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Finland, started to feel a need for a separate different foreign policy vis a vis Russia. Hence within 10 years Finalnd as a geopolitical entity and nation was formed. The name must be specific and established: "Isoviha" ie. "Great Wrath" It is neutral and holds no bias of any sort. Russians and Finns know how things are. No need to make them pretty.
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by Kustaa H.J. Vilkuna which describes in detail the
Russian occupying policy in Finland and all the effects of their behavings toward Finnish civilian people during their occupation period, based to detailed eye witness reports by local Lutherian priests written down to the church books. Sad reading
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I have some information from the book i used already as a source for the article with regards to
Swedish & Russian operations and clashes before 1710 in addition to the those which took place during the Greater Wrath. Should that information be inserted here or placed into some other article, if
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Hello, the title "Finöland during the Great
Northern War" is artificial and descriptive. It is not the established title in English for the period. It is not neutral, but very much influenced by a Russian bias. Trying to white wash the attrocities that come across also in the name of the period in
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The importance of this "time period" is in formation of separate security interests for eastern and western parts of Sweden. The experience of extreme and deliberate brutality under the occupation was not shared, nor understood in western side of Gulf of
Bothnia. Result was that Swedes on eastern
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Finnish history. Finnish history must be written correctly by honouring fact also in
English. Therefore the change is mandatoryu if wikipedia is to remain a credible encyclopedic journal, and not a propagandist revisionist Russian tool. Sorry to say this bluntly. That is the case.
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Main issue with this that the article would then be handling mainly Sweden (primarily its eastern part
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No one seems to actually call this "Great Hate" or whatever in
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The better transliteration in English is "The Great Hate". There is a new book published in Finnish language "Viha" (The Hate) 623 pp
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it should go to another article could some suggestions be offered as to which one?
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