theft where the intention is to sell the vehicle or use it for a criminal or harmful (to it) purpose without any effort to return it to its owner. When a get-away car is dumped in an out-of-the way place, no effort was made to return it; the only effort was for the convenience of the criminals. In contrast, an unauthorized family member committing TWOC hopes that the theft will not even be noticed.
527:(2)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) above, where a person, having possession or control (lawfully or not) of property belonging to another, parts with the property under a condition as to its return which he may not be able to perform, this (if done for purposes of his own and without the other’s authority) amounts to treating the property as his own to dispose of regardless of the other’s rights. 355:
often do involve ostensible adults. And the stated connection with robberies, muggings, etc., is not quantified or referenced, vis-a-vis the physical danger to the joyrider personally. It might also be helpful to discuss the psychological thrill of adult activities for a teenager who does not have the necessary qualifications or permissions. Sociologically, which teenagers are susceptible, and which aren't?
243: 222: 581:
In the revision of this article, two different crimes should be differentiated: TWOC or its local equivalent (this article), where the vehicle is taken for a recreational or transportation purpose, and returned to approximately where it was taken from, mostly unharmed or at least without the specific
354:
The article is a good beginning, but distinctions need to be made. It's a crime, but a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions; and usually handled in Juvenile Courts. There's a confusion of joyriding with auto racing or "sideshows" (an urban California term) which most often do not involve joyriding and
381:
The article starts well but needs to be more in dept as joyriding is becoming more and more popular! I however think that this article makes it sound that it is fine to joyride, it state no consequences on it to make young people think. However this article does state that young people take part in
365:
Please don't confuse "most jurisdictions" with "most parts of the US". For example, here in England, the distinction between felonies and misdemeanours was abolished many years ago. By all means use your knowledge to add more details, but don't write as though it should be taken as read that you're
604:
Given that this page is about joyriding and not just car theft in general, I think it would make sense to remove the information that pertains only to car theft (so, err, most of the UK section, at least). Being a fairly new contributor I do not yet feel confident in doing this myself. Ideally, of
511:
Further to the above, I'm begining to suspect that the claim "joyriding is not considered to be theft, because..." is OR or synthesis. Looking in the text of the Theft Act 1968, there is no specific statement to the effect that "taking a car then abandoning it isn't theft", while the official
385:
As for designated area there are tracks that have open days, what is the problem with a person if they are old enough to go and use these tracks such as mondello. Having a designated area is not going to change the problem of joyriding as there would still have to be age restrictions.
559:
It is quite paradoxical that "the intention to "permanently deprive" the owner of the vehicle cannot be proven" and that "After the vehicle has been dumped it is often set on fire to remove any fingerprints or other evidence."… I believe it needs clarification.
627:
is an Independent article by Phil Dourado which makes mention of a "joyriding epidemic" in the "mid-1980s", which I would assume is what the Knowledge article means when it says "oyriding was a major problem in the United Kingdom during the
311:
This article needs some major clarification as to whether or not it is referring to theft of a car to drive it around purposelessly, or just driving around in ones own car purposelessly. whoever wrote this article is a fucking idiot
495:
Finally, do we really need a list of the most stolen cars in two countries in three specific years? Especially as no source is given, and it is not obvious if this refers to cars stolen for joyriding, or for any purpose.
153: 489:"In English law, joyriding is not considered to be theft, because the intention to "permanently deprive" the owner of the vehicle cannot be proven." vs "Joyriding in the UK is the theft of a vehicle" 332:
This seems as if it was badly translated from another language. I myself do not feel qualified to interject, but perhaps the attention of an expert dealing with the legal issues would be helpful?
289: 254:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join 605:
course, there would be some more relevant information we could put in place of the stuff that needs to be removed. Sadly I've not been able to find all that much about the UK.
147: 667: 590: 371: 571: 475: 255: 425:
Joyriders often enjoy races among their companions, {{Fact|date=December 2006}} and sometimes have a harmful effect on themselves or bystanders: for instance;
492:
Additionally, the statement "which is then driven leisurely" seems dubious - AFAIK plently of joy riders tear around at high and/or dangerous speeds.
250: 227: 335: 662: 512:
definition of "With the intention of permanently depriving the other of it" seems to be broad enough that it could easily apply in such cases.
279: 344:
Yep, really badly written/translated/whatever, seemingly come from some government-or-the-other information source on joyriding. Duly tagged.
618: 375: 657: 348: 320: 79: 479: 624: 464: 44: 548: 599: 643: 85: 168: 586: 419: 367: 135: 567: 594: 471: 30: 575: 632:
Hopefully someone with more experience than me can use these to help sort out this page. I'd be happy to help out.
99: 505: 129: 104: 20: 315:
I understand the concept, but the title says crime, and I dont think that driving with no purpose is a crime.
74: 544: 359: 338: 202: 125: 65: 449:
are considering designating certain areas for legal motorcycle or car races. {{Fact|date=December 2006}}
434: 323: 175: 621:
by Barry Webb and Gloria Laycock, which contains some (potentially) useful data on "twoc" in the UK;
585:
There is no point in any statistics or other citations unless they distinguish between these crimes.
190: 109: 613:
FROM TOAD OF TOAD HALL TO THE 'DEATH DRIVERS' OF BELFAST: An Exploratory History of 'Joyriding'
484: 401: 405: 208: 639: 563: 532: 141: 8: 55: 345: 70: 438: 51: 540: 501: 306: 161: 635: 455: 24: 651: 356: 453:
Please do not return this information to the artilce without a citation.--
536: 497: 612: 608:
Below I have listed the few articles I have found which may be of use.
446: 470:
Footnote 2 and the Northern Ireland Theft Act are both broken links.
430: 426: 404:
Mandalit del Barco, Cracking Down on Oakland's Auto 'Sideshows'
319:
I suppose they meant that joyriding in stolen cars is a crime.
517:"With the intention of permanently depriving the other of it”. 442: 441:. {{Fact|date=December 2006}} Since joyriding and joyriding 402:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4791099
408: 242: 221: 619:
TACKLING CAR CRIME: the nature and extent of the problem
160: 15: 264:Knowledge:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography 668:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography articles 267:Template:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography 649: 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 174: 188: 251:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography 445:harm communities and individuals, some 650: 663:Mid-importance Crime-related articles 248:This article is within the scope of 184: 600:Joyriding is not just vehicle theft 207:It is of interest to the following 23:for discussing improvements to the 13: 658:Start-Class Crime-related articles 615:by Sean O'Connell, which led me to 14: 679: 625:MOTORING: Your car in their hands 241: 220: 189: 45:Click here to start a new topic. 284:This article has been rated as 395: 1: 480:04:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC) 258:and see a list of open tasks. 42:Put new text under old text. 644:02:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC) 420:contested statements removed 360:07:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC) 261:Crime and Criminal Biography 228:Crime and Criminal Biography 7: 595:01:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC) 576:09:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC) 50:New to Knowledge? Welcome! 10: 684: 435:death by dangerous driving 376:19:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC) 290:project's importance scale 349:16:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC) 339:06:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC) 324:09:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC) 283: 236: 215: 80:Be welcoming to newcomers 549:14:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC) 506:14:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC) 465:20:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC) 366:talking about the US. 270:Crime-related articles 197:This article is rated 75:avoid personal attacks 406:All Things Considered 100:Neutral point of view 105:No original research 203:content assessment 86:dispute resolution 47: 566:comment added by 552: 535:comment added by 439:vehicular assault 304: 303: 300: 299: 296: 295: 183: 182: 66:Assume good faith 43: 675: 578: 551: 529: 462: 458: 412: 399: 272: 271: 268: 265: 262: 245: 238: 237: 232: 224: 217: 216: 200: 194: 193: 185: 179: 178: 164: 95:Article policies 16: 683: 682: 678: 677: 676: 674: 673: 672: 648: 647: 602: 561: 530: 487: 460: 456: 422: 417: 416: 415: 411:August 8, 2005. 400: 396: 309: 269: 266: 263: 260: 259: 230: 201:on Knowledge's 198: 121: 116: 115: 114: 91: 61: 25:Joyride (crime) 12: 11: 5: 681: 671: 670: 665: 660: 630: 629: 622: 616: 601: 598: 587:165.121.80.114 557: 556: 555: 554: 525: 520: 486: 485:Contradiction: 483: 469: 451: 450: 421: 418: 414: 413: 393: 392: 388: 379: 378: 368:86.132.137.224 352: 351: 329: 327: 326: 308: 305: 302: 301: 298: 297: 294: 293: 286:Mid-importance 282: 276: 275: 273: 256:the discussion 246: 234: 233: 231:Mid‑importance 225: 213: 212: 206: 195: 181: 180: 118: 117: 113: 112: 107: 102: 93: 92: 90: 89: 82: 77: 68: 62: 60: 59: 48: 39: 38: 35: 34: 28: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 680: 669: 666: 664: 661: 659: 656: 655: 653: 646: 645: 641: 637: 633: 626: 623: 620: 617: 614: 611: 610: 609: 606: 597: 596: 592: 588: 583: 579: 577: 573: 569: 568:212.198.42.84 565: 553: 550: 546: 542: 538: 534: 526: 524: 521: 519: 518: 514: 513: 510: 509: 508: 507: 503: 499: 493: 490: 482: 481: 477: 473: 467: 466: 463: 459: 448: 444: 440: 436: 432: 428: 424: 423: 410: 407: 403: 398: 394: 391: 387: 383: 377: 373: 369: 364: 363: 362: 361: 358: 350: 347: 346:SynergyBlades 343: 342: 341: 340: 337: 333: 330: 325: 322: 318: 317: 316: 313: 291: 287: 281: 278: 277: 274: 257: 253: 252: 247: 244: 240: 239: 235: 229: 226: 223: 219: 218: 214: 210: 204: 196: 192: 187: 186: 177: 173: 170: 167: 163: 159: 155: 152: 149: 146: 143: 140: 137: 134: 131: 127: 124: 123:Find sources: 120: 119: 111: 110:Verifiability 108: 106: 103: 101: 98: 97: 96: 87: 83: 81: 78: 76: 72: 69: 67: 64: 63: 57: 53: 52:Learn to edit 49: 46: 41: 40: 37: 36: 32: 26: 22: 18: 17: 634: 631: 607: 603: 584: 580: 562:— Preceding 558: 528: 522: 516: 515: 494: 491: 488: 472:71.209.152.8 468: 454: 452: 397: 389: 384: 380: 353: 334: 331: 328: 314: 310: 285: 249: 209:WikiProjects 171: 165: 157: 150: 144: 138: 132: 122: 94: 19:This is the 531:—Preceding 447:governments 199:Start-class 148:free images 31:not a forum 652:Categories 636:AlexGallon 390:References 88:if needed 71:Be polite 21:talk page 564:unsigned 545:contribs 533:unsigned 457:Birgitte 357:Fconaway 336:Nofrendo 307:Comments 56:get help 29:This is 27:article. 628:1980s". 431:mugging 427:robbery 288:on the 154:WP refs 142:scholar 537:Wardog 498:Wardog 205:scale. 126:Google 443:gangs 169:JSTOR 130:books 84:Seek 640:talk 591:talk 572:talk 541:talk 502:talk 476:talk 372:talk 321:OzOz 162:FENS 136:news 73:and 437:or 409:NPR 280:Mid 176:TWL 654:: 642:) 593:) 574:) 547:) 543:• 504:) 478:) 461:SB 433:, 429:, 374:) 156:) 54:; 638:( 589:( 570:( 539:( 500:( 474:( 370:( 292:. 211:: 172:· 166:· 158:· 151:· 145:· 139:· 133:· 128:( 58:.

Index

talk page
Joyride (crime)
not a forum
Click here to start a new topic.
Learn to edit
get help
Assume good faith
Be polite
avoid personal attacks
Be welcoming to newcomers
dispute resolution
Neutral point of view
No original research
Verifiability
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL

content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Crime and Criminal Biography
WikiProject icon
WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.

↑