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Your claim the confederacy ended on May 9,1865 excluding the battle of palmetto in Texas and the continuous slavery in Texas and elsewhere until June 19, 1865. Also, a
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Confederate States Never Surrendered, we should go by the end date of the last Confederate generals surrender. That would be June 23, 1865. That is why the south will rise again myth was shouted by Southerners for over 100 years. The claim from the South never Surrendered and would fight the
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