Talk:Icelandic horse

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horses of other gaited breeds DO use these ambling gaits naturally when loose in a pasture (I have personally witnessed this in Tennessee Walking Horses and Paso Finos). I don't know if a lot of research has been done on the evolution of gaits, but it makes sense that all forms of locomotion must have had some form of natural selection for them to exist at all. Even some trotting breeds will occasionally amble, given a good reason to do so, usually related to being off-balance or being asked to perform a trot in a manner too fast or too slow for the horse's ability. None of this can I give you a source document for, however. LOL!

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there isn't much else out there, the less obnoxious forms are acceptable. For example, the Google ads down the side of iceryder.com are not what disqualified it, it was the content of the site itself. To take another example, a forum buried within a breed registry site (there are member forums and marketplace pages in most registry sites) does not disqualify the whole site, but a link directly to the chat forum is not acceptable, nor would a link to a chat forum web site that was mostly ads, bulletin boards, chat rooms and a reprint of a wikipedia article for "educational materials" be acceptable.

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the characteristics of a breed nor portray an ideal individual. Sorry to disappoint, but if that was your own photo, you need to just take a deep breath and let it go. It's a great example of a horse with a heavy winter coat. But the photo is not a good example of the breed characteristics of an Icelandic horse. (Even if the animal, shed off, groomed and properly set up happens to be a good example in real life). This is an ongoing problem in wikipedia, not enough properly composed horse images for a lot of articles, a lot of decently composed images that are of poor technical quality. Sigh...

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preference multiplier function), if you feel it would help. To me, the picture appears quite nicely sized, and I am able to see the various horses quite clearly. If you think that one of the other pictures is better for another reason, please let me know. Also, the orange ears are very funky - is this a natural coloring, or did someone get out the hair dye? I like the image of the multiple horses being led by one guy, but I'm not really sure where to put it in the article without squeezing the other images. Thoughts?

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in UK English!) And then, you have to change EVERYTHING, not just a few words in a few places, but consistently throughout. Here, the article was begun in US English and has been edited for years in US English. I personally do not care deeply about the issue, but if anyone wants to change it, they need to go through the whole article with a fine-toothed comb, and please only do so AFTER consensus is reached. And here, there is not a consensus to change it. My vote is to stay with US English.

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breed literature also claimed Icelandics did not kick, spook, buck - and there seems to be a current shift in the description of the body frame for their tolt gait (whole nuther issue sorry). Anyway, 'Icelandics are typically not trained under saddle until the age of four or five, when they are considered physically and mentally mature' is correct, but the part about being late maturing and/or later maturing than other breeds has not been, and in my opinion cannot be, proven, and is misleading.

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every horse) has that comfortable gait. However, I haven't really come across any information that discusses this phenomenon in the Icelandic in particular. With this question, and the others above, if other editors/readers have reliable sources that discuss this information in this breed, I would be more than happy to add the information to the article. Just let me know what the source is...

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registries as far as I can tell, there may be others. By and large, their commercial links are not on the home page, it's a separate link. Eidfaxi appears to be a major professional publication about Icelandic horses, there may be others, but it looks similar to other breed magazines, with some ads on the home page, which is annoying, but typical, and they do not promote a single vendor.

1945: 907:. Frankly, IMHO, the 14.2 hand "horse/pony" cutoff dichotomy is a rather false one, given that I have, for example, personally seen 13.2 Arabian "horses" and 15.3 Fjord "ponies." Chincoteague "ponies" are unquestionably horse in phenotype, and grow horse-sized under domestication, yet one could make an argument that the triangular head and heavy forelock of the old "Justin Morgan" style 974:"...the 14.2 hand "horse/pony" cutoff dichotomy is a rather false one, given that I have, for example, personally seen 13.2 Arabian "horses" and 15.3 Fjord "ponies." Absolutely; agree. My 14.3h Icelandic's height does not transform him into a horse; and my 14h Tennessee Walker will never exhibit pony characteristics. Height is not the determining factor. 1749:, it's long but contains lots of info. The section on skeletal maturity begins on page 6. Published references are on page 21, including a paper from the 'American Journal of Veterinary Research' and a reference book called 'Science in Archaeology', and others dealing with bone growth data, which she summarizes and diagrams in her article. 2467:"About 900 years ago, attempts were made to introduce eastern blood into the Icelandic, resulting in a degeneration of the stock. In 982 AD the Icelandic Althing (parliament) passed laws prohibiting the importation of horses into Iceland, thus ending crossbreeding. The breed has now been bred pure in Iceland for more than 1,000 years" 1270:

pace, is even less, I think it's the difference between a metronomic 1-2-3-4 rhythm and a broken 1-2, 3-4 rhythm) There was a big-enough-to-be-annoying edit discussion about the question of canter and gallop being one gait or two because of the extra beat. I think I lost the battle to merge gallop into canter, yet we have the article

965:"As for the horse/pony question...in the English-speaking world, your view of the terminology appears to be a minority position..." It doesn't seem to be a minority on the email discussion list of 1200 members (doubly more than the number of members of the registry), who easily refer to their Icelandic equines as ponies. 1376:. This page, admittedly PR, says they have a friendly disposition and are willing to please. Other sites talk about their spiritedness, including the USA organization's "buyers checklist" that has some comments on "willingness" (except they don't explain what they really are talking about), but it's not great. 819:

materials. To the extent that I got on autopilot and tossed one site, thinking it the other, not realizing that there were two, I apologize. That said, the first screen of Iceryder.net looks almost as POV and commercial as Iceryder.com until you scroll down a bit. That is weak web design, but not fatal.

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I understand that Iceland doesn't allow their horses/ponies to come back to their native home of Iceland once they leave? This doesn't seem right. However, I saw one of your horses/ponies doing the "toit" and I would like to know if you "score" your horses/ponies to enable them to prance around with

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In general, specific breeds have developed special gaits in response to human breeding selection, because they are more comfortable. People breed the horse with the most comfortable gait to another horse with a really comfortable gait, and in time, you end up with a breed where every horse (or almost

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article, but isn't repeated in each of the breed articles because it would be a lot of duplicated information. Also, I've never come across any source information that discusses the average age of the Icelandic in particular, and I'm iffy on whether transfering information from a broad range of breed

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had a lot on temperament, but all unsourced. Some of it was what was in there 3-4 years ago, but there is a hint that the FEIF was the source. However, I dug around for awhile there today and didn't find anything. I DID find a web page that described their temperament on the Canadian Association's

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Small pixel size of a good quality horse in a classic frame (and it shows the color of the horse just fine) beats a technically perfect image of an ungroomed horse taken at a bad angle which distorted the image and made it look like it had no neck. So yes. An artsy featured image may not illustrate

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No, (grin) it means that Iceland is a very difficult place to try and raise horses, and thus the ecosystem played a major role in the development of the breed. There may be room for some phrase tweaking, but there is little debate that the Icelandic horse developed some unique breed characteristics

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I realize the breed literature says that, a quick search shows the same thing said about Andalusians, Lipizzaners, and several other horse breeds, often to explain why they are not trained under saddle until older, or in combination with claims about their longevity. Sources can be incorrect - early

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All horses kick, domestic or feral or otherwise. Some horses and horse breeds have good dispositions and are less prone to kick, or require more provocation before they kick, but ANY horse will kick with sufficient reason. Icelandic horses are reputed to have good dispositions. Still, I would never

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Improvements work for me, too. Good sourcing. As for canter/gallop, I doubt it will be fully resolved. They are both "leaping gaits" but they do have a slight difference in footfall, so good arguments both ways. (The difference between two Saddlebred ambling gaits, the singlefoot and the stepping

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So does it have five or six gaits? I believe that in many languages/cultures there is no distinction made between canter and gallop, which would give ordinary horses three gaits and the Icelandic five – presumably this is where the lower numbers come from: essentially a translation error. However,

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Per wikipedia conventions, whether UK or US English is used, generally the policy is that whichever form the article was started, that is the form that is kept unless there is a very strong consensus to change it. (Or some extremely logical reason, say an article is about England and thus should be

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We have an educational Icelandic Horse email discussion list with over 1200 members, with 2000 posts per month. We have the IceHorse Rescue, working with and trying to place rescue or rehab Icelandics. We have the Icelandic Horse Pajama Project (for children of poverty), as well as other community

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As for the horse/pony question, your own site calls them "horses," acknowledging that "Horse" is an accepted term of art within the English language. I do not dispute that Icelandics have some "pony" characteristics. I also do not dispute the northern European DNA origins. Nonetheless, the bottom

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A link the the iceryder.net site map would also not be acceptable under the wikipedia "no link farm" policy. (Thousands of articles, indeed! And wikipedia wants you do to the work of sorting through them for the reader!) Likewise, articles, for example, on Parelli training methods are POV for this

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What does it mean? It says that it has remained pure for over 1000 years, but it also says that "900 years ago attempts were made to introduce eastern blood" and that in 982 importing of other horses was prohibited. It's written in a way that the event which took place 900 years ago happened before

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Gaited horses in general are reputed to be surefooted. The "singlefoot" nature of the lateral ambling gaits is such that three of the four feet are always on the round, making for a very stable and secure form of locomotion. While I don't have a lot of specific info on Icelandics, I do know that

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I do have two Icelandics, and I try to learn as much about them and horses in general, as I often get questions and I want to give people accurate information. There is information and misinformation out there, but I have no agenda aside from seeking knowledge and accuracy, I hope that's how I come

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For the record, I question the amount of "risk" associated with duplication of information in a non-linear, digital context. The main issue with Knowledge is that slight (unintended) differences in a given piece of information (which should be unchanged from place to place) could be misleading, and

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The difference is basically between sites promoting a breed in general, with an emphasis on education, versus sites promoting an individual farm. Sites containing commercial advertising from multiple advertisers are not ideal, but when they contain reputable educational materials, especially when

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I'm not sure how much I agree with the inclusion of the sentence "Natural selection has also played a role, as the harsh Icelandic climate eliminated many horses through cold and starvation." Doesn't this essentially just mean "Sometimes, horses die."? I don't mean to be facetious, but it seems an

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Horses are generally considered to be able to carry about 30% of their weight. This can change depending on the breed, individual horse, nutrition, terrain, etc. However, I haven't been able to find anything specifically about the Icelandic horse's weight carrying abilities. They weigh 330 and 380

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I think the original weasel was from me. When I first started editing breed articles, there appeared to be the remains of a big "what's a horse and what's a pony" edit dispute across several articles, including this one. (It's long over and was mostly wound down at the time) That and some clubs

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Did some tweaking and added some more information (and references) in the gaits section. Better to explain things in the body rather than the lead. Basically, the breed registries seem to consider the canter and gallop as one gait, something which should now be better explained at the beginning of

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No* English is NOT one of Iceland's official languages, never has been. Many Icelanders, of course, speak English, just as many Germans speak English and many Swedes speak English. Some Icelanders speak British English, others American English, depending on their education. There is no standard

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Breed registries, even with some advertising (the best do not have advertising links on their home pages, though, looks tacky) are often the most knowledgable sources (though admittedly POV) on many of the rarer and more obscure breeds. Or at least, they are supposed to be (yes, I know, there are

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I'd like to question the statements 'Icelandic horses are late-developers' (in the initial paragraph), and 'The breed matures late' and 'structural development is not complete until age 7' in the Breed Characteristics section. Icelandics are 'Equus ferus caballus', and as such they not only share

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The link "some Icelandic horse articles" is the most marginal and most commercial, but it goes to an internal page that has primarily a short list of educational articles specific to the unique aspects of the Icelandic breed, and the sales stuff is off a different link placed at the bottom of the

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Big pics can be curbed by coding and preferences, but offer more to people who want to see more. To have small resolution pics in a FA feels dumb, especially now that the Icelandic horse collection at Commons has expanded the way it has. It also will keep expanding too, since I have tons of nice

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Icelandics are known for their ability to comfortably and efficiently carry an adult Icelandic male for distances as they were the principal means of land transport in Iceland for centuries. I would estimate 75-80 kg. This would obviously refer to trail-type riding, not equestrian sports such as

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sure that you want an image of size 300 × 269 pixels with really bad color profile as title image. Well, I just gave up an edit war on German WikiPedia and I see clearly the critics on my image even if it was regarded as featured image - but something else than the current image should be found

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Basically, I tossed about a gazillion commercial farm sites off this page a while back, kept the ones that were legitimate breed organizations or seemed to go primarily to educational materials. I reviewed them all again, tossed one dead link. Basically, all the breed registries are legitimate

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Thus, in the English-speaking world, your view of the terminology appears to be a minority position, and while there could be a decent subsection in the article titled something like "Horses or Ponies?" that outlines the controversy, it appears that the weight of the evidence is in favor of the

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article (which, by the way, desperately needs improvement!). In your case, red flags went up when "Iceryder" linked to Iceryder.net or Iceryder.com. To link to the home page of your own web site smacks of commercial self-promotion, whether you were doing so or not, which may be sad, but true.

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The link for animations of the different Icelandic horse gates now leads to a 404 error. I don't know if it points to what is now the wrong page, or if it doesn't exist any longer, but if someone doesn't mind navagating around a page in Icelandic to find out, it might be worthwhile to do so and

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Pitke for having WAY more energy than the rest of us!) Pitke has also been doing a bunch of work organizing horse images over on Commons, so if we need a photo... On the other hand, Pitke, I know that replacing photos on an FA like this one is something one really must do with great caution:

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Hi Pitke, and thanks for the pictures. I'm not really sure what your thoughts behind replacing the current herd pic are? You say that it is "tiny", yet it is not sized to anything, simply the default thumb, which means it is sized by your preferences. I can, however, make it bigger (by using a

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This is a very nice article, but I'm still left unsatisfied regarding whether all those gaits are useful in a natural environment. When out on their own, will these horses use all of those gaits in response to different circumstances? Does a horse with five gaits have better control over its

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Icelandics aren't traditionally trained under saddle until the age of four or five, true - the reasons often given are physical and mental maturity - but stating they 'mature late' implies that other breeds mature early, and from what I've read of Deb Bennett there are only minor variations in

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First off, I think there is some confusion between Iceryder.com, which is a poor quality commercial site with little educational material specific to the Icelandic horse and has been tossed off of here a couple of times, and Iceryder.net, which is a better quality site with some educational

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Licensing must be absolutely perfect, for one thing, topic needs to be virtually identical as even the captions and neighboring text have been through a gauntlet of fussy reviewers, some of whom like nothing better than to nitpick... So anyway, I have no opinion here, but hugs everyone!

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are quite clear that we are not to be doing original research studies or promoting a biased viewpoint. So, if the most apparently reputable sources say it's a "horse," well, they are the experts, and even if I thought I was an expert too, I couldn't publish my own stuff here anyway.

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The Icelanders I met were quite adamant about calling them horses rather than ponies. Can the "pony" thing in the first sentence be cited, or should it be removed alltogether? The rest of the article never once refers to it as a "pony"; it even compares it to "other breeds of

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who, I presume, are the experts. The Norwegians and the German-speakers seem to want to call them ponies, (though one wiki citing another doesn't "count" as they have the same standards we do here) but in the case of the Germans, they apparently just raised the height of the

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Well, since noone has responded with their own "competition" photo of the different gaits, I will post this one of an Icelandic tolting on a trail ride. Most of the owners I know do more trail riding than showing since there aren't that many shows to go to in the US.

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Personaly owning and training icelandic horses I would use a better picture for showing the gate, and I would also have a picture og a horse in pace. It is not difficult to find much better quality competition pictures than that. Unregistered user 12:44, 24 July 2007

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Icelanders don't eat horse meat regularly. It was banned when Icelanders became christian, in 1000! It is rare that horse meat is for sale in supermarkets, but it is every once in a while. But you couldn't say that Icelanders are a predator threat to the horse.

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Well gang, on my laptop, everything looks fine small, oversized images look funny and take up half the page! So to each his/her own, I guess. It's a no-win. However, Dana, this is a good faith offer by Pitke, who has been making a major effort to improve the

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I noticed that the horse pictured in the gaits section is very dirty (looks like manure because of the location of the stains) and thought that this might be a turn off to other people. I have uploaded another photo that can serve as a cleaner replacement.

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Except that source material for the Icelandics specifically point out that they mature later than some other breeds. The material does not point out specific differences in lifespan. Bennett's research is interesting - where has she published this material?

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In general, internal pages from commercial sites with educational information that is accurate and of high quality work particularly well as SPECIFIC FOOTNOTES to verify the factual information in the article, and this one desperately needs footnotes. See

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we do not selling anything (no horses, no saddles, no supplements, no charge for reading articles, no fees to join anything, etc). There is an Icelandics For Sale page, as a community benefit (no charge), for anyone to add their personal horse for sale.

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Incidentally, there is an article in (I think) Icelandic that appears to be a study of the DNA of the Icelandic and who the breed is related to. May be interesting to look up the English references, but probably later, not in the middle of an FA run.

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I do not have any of Deb Bennett's books, and the first article of hers I saw on equine maturity was online, although it was also published in numerous horse publications (over 75 according to her). The original article was expanded and can be found

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kilograms (730 and 840 lb), which I added to the article, which means they should be able to carry between 110 and 125 kilograms (243 and 276 lb). However, this is OR, and so I can't add it into the article without a specific ref. Hope this helps.

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maturation rate between breeds (actually more height, neck length, and gender based). Other breeds are ridden younger, but that doesn't mean that they mature younger - she states no breed is skeletally mature before 5 and a half years old.

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line is that English speakers and all the recognized breed registries of English-speaking nations that have been provided to date seem united in calling them "horses," as, apparently, do the official international organizations such as

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The site of eidfaxi should probably be removed since that is a sales site (filled with advertising), along with chat, and links to farms. And probably the registry sites, also. As well as the last link which is a personal sales site.

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Fair enough on the sizing thing. I have switched out both the foal and the herd shots - let me know what you think. As just a general FYI, alt text is no longer required for FAs, which is why I haven't added it to the two new photos.

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This section seems to be missing a basic fact: the average life expectancy of Icelandics. It mentions a couple of outliers that lived to a record old age, but nothing about the average for the breed. (I believe it's fairly long,

2606: 465:) claims that Icelandic horses have "proportionally the largest genitalia of any horse in the world". Is there anyone that can confirm/deny? I think this is worthy of including in the article if it's true. - 1878:

Ah, that seems sensible. Is there maybe some further reading on the development of the breed in terms of the competition and the harsh climate? Thanks for clearing that up though. And hey, Merry Christmas!

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normally made between the three-beat and four-beat gaits, and on WP we have articles or sections for both. I think we do really need to be consistent with the rest of the English WP – and if Icelandic

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should NOT be linked, but if the info was used in the article, the citation should go to the original publication, and so should any URL unless the original publication only exists in hardcopy.

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high steps? If so, I have no use for people who do this to animals. These wonderful animals already do enough for their humans. So please do tell me if you do this to your wonderful animals.

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that updating each instance (should new information become available) would be a potentially gargantuan task. If those two are major concerns here, I suppose the risk is, then, significant.

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for Icelandics in Europe which used the term "pony," though in their own language, not the English word. I cannot find the original links now, but basically I think we need a minor CYA.

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horse breeders say five, that's a reason to explain their alternative way of counting, rather than to copy it and be inconsistent with other articles. All this assumes that Icelandics

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I added in a sentence on their temperament, from the International Museum of the Horse source that I have used in other areas of the article. Please let me know if it is enough.

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Montanabw said: "To link to the home page of your own web site smacks of commercial self-promotion". Just to be clear, in regard to the Icelandic Horse Connection website

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Thanks Malleus! Your copyediting and comments are much appreciated. I apologize for taking so long to reply to them...RL gets in the way at the most inconvenient times :)

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page. If the articles are inaccurate or of poor quality, there would be an argument to tossing the link, but this is an example of how a commercial site can be used.

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can be quite helpful. (I will put ONE link from .net back to the ref list, it seems quite relevant) On the other hand, an article mirroring another site, like this:

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projects. We try to put a stop to the abusive practices in Icelandic shows. The email discussion list is the hub of the Icelandic Horse Community in North America.

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I hear that most people actually don't eat horse meat any more...this should probably be changed because it represents an outdated cultural stereotype. Discussion?

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I have some more sources for the naming thing, will probably work on that later today or tomorrow, as well as taking care of the comments from the peer review.

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Montanabw said: "Maybe pony DNA, but I've had breeders bite my head off when calling them ponies! Going with what the breeders and registries call them."

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I've removed the odd sentence "This sort of behavior is simply not tolerated.". I mention this because it makes me suspicious of the whole of this edit:

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why are there so many horses in Iceland? That works out to more than 1 horse per 3 people. How do they manage them in the nuclear winter and for feed?

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lifespans similar to all breeds (as stated above), all breeds have similar maturity rates, according to research done by Deb Bennett, among others.

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So, my suggestion is that you take what appears to be a lot of extensive research and start footnoting the article. Take a look at the criteria for

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JM Archer, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Was there a question associated with your comment, or did you have a specific concern?

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The "Horse" in Icelandic Horse or Fjord Horse is just a title. Prior to 1960 marketing, the Icelandics were referred to as Icelandic Ponies.

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designation "horse." And a discussion of the DNA stuff is better placed under the "history" subheading anyway. The guidelines, particularly

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Therefore, I would change the part that says "Because they can be pony-sized..." to something like "Because they ARE pony-sized..."

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Information on Knowledge should be true, shouldn't it? Not just what people want to hear? We shouldn't go by marketing myths.

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The Icelandic Horse Connection has a thousand pages with valid informational and educational material about Icelandic Horses.

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Spelling most used in Iceland? In Iceland, we speak Icelandic, not English. Knowledge spelling conventions should apply. --

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Can anyone tell us what the typical Icelandic horse's ability to bear the weight of a rider is in kilos or pounds? Thanks.

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could be considered to for replace it? There aren't many Icelandic foals available, unless you count the weanlings (?) in

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Well with a larger display, 300 × 225 pixels is really quite small. The current foal picture is even more tiny btw, maybe

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That is because the life expectancy for all horse breeds is roughly the same - 25 to 30 years. It's discussed in the main

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wild prototype appears to be a common ancestor of both modern horse and pony breeds in northern Europe, according to the

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to about 15 hh! I am not going to quibble over cultural differences of opinion and especially usage in other languages.

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for how to do this. Toss in a few other people's materials and cite to book sources too, though. But please also read

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Btw, I think that the section's name should be spelled with a U, since that spelling is most often used in Iceland.

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This statement is completely false, as there are now more horses located outside of Iceland than within the island.

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where it was changed from "horse" to "pony". I've changed it back, and added a small bit of info about the name.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I've heard that the Icelandic horse lacks the kicking instinct of the domestic horse. Can someone verify this?

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OK, thank you for the information. I have removed the "late developing" phrases from the lead and the body.

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You should sign your posts. To answer your question: Icelanders eat horses, hence the great number of them.

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I shouldn't have to say this, but I never said that English is an official language of Iceland.

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No matter what the Icelanders *want* to call them, they are ponies. Their ancesters are ponies

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section says that "breeders and breed registries always refer to Icelandics as a horse".

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Tweaked this wording (in the lead). Please let me know if more needs to be done.

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Interesting. Will have to try to get my hands on some of these when I get home.

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No, that's silly. They are similar in proportions to any other breed.

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just walk up behind one and startle it by slapping it on the behind!

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Check the European sites which accurately call them ponies.

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I can't see anything about the breed's temperament.

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