Talk:History of Indiana/Archive 1

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Iroquoian people called the Neutrals. They lived on the north shore of Lake Erie, were caught up in the Beaver Wars & the last of them were recorded as living in Ohio by the French. There, they once told the French that they had aided in the destruction of the "Fire Nation" who had lived just west of them & were larger than them & the Huron put together. Coincidentally, the earliest maps show a tribe there usually referred to as "Gen D'Feu,' which means the same thing. I can also direct you to this article-- www.ontarioarchaeology.wildapricot.org/.../oa51-2-steckley.pdf-- by a historial who was trying to date & understand an early map of New France. He came to the conclusion that Gen D'Feu is the same as Mascouten. I will also add (mainly because I, an Ohioan, didn't know this, so I assume people in Indiana may not either) that the French did explore as far as Wisconsin & the Mississippi River before the Beaver Wars & the Miami & Mascouten could not have been fully displaced before the Iroquois arrived in Indiana & Michigan after 1655. There was more info on that on the History of Wisconsin page, which was something I did not add. I know the tribes later came back & reformed as the Miami & Wea, which easily explains the confusion as to who should have been here during this time. I did find a timeline for 1660- onward that some historians had constructed on a PDF page entitled: An Anthropological Report on the Indians of the Kankakee River. Again, you would have to look it up. And, the Beaver Wars began in the 1620s-30s, not prior to 1600, as has been written on the page.

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studying the mound complexes in Anderson County, but deals with virtually all known similar sites in Indiana. The conclusion was that, of all sites from which accurate info could be gleaned, they are a mixture of star-watching "temples" & burial mounds & were created around the time of Christ, when the Adena Culture was evolving into the Hopewell (Hundreds of years before the Mississippian Culture came into being) & they were still being used & reutilized for other purposes for hundreds of years afterward, until about 900 AD, well after the Hopewell were extinct. There were also, after a thorough search, no contemporaneous dwelling sites found in the vicinity of any of these sites, which rules out Mississippian who constructed most of their sites inside of or near their cities. Unless there are other sites I am unaware of-- in which case, I would like to know. Plus, the wiki page, here, makes note of copper weaponry being made which ceased afterward & following cultures were less advanced. While it has been known to happen, I rarely, if ever, have seen many examples of copper weaponry at all. Mostly, it was used to make jewelry & funerary goods & it didn't stop. One of the most important copper mines on the continent was in Michigan.

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summary into parts, one per paragraph, and the division would follow wars and other major events: prehistory (<1700); colonization thru the Revolutionary War; the frontier (thru 1813 Battle of the Thames for Indiana); settlement up to the civil war; Civil War and growth (to ~1895); industrialization thru WW2; post-War modern state. That's 7 paragraphs, a bit too many, but prehistory is a single sentence, so can be combined into the colonization paragraph. Doing that, it's apparent that we give short shrift to some things, like settlement and Indian removal. From the text, we'd not know there were any Indian wars! Just three years before statehood, the capital had to be moved from Vincennes to Corydon because Vincennes was threatened with being burned to the ground. At statehood, the northern boundary of Indiana was less than 50 miles north of the Ohio River. Most of Indiana wasn't actually acquired (i.e. available for settlement) until after the 1818 Treaty of St. Mary's. Some of this should go in the lead. I'm going so give it a try, post it here, and see what feedback I get.

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of Canada. That province was informally divided between Ohio Country and Illinois Country. A large chunk of central eastern Indiana was part of Ohio Country, and the region below and to the southwest and southeast of Lake Michigan was Illinois Country. Early on, maybe 1725? the province of Quebec was split off and Indiana was divided between them by the Wabash River. In 1779, Clark claimed the lands west of the Alleghenies between the parallels of the state of Virginia as Illinois County, Virginia, and it had a formal county government under the state. It was ceded to the United States in 1784 and became unorganized territory. In 1787, it became part of the Northwest Territory. There never was a Virginia territory which included Indiana; Illinois Territory didn't exist until 1809 and it didn't include Indiana, either. So if the 'region' Virginia ruled as territory implicitly includes Indiana, the statement is vague and imprecise. Somewhere, part or all of the above evolution of Indiana's sovereignty should be detailed.

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someone saw no reason to change the date format, then it was, “well the page started that way, so let’s keep it”, now its, “changing back and forth, that’s the problem. Why should it change back and forth? I did it correctly, made sure that all formats were to spec, why didn’t you guys just leave it the way I had it? If you have a personal reason you are against the BC/AD system, just come out and say so. With all due respect to the ones who worked hard to put this page together, who are you to say that my reasoning on this is wrong. There is no consensus on the date format in the academic world and the reasons given here to use the BCE/CE format are subject to debate. Since both systems are fine, and some have stated repeatedly that they have no preference, could we please just use the BC/AD system? --

2622:" to see how historically accurate popular media is. Not very, usually - such lists are about tourism, not history. They invariably omit unglamourous places like Connersville, Indiana (est. 1813). When a city was established can mean several things, too: when first settlers arrived, when it was platted; when it was incorporated, or when it first came under U.S. sovereignty if it's a very old city or a Native American settlement. Regardless, history happens around populated places, and where were those? Here's my list for Indiana. By the mid-1820's there were dozens of settlements with and without names, so that's a cutoff. 2779:

because river boats could go no further, and the settlements became Louisville and Clarksville. They also came northwesterly from Fort Washington/Cincinnati up the Whitewater and across the White River valleys, and became Lawrenceburg and Indianapolis. Along the Wabash were Vincennes, Terre Haute and Lafayette. And a few came westerly from southwestern Ohio via Wayne's forts on the Ohio border below the Greenville Treaty Line, and those settlements became Richmond and Connersville. We can say that "some of" or "among" the early settlements were these, so that we don't invite nitpicking or one-upmanship among editors.

2517:(Illinois County, Virginia) before the campaign, but as a result of it - it was founded later in 1778, and encompassed most of what were formerly known as Ohio Country and Illinois Country. Clark's purpose wasn't to claim Illinois Country for Virginia, but to dislodge the British from Detroit by way of the Wabash and Great Lakes traverse. The intent was patently specious, because Clark had only 175 men, and Detroit was garrisoned with hundreds of men. I don't have the source, but if it says what's quoted above, we need a more accurate source, because it wasn't that way. 748:) and editors have a problem with both styles, and is not likely to ever be resolved in favor of one or the other. While AD\BC is perhaps more used, I don't think it is more "popular" among the editors on wikipedia - I say this because most historians typically use the CE\BCE, (It has nothing to do with bias, it just that most people can understand what Common Era and Before Common Era means versus Anno Domini and Ante Christum - plus it looks more scholarly) and it is those types of editors who edit articles like this. Using either style is approved in 602:

several comments about pronoun and article usage. And to be honest, I'm not perfectly sure what that means but I have went through and replaced many pronouns with nouns as the is the only thing i could think of to address the issue. As far as using articles, I don't have the slightest idea what to do about that. I am not sure what else to do? If it needs work on prose someone besides me is going to have to do it because that's pretty much as good as I get. But all in all I think it was productive. Even if it's not FA quality I am proud of it! :)

31: 2541:"Delaware New Purchase" or just "New Purchase". Later, it was divided into two areas, the Wabash watershed in the northwest and White River watershed in the southeast, called the Wabash New Purchase and Delaware New Purchase respectively, which became Wabash and Delaware Counties in Jan. 1820. Eventually, 35 new counties were carved out of the New Purchase. Notably, an area like a large bite in the middle of the northern boundary, was reserved to the Miami, called the 2453:

GA articles require scrupulous citation to scholarly sources. That would be to peer-reviewed publications or scholarly books - a citation for every paragraph and every factoid within it. What you know or think you know doesn't matter - what you can source does. If you're going to make a more than trivial change or addition to a GA article, the process is by consensus - make a talk page entry with the proposed change, then wait for other editors (like me) to chime in.

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up articles in my head, or not. Secondly, the picture I included of a separate, eastern species of a Buffalo was clearly made by someone who had never seen one & looks more like an Aurox. Beyond that, any info on the page that I haven't covered, while somewhat bland, seems to be accurate-- including names of tribes & info on the creation of the Illinois Colony. I really just want the info to be as accurate as humanly possible. Sorry for the length. Thank you.

467:"over-referenced". I've redid any formatting that did not comply with the MoS. I've also expanded the smaller sections somewhat and the twentieth century section looks pretty good now I think. The infobox on the hoosiers contributions in the wars where removed with the comment they where not Indiana specific, which is somewhat true, so I have not added them back. So.. I guess I will submit for an FAC review sometime today. 1538:

so the state turned to the miltia. The militia was the Indiana Legion. It was also created during the Civil War, as a backup to the Indiana Regiments in the federal army. The Indiana Legion was renamed the Liberty Guard in 1910. The liberty guard was made official again during WW1 - and given a formal origination from the government - and renamed the Indiana Guard Reserve.

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Plate Road)_was lighter, and single-tracked, and competed by running fast freight such as mail, refrigerated beef, etc., at premium prices twelve hours a day in each direction. while the South Shore hauled heavy freight.more slowly, in both directions all the time. While the interurban hauled some freight, it was mostly small parcels such as a Greyhound bus might haul.

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that but will take a little research in my libary for precise numbers. Morgan's raid was really the most impacting part of the war on the state though. Indiana did not receive alot of demands on it's resources really, not compared the eastern states and even Ohio. New England, NY, and PA, bore the brunt of the war costs and supplying the army with men and supplies

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precept.)". This sort of thing, as SJA says, has been a huge problem and is still something where you see IPs who do nothing but make changes in large numbers of articles because they don't like on particular system. By the way, I won't be around for a while because - I'm going to Indiana (via the Blue Ridge mountains where I won't have Internet access).

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Greenville Treaty Line in 1795, and included a wedge of land in present day Indiana known as "The Gore". The Boundary of Indiana Territory in 1800 followed that treaty line, until Ohio became a state in 1803, and that little wedge of land in Ohio was ceded to Indiana Territory then. No part of present day Ohio was ever a part of Indiana Territory.

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Lakes - Lake Michigan was 240 miles from Vincennes, and Lake Erie an incredible 350 miles away. That's 10 days and 14 days travel on horseback across dense hostile woodland, if you're lucky. Clark followed the Ohio and Wabash River Valleys and never got more than a few miles from the rivers because he didn't need to. Virginia didn't claim

855:. The rule is, leave it the way you found it unless you have a substantive reason for change and/or consensus on your side; don't disrupt stable articles. Best to put a stop to any funny business before it gets out of hand and the editor sees the response (or lack of) as a green light to run riot through the project changing era styles. -- 3486:

2. history of towns and places: there are only 5 places in the state older than 1800: Ouiatenon, Vincennes, Clarksville, Fort Wayne (the fort, not the city), and Jeffersonville which began life as little known Fort Finney in 1786. These places all have colorful early histories, but if we mention them

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The article lead jumps from statehood in 1816 to, "The newly-established state government laid out on an ambitious plan to transform Indiana from a segment of the frontier into a developed, well-populated, and thriving state." That wasn't until the Mammoth Internal Improvement Act of 1836. The lead

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The southwestern border of Ohio was set by the Treaty of Greenville in 1795. In 1803 at Ohio statehood, a sliver of southwestern Ohio comprising the Whitewater Valley watershed and lands south to the Ohio River called "The Gore" was ceded to Indiana and became Dearborn County, IN. Should be worth a

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says "After the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War, George Rogers Clark was sent from Virginia to enforce its claim to much of the land in the Great Lakes region." There's a lot wrong with this. Clark wasn't in Virginia, he was in Kentucky at Falls of the Ohio. He never came near the Great

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Your comment is unsigned, not good. Fortunately, SineBot figured it out. The animal you cite is an oryx, not an 'Aurox' (no need to capitalize). You can't do what you want here - a large number of editors have reached a considered consensus on this article, called GA, and we intend to maintain it.

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Agreed. You need a very good reason to change from the original format (like the article is about a religion that doesn't use BC/AD but whoever started it used BC/AD). Consistency between articles is neither a good reason nor would it end up with anything but edit wars. I've reverted Rob (and have,

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review when I submit it again. And there is a rule concerning using the original system. If you should change it again please make sure you get them all and link them properly as stated in the MOS. Also please be advised that if you revert something more than three times you are automatically alerted

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Apparently someone didn't like it next to the ToC because it got moved. No idea who... you cats have been busy! Seriously, I made one minor change during my lunch break, and by the end of the day there were more than 50 updates. Hats off to all of you! The big blank space next to the ToC is still

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Seal of Indiana sounds good. I added a bit to that article awhile ago to de-stub it and it's been in use since at least 1803. Or we could move on of them up like the war memorial or the race car crash. Of course an automobile accident may not be the best representative of Indiana (hahaha). And i dont

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Ah, ah, ah... I live In Connersville, where the Whitewater Canal was HQ'ed. It was started in 1836, but only minimnally operational by 1842-43, and not finished until 1847. It was abandoned in 1849. Most of the work didn't get done until 1842 and later, when the MIIP was kaput. Those funds didn't

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Meyer states: "In 1836 Indiana entered into the construction of a complete system of internal improvements, comprising canals, turnpikes, and railroads, designed to open up the remotest corners of the state to communication with the Great Lakes and Ohio and thence to the Atlantic seaports." BH Meyer

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back then because there was no place with that name yet. Bzzzzt. Diction... history... what exactly was Indianapolis back then? The area of Indianapolis wasn't quite a wilderness at the time, there was a small settlement there, and the site had some notable geologic advantages: the settlement was

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at St. Mary's, Ohio. Actually, it was 6 treaties, one with each of six tribes or groups of tribes in Indiana, to acquire Indian lands south of the Wabash from the Delaware and others. The area comprised about 1/3 of the present day area of Indiana, the central portion, and was initially called the

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That being said, I admit it has been slow going, I am learning more info as I go & I no longer feel everything I included in the first update was entirely accurate either. I can no longer remember where I read the info regarding village form & am no longer certain whether or not I was mixing

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I did redo the history section there to better summarize this article. As I said, I really have no preference over which style is used, It's my understanding that both are acceptable so long as uniformity is maintained within the article. On that article AD\BC was already in use, so I stuck with it.

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If it failed FAC, it's no fault of your own. You've put a great deal of work into this article, and you should be proud of how far you've brought it. I followed some of the FAC suggestions and realized that this article had some glaring issues that I can't see because I've read it too many times.

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That was me. You can change it back if you really want, but I think it's better there. My reasoning is that 1) Images are in general the first thing on the right, 2) So you don't have to scroll down to the first pic, 3) If someone has the TOC hidden then the pic interferes with the next paragraph,

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I don't see a problem with it. I have remove alot of duplicate links back when I wikified it according to the MoS a couple weeks ago. But in some places the first mention is like twenty parapgraphs away from from the first link so if someone was jumping down via the table of contents they would miss

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This is just a minor issue... I know Knowledge guidelines say that we should only link a word to an article the first time the word appears. In an article this long, though, I have absolutely no problem linking a word a second time if it reappears some distance from original link. I've seen that a

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Civil War had on Indiana, in terms of demands on industry, agriculture, development, etc. I've read that nearly 200,000 hoosiers served in the War, which means they were gone from their homes, farms, jobs, etc. Nearly 25,000 never returned. That's probably the pivotal point that needs to be made.

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The text says " Virginia governed the region as territory until it relinquished its control of the area to the U.S. government in 1784." Hmmm... what's the extent of 'region'? The Vincennes Tract in Indiana was never any kind of political entity. Indiana was originally part of the French Province

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is skillfully written, shows no bias, is accurate factually, has verifiable sources, and has innumerous images that assist the article greatly. To improve this article to FA status, I suggest that the tasks in the To-Do List Infobox above, more information regarding modern-day Indiana and infoboxes

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The text in second paragraph of the lead says "The Indiana Territory grew in population and development until it was admitted to the Union in 1816 as Indiana,...". NO, it wasn't, or Indiana today would include all of Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and part of Minnesota. We can't compress things so

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We don't say anything about early settlement, acquisition of Indian land by Treaty and concommitant Indian Removals prior to 1830. Where did settlers come from, where did they go (i.e. earliest settlements and towns), and how did they get there? Which places grew fastest? It's worth a paragraph or

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of Indiana. We give due recognition to Native Americans and prehistoric peoples. Because prehistoric peoples were very nomadic, and we have no written history only the archaeologic record, their history is best dealt with in an article focusing on archaeological evidence, and encompassing larger

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The info before was correct, just concise. There are two organizations, you may be confusing them. The Indiana regiments that were part of the federal army from the Civil War were changed to the Indiana National Guard, later on. That same organization, as the national guard, was sent abroad in WW1,

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The Civil War section seems mostly to repeat the story of Morgan's Raid, which has it's own article. While that is an important story that belongs here, I think it could be better summarized, and the details left to the article about the raid. What that section could use more of is the impact the

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For the record, there were four vectors here: northerly up the Wabash via the Ohio River and Vincennes; westerly from southeastern Ohio via Gen. Wayne's western forts and settlements; northwesterly from points east via Cincinnati and the Whitewater and White River Valleys; and northerly across the

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That said, if something is inaccurate, go ahead and fix it, but check the original source - if the source supports the statement, you need to tread carefully, and have multiple scholarly corroborating sources to override. If a statement is unsourced, it may still be accurate, but you have greater

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First off, I would like to say, I scoured the internet trying to find information-- particularly on archaeological sites-- and was only able to find a single article: cardinalscholar.bsu.edu/bitstream/123456789/194939/1/RoI61.pdf (it should come right up if you paste this into google.) It's mainly

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The interurban was considerably more important than this article would suggest. Fort Wayne had the only full cloverleaf in the entire United States. Indiana Service Corporation was broken up into two parts, one of which became City light in Fort Wayne, and the other part developed into Fort Wayne

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I agree with SJA. We have too many problems with this to let this particular article set a precedent -- I presume everyone has seen the edit summary that says "The Gregorian calendar/dating system has been the worldwide standard for almost 500 years. Any other changes are a direct assault on that

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Railways were part of the original plan, but the first one was only finished in 1847. The state appropriated $ 10 million in 1836 for canals and railroads, and the first canal opened in 1836, the Whitewater Canal. the plan was a disaster as the legislature required that work would begin on all

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The text says: "After the treaty was signed, the powerful Miami nation considered themselves allies of the United States." Hmmmm... after Fallen Timbers, they weren't all that mighty: we built a fort right in their capital city. Does it matter what they considered themselves, or what they did?

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South Shore was not an interurban, but a railroad. A railroad puts an engine in front of dependent cars, while each interurban car was motorized. The South Shore not only was a railroad, but it was double-tracked and heavily built. The New York, Chicago and St. Louis (better known as the Nickel

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If you truly have no preference, then why not leave it BC/AD? I have a preference, and when I edited this page, made sure it conformed to wiki standards on the date format, and still got shot down. At first it was that I didn’t edit the format correctly, then when I did, the reason was given that

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Exactly, the article is so lengthy I didn't want to use to systems. If you note the above conversation between myself and Mingusboodle (we are the primary editors of this article) we agreed to go with CE\BCE, not for any reason other than to maintain uniformity, two editors using different styles

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Definitely both are acceptable in an article like this, and guidelines are that the article should stay with the original system and be consistent. Problems arise when, for instance, you have an article on something to do with ancient history, an Old Testament related article, etc that starts off

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I've went through what the peer reviews suggested. I have converted all the references to citeweb and citebook to standardize their format. I also expanded referencing in the sections with only a few - I tried to get each paragraph to contain at least one footnote. I don't think an article can be

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Do you think this article would pass the FA review? My concerns are the reference formatting; im not sure how to the fancier stuff I see on some other articles like meta:cite. I am also not sure about the "Stable" requirement since it is relatively new. But otherwise i think it would pass. Do you

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I agree adding that would be good. I added most of the civil war section, marogan's raid and a few other things are all I am familair with. I know alot of what indiana regiments where in what battles and who and where they died and in what numbers, etc, imight be able to come up with something on

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There's no information here or anywhere presented systematically about the administrative evolution of Indiana by counties. At statehood in 1816, the northern boundary of Indiana was no more than 50 miles from the Ohio River, which was the boundary between Whiteman's lands and Indian lands, even

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The text says "Fort Miami at Kekionga was occupied by the United States, who rebuilt it as Fort Wayne." No, they didn't. The old Fort Miamis was burned to the ground by the Indians some time after it was abandoned in 1763. Fort Wayne was built in a different location after the Battle of Fallen

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Those fat lead paragraphs are a bit daunting. Most GA and FA articles have 5 paragraphs for the lead, and 4-6 just seems about right for comprehensive articles. The existing 3 paragraphs could be split into 6 modest ones for readability. For a history article on the United States, I'd divide a

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I am fine with your edit. The source for the statement is Handbook of Indiana History by Arville Funk. That book is nearly 70 years old, and I have found in the past it was not always accurate. In re-reading the source, I suspect the author was trying to say the closest road was sixty miles from

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Not only does this claim lack a reference, but it's also just patently false. Mooresville was incorporated ion 1824 and is less than 20 miles from Indy. Waverly, the site of the Whetzel settlement had been permanently settled since 1818, also less than 20 miles away. William Conner built his two

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under the caption for the picture. However, it should be noted that it was originally a World War ONE memorial. Pershing laid the cornerstone in 1927, long before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Today it serves as a memorial to both World Wars, but we might want to reconsider the placement of the

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The text says "State founders initiated an internal improvement program that led to the construction of roads, canals, railroads," Hmmm... canals didn't get started until about 1847(?), and railroads didn't arrive in Indiana nearly 1950, I think. The MIIP was busted by 1841, and the first RR's

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Well the FAC review failed. Oh well. I was able to address all the referencing, sourcing and MOS issues . Pretty much the only thing I don't think I was able to address was the prose issues. I have made several attempts to copy edit the article and to me it reads fairly well now. There was also

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And it has a very similar layout, thats interesting. I can try to copy the way their references are formatted, but on retrieved dates for sites, and properly format the book references like they have them and ad ISBN numbers. I think that will get it to what we need for FA. Thanks Mingusboodle.

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to show how unstructured Indian land was divided into counties and counties were divided into smaller counties. Indian land divisions were by Treaty (Indian Removal Acts and purchases). County divisions were administrative according to Indiana law: whenever an area exceeded population 3000 (I

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Listing the cities by date of founding is rather almanac-like, and not so useful as trivia. What I might want from this is a section describing early settlement: where they came from and where they went. There were four threads: from Kentucky north across the Ohio River at Falls of the Ohio,

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I'm not claiming my list as definitive, just better. Thanks for you contributions - Ive added then to the list. Any yes, there were more along the Ohio, some without names initially. Feel free to edit my list yourself - it's a sandbox pending addition to the article, when editors agree we're

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The text says, "Indiana Territory initially comprised most of the present-day state Indiana, all of the present-day states of Illinois and Wisconsin, parts of present-day Michigan and Minnesota, and a narrow strip of land in present-day Ohio." NO! The western boundary of Ohio was set by the

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Anyway, secondly, as for the tribes who lived in the state as of the year 1600, I am highly positive that there were two peoples I could identify-- the Miami & Mascouten. I now know the history is a little more confusing on that subject, but I did find a reference from a Canadian tribe of

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Most of these "unglamorous" places were founded considerably earlier than lists of touristy places collected from the web. I might update the list is I come across other obscure settlements. We might also remember, that nearby Louisville (1779), Cincinnati (Fort Washington, 1789), and Fort

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Ohio River from Kentucky via Falls of the Ohio. There were also later settlements along the shores of the Great Lakes. So we have a settlement pattern of perimeter inward. Later, when the National Road reached Indianapolis and beyond, the state grew center outward around the capital.

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I've kept my eyes open for a good image to use, and nothing has really caught my attention. We could just move one of the pictures from the article, especially from one of the sections that seem to have more pictures than needed. Another option- maybe not a good one- is to put the

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I personally don't care what system we use, I think both are acceptable. I just used the CE\BCE when I wrote most of the article, and have tried to use that so it stays uniform while I edit. An IP changed it to AD\BC, but apparently didn't get all the dates, so I just reverted. :)

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Your right! After reading it SOO many times you start to completely over look things. I still think is close to FA status and hopefully in a few months it can be submitted for a new review. And you should take credit too! You wrote a large part of the article yourself. :)

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6 forts in Indiana; unlike other states, Indiana has only a handful of forts (8), and most people only know half of them: Benjamin Harrison (1906), Ouiatenon (1717), Wayne (1794), Miamis (1742), Vincennes (1732 and later renditions), Harrison (1811), Finney (1786), Clark

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Yeah; it wasn't exactly civilization, but it wasn't 60 miles from the nearest settlement either. I went ahead and removed that sentence. I tracked down when that statement first appeared in the article. The bulk of this article was composed over the course of 2008 by

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It occurs to me that mention of this could/should be made in quite a few articles, and they should link to wherever the main text is inserted. It's really most part of history of Dearborn County, Indiana. But someone looking for it might look in a number of places:

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A friend of mine who is passed away,his grandmother had a library full of old books,and i was browsing in there one day and found a book THE INDIANS OF MEROM:published in the 1700,s i would love to find it and share it. If anyone can stear me in the right direction?

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Hello, I have been largely researching and going through many of the pages & links regarding Native American history in the United States state by state. I would like to address incorrect info on the Indiana History page, but have had my pages deleted twice.

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OK so I wrote - colonial period, indiana terrotiry, statehood, and civil war.. I don't know very much about modern indiana though.. lol But I have a good historical background now to build on. I will do some more research and work on it more, need some pictures

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I'll go through this section by section to copyedit and try to tighten up the prose. This reads heavy on the political, military, and economic history, so I'll suggest what might be added to improve it on social-cultural aspects of state history as I go along.

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exists with a column 'Origin' giving the predecessor county or other land area. But that's almanac-like, isn't complete or entirely accurate, and doesn't give a picture of settlement and fill-in of the state. We need pictures and maybe something like a

3005:. A link to the main text should be added to the disambiguation page for 'Gore', and possibly a redirect page for 'The Gore (Indiana)' created. Right now, I don't see the information anywhere, and a search of the term doesn't find anything relevant. 75:

After Clark's further repulse of the British forces in Fort Detroit the whole of Indiana was secured for the United States in 1783. Clark received large swaths of land in southern Indiana for his services in the war and today Clark County is named for

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James H. Madison - 2014 states: "Navigating the shallow White River proved impractical: only one steamboat got as far north as Indianapolis (in 1831), and it got stuck on a sandbar. The town's poor river access was a serious disappointment..." etc

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There were two counties formed in 1790 as part of the Northwest Territory: Knox and Clark. The rest were formed between 1800 and 1844 in Indiana Territory and state filling in the land area border to border, and one county was divided in 1856.

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I would like to suggest that we keep the BC/AD format due to ongoing debate of the controversial BCE/CE format. No consensus has yet been reached and I believe that we should stick to the more popular and most accepted format until the debate is

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The text says "The city founders assumed the White River would serve as a major transportation artery; however, the waterway was too sandy for navigation." Of all the things omitted from this article worth writing about, why this? Are we

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I am thinking about giving this article another go FA status. I've worked through it to increase the sourcing as much as I can with my own resources, but I think that, and prose, will be the primary issues. Any help would be appreciated!

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3. Even at Statehood, there were only 15 named populated places in the state (see Oldest cities in Indiana above); we could cover each one or events in its region, separately (some of them nothing much happened for the first 20 years or

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which included a strip known locally as the "12-Mile Purchase" whose boundary was 12 miles to the west of the treaty line. Between 1811 and 1818, all or most of 8 modern counties of the state of Indiana were carved from "The Gore":

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I concur with the reversion of your changes. Sourcing is one issue, composition and phraseology is another. But the biggest issue I think is proportionality. This article on history is primarily about recorded history of the

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Hmm... I didn't even know about the Reno Gang. Nice addition! Given how long this article is already, though, we could probably summarize their story to a sentence or two, and let the article on the gang fill in the details.

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The only reason I'm not fixing it myself is because I don't have any references (these are all just things I've picked up over the years, being a resident) and I didn't want to just delete a big chunk without an explanation.

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A sixty mile radius around Indianapolis would mean that there were no settlements from Bedford to Richmond to Terre Haute to Peru. That's just an insane claim to make and I can't believe no one has brought it up until now.

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8. there's not much technological history here: when did we get the first commercial railroad (not 1838; more like 1847 at the earliest), steamboats, telegraph, telephone, gas lighting, electric lighting, paved roads &

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We elide this in the text, which just says "As the northern tribal lands gradually opened to white settlement, Indiana's population rapidly increased and the center of population shifted continually northward". Humdrum...

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Public Transit Corporation, City Light was mismanaged, and the physical plant allowed to deteriorate until the Ivan Lebamoff administration leased City Light to I&M Electric, in a deal that actually amounted to a sale.

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I'm ok with moving to the WW1 section. I placed there because I was thinking of it in the context of a general "War" memorial, rather than a specific war, but you are correct, it was WW1 oringaly. I will try to word that

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sounds like it started just post-statehood in 1816. A lot happened in that skipped 20 years, like settlement and Indian removal. That's cognitive dissonance, and ought to be filled in even if it's only a sentence.

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Apparently there is consensus that if it starts BCE/CE or BC/AD, then it stays that way. This one started BCE/CE, hence there is no reason to change it other than the "I don't like it" axiom, which is against policy.

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In fact, Waverly, Conner's settlement and the confluence of the Fall Creek and White River were all finalists for the site of the new state Capitol. Fall Creek/White River (Indy) beat out Waverly by a single vote.

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I see that one of the things you're concerned about is length. Something we can do is edit down certain topics and rely on links to other articles to provide more specifics. For example, there's an article on

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regions like the midwestern United States, or United States east of the Mississippi. In that sense, the prehistoric history of Indiana is little different than the prehistoric history of Ohio, or of Michigan.

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There aren't a lot of good reasons to link years. Guidelines say "Make links only where they are relevant to the context". Which means some years might be relevant, others not. Are any of them relevant?

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The text blithly asserts, "Indianapolis was selected to be the site of the new state capital in 1820 because of its central position within the state." They couldn't have selected a place or town named

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Does it count if we put it just below the intro? One thing I can't stand is a long TOC with nothing else around it. We could align an image to the right of the TOC to visually balance that part of the

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Ok! We have done a great job improving this artcile. Offhand, I don't know much more than is already added, so I am going to move on to something new, i will ad more as i discover it. Thanks Mingusboodle

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though Indiana Territory/Indiana State was nominally under U.S. sovereignty. There are 92 counties in Indiana; the effort would be tedious, and are we going to do that for all 50 states? An article

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They maintained trading and friendly relations with Great Britain. When they (and others) beseiged Forts Harrison and Wayne in 1812, they certainly weren't allies. This statement needs reworked.

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What would be a good image for the first paragraph? I am trying to think of something that is definitively Hoosier, but nothing is really coming to mind. FA criteria says we need a image there.

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There's currently a tag to sort this page as "Indiana, The History of". This seems unusual, but there's something to be said for sorting it under "Indiana" rather than "History". Comments?

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I see. It was originally BCE/CE, but someone had changed it to BC/AD before you got to it. Given that, I'll change it to BCE, so there will at least be consistency between the articles.

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One other thing, i said Indian and Indians alot.. lol I should probably say native american or whatever is PC. So anyone who wants can fix that to however they feel is apropriate. I just

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I like the shortening the civil war section idea. I think it probably has most room to have things taken out, especially since it has it's own articles. I will try work on that today.

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Ok; I know about the White River (and Whitewater River - not navigable because of rapids), I lived in Indiana. The statement is history buff trivia, but I'll leave it; it's sourced.

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You don't "leave it the way you found it" if you've got inconsistent usage. SJA has now fixed that, although some years are linked and some are not, which doesn't make sense to me.

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The Indiana National Guard was federalized during the War; many units were sent to Europe. To replace the absent troops, a new militia called the Liberty Guard was formed in 1910.

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CE\BCE and along comes an editor, usually anonymous, and changes it without explanation (and usually as that editor's only change, or they change a group of articles). By the way,

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for Indiana's contributions and losses during the American Civil War and both World Wars, should be completed. With a little time and effort, this article should become a FA.

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before that, explained guidelines to him on his talk page). Rob cites personal reasons for wanting this change and that's simply not the way we work or at least should work.

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I'll add a few words here. This sort of thing used to be a huge problem. It was an edit war from hell that raged across the whole project and was cited by the founders of

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certain we know what they assumed? And if that really mattered, they would've moved the site, but they didn't. I think I'm going to delete the speculative factoid.

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I can't believe I didn't have this article on my watch list. As for the tag, I prefer BC/AD, but since the relevant history of Indiana is post-1600, save for

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think it would be against the rules to put it by the TOC because it would still be in the opening section. I am by no means an expert on wiki rules though.

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much we make them false. Indiana Territory was subdivided in 1805 and again in 1809, and the remainder of Indiana Territory became the state in 1816.

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The authors discussion of the KKK lists reference 168 . The author should list a history text or a viable text. Ref 168 is not an academic source .

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This GA article is of modest length for a GA article, and much shorter than most Featured Articles. There are some significant items not covered.

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We're abiding by the principle that it stays with what it started with, which is BCE/CE. I don't much care for that, but it's the policy for now.

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I changed the era usage to just the first section, it's only needed for the era change during the Hopewells, really. I also delinking the dates.

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I researched a little bit and added my findings into teh civil war section. I sperated off morgans raid to be a subsection of the civil war.

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Fixed. Just say we built Fort Wayne. Exactly what happened to old Fort Miamis is historically a little fuzzy, and we don't need to say.

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When Ohio attained statehood in March, 1803, "The Gore" became one of the last remnants of the Northwest Territory, and was attached to

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Why was the militia called up in 1910 when WWI didn't start until 1914, and the U.S. didn't get involved until after the 1916 election?

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When stating dates on wikipedia is AD (Anno Domini) or CE (Common Era) preferred? Also is BC or BCE preferred for early period dates?

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was the featured article for 11 May 2008. I looked it over to see how it compared. It was at least as long as this article.

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OMG! That's the best idea I ever heard. Perhaps we could spread it wiki-wide. Maybe, "Anno Wikius" - "Year of the Wiki".

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to the administrators as edit warring, which will bring down the wrath of the wiki-gods. (Can't say I didn't warn ya) :)

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at the top. It would help identify the article as being about Indiana, and it represents the pioneer history of Indiana.

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didn't start until about that time, so I wouldn't say those things resulted directly from it; they grew in spite of it.

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From what I can tell, there's no formal policy. Either is fine. If you want to see people whine about it, look at the

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Thanks for getting it started! I'm not very good with writing prose, but I'm very willing to help write this article.

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And ask him how linking 300 CE is any more relevant than linking 8000 BCE, since they are both round-number estimates.

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which would become a critical corridor for settlement of Indiana Territory. It was initially attached to the existing

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I cut it down a bit and added it into the previous section. Feel free to fix it up better if you can think of a way!

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My suggestion is that we step back for a time and return to this article when it's no so ingrained into out brains.

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Me too I have a good source. Arville Funk has a book with a whole chapter on them. Sketchbook of Indiana History.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I'll work on it too. There is far too much coverage of floods. (they are well covered in their own articles).

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Clark never made it to Detroit. Everytime he tried, something went wrong. What does this paragraph refer to?

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think we should work on it some more or try the FA review? I am going to submit for a peer review for now.

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I was refering to the repusle of the forces sent FROM fort detriot. I will make that more clear-cool10191

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That's not a bad idea. We'll consult our lawyer. And if he advises us to do it, we'll get a new lawyer.

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Is this a worthy addition to the article, or too book-like? It's be a significantly large section.

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for 1100CE, and that established the useage by Knowledge guidelines, so I'm reverting back to that.

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accurate and complete. We only need 10-12 names reasonably, so maybe the list needs cut already.

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Timbers, in Sept.-Oct. 1794. My gosh, my gosh, I better read the rest of this article carefully.

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Indianapolis. The team moving the capital had to literally cut the road as they traveled. Thanks —

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9. In the 1920's, Indiana made a lot of cars; in fact, Connersville was called "Little Detroit".

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and Indian lands in northwestern Ohio and eastern Indiana. The northwestern corner was set at

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OMG! This is the history for the great state of Indiana.. Well I must do something about this.

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think), that area was divided into a new county, with borders often set rather haphazardly.

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and 4) I like pics to be at the top of a section rather than the bottom of the one above it.

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Great to see how all of you respond to a sincere request. What a great community this is. --

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few times in this article, and I don't have a problem with it at all. Does anyone else?

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More like Seymour, really. I've thought about improving their article for a long time.--

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I believe Tecumseh was a Pontiac, (not the car) i will look into it. -cool10191

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parts of the all the projects simultaneously, and very few were finished.

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I only used them on the early history for the Hopewells and Mississippians.

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too. First train robbery in the USA, maybe the world, happened near Salem.

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story brick house in 1823 also about 20 miles from the new Capitol.

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Mammoth Internal Improvement Program built canals and railroads?

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Could somebody please check this, under "Transportation".

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